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2:00 PM
that is the 3rd link that turns up on a google search
 
Yes but that doesn't make it a good link.
 
honestly did not know that
i thought the pdf is free , only ebooks and hard copies need to be paid for
 
PDF is one form that ebooks come in.
 
anybody taking MIT's "Introduction to compsci using python" ?
 
they dont auto adjust to screen.. you can change fonts in ebooks
 
2:04 PM
@prodicus No though a friend of mine took it last year and I joined it to see what it was like.
 
I was thinking of joining it. Maybe I will right now
I am just confuse on one thing
 
Wow, only one? I wish my life was that simple.
 
Yeah I'm confused by at least 3 things.
 
Can anybody suggest a Beginner Freindly IDE. I mean I used Eclipse's Addon of Python
and I was really Intimidated by the plethora of feautures
 
We have a list: sopython.com/wiki/9
 
2:06 PM
PyCharm is the best IDE but it's intimidating, probably more intimidating than Eclipse. But tis the best.
Yeah see the list :P
I need to finish that list, it's very one-sided at the moment.
 
Oh. I have installed it, but the background is just burning my eyes.
I want to change the theme but I can't find the folder %AppData%\skins\ anywhere.
Can anybody help.
 
File > Settings > Editor > Colors and File > Settings > Appearance; change both to "Darcula"
 
I've had a few firsts today. First stars, first Python bug, first fixed Python bug. It's been a good day.
 
@davidism inside the pyscripter?
 
I though we were talking about PyCharm
Given that you didn't mention pyscripter anywhere...
 
2:14 PM
my bad. Sorry
 
Moving forward with my parser work project, I now need to iterate over the abstract syntax tree and perform some transformations on it. Today I'm really taxing my memory of "things I learned in college and then never used since"
 
vts['newcol'] = lat(vts['LAT_DEGREE'])
pandas data frame. adding a new column with values calculated from current column.
The function works outside of pandas.
TypeError: cannot convert the series to <type 'int'>
 
@shantanuo please format your code properly
 
How?
 
Edit it, select it all, press Ctrl+K
Same as you would in an SO question
It'll indent it with 4 spaces.
In any case, have you used pandas before?
 
2:28 PM
It is too late to edit this message.
 
1 message moved to Trash can
Post it again then :)
(with formatting)
 
def lat(latitude):
    j = int(latitude[:2])
    dble = float(latitude[2:])
    return j + dble / 60.0
vts['newcol'] = lat(vts['LAT_DEGREE'])
 
As I said, have you used pandas before?
 
yes
 
Then why do you expect it to be able to automatically convert a Series to an integer?
You're not passing a string in as the argument, you're passing an entire Series.
 
2:33 PM
vts['newcol'] = vts['LAT_DEGREE']*2
Passing entire series. But each value is multiplied right?
 
You're not passing the entire series to a function though are you?
You've invoking the __mul__ method of a pandas Series.
 
Is there any way what I am trying to do?
 
Rather than me blindly giving you the answer I'm trying to provoke you into thinking.
 
Right - that's work done for the day - just need to wait 6-7 hours and check the results...
just emails and misc. paper work to get out the way now
 
Reminds me of the old days, which I have only heard of. Write your program, hand the punch cards to the attendant, wait 24 hours and pick up the results.
 
2:39 PM
cbg
 
I don't remember Paul McGann being in Alien 3
 
how does a python script interact with a C++ program?
 
Connections are possible both ways; Python can invoke C++ code*, and C++ can call Python functions.
(*or maybe it's just C code. I forget)
 
@corvid Cautiously lest it become unclean.
 
yeah I'm trying to make a game where the physics are handled by C++, but the actions are more python-based
 
2:55 PM
What library are you using for the physics?
 
right now I'm just trying to implement really generic verlet integration for ragdoll physics
 
I think it only works when you use extern "C" on functions.
Or you can use SWIG to make the bindings, or something.
 
If there's no python bindings already, cffi is the way to go nowadays, from what I've heard.
 
Ah, interesting! I've never heard of it.
 
user559633
CFFI is okay, yeah
 
2:59 PM
So with CFFI, you just embed the C code directly into Python files?
 
