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2:00 PM
@k111ky no
 
40 strings?
 
do you have a portfolio?
 
Yes
 
@Luggage you can do a ton, will have to limit your media though
 
40dollhairs an hour
@k111ky links for judgement
 
2:00 PM
I'm scared lol
 
@k111ky don't be, we are all friends here.
 
it's not much tho'
 
We can keep our opinions to ourselves if you'd prefer
 
2:01 PM
you're not mike's friend until he tells you to eat a dick
 
nah let me know any tips and tricks or suggestions as I could need them obviously
 
@CarrieKendall even then, your still not my friend :p
 
Jul 31 at 2:37, by rlemon
dude, don't worry. I am hard on you because I love you
 
@mikedidthis ouch
 
@k111ky I'd work a little on the portfolio page itself
 
2:02 PM
@CarrieKendall eat a dick.
 
@ZachSaucier any specific suggestions?
 
inline mail form rather than mailto:
 
@Loktar never played lbp
 
like on one on the sites you did :P
@rlemon ah its a great game
 
2:03 PM
Alright
 
thats just a random suggestion
 
yes, f mailto:
 
I like your site though, and the sites you did
 
thank you
 
My only suggest would be to remove the first project, the rest are more than fine.
 
2:03 PM
they look nice, there is some weirdness on the buttons though on your site
like when you move down
 
@k111ky mainly fix work section as I think it's the most important. It'd be nice to know what you did on each project and how it helped the client (if there was one)
 
the circle blinks
 
@CarrieKendall <3
 
Ah, on all of them I did the development and design
 
but based on the sites you can charge around $40
 
2:04 PM
@k111ky yea I like your site
 
lol I would charge $80 @k111ky
 
good shit
 
lots of things I'd change, but it's not bad by any means
 
i might change the wording: I'm also pretty damn good with raw PHP development as well as with not-so-raw-but-awesome Symphony and Laravel frameworks.
 
yea I suck at selling myself, obviously
 
2:04 PM
raw php sounds kinky though
 
posted on August 05, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by iveinsomnia */

 
but first suggestion - preload your damn images
 
\o/ coding love
 
seeing images load (in 2014) takes away from a site IMO
 
$40 is like $18-20 at a non freelance job
 
2:05 PM
@rlemon yep
 
ohh god yea, I'd charge no less than $60 for a freelance gig
 
alright so, 1) f mailto:, 2) remove the first site I did, 3) the circle blinks for some weird reason, 4) preload ftw
 
yeah the circle thing is super minor
 
knowing in the end i'm probably going to net $30/hr after all the work is done
 
and show what you did on each project
 
2:05 PM
and remember we are tech people
 
and that
 
regular people will think its pretty
 
I appreciate the input ya'all :)
 
@rlemon wow why would you only net half?
 
it's also responsive, or should be
 
2:06 PM
you mean with taxes and such?
 
also, keep in mind, none of us have any idea what we're doing
 
because a 10hr estimate is likely to turn into a 20hr job after the client bitches
 
haha wow
I dont let that bs happen
 
2:06 PM
just a rule of thumb.
not all clients are bastards
just most of them
 
user image
2
 
if its 20hr's charge them 20 hrs :P
half up front as well.
 
@easwee AWESOME! :d
 
Hofstadter's law is a self-referential time-related adage, coined by Douglas Hofstadter and named after him. Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. — Douglas Hofstadter, Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid Hofstadter's Law was a part of Douglas Hofstadter's 1979 book Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid. The law is a statement regarding the difficulty of accurately estimating the time it will take to complete tasks of substantial complexity. It is often cited amongst programmers, especially in discussions of...
 
It's better than my current no gifs :D
 
2:07 PM
@Loktar some jobs require you to quote on a contract
I don't do these jobs any more, but lots of freelancers do still have to eat
 
I think that's the right one... maybe not
 
@ZachSaucier yeah time estimates suck, however I charge for work I've done
and never have had any issues fortunately
 
@Loktar do you turn down work?
 
