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Knu
7:13 AM
just wanted to say that when i join a chat "null" word is written in the send input
dunno if it's a bug or something
im using maxthon 2 (ie8) XP
 
 
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Knu
9:51 AM
am i the only one getting the null bug?
 
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@knu - which null bug?
 
Knu
well
when i join a chat
the word "null" is written in the input
(where you type your text)
 
really? what browser are you using?
 
Knu
can't you see the history on the chat? i gave it already
maxthon 2 (ie8)
im not the only one :)
 
sorry, I missed it. And is that on windows?
 
Knu
9:57 AM
XP
no big deal
but it doesn't look professional :)
 
Why does the main window only show us all time highs for users and posts, not anything interesting like how many people are active right now?
Yes, there is a list of gravatars, but I don't really want to bother counting them, and obviously the list is disfunctional if there's 300 users in a room
 
@Joren Click through to the info link should get you that info
 
@Knu ok; we'll take a look at that
 
@Yi: It does? I don't see it
 
Knu
marc your reputation is unreal
 
10:05 AM
All I see is another list and some numbers that I can't make sense of :P
"441 today" ... 441 what? Messages, users? Kilobytes of data?
I'm guessing messages
But can't be sure
 
actually, that data is available on the "mini card", but you are correct - it isn't obvious; we'll improve it ;p
 
@Marc - has link parsing for previews been considered, for lines containing something other than the links, or too expensive?
 
if you hover it tells you what the numbers are
 
It does for the 'all time users' and 'all time messages' things
 

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10:07 AM
@MarcGravell Either autocomplete is lagging, or it takes more than 5 chars to disambiguate your name from the other 200 in the Tavern
 
but not for the other data on the info page
 
current users: 271, but we'll make that more readily available
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@YiJiang no, should be 3
 
@MarcGravell Four. Hmm... must be the lag, then
 
auto-complete works locally... shouldn't be any lag except CPU
 
I don't see any problems with the autocompletion
 
10:10 AM
@MarcGravell Do you want to remind the people there to keep the conversation clean? It's getting a little rowdy
 
@MarcGravell - yay/nay on the not-only-a-link previews? I assume it wasn't done with a reason, just curious
@MarcGravell - also, that wasn't linkified in the notification bar :)
 
yes, I noticed - ta
what did you envisage re link previews?
just so we're on the same page...
 
say if I have a preview of a random question like this:
@User - there's an excellent question on it here: stackoverflow.com/questions/3995651/…
then that would appear just as is, with a preview underneath as the very next message
not sure if it's too expensive on the parsing though, since regex isn't cheap
 
@NickCraver Haven't you seen the MiniMarkdown regexes? :P
 
At the moment you'd need to paste separately:
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10:15 AM
right, I'm asking if the other could be supported, as @reply: link is very common
 
@MarcGravell But if I do that the second message usually get rate limited away
 
@MarcGravell, took me a while to notice your last broadcast, my eyes were at the bottom of the screen... wonder whether it needs a <marquee> or something :)
 
@Marc: What is the meaning of the black outline/white fill star on your post in the 'starred' list, as opposed to the fully black stars the other posts have?
 
it is pinned
 
@Joren Those are pinned. They stay on top of all other starred messages
 
10:18 AM
@NickCraver Yeah, and I always get retry on those
 
@YiJiang, @Benjol - another good point with the work-around, I get limited as well
 
I see
 
@MarcGravell - just a heads up, the eastern seaboard's about to wake up - might want to decide if you want that banner left up or not ;)
 
yeah, I'm thinking rip it down.
 
I'm thinking the 'everyone in The Tavern by default' may have been a mistake for SO :)
 
10:30 AM
there's enough traffic for now ;p
I'm going to take out the referer-redirect ;p
 
@Benjol: I agree
 
@Benjol They wanted to stress test the system :P
 
links with parentheses aren't being linked correctly
 
@stagas Known defect, [status-bydesign] I think
 
@YiJiang Yeah, but they're stress testing me too! :)
 
10:38 AM
The numbers are dropping again
 
Isn't there any hyperlink on a chat window to the main chat overview?
 
