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7:00 PM
I open up their two child elements in the inspector and they're the exact same height and width
with no rogue padding, border, or margin
 
whitespace?
 
I don't think so
they are all 152 width
 
@rlemon the only issue I have is with the titles. I would like them aligned with the text. Also, if the buttons have a gradient on hover, make sure its gradient before.
 
@mikedidthis I had it that way. changed it. :/
I prefer the other way (how it is)
anyone else wanna weigh in?
@mikedidthis yea those are stock purecss.io styles for the buttons
:/
I should change those
 
Oh, and the whitespace on the top of the 2nd / 3rd item is off, compared to the 1st.
 
7:03 PM
yea first item should be larger :/
it is the focus
 
@mikedidthis it looks like (and I can test this with a piece of paper covering the things over my monitor) the 206-height element has its h3 element a little closer to the image above, but I don't have any code specifying the space between them
 
says marketing
 
I will look at the markup to make sure
 
Thats fine, but the top / bottom of the other items should be the same.
 
alrighty... just curious what IDE you all are using for HTML5/JS/CSS projects?
 
7:05 PM
Sublime, though its not an IDE.
 
@mikedidthis noted
 
i love visual studio... but it is such a pain to do more "minimal" shit
 
@mikedidthis sublime is a borderline IDE
 
@rlemon I fudged it: i.imgur.com/JoE1zpl.png Apart from that, good job.
 
you can make it an IDE with plugins
 
7:06 PM
Yeah. I can't win with Sublime. I call it an IDE, I get told its an editor. Vice versa.
 
@Bubbas Notepad++ or SharePoint Designer for SP stuff
 
I'm not doing any SP stuff
 
@mikedidthis it is borderline imo
 
well not now anyway
 
Don't ever
you'll thank me
 
7:06 PM
oh trust me
 
it is like the tranny of editors.
 
i never would if i had a say
 
Anyway I used to use DreamWeaver
 
luckily its very little of my workload
 
but that has a lot of overhead
 
7:07 PM
@rlemon I love it.
 
and it's also going to subscription-only
 
same
 
which is a GREAT way to make me not use your software
 
so..
what i really want to do
is still use Visual Studio 2013
 
lol
 
7:07 PM
Try atom.io
 
Why specifically VS?
 
i mean you cant argue VS isnt good
 
IntelliSense?
because most options have that now, including free ones
 
well other editors and IDEs have intellisense
sure
i will say i like sublime quite a bit tho
 
VS is great, so is Dreamweaver, but they are huge programs when sometimes all you wanna do is just write some code
 
7:09 PM
right
ive been using both for awhile now
i dont use 80% of DW's "features"
 
I long for the day when we have text editors that work well without just storing their data in RAM
So I can open .sql files in Word
or notepad
 
eh i use SQL MGMT studio
 
yeah that's nice too but it's also not free X-P
Used that for my SQL stuff while in school
 
I don't like VS
 
because all the computer labs were loaded with software
 
7:10 PM
not since VS2008
 
must've been at least $10,000 worth of software on each of those computers
 
new interface bothers me
 
I think we had VS2012 at the school
 
i actually enjoy the new interface more than the old
 
2010 isn't horrible. but 2012 bugs me.
2008 was just nice
 
7:11 PM
....mostly because i can make a super dark theme :P
 
yeah we had 2012
 
yea i hear ya
 
disclaimer: I work on c# winforms
in VS *
 
Anyway yeah Dreamweaver has a ton of stuff that is only useful for designers
 
so probably not what you are using it for ;)
 
7:12 PM
I think most of it is that way
because when you look in the backend at how it handles a lot of the visual stuff, it's just godawful
 
Do you guys have any suggestions on how to improve the sidebar design? 84.108.27.143/runefiles
 
@BenBeri Be able to hide it
 
@TylerH Too early for that one for now XD, besides that?
 
