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8:00 PM
@Greg We got another company email. They're still looking for that web developer. Interested?
 
@KendallFrey Yeah, can you send me the email so I can take a look.
 
I'm not sure how much they want a guy on the west coast (due to time zone differences), but we do have a guy in Wyoming or something
You'd have to be available at 6AM or something
 
@KendallFrey I'm up at six am as it is.
 
@KendallFrey When I worked at Apple, I had the six to three shift usually. Since I don't mind waking up early.
 
8:07 PM
Unlike me :P
I like waking up at 9 and going to bed at midnight
 
@KendallFrey Yeah, I used to be like that when I was younger. By chance do you know the salary for the job? I know they don't like to post, but I like to have some idea.
 
No, I don't know, sorry.
 
@Greg its definitely OVER 9000!
 
I'm not paid a lot, but I think it's because I'm young.
 
@EvanL jesus, the meme that time forgot
 
8:12 PM
@KendallFrey If you don't mind me inquiring, is yours over sixty?
 
Nope
 
Over fifty?
 
Over forty?
 
:( no
 
8:13 PM
@KendallFrey Well, I hope your under paid because of your age.
 
I hope so too
I wouldn't expect anything really high :/
 
@KendallFrey you have by far the greatest framework knowledge / years experience ratio of anyone I've ever encountered, that doesn't necessarily equate to good job prospects but it's valuable to someone
 
Honestly, I'd like a minimum of the average for my area. Which is sixty five thousand.
That is all my shooting for, also the chance for growth as well.
 
probably someone who doesn't realise it until his product breaks
 
its 65k in oregon as the minimum? wut
 
8:16 PM
not minimum, average
 
Kendall, go be a sr. architect somewhere
 
I'm sorry, I really have no idea how much they're offering
 
is it on glassdoor?
 
dunno what that is
 
@NETscape The average is sixty five. I'm only willing to accept the average as a minimum.
 
8:17 PM
well whats average for your area probably isn't average for kendalls area
 
Also, the job isn't in 'my area'
 
@KendallFrey It is okay, I'll sort it out. Thanks for the link though.
 
I dunno if they'd tell me how much they're offering
 
sleep with HR or something
get it from them, like they do in the movies... with other things
 
@TomW lol yep, I like to keep things outdated ;)
 
8:23 PM
Has anyone ever seen a SPROC that can iterate through all sprocs in a DB and change select * to select field1, field2, field3
?
 
@SpencerRuport no but I suspect it's possible. And probably not even that difficult.
 
I think I'm gonna try to write it.
 
sql is turing-complete, right?
it's by definition possible
 
T-SQL is
 
8:37 PM
Hi, can someone please tell me why i keep getting a nullrefrence exception? pastebin.com/7qdTqJLQ
it hightlights switch (c_formatting.SelectedIndex)
 
c_formatting is null, or selectedindex is null.
more likely c_formatting
 
yup.
 
@Greg 65K is low even for Oregon. Especially Portland
 
@Pheonixblade9 What is a fair average?
 
one sec
 
8:40 PM
@Ahmed.C I suspect the assignment of the event handlers is messed up somehow and you're referencing c_formatting in the event handler assigned to a different control
 
@Greg do you have a degree?
 
@Ahmed.C suggestion: set a breakpoint on the switch and when you hit it, in the Immediate Window, evaluate ?sender==c_formatting
 
@TomW Looks like a simple bool solved it
 
@Pheonixblade9 No. Just four years experience in Software, then seven years in IT
 
The problem was that the control was being activated wayy before anything ever loaded so I added a bool saying that once the rest of the controls are loaded, then activate it
 
8:42 PM
you should get a degree if you can. just finish one.
but I'd ask for $80k
make them give the first number though.
 
@Pheonixblade9 any idea how LinkedIn knows to suggest you as a contact?
 
@TomW me? I'm connected with Greg and Reed.
 
I don't have anybody I haven't met IRL on there.
 
@TomW did you email me at some point?
 
@Greg I agree with Pheonix. I have 3 years software 5 IT and I am asking for 65k, getting bites too. With yours you could probably get 80, especially in places like Portland
 
8:43 PM
not that I recall
 
@EvanL Portland and Seattle have almost identical cost of living indexes. 83k is median here for a software engineer.
 
@Pheonixblade9 I should move to Portland/Seattle.
In Denver its about 65/70k
But cost of living is much lower I believe.
 