@MarcGravell, just out of interest - is the simple change of sending directly to a specific chat room making all this difference to the number of people chatting, or did you do something else?
 
Oh, the all rooms link
It was hidden by that gigantic notification about civility
 
there was a site banner on SO
 
@MarcGravell. Aaarrhh, I see. (I missed that - too much chatting ;))
 
10:43 AM
Yeah, I followed that banner. I knew about the chat rooms from before, but the last time I checked the most recent posts were all at least an hour old
 
the auto-join is now toast
 
@MarcGravell phew
Wonder how long it'll take for activity to return to normal level
 
it alread dropped from 250 people in the tavern to 150
 
@YiJiang, I'd be fascinated to find out what the 'equilibrium' number of people in a room is - enough for a conversation, not enough for multiple overlapping conversations..
 
@Benjol Given that 70% of the people "in" the SO Tavern right now isn't speaking, I'd say 130 :P
 
10:49 AM
@YiJiang, yeah, but c# is like 4 parallel conversations, with a load of users who haven't worked out explicit replies yet ... ugh!
 
Scratch that, there are 8 people actively participating right now That means 90% + isn't speaking
 
When I click a user in the chat, it should give me there profile on the right
instead of a popup
thaaaanks.
 
@Krisc can you elaborate?
 
Sure - if I click your username, a popup with a brief overview of how I can interact with you shows up over the chat. This blocks my view of the chat. It would be nice if that popup was moved (or embedded) to the right side of the screen above or below the stats widget.
 
> This blocks my view of the chat.
well, you're reading it, aren't you?
 
10:52 AM
Because I closed the window...
 
reading the popup, I mean
 
Yes...
My point is simply that there could be a better use of that highlighted space, and one suggestion would be to move the user interaction there and build it out a bit more.
 
@Krisc You're screen is of above-average size. Mine is always filled
 
/agree
 
@DanGrossman With who? :P
 
10:59 AM
you
 
I suppose so. I am running 1920x1200
 
that's an odd size
where did you find a 16:10 monitor, everything is 16:9 now
 
it is a 16:10
Dell 2405WFP on the left, Dell 2408WFP on the right
I believe the U2410 is 16:10 as well
 
11:41 AM
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@MarcGravell How did this happen?
 
sorry - what is the specific question there?
 
@MarcGravell I was testing out my clipboard thingy
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Came out
 
and you expected....?
 
@MarcGravell Well I'm not sure. I just thought it's broken or something
 
I'm really not clear on what the problem is we're talking about....
 
11:44 AM
@MarcGravell The onebox. It's clearly broken, right?
 
why?
define "broken"...
 
Okay, wait a second, let me see if I can get the correct behavior
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Quoting a questions onebox should give me this ^, right
 
agreed
ah, I think I know what you mean;
simply, we changed some of the css styles ages ago - we didn't feel the need to re-render everything
so that applies to things that were oneboxed way back in beta
 
Why does the chat prompt me for confirmation if I say I want to leave a chatroom?
It's trivial and painless to undo
So no prompt is needed imo
 
Actually, if your browser supports localstorage, it doesn't.
Or - just take the text out of the textbox
it assumes you started saying something etc - doesn't want to lose your data
 
11:57 AM
Er
 
btw, a quick way to cancel an unsent message is to press [Esc]
 
I mean when I'm not actually in the chat room, but still considered to be in it
In the sense that I do not have a window open for the chat room
 
oh, I thought you meant the closing-the-browser prompt
 
But on the right it shows them at 'other rooms you're in'
Yeah, sorry, should've made it clear
 
right; I see what you mean. It is easier to leave the current room than it is to leave them.... will ponder
 
11:59 AM
Yeah
I mean, if I clicked the leave arrow on purpose, then a prompt is just annoying. If I did it by accident, I can just rejoin the room.
 
12:16 PM
The hamster fell off the wheel!
 
12:45 PM
@Joren well, you'd have to go back to the all rooms menu to rejoin it, because if you leave, it drops out of your 'other rooms' list.
 
We bought a new hamster. Sorry, the pet shop was a while away.
 