Kinda? I don't use it, I'm not sure what it's really doing.
 
user559633
Yeah, you put your C into Python and it ~~*magically*~~ generates the glue
 
Hi
 
3:10 PM
@davidism linking it like that is genius.
 
user559633
I wish SO chat had a way to hide images
 
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~*~*MAGIC*~*~
 
Was that too distracting? Sorry.
 
user559633
@Zacrath no, it's fine. I don't blame you.
 
user559633
It was amusing and I think it's more annoying that there's not a way to just collapse the post.
 
3:13 PM
Someone should make a userscript for that
 
Yeah don't worry about it, tristan has nailed it on the head.
 
Isn't @Kevin the one with the scripts?
 
user559633
@davidism Oh yeah, I'm a programmer.
 
user559633
Just...javascript and not that interesting.
 
Luckily, HTML 5 has a tag that allows you to add things to the right-click context menu
 
3:15 PM
Cool, didn't know that.
 
So just do something like every second: scan for an unmarked image. If you find any, add a context menu item with "hide this image" capabilities
 
You could probably do something event-driven instead of scanning every second, but that would require reverse-engineering the chat system, and that sounds like a lot of work!
Sigh, been trying to debug this guy's script for half an hour... Apparently str(thing).upper() is giving him a TypeError: 'dict' object is not callable???
 
O.o link?
 
Even though his stack trace indicates this is occurring on line 5, and none of the four previous lines have any dicts at all
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Q: Apply uppercase to lists not working

likewyiselist: board = [] for i in range(0,5): board_list = ["o"] * 5 board.append(board_list) print str(board).upper() Problem here how can I make it so that I can lower or upper this in Python 3.x? If I were to do the normal way without using a list or a dictionary it would be : board = ("ad...

 
3:20 PM
Maybe it's a custom class with an error in it's __str__ method.
 
I've given him an ultimatum: I can't help unless he gives me a minimally reproducing Ideone link
 
File "<stdin>", line 5, in <module> does that mean he's used it in the REPL?
God only knows what else he's done above it.
 
I considered that, although I don't think it would report "line 5" in that case
 
Line 1 contains 100 statements separated by ;
 
Hmm yeah in my REPL it gives:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: 'dict' object is not callable
 
3:23 PM
since the error occurs on the print line, which is the first statement in the "batch" after the loop, I'd expect "error on line 1"
Maybe he's using an editor's REPL with non-standard behavior.
Maybe something that accepts multiple lines of code but doesn't run anything until you hit "submit"
while still retaining values from previous submissions.
 
Yeah seems sensible
 
cbg
 
how goes it in Pythonia?
 
Rebellion!
(Just kidding there's not really rebellion, we're all happy campers here)
 
3:32 PM
On a scale 1 to 5, I give it ssssix.
 
<hefts flaming torch>
<lowers torch disappointedly>
 
Update: he's using the codecademy in-browser editor. This has a "run" button, similar to my guess from above.
 
user559633
python: it's adequate.
 
I have a quick, possibly non-python related question. Sacrilege I know, but I also know you are all good natured and knowledgeable coves
I have a spreadsheet with dates in the format '20th Aug','11th Nov' etc
I want to quickly and painlessly convert them to YYYY-MM-DD (they are all 2015)
 
user559633
soundcloud.com/kitsune-maison/… really into this mix right now -- give it 5 minutes to hook you
 
3:35 PM
Answers on a postcard
or post them here, preferably
 
datetime or dateutil
 
user559633
I was wondering why you were building us up, then I saw that it was a spreadsheet question.
 
@tristan :D
 
user559633
Why is he rubbing our shoulders...oh.
 
I'm guessing the first and second of the month are 1st and 2nd, not 1th and 2th
 
3:36 PM
@Kevin you are correct
 
Just in case someone is about to suggest starting with s.replace("th", "")
 
@tristan I can listen to that
@Kevin I'm not dead set on a python solution - if there's some Excel-fu that anyone knows of, so be it
 
user559633
@ElendilTheTall this might help you get going with XLS and python: github.com/tristanfisher/parse_xls
 
@tristan I'll give it a go, I've been working to your "I'M A CAREER TYPIST" playlist lately
 
user559633
there's regex and substr in excel.
 
user559633
3:38 PM
@Ffisegydd :) I'd probably skip 5 minutes in. The first track is what would happen if tumblr was given a recording contract.
 