I have, last one I turned down was for a company archrival
 
2:09 PM
yeah, i think that's probably why
 
well heh it was me just over charging
thats how I turned it down
 
I've turned down work. But i'm also not in dire need of the money
 
they wanted IE7 support so I said it would be an extra 200 or so
 
it is easy to turn down work if you are not counting pennies for gas
 
some people won't turn down work (mainly because they can't) but that's how people end up in bad contracts
 
2:10 PM
I'm counting pennies for cigarettes!
 
time to quit
 
I don't quit what I love
 
while you are still young
lets talk in five years ;)
 
@CarrieKendall yeah if I couldnt turn down work it might be a different story but idk
I don't let myself get walked over generally
 
@Loktar just think. for every job you turn down, that is 5 video games you can't buy.
it's a tragedy
 
2:11 PM
I already have them though
 
SHHH
 
:p
dude have you played Last of Us yet?
 
yeah, all of my contracting has been 100% referral and apparently the people i know always know even cooler people so i've been incredibly fortunate
 
few minutes
 
I'm playing through it again on the ps4, love that game so much
 
2:11 PM
minus one contract that i took that was right after college
 
I found a new TV show
 
@CarrieKendall haha nice!
really lucky
 
and it is one of those games I have to pay attention too
 
most of the work I've done has been for other shops so I've sub contracted through them
so its been a bit easier
I'm dealing with a business rather than an individual
 
I had one place not pay me ( I did have 20% up front ) -- but the morons didn't change the FTP password fast enough.
:D
 
2:12 PM
i had a 4 year contract for a network marketing company and that was mostly a nightmare
 
scrum tieeeme
 
the money was ridiculous but i ended up quitting without a job lined up because it was so horrible
 
I once worked at an agency that didn't pay me my paycheck, so I got pissed and deleted their entire development server. Some 100 sites or so.
2 months later they were bankrupt.
Don't F with me.
 
... wow
chat, where history lives on foreverrrrrr
 
@k111ky yea I just deleted all of the work I did and their email db
 
2:14 PM
@Loktar do you play shooters?
 
@CarrieKendall do you play shooters?
 
I mean I managed to complete some 10 or so websites for them in the time of a single month.
I always pull through and then they just .. not pay me? no way
 
@CarrieKendall do you play any currently?
tl;dr no one seems to play shooters in here. :(
 
yeah, hippy gamers and their peaceful games
@Zach plays cs:go :D
 
2:17 PM
sometimes
Carrie is better
 
@CarrieKendall that is incredibly fortunate
I like shooters but don't have any of the popular ones these days
 
i'll play any cs and most other source engine games
i also like cod but i never get super into it because of teh ragez
 
I used to play BF
but not in a long time
 
!!doge cod, rage, chetz
 
and I was never any good
 
2:19 PM
      wow
                  many cod
                           such  rage
so  chetz
 
i refuse to pay $50-$60 for games when they first release so i never get good at them in enough time
and really, only because it rages me for the price to drop dramatically a few weeks later
@rlemon ea games puts out some beautiful shooters.. i usually get swept away in story mode
 
I enjoyed Battlefield: Bad Company and Bad Company 2
I also played a lot of Combat Arms (f2p) while in college
these days the only shooter I play is PlanetSide 2
 
@CarrieKendall I play everything except adventure games
 
well, Skyrim is practically an open-world shooter
 
BFBC2 was my fav battlefield
 
2:22 PM
what is an adventure game
 
Monkey Island, KIngs Quest
Walking Dead
 
it isnt a precision-based shooter
what's the premise?
 
lots of puzzles
 
ah, okay
 
and mouse hunting
 
2:23 PM
RPGs without the role playing
 
like clicking on random things until they work :P
 
oh so every disney game ever released
 
haha quite a few yeah
 
i used to be way more into gaming, i played css competitively and traveled for a while
 
A few of my fav old school games are Disney, Aladdin and The Lion King for the SNES
 
2:26 PM
@CarrieKendall like I said, she's better than me :P @mikedidthis
 
I've never been a fan of CS
I prefer TF
 
i love tf
 
!!
 