@BenBeri In the future you may want to look into responsive design and using percentages where possible
Because a 200px sidebar may be fine for full HD screens, but if you find someone on a tablet or an old desktop monitor of like 800x600
it's gonna be like 25% of their screen
that depends on your target audience, though
 
Any bad sides on using percent? because if not ill convert now
 
7:15 PM
if you know you're only targeting desktop users, your life becomes a LOT easier
@BenBeri Yeah, percentages are inherited, so you have to be careful when you use them
and they also have to play nicely with each other
 
@TylerH Nah Actually i planned to server-sided detect mobile users and return them a mobile-view instead of desktop view
 
so you can't have two elements next to each other that are 50% and 55%, because they'll make your window scroll
and scrolling horizontally is bad
(apparently)
@BenBeri perfect then
 
Well still, it's better than GUI designing in Java!
 
is in the JS room talking about how 'design' isn't real work
I figured someone might want to defend your job ;)
 
@rlemon i use it for asp.net development
 
7:17 PM
If you want to really flex your muscles/practice your CSS, try designing a single page to work well in mobile and desktop, using breakpoints as you get bigger
 
will have some winforms projects in the near future
 
@TylerH For mobile designs, you only use percent right?
Are there any mobile CSS frameworks to make my life easier?
 
if you want to actually learn and eventually know what youre doing... i wouldnt use them
for some reason... this site really helped my comprehension
idk if its cuz its presented in a very linear fashion or what...but it helped me
 
@Bubbas I have done that with all languages i learned, cant be bothered anymore for the project im working on lol
 
@BenBeri noooo you can use px or em or whatever you want for mobile
 
7:19 PM
its not a "reference" loop typa thing
 
just make sure it looks good on mobile :-)
 
i take it then " all languages" does not mean html?
cuz you prolly woulda learned some css too in that case ;)
 
percentages can be bad because as you get more extremly tall/short or wide/thin, they can look awful
on a mobile screen, 50% of the screen might be okay for a column of text, but on a 1920px-wide monitor, you might be thinking wth is all this space for?
and vice versa
 
@rlemon ahh you muted him!
 
so it's good to use media queries at certain break-points
 
7:21 PM
he called is ignorant
nope
 
@Bubbas Well I did html/css 2 years ago
 
fuck you. muted.
 
user2862309
@rlemon why did you do that?
 
user2862309
Pointer to a pointer is a real thing
 
@Ben Beri so what specifically are you trying to accomplish right now? and what is the challenge with it?
 
7:22 PM
if I muted you from one room joining another room to ping me is not going to fare well in the long run
 
user2862309
I will tell the guys from the C++ room to come and check.
 
user2862309
I don't know
 
user2862309
Apparently my opinion on them being wrong is a bit harsh.
 
user2862309
I don't care actually I have other things to do, have a nice evening.
 
there's a popular design philosophy @BenBeri called "mobile first". Long story short, you basically just ensure your site looks good on mobile first, and then as you scale your resolution up, you add a break point (a new media query with new styles) whenever the page starts looking weird/strained/you have space for a full menu/bigger version of important stuff
 
7:23 PM
@BenBeri no.
@TylerH +1000
 
heh ^
no sitepoint article yet?
 
he said they recently published one like it
thanks for reminding me, need to put it on my site
 
\o/
more content for everyone!
you get a content, and you get a content, and you get a content!
everyone gets a new content!
 
whats annoying is I can't open my programs from the start menu right now
need to notify it that they're on another drive
 
7:26 PM
? Windows 8
why did I put that question mark at the beginning
 
There is a glitch in my matrix
I hate Windows 8 because of the metro ui
 
@Bubbas I am trying to accomplish suggestions of an easy, functioning mobile CSS framework and utilities, that's all.
 
it's probably not half bad for you Zach since you have a touch screen monitor
 
user2286243
@TylerH everyone
 
7:27 PM
but for point-and-click it's backward progress
 
well i used jquery mobile
 
@VarunAgw ?
 
user2286243
@TylerH > I hate Windows 8 because of the metro ui
 
when i first dev'd a mobile friendly site
 
@Bubbas use *
 
7:28 PM
ty
 
*first* = first
 
user2286243
most peoples hate metro ui
 
jquery mobile has lots of css classes that a made for mobile screens
 
I think it's fine
 
even has a "responsive" class i believe
 
7:28 PM
I don't think that metro ui is very productive. On win7 you open start menu and start typing for an app you want.
 
@k111ky Don't call them apps -_-
 
that you can just stick on an element and ..whalla! now all your shit is repsonsive! ;)
 
It's a desktop, damnit! They're programs!
 
user2286243
The first thing I did after installing Windows is to install Start 8
 
they aren't applications?
 