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Q: How do I parse a nonstandard date format in Excel?

Craig WalkerI have a column of date-like string values in the format yyyy-mm-dd, such as 2011-Sep-13. I need to convert these to Excel date serial numbers so that I can use them in formulas. DATEVALUE isn't able to recognize this format; I just get #VALUE! when I try. It also does not take a custom date fo...

 
@tristan it's the kind of thing I'd listen to while staring out of a train window
@Ffisegydd that's very helpful, thank you
 
user559633
I'm a career typist is about to get another rename :) thinking either DOCK JAMZZZ or "I'd say this coding playlist is functional"
 
A trip to Pythonia is never wasted
 
You'll have to mix it up for your particular scheme of course
But it should get you started
 
3:40 PM
@Ffisegydd absolument, thanks
 
That'll be £1,000 in consultancy fees. Plus the £1000 fine for asking a non-Python question.
 
Linking a post: £1. Knowing which post to link: £999.
 
@Ffisegydd £2000 Syrian pounds? Bargain! I'll tell you what, call it a tenner.
 
user559633
Pound two thousand syrian pounds
 
3:42 PM
@ElendilTheTall no you misunderstood, it's pounds of weight not currency.
You can choose what you give, as long as it weighs 2000 pounds.
 
DATEVALUE returns a serial number
 
NO REFUNDS!
 
2000 pounds of atmospheric gas is being delivered to your home.
In fact... check under your chair!!!
 
Can I request 3He?
As in the helium isotope.
 
@Ffisegydd 2000lbs of Syrian pound coins should do it...
 
3:45 PM
@tristan good stuff
 
Sure, you can have 3He. (Some assembly required)
Contents of delivery: 2 moles of protons, 2 moles of electrons, one mole of neutrons, one Ikea brand hex wrench
 
I wish you could do that...3He costs about a few $1000 per litre.
2000lb would be worth about $100,000,000
 
Why can't we synthesize any element we want? It's just moving particles around. How hard could it possibly be?
 
@Ffisegydd That's 15,400,000,000 Syrian pounds!
 
We've had this discussion before IIRC.
 
3:49 PM
@Kevin you need subatomic tweezers. We only have atomic ones
 
You can synthesise 3He, you just need a nuclear reactor. The US makes about 8kg per year according to wikipedia.
 
Someone was supposed to order more subatomic ones in
is 3He deuterium?
 
I'm guessing the answer is like "using atoms to take apart atoms is like cutting a tennis ball open using only tennis balls"
 
user559633
@davidism my super long playlist or the Kitsuné link?
 
The Kitsuné mix
 
3:50 PM
It is very good.
 
One of my favorite science facts is, "we can make gold out of lead. It just happens to be radioactive gold vapor, that decomposes in a fraction of a second. Still counts, though"
 
"Base64 converts binary to text. If you want to convert text to a base64 format, you'll need to convert the text to binary using some appropriate encoding (e.g. UTF-8, UTF-16) first." How would I do this in python. I don't understand the concept of a binary string
 
@Kevin one of my favourite science facts is that one in three animals is a beetle
also, if you took every vein in your body and laid them end to end, you'd be very, very dead
 
@Kevin it's just 1 neutron, proton and electron difference - how difficult is it? :p
 
@ElendilTheTall No deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen with 2 neutrons rather than 1.
 
user559633
3:58 PM
heavy hydrogen
 
Hydrogen with 1 neutron ("normal" hydrogen) is known as protium, whilst the isotope with 3 neutrons is known as tritium (pro, deu, tri)
 
heavy water, I believe the usual term is
 
Heavy water is water using deuterium (so 2 D and 1 O), so they're different things really.
 
@Ffisegydd used in glow in the dark fings iirc, tritium
 
@ElendilTheTall indeed it is. It's also quite dangerous.
 
4:00 PM
you can buy keyrings full of it!
 
Then don't eat your keyrings.
 
don't....eat...keyrings
 
Do we not? *puts down keyrings*
 
this place is full of useful info
 
You'd need to eat a lot of keyrings to die though.
 
user559633
4:01 PM
I thought it would also do bad things to the surrounding tissue.
 
@Ffisegydd a couple a week OK?
 