@MarcGravell Hmmm... I'm not seeing any starred posts on the sidebar on all rooms. Is that expected?
 
tell all :)
 
yes. That is the hasty workaround.
 
@YiJiang, maybe that's the hasty workaround
 
12:49 PM
hmmmm
 
/blame @rchern
 
@YiJiang, you seeing the ids getting added?
 
@Benjol You could have an 'undo leave' button linger for five seconds or something if you really want to save the user that trouble
 
just thought I'd get that in there first...
 
hey ):
 
12:50 PM
@rchern The userscript is still working, yes
 
not for me wth
 
@Marc, lost my beep settings too apparently? someone say something. OK, no, it's ok.
 
script is listed with the dev tools and no js errors
@Benjol, something.
 
@Nick - ever have one of "those" days?
 
hehe, what happened?
 
12:51 PM
@rchern I've encountered silent errors in js before. Drove me mad trying to debug them
 
interesting, script isn't loading on any of the chat servers. i just woke up, haven't touched a thing
 
A regex went absolutely crazy and maxed out 2 servers.
A regex folks. No, seriously.
 
ooo, reminds me of when that brought hotmail down
 
which script?
 
@MarcGravell You mean you can actually get a infinite loop in regex?
 
12:53 PM
Theoretically, no
 
theory doesn't count for much, in my experience ;p
 
Tell me it wasn't the easter egg one ;)
 
Finite state machine and such
But with the extensions to regex we have nowadays
 
@MarcGravell my userscript that makes chat epic beyond epic for me (;
 
hotmail did a greedy x search for 3 x in a row, so someone sent messages with hundreds of thousands of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lines, crippled hotmail until they fixed it.
 
12:54 PM
Of course, it could just take a really really long time ;p
 
I mean, who knows what you can do with horrible lookbehind constructs
And sure, you can just build a regex from hell that's equivalent to a FSM with a billion states
 
@rchern - we ripped out the stars on the right; would that break your script?
 
oo where are the stars?
or...was the regex in there?
 
@MarcGravell Shouldn't. There's nothing in there that does that needs those
Although maybe @rchern made some modifications which I don't have
 
no modifications, i've been sleeping!
 
12:56 PM
yes, that was the culprit
 
to clarify, he means the stars, not my sleeping... (;
 
@rchern You're sleep disturbed the force driving the chat servers...
 
@YiJiang, the load event inside with_plugin isn't firing
 
sleep? people still do that?
 
I used to work in a server room... so cold that you can't help but sleep :/
 
12:58 PM
@NickCraver only the weak one.
 
@rchern Hmmmm... no, I still can't see why anything like that would go wrong
I did get an error about the event handler reordering bit just now, but that I think was a one-time error
 
0 console messages
 
@rchern How many console.log are you throwing at it?
 
@rchern, @YiJiang, what's not working for you? /list works for me
 
Is meta SO still getting its own chat site?
 
1:00 PM
@Benjol, the entire script is broken for me lol
 
or keeping
 
@Benjol It works for me, it doesn't work for her
 
@YiJiang, easy then, it's the smilies...
 
@FirasAssaad Should still be keeping, the MSO Tavern has more traffic than the SO one on some days actually :P
@Benjol Of course! Why didn't I think of that
 
<script src="http://stackflair.com/jquery.livequery.js"></script> is present in $("script") and if i try to view that in the browser it works fine
 
1:02 PM
@rchern Hand over those smiles right now, they're causing the script to fail
 
@YiJiang: I guess this makes MSO chat the fourth place
 
@rchern Can you check if the jQuery.fn.livequery is present?
 
so what happened to chat, it went offline for a bit
 
undefined. it isn't loading it for some reason
 
hmm
 
1:04 PM
18 mins ago, by Marc Gravell
We bought a new hamster. Sorry, the pet shop was a while away.
 
ok
 
@rchern Clear your cache
Also, tell us teh passwords!!! chat.stackexchange.com/beta-access
 
hmm, posting a big gist is ugly. shouldn't it have an expand arrow or something for those that actually want to view it?
 