7:29 PM
BRB going back to my glorious world of 1984
@ZachSaucier Another reason I hate Win8 is because about 95% of the screen is a button to go back to the metro screen and leave the desktop
 
@CarrieKendall I'm consistently positive in CSGO now :D
 
doesn't matter what I'm doing, if I ever misclick it always takes me back to the metro UI screen
 
@TylerH not sure what you mean by that
 
I'll like, minimize a window or close it or move my mouse near a corner or something
and it think that means I want to go back to the metro interface
 
@BenBeri sift thru this: demos.jquerymobile.com/1.4.3
 
7:30 PM
when I just want to get to the desktop
 
see if you see things that you like, use it if you do
 
user2286243
but it can be disabled
 
@VarunAgw It shouldn't have to be
 
its my rec because im familiar with it.. i know it got me to building fully functional and well received mobile apps after ..never doing so before
 
user2286243
yeah! Windows 8 metro UI suck. Heard Windows 9 is bringing start menu back
 
7:32 PM
im sure theres a "better" solution for you out there... but thats my rec
 
@Bubbas ty ill take alook
 
There probably won't be a 9; they're switching to an OSX-style update scheme
at least not a 9 for a loooong time
interesting story, Microsoft beat Apple to the tablet market by several years, but it used a stylus and forced everyone to use the desktop-style point and click environment, so it flopped (also tablets were basically glorified e-readers back then)
 
They made the same mistake with Windows 8, except in reverse. Instead of having a powerful new OS that works for desktops and a touch-friendly version that works for mobile devices, they tried to force people in all environments to use touch
so Win8 is seen as a Vista 2.0 rather than an improvement over Windows 7
@VarunAgw that makes me happy
 
user2286243
I used Windows XP until 2013 :P lazy to upgrade
 
user2286243
7:37 PM
Another thing I noticed in Windows 8 is that hotkeys don't work properly (if not run as admin)
 
D:
I'll try to find other link
 
Its ok, I will find it.
 
@TylerH That's not a nice thing to say without knowing anything
(Just came back from a massive internet outage I've had, apologies)
 
7:43 PM
@SecondRikudo I know lots of things
It's not really a nice thing to say but it's an even less nice thing to want
 
@TylerH (Willie Wonka's voice) Really? Please, do tell me what you know :)
 
anybody here use advanced custom fields with wordpress?
 
All you have to do is look at the strategic situation and the behavior of the two sides
 
@TylerH As someone living here, I can tell you with 100% certainty that I do not want Gaza nuked.
 
@mikedidthis let me know if you find a DL link or something I can easily rip :D
 
7:45 PM
I want Hamas exterminated, and anyone who dares to replace them as a terror organization to be wiped out.
I have nothing against the people of Gaza, and if you or any like-minded people like you think for a second that we enjoy this conflict, you are sorely mistaken.
 
It was a euphemism for "the people in charge of the air strikes and military attacks want Gaza wiped from the map" but to do so would not be palatable to the rest of the world
obviously citizens and even soldiers hate fighting
 
@TylerH Had Israel wanted the destruction of Gaza, don't think that it wouldn't have happened already
 
No I don't
I think it's been happening
as fast as Israel can get away with
 
Either by our hands, or by unsettling the stability inside of Gaza.
Seriously?
 
I thought this was HTML chat
...
 
7:47 PM
@ziGi I thought you were muted
again
 
in JS
for some reason without a warning
 
but let's not start that topic
 
to quote Jonathan Larson, "you can't just wipe out an entire tent city and then watch It's A Wonderful Life on TV"
 
@ZachSaucier got ti LD
 
7:48 PM
@ziGi We've already started, tough.
 
@TylerH you can if you are a psychopath
@SecondRikudo I don't want to continue
 
@ziGi missing the point entirely
 
@ziGi Go away then. No one asked you to continue.
 
how so?
 
age old question:
.overlay {
    position: fixed;
    z-index: 99999;
    top: 0;
    left: 0;
    right: 0;
    bottom: 0;
    background-color: #fff;
    text-align: center;
}
 
7:48 PM
@TylerH When did we do that?
 
how do I vertically center text on the overlay
 
@rlemon display: table-cell; vertical-align: middle
 
@rlemon can use transforms or what rikudo said
 
@rlemon
padding: 5px;
    border-radius: 5px;
    color: #000;
    background-color: #fff;
    position:relative;
    top:50%;
 
cheap and useful. just how I l ike it
 
7:49 PM
also works with display:inline-block IIRC
 
@TylerH What happened in Gaza in the past weeks is not "wiping out tent cities"
What is happening in Syria is "wiping out tent cities"
 
@SecondRikudo I'm saying that's why you haven't yet
 
It's funny how everyone seem to complain about Israel while completely ignoring the primal and barbaric bloodshed going on just a few miles north
 
@SecondRikudo +1
 
You can't just eradicate entire populations of people and then go on as if everything is okay; the UN and other countries would be outraged and Iran would probably invade
 
7:50 PM
Is 200,000 deaths, most of them civilians no enough for you to yell?
 