@Ian like all things it's all about moderation. You can eat keyrings as long as it's part of a balanced diet.
 
reminds of the stories about how workers in watch factories, whose job it was to paint the tritium on watch faces, used to have oodles of fun painting their teeth with the stuff
 
@Ffisegydd OK, so as long as I eat my greens and have my milk in the morning I should be OK
 
while they had them, of course....
 
4:02 PM
@IanClark /me eats the keyrings
 
@Jon - yeh I realised you were a more likely candidate
But didn't want to involve and thus excite you with the shiny things
 
@Ian there's more shiny things!? Where, where where! waggles tail
 
OH CRAP!
 
not cheap, this keyring diet
I like to start the day off with a couple of yellows, then a blue for lunch
 
@ElendilTheTall No, but sooo good
 
4:04 PM
then a shake for dinner
 
Has anyone used both Genshi and Django templates?
 
oh... my stomach suddenly doesn't feel so good
 
Because I'm coming to realise that I hate DjTemplates and much much prefer Genshi
 
I'd prefer django over genshi, but jinja2 over that
but, I'd go genshi over mako
 
Well Django simultaneously prevents and allows you to do stupid things in HTML templates
Prevents: Using hardly any logic (which actually annoys me, but OK safety-police)
Allows: Because it's not XML based logic you can put conditions in places which'll result in your tags not matching
(Rant caused by having to manually fix 200+ templates)
 
4:09 PM
Massdrop is a good place to get tritium stuff: massdrop.com/vote/tritium-vials
@tristan check out TheHelix, he makes some pretty good chill/psych mixes: mixcloud.com/TheHelix/island-universe-mixed-by-helix
 
user559633
@davidism will do.
 
4:28 PM
Right, rhubarb all :)
 
rbrb for now @Ian :)
 
4:57 PM
cbg @DSM
 
cbg @DSM
 
DSM
Cabbages for you as well.
 
Ahh! Such bountiful Cabbage!
Okay... anyone pre-purchased Civ: Beyond Earth yet?
 
DSM
Today I get to try to clip geoboxes to land.
 
Strategy games give me anxiety. All those little people depending on my leadership.
 
5:02 PM
I have.
 
I'll keep you safe, soldier #15162342. Now off you go to the front lines of battle. Gandhi isn't going to defeat himself, you know.
 
@Kevin you'll feel better about your leadership abilities after you get the LOTC operational...
 
The latest report from the LOTC indicates that assistant engineer Mikhail has rigged the tea brewer to make vodka instead. "It also doubles as rocket fuel", he says. I appreciate his practical nature, but I wish he'd stick to the mission.
I don't know if anyone else likes game development blogs, but I just saw this one on Hacker News and it looks pretty good at first glance. It's got 27 pages of entries, so he certainly seems passionate.
 
DSM
Okay, Kevin "Starbait" Kevinson, you win this round.
 
Aw, he's younger than me and his projects are 100x more impressive in scope! My fragile ego!
 
DSM
5:11 PM
Has anyone done much capital-B Blending? I have a visualization I'd like to increase in dimensionality.. (while I still agree with @Ffisegydd that 0D is the best D, not all my colleagues agree.)
 
Doesn't @corvid have Blender experience?
 
@Ffisegydd just taken the beyond earth, with the complete 3, 4 and 5 pack
 
I have 4 and 5 (with addons)
 
gives me a chance to catch up on civ, then we shall DUEL TO THE DEATH, or be best friends or whatever :)
 
DSM
@Kevin: probably. He's everything I wish I could be.
 
5:12 PM
I last played Civ 2
 
They've changed a lot
Does Peter have experience with Blender? I believe he may do.
 
You can play Wales, I'll be England... then we destroy Scotland...
 
I always liked playing Spain IIRC
Or England as I love my navies.
 
my only experience with Blender is that I've seen people do amazing things with it, and I can do a slightly glass like sphere with bump mapping
"your purchase is still being processed - until then the game is unavailable to play"
take the £50 from my account immediately, and then tell me it's still being processed - wtf?
 
I've never used Blender, but the username I use most often in games has the word "blender" in it, so I think I'm pretty qualified.
@JonClements They have the money, but they still need to convert it into gold coins so they can put it in their Scrooge-McDuck-esque money vault.
 