i am currently on a tf2 kick
 
@Loktar That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: t
 
2:27 PM
yeah thats one of my favorite games
 
I played Halo:CE competitively, if that counts
 
do I have you on Steam?
 
forgot about that one
 
@ZachSaucier backs away
 
2:28 PM
haha, i am horrid at css and csgo atm
i have my sens jacked up for tf2
so i can rocket/sticky jump
 
I play heavy/bow sniper/scout
 
i go into csgo and i have my sens down so it takes like 8 12" swipes to 360 haha
dude, i SUCK at sniper bow
i am so horrible at timed shots
 
haha yeah it takes a while to get used to
Im a bit rusty currently with the bow I've mostly been playing heavy
 
i am unable to walk out of spawn as a heavy and not be immediately backstabbed
 
yeah I play pretty paranoid
hard to find a team with good pyros spy checking
 
2:30 PM
i mostly play scout
 
my daughter plays now too, she is my pocket medic lately which is great
 
yeah, half the trouble of tf2 is finding a good server with some kind of auto scramble strategy
lmao
you trained your daughter as a pocket medic i love it
 
haha well she loves medic
she is a bit obsessed with tf2 lately, watches the shorts like crazy
 
the other day i was playing control points, i'm demo, and we're on our last point getting shat upon, and this medic whips out his saw...
 
lol
died immediately?
 
2:32 PM
of course
and i rage like a gigantic toddler
 
the worst ones are ones who have no idea how to uber
 
charged for liek a minute and I'm dying
Im like RIGHT CLIIICK OMGGG
overall glad it went free to play though, a lot of varied skill in the game
 
its like planting/defusing in cs on a public server
"how do you defuse?"
 
lol
its just E right?
 
2:34 PM
yep
everything is e in that game
how to play: mouse and e (okay, and aswd)
 
RoboCraft is a fun free to play
 
> Ok for diffusing hit F2, then the number 3 on the keypad, then type out diffuse, and hit enter twice
 
pay to win :/ but not horribly so
 
whatever @rlemon I know why you're trying to sell us on that game
Rob-oCraft
 
2:35 PM
nice try
 
@ObiWanWesabi that was nasty
 
do you have ecco the dolphin on genesis @Loktar?
 
user652649
ahahahah @Mr.Alien ragequit
 
no unfortunately :?
I've played it, but don't own it
 
user652649
ahahahahaahahah
 
2:36 PM
:/
 
:( i am disappoint
 
I'm not really huge into Sega though
 
@Loktar damn, you caught me
 
now lets go one on one
 
I have most of the sega consoles but barely any games
 
2:37 PM
my console preference when i was a kid was: whatever rich aunt bought my cousins haha
 
hah, mine was Atari 7800 until we got a SNES
 
user652649
man you could have won anyway, next time do artillery and you will destroy all my ships in seconds
 
user652649
you can't attack ships with musketeers :D
 
the first console i ever owned was a n64
 
I was doing those bombarding cannons and you came before I expected
 
2:37 PM
The only thing I liked on Sega was Sonic and Castlevania
 
but i played on their nes, snes and genesis
 
hah that was the first major console I ever purchased (N64)
 
also, glover was so freakin' good
 
def one of my fav consoles
 
My best friend had a Super Nintendo growing up, we played it all the time. loooved it
 
2:38 PM
you are offline wes
 
user652649
@Mr.Alien yeah and after that you should have guarded the whole coast with those
 
yeah man the SNES was so great
 
there was this one game, I wish I could remember it
 
@ObiWanWesabi I was busy experimenting
 
that game.. like no one ever played it but me apparently... i freakin' wore that cartridge out i played it so much
 
2:39 PM
you basically were an apache helicopter pilot or something
in a city
 
user652649
ok ok we should play in team then
 
and you had to go around shooting enemies and picking up ammo drops
god I miss it
 
@ObiWanWesabi like yest?
 