@balpha Suddenly I was sent into infinite redirection loop ending up here: chat.stackexchange.com/beta-access
 
@YiJiang happened to me too
 
1:11 PM
well, don't go there
there be dragonz there
 
@balpha I'm already harassing @rchern on teh password
evil laugh
 
bah, you too again?
 
Can't I change my name here without changing it on the parent site?
 
Why not?
 
1:23 PM
Because.
 
People could still follow a link to my user profile on the parent site
 
@YiJiang: Did you make that or find it on google? :P
 
@FirasAssaad PvZ screenshot as the base image
 
Yeah I know
 
1:25 PM
@rchern Teh zobmiez dmemnad teh pazswrod!!1!
 
They look too cute to demand anything
 
well, I might have relented, but then the servers went ape. We've probably a bit busy to babysit chat.SE at the moment...
 
First it was a hamster, now it's an ape?
 
@MarcGravell Babysit is the word in the case of @YiJiang
 
the ape ate the original hamster. Hence problem.
 
1:29 PM
@MarcGravell: Where do I suggest a chat feature like the ability to have a different name on chat? Here or on MSO? Or is it just not possible/desired?
 
MSO is probably best, but unless you want [status-declined], I would really try to emphasise the why, because the sense of "identity" is part of getting decent behaviour.
"Troll1" might say anything, but "Firas Assaad", the known and loved "Firas Assaad", well, he'd behave himeself.
 
@MarcGravell: I'd prefer if I was just Firas on chat and not my full name
It's funny when people call me by my full name in non-formal settings
 
just make the window smaller... (/joke)
 
It makes sense for SO though
 
@FirasAssaad It's even funnier when people call me by half my last name around SO
 
1:32 PM
tag is [chat] on MSO, btw
 
Maybe you can click on Troll1 and it reveals his original parent site name
or I can call myself troll1 on the parent site
 
@FirasAssaad Dibs on that nickname !
 
@Chouchenos I'll use troll0 then :)
 
@FirasAssaad Damn!
 
(what have I started....)
 
1:36 PM
@MarcGravell Not as bad as 250 users stuffed into a tiny, airless chatroom all because of that shiny banner you stuck up the homepage
 
the banner was fine - it was another feature that was the problem.
 
@MarcGravell Passing from 10 to 275 users on the chat isn't fine to me. I had to left the chatroom (well, I finally worked >_>)
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2:15 PM
whew, userscript works again
breathes a sigh of relief
 
@rchern Teh zobmiez dmemnad teh pazswrod!!1!
 
@YiJiang [irsnet the zobmiez iagme!]
 
):
 
I don't have it
):
 
2:25 PM
Cool
 
2:36 PM
I don't think you can see the password even if she typed it. It just shows as stars just like on IRC
 
 
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3:54 PM
Is there any way to do something like a blockquote? The FAQ didn't mention it, so I guess not.
 
> Hello world
> Hello world
Same syntax, but the blockquote must be on it's own, nothing before that
Go play around with it in the sandbox
 
@YiJiang but come back for dinner thanks mum
 
Thanks. Now that I see it, I remember that from the main SO markdown. Guess I should've checked the SO FAQ to see what the syntax there is and played around with it. I'll do that next time. :)
The FAQ says Chat supports a 'limited subset' of the markdown syntax, and then names a few things, which implies that it doesn't support the unnamed things.
 
yeah, the ">" is kinda undocumented
note that (like the rest of the markdown stuff) it only works on single-line messages
 
That's weird. Blockquote especially is something that you'd want to work on multiline messages.
 
4:03 PM
@Joren It does. What he meant there is that blockquote must be on it's own, and you can't have anything before the >
 
this is realtime chat -- multiline messages should be the exception and actually only used for quotes
like, when you paste part of an email for everyone to enjoy or something like that
 
@YiJiang: I just tried that in the sandbox, three lines, all starting with >, no other lines in the post. Result was no blockquote. I'll try again if you say it should work ...
@balpha: Yes, why else would I use blockquote?
 
 
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Can We create Regional Rooms with their native spoking languages, Idea comes from fact (uninformative) there is lot of good or potently good programmers with minor knowledge and skils of ENglish language. SO an idea is to make here rooms to help translate or connect regional programers
 

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