DSM
5:21 PM
I toyed with making animations of Kuiper belt evolution in grad school but there was always something more pressing to do and I never finished it. But I may need some shiny for some new victims the firm has.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: but I like the name "hello hello" and the avatar. :-/
 
Gah, has anyone had any success with Django signal handling?
 
That just sounds unfun.
 
I went with "too broad"
as is usually the case when the post ends with "any help would be greatly appreciated" instead of an actual question
 
5:29 PM
is this '''["Even", "Odd"][number % 2]''' listed under list comprehension ? Im trying to find some documentation to read up on this in Python
 
That is not technically a list comprehension, no
 
DSM
@Fuchida: do you know what the number % 2 magic is doing?
 
@DSM yep give the modulo as a return
 
That code is effectively equivalent to x = ["Even", "Odd"]; y = number % 2; print x[y]
 
DSM
Cool, that's the only hard bit. :-)
 
5:32 PM
@Kevin what is it called ?
 
The tricky part is that it's not immediately obvious that you're allowed to use any expression you want as the index to a list
 
is it a shorthand or something like that
 
@IntrepidBrit Anything in particular?
 
list indexing
 
@Fuchida It doesn't have any name in particular
 
5:32 PM
im trying to google around for some info but idk what to put in the search box :(
 
user559633
@Fuchida it's just returning from a list by index
 
DSM
It really is just list indexing. It works exactly like ["A", "B", "C"][0] == "A", and ["A", "B", "C"][2] == "C".
 
@Kevin roger that !
 
@JonClements Can either get the post_save signal to be received twice or not at all. Driving me slightly loopy. It's one (rare) section where I find the Django documentation is lacking. I think it's down to how I'm importing my signals.py file
 
@DSM I see, im just used to thinking in terms of getting the item of a list by using its in index directly
 
5:34 PM
If I import signals.py in my init.py, then it fires twice. If I don't, then it doesn't fire
 
rather than indirectly in this manner
 
user559633
@Fuchida meh. i don't think it's a decided advantage to access lists in this fashion. this is essentially named parameters v. positional.
 
user559633
i feel like this is a case for dictionaries
 
I think I'd prefer "Even" if x % 2 == 0 else "Odd" or something similar, rather than list indexing tricks
 
Yeah
 
5:35 PM
@IntrepidBrit the stuff I aided/did on github.com/python/pythondotorg/tree/master/jobs worked fine...
 
user559633
I can't think of many cases in which you'd want to call some_list[ANY_EVEN]
 
@JonClements What version of Django is that for?
 
@IntrepidBrit 1.5.x at the time I think
 
@JonClements (I'm on 1.6.x)
 
@Kevin could even be cheeky 'odd' if x & 1 else 'even'
 
5:37 PM
@JonClements Are you importing signals.py anywhere?
 
I never liked the & trick
 
DSM
It's true that you tend to use x if cond else y if there are only two options or a dictionary if there are lots of options.
 
@tristan mm interesting
 
user559633
Is it though?
 
5:40 PM
@JonClements Right-ho. peruses
(and thanks)
 
@tristan for me and my level it is, just by learning that it's a different way is interesting to know
 
heya @LSelter
 
hi
thought i ould pop in here
 
user559633
Fun fact: you can use tuples as function dispatchers. (func_a, func_b)True will call func_b or (func_a, func_b)[ bool(call_to_some_other_function())]()
 
anyone got any experience with modgrammar?
 
5:43 PM
never heard of it
 
Not me
 
@LSelter nope - I did see your question earlier today
 
DSM
Lot of modgrammar interest lately.
 
user559633
You should litter this code throughout your repositories with the comment "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM"
 
no
 
5:43 PM
I'm aware of pyparsing, ply and parsley, but apart from that... nope
modgrammar is a new one to me
 
DSM
Or possibly not, if the previous question was also Mr Selter's.
 
What are you trying to make?
 
@LSelter is there any particular reason to use that?
 
@JonClements not particularly apart from that i have started and it seemed easiest to use.
and now ive hit wall
 
okay - well - without researching this unknown library... probably best you look at pyparsing - much more widely supported library and community
 
5:47 PM
pyparsing vs pyparse?
 
I prefer pyparseparsing.
It parses pyparse code.
 