!!youtube I want to break free queen
 
user652649
2:39 PM
yes but this time harder AI
 
that video is hilarious
 
yup
 
like Jungle Strike/Desert Strike @TylerH?
 
user652649
so again?
 
also, hilarious video aside, it is one of my favorite songs by queen
 
2:40 PM
Good morning.
 
@Loktar um possibly. I will look those up
 
@Loktar ohh god Metal Warriors to this day is still one of my favorite games
 
YESSSSS
that was it @Loktar
 
nice!
 
@ObiWanWesabi are we playing right now or I play with random for a while?
 
2:40 PM
@rlemon I havent played that one but have heard good things about it
 
OMG get a rom or something
it is an instant classic
 
user652649
anyway @Mr.Alien i know it was nasty, but you learned the tactic on that specific map
 
user652649
when there's water do ships asap
 
yup, the big cannons
 
idk if you were an RPG fan. soul blazer was also a AWESOME game for the SNES
 
2:41 PM
@rlemon LOL wow was just going to buy it... but then
 
user652649
join game
 
@Loktar it was awesome... hours and hours
 
@Loktar TOLD YOU IT WAS A CLASSIC! :P
 
haha yeah must be rare too
 
my brother and I owned it growing up
 
2:42 PM
add me @mike and @loktar, i wont be on steam until later. carriek
 
again had I had the foresight to keep this shit... man
 
yeah :?
 
we had so many SNES games.
sold it all to get a game cube when we were still young
What a waste.. :(
 
snes is probably my all time favorite console solely for the games
 
Jungle Strike was teh version we had it looks like
 
2:43 PM
@Loktar Both were amazing games.
 
@CarrieKendall agreed
 
also, our childhood paints a picture I don't think will ever be beaten
 
yeah I played Jungle Strike on the Genesis at my grandmas house really fun
 
I loved my snes. Swapped it for an amiga, which was almost as good.
 
2:43 PM
I have a version for my amiga cd32 as well
 
the same games are not as enjoyable today
 
although super mario on nes.. that ship level.... f those japanese bastards
 
I've stopped playing them. I don't want to ruin my memories of them
 
do you know how many lives were lost on that boat?
 
there was also an arcade game at a restaurant that I loved, it had up to 4 players, and you could play like a wizard, an archer girl, a dwarf, and a normal melee character, and you had to travel through the lands killing enemies and making it to the end or something
I spent so many quarters playing that game
 
2:44 PM
Guantlet?
probably the newer (lol newer as in late 90's early 2k's) 3d one
Gauntlet Legends
amazing coop games for sure
 
Super Sprint probably cost my parents a few hundred in quarters growing up
there was a 4 person machine at my local corner store.
 
do you guys use px, em or another unit for font sizes?
 
we'd spend half the day there in the summer time just playing that game
@DarkAshelin I try to use em/rem
 
@DarkAshelin rem too! :P
 
Yes it was 3d (well, sort of isometric view)
Gauntlet Legends probably
 
2:46 PM
I keep bumping into trouble with em
 
@DarkAshelin all because, f's can't be given for unit consistency
 
use REM
 
REM
 
what's rem?
 
what's love?
 
2:46 PM
responsive em
 
@DarkAshelin a band
 
root em
 
lol ^ total guess, but thats how I refer to it :P
 
I see
 
@mikedidthis thanks for giving me some knowledge
 
2:47 PM
its based of the font size you set on the root / html element.
@Loktar I prefer your version.
 
I thought the padding-top setting in this html page would prevent this page from hiding the top-most text-box. Any ideas on how to make it work? I'm not sure this is answerable, given the other stuff being imported.
 
I call them reasonable EM's
 
EMs are harsh as they suffer from compounding maths.
 
well one of the troubles I run into is that em is not very accurate. Imagine I want 1px bigger/smaller I can't even do that
 
because they are
 
2:47 PM
@DarkAshelin Just know that em is equal to the current font-size of browsers
 
CSS newbie.
 
so 1em in most cases will be 16px;
 
@TylerH not strictly true, it can be based on the parent of the child with the em value.
 