@SecondRikudo Agreed, but not really relevant, since we're talking about Israel :-)
 
@TylerH Sure doesn't look like it, read above
@TylerH Okay
Fine
Then tell me this
 
I hate to be that guy, but...
> Religion and Politics are off-topic!
 
@mikedidthis totally agree
 
Hamas will take over civilian buildings, residents, schools, hospitals, and shoot rockets from there
 
7:51 PM
tell me now, what is the most profound tag in HTML
 
What would you do, if you were in charge?
 
I would implement some meta tags
 
@ziGi Your trolling is getting really annoying.
 
!!mute ziGi
 
@ZachSaucier I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Zach Saucier
 
7:52 PM
@SecondRikudo I am not trolling
 
Can't mute using Caprica outside of JS room @ZachSaucier
 
I am saying I agree with mike
@ZachSaucier do you know me to mute me?
 
!!ban ziGi
 
@ZachSaucier Registered; need 1 more to execute
 
7:53 PM
!!ban ziGi
 
@SecondRikudo ziGi added to mindjail.
 
But that's not a mute, that's a mindjail...
 
@ziGi I didn't mean get on topic :D
 
I want to ask something and this guys are just mean
:/
 
7:54 PM
@ziGi Ask
 
If you have an actual question we may help
 
@SecondRikudo If I were in charge I would probably revert borders back to 1967 borders
 
@TylerH How is that even remotely relevant to what goes on in Gaza?
 
I was wondering how to make not only horizontal but vertical text align
 
If I were really, really in charge I would revert things back to pre 1948
 
7:54 PM
in a rectangular box in portrait mode
 
@ziGi too many SO questions on it. Not worth our time
 
@TylerH Clearly you have no idea what's going on here.
 
@SecondRikudo Hamas' stated goal for quite some time has been to achieve 1967 borders
 
@TylerH Hamas's single goal is to exterminate all of us.
That is their well declared, well defined goal, and they aren't afraid to say it.
 
Wow, just wow
thank you for the help
 
7:56 PM
And while I don't approve of terrorists whatsoever, you should look at the situation from a different perspective: Israel is Goliathx10 here and Hamas is David divided by 5
 
And if we go back to '67 borders, they'll find something else to bitch about so that we'll revert back to 48
 
@ziGi You're welcome!
 
isn't it something like half of all rockets from Gaza land inside their own border
 
@TylerH The success rate does not change the level of aggression.
 
and one of their rockets recently hit a power plant in Israel that is supplying power to the entire gaza strip
@SecondRikudo No but it changes the amount of threat
and thus the appropriate response
 
7:57 PM
@rlemon lemon you are just being irritated and mean, why do you swear at the people like this
 
@TylerH Seriously?
 
I think bombing a hospital is not an appropriate response
 
inb4 mute
 
In Sderot, they have 15 seconds to get to shelter in case of a bombing.
 
+1 to the ignore list
 
7:58 PM
It's very likely that it wouldn't land on you, but will you take that chance with your own family and your own life?
15 seconds, how fast can you run?
 
@ziGi I'm mean? I'm Mean?!? because I don't take shit from someone calling the entire room ignorant?
just shake your head and leave me alone please
 
sure sorry
enjoy your evening
 
you've tried my nerves over and over and I don't want to talk to you anymore
thankyou
 
I apologize for the comotion
 
They run to shelter regardless of Iron Dome interceptions, in case you were wondering
 
7:59 PM
@rlemon what about Nick then or Awal?
they do much more stupid things
 
Children at the age of 6 show the same PTSD soldiers that returned from Iraq show
 
and then I am to blame
 
ping me again and i'll flag for spam. I've asked you to stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
@SecondRikudo honestly if I lived within a mile of an area that my country surrounds on 4 sides that kept trying to send bombs my way, I'd move cities
 

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