Yes pyparsing it's quite user-friendly
 
I prefer preferring pyparse parsing.
But only at 1 level removed.
 
DSM
Paul's also on SO, and is a nice guy.
Well, e-nice, anyway.
 
@JonClements the confusing thing is, the latest version is from 2014, but the site has 2013 all over the place
 
5:49 PM
@DSM I've come across him here and on usenet - strikes me as a great guy - we even had him here in the room for a few days :)
 
@JonClements Oh hello. You're a muppet @IntrepidBrit.
 
It's being called twice because it should be called twice
facepalm
 
DSM
@Jon: we had one of those "oh, you again" periods where Paul and I kept answering the same questions.
 
It's always nice to meet the auth's of libraries - my first ever question got answered by the author of pandas
 
5:52 PM
Yeah the author of seaborn is active a lot, he's answered one of my questions and I've answered one of his :P (both on MPL)
And tcaswell is active on SO (one of the maintainers of MPL)
 
DSM
The leads of sympy and mpmath are both on SO too.
 
umm.... might not have read the T&Cs... I'd have thought buying a bundle that included Civ: Beyond Earth would allow me to to download/install the games that are already released before the release of CBE
it shows them all as "purchased"
but won't let me download them :(
 
It's really not letting you?
Contact Steam
It should do if it's a bundle.
 
It shows all the Civs and packs from 3+, and C:BE, but won't let me download C5 for instance
 
Try restarting Steam and then if that doesn't work contact them
 
5:58 PM
Okay, well I paid for the bundle so feel I should be able to download all the stuff already available... surely...!?
 
Wow, that sucks if they don't let you. What's the point of the bundle if you can't catch up before the release?
 
how is it purchase pending if you've already taken the money from my account ffs!
 
Open a ticket, something has gone awry.
 
DSM
This is why you should never buy anything. Except food, drink, and NHL streaming subscriptions.
 
so. Went to a job fair and people stopped me like "hey, you must be a computer science major". How did they know?
 
DSM
6:07 PM
Did you ask a non-CS friend for style advice before your trip?
 
Yeah, were you wearing jeans and a buttoned shirt?
That describes pretty much every CS person around me.
 
yep, jeans, wolverine boots I've owned for 3+ years, and a solid colored t-shirt. Also carrying a backpack, supposedly the say computer science majors always carry backpacks
 
Heh...yeah...jeans and a short sleeve shirt?
 
DSM
Umm.. right now I'm wearing jeans, sneakers, a patterned plaid short-sleeved shirt over a grey t-shirt..
My backpack is on the desk beside me..
 
...same...
 
6:12 PM
Same. :-/
 
at my school, they used to have a program where computer science majors could ask fashion design majors about best fashions for interviews. Specifically only computer science majors. It was pretty funny actually
 
That's amazing.
And a little depressing.
 
Okay, bank tells me it was an authorised payment at 18:09
they're waiting for steam to pick up the payment
so - something's going on at steam's end
 
DSM
See, Jon's the luckiest of us. He just has to find a sweater and everyone will say "Awww.."
 
I'm wearing a sweater now actually...
 
DSM
6:18 PM
Awww..
 
If I take off the sweater - does everyone then go "urghghghg!"?
 
DSM
Some mysteries are best left alone.
 
Anyway, bank advises to leave it a day for the other parties systems to take the payment I made, otherwise, dispute it, they'll reverse the funds
 
DSM
Okay, time for lunch. During which I'll be looking around and wondering how many people have correctly figured me for a coder.
 
@DSM is it Mexican dish Monday ?
 
6:25 PM
Non-coders can identify us using their special "second sight", which is an ability all non-coders have from birth.
You've never heard about it before because they didn't want to make you feel inadequate.
 
did SOPython get more groups?
 
@corvid yes.. but if we mention them - we'll have to kill you
 
6:41 PM
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@RoshanMehta please do not post your recent questions here. See sopython.com/pages/chatroom
 
Oopzie, New to chatroom. Will take care of it.
 
Urgh desktop won't boot.
Stripped it apart and found one of my RAM sticks has gone
Looks like a good excuse to upgrade my RAM :D
 
What, they just got up and left?
 
I know.
Not even a note!
 
How rude.
 

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