@mikedidthis whatever the current font size is
 
@TylerH yeah, that's another issue
 
2:48 PM
(Should be 60px. Jacked it up to 600 to see if it would make a difference.)
 
if the user choses a different font-size, it can break my layout
 
If you change the font-size anywhere, then 1em will also change
because it's responsive
 
html,body {
  font-size: 16px;
}

.foo {
  font-size: 1.1rem;
}
.foo is 17.6px
 
and will that even render properly on all browsers?
 
takes a bit of thinking about initially, but makes for a more manageable design
 
2:49 PM
^ same if you had used just em
 
@DarkAshelin no
 
@DarkAshelin IE8 + caniuse.com/rem
 
@TylerH not if .foo sits in another container which changes the size
 
tbh everyone always promotes using em, but all I can see is it causing trouble as opposed to px
 
!!caniuse rem
 
2:50 PM
caniuse: rem
 
@rlemon oh well I was assuming that was your whole document -_-
 
or <div class="foo"><div class="foo">inner</div>outer</div>
 
I've used em ever since I started coding, but very often considering to just switch to px
 
what then hombre?
what then?!
 
@DarkAshelin either or. TBH you can just stick with PX.
 
2:50 PM
IE 9 & IE 10 do not support rem units when used in the font shorthand property (the entire declaration is ignored) or when used on pseudo elements.
IE 9, 10 and 11 do not support rem units when used in the "line-height" property when used on :before and :after pseudo elements (connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/776744).
Borders sized in "rem" disappear when the page is zoomed out in Chrome.
 
then, hombre... what?
I've always just used pixels because em/rem just relate to pixels anyway
 
@easwee 1) Don't use the short hand 2) Use unitless line-heights 3) Win
 
@mikedidthis just pointing out
 
@easwee I know :D
I would still do borders in PX.
I use REM for font-size, padding, margin. PX for specific, % for other stuff.
 
What would be a reason for
`#vertical-box div:first-child input ` working on one page and not on the other
Headers are identical, so it is loaded. Infact `#vertical-box div input ` just the child selector doesnt on the 2nd page
 
2:52 PM
jsfiddle.net/rWj95/2 - Why doesn't the height go 100% for #sidebar?
 
@aliteralmind live example?
 
@BenBeri what #sidebar
 
@rodling live example?
 
@TylerH Check the JSFiddle, it's a section with id sidebar
 
@BenBeri What I mean is, there's no sidebar content
so it doesn't know what to make 100%
 
2:54 PM
@TylerH Yeah even if you add content, the background doesn't go 100% height
 
text === em/rem
layout/presentation === px/%
paddings/margins (for text containing elements) em/rem
I'm so confusing
 
it goes 100% height of the content
 
@TylerH I need the background to fill all the area down
 
the html element needs a height property.
 
@BenBeri then add html
 
2:55 PM
@mikedidthis Can't at the moment, unfortunately. I'm in the middle of a big tutorial. Thanks anyway.
 
height inherits
 
might need
html { height: 100%; }
 
@aliteralmind ok, well if you can at another time, feel free to post it.
 
Will do. Thank you.
 
2:56 PM
@TylerH damn you
body inherits from html.
you need to set the height on the html as well
 
Ah thanks, I see
 
@BenBeri if you remove 100% from body{} you'll see it still fills the whole container with the background
so that will tell you that it's not the 100% from body that is declaring the height
 
Yeah I see, trying to make my first sidebar here :P
 
:-)
just use tables instead :-P
and throw in some &nbsps when you need spacing
be sure to use IDs for everything; they're the best selector
 
@TylerH 1x1 transparent gifs are better.
 
2:59 PM
Well yeah ran into a problem, where I use float left both on sidebar & content area, and the content area still goes under the sidebar. content area has 100% width & height
 
what should I eat for lunch today
 
skyrim so buggy
 
@ZachSaucier :-( what kind of bugs?
 
@TylerH haven't been able to complete main quest in years
tried on like 3 different occasions
freaking Delphine hates me
 
@BenBeri float removes elements from the normal document flow
@ZachSaucier lol wat
did she run off attacking a dragon somewhere?
 

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