@Pheonixblade9 I am sure there must be more to it than exchange rate, because that's pretty damn good if you convert to £
 
@EvanL did I mention my rent is $1495/mo for a 2 bedroom? and that I'm getting a hell of a deal?
 
maybe our employers are cheap
 
8:45 PM
@Pheonixblade9 ouch... My wife and I and our baby live in a 2 bedroom house, 2000sq ft for 1k / mo. (That's really low for Denver though).
 
Denver...know nothing about it. What's it like?
 
hungry
 
Alot like Portland sans the ocean.
The scene anyway..
Otherwise it's beautiful, great weather (most of the time), mountains less than 30 minutes away.
Awesome beer!
 
^ lol
 
Oh and pot is legal here... though I really don't care about that... it's kind of annoying.
 
8:47 PM
Colorado as a region looks stunning
being in the middle of that doesn't sound bad
 
@Pheonixblade9 Okay, I might try that. Thank you Cody.
 
Can't read the news without someone yakking about pot laws, or pot made some guy kill his wife... its dumb.
 
liberal, I guess, if they voted for legalisation?
 
sure.
@EvanL yeah, lemme find you some real estate prices around here
 
@TomW Oddly enough, Colorado typically swings red. But Denver itself is hugely liberal.
 
8:48 PM
2 bedroom 2000sqft would go for around 450k-500k to sell around here
 
@Pheonixblade9 we rent.
 
Portland isn't too expensive, I live in the outskirts. I'm one of the five bureaus of Portland, I paid $203,000 for my house. Plus we don't have sales tax.
 
yeah. just saying
 
@TomW It's not bad being land locked as long as you love the mountains. If you're not really into that type of activity you might be a bit disappointed.
 
Denver is amazing if you're outdoorsy.
only places I know that are better are maybe... SLC? Boulder?
 
8:50 PM
Absolutely. Lots of fun night life too, but that gets old quick.
 
you've seen my gravatar, right?
 
Boulder is 20 minutes away from Denver. That's where this potential position is.
 
SLC has the whole Mormon thing going for them though :(
Boulder would be a fantastic place to live
 
Yeah if you're going Utah, go Provo all the way.
 
yeah, good point.
 
8:51 PM
Boulder is really expensive though... and the people there are... um... different
 
Idaho is pretty amazing too, but... kinda super racist.
 
Most people in CO call boulder "The People's Republic of Boulder".
 
haha, it kinda is
 
but it's the healthiest city in the US
The new employer would pay for a gym membership in full, and a ski/snowboard season pass each year.
 
want.
 
8:53 PM
Yeah... I really want this job... I don't even care too much if its a sideways move in terms of salary.
 
I can barely ski, but whatever. That's the way to learn.
 
Indeed... fall on your ass until you don't ;)
Same as coding! =P
 
especially if it's free
 
i wanted to move to denver. had a couple round interview at qualcomm
 
Decent company from what I hear. We have alot of software companies here. Not nearly as many as Seattle though...
 
8:54 PM
It'd cost me a month's salary to i) get to ii) get let into and ii) sleep in any decent ski resort on this continent
 
Where do you live Tom?
 
well, month's disposable
UK. Scotland has ski-able runs but they suck and some years they're all unusable
nearest is France. Oversubscribed and mega expensive
 
Yeah... Skiing in Europe is just not worth it.
 
Czech republic apparently has superb and much more reasonably priced snowsports
don't know anyone who's used them though, so no reliable reports of their good- or suck-ness
 
Qualcomm is hardcore
at least for hardware engineering hires
 
8:58 PM
they make about half of all the ICs that aren't desktop CPUs, right?
 
definitely not half, but a lot.
 
I've been trying to persuade my old lead to apply for ARM
 
thats one of the main reasons I became a software engineer instead of a computer engineer, even though my degree is in CpE. Higher pay, easier to move, more positions available. It's too bad
I was actually interviewing with Intel at one point...
 
i'm pretty sure they make > half IIRC
 
he's got a lithography tank in his garage that he built himself from scrap
 
9:01 PM
well ARM doesn't do anything like that, they only do design
 
he's designed and made his own PCBs, has a clone of an 8086 made from really basic DIPs mounted on his wall
 
:)
I only designed a CPU
only done a couple small PCBs
 
he's a natural for that kind of job and loves the company but isn't brave enough, I think
 
yeah, I get that
 
keep convincing him
 
9:04 PM
this is the same guy who has several jet engines and a tesla coil
I worry that if he did the EE stuff as a job he'd start doing more dangerous stuff as a hobby
 
@TomW Reading UK? Isn't that where Google is?
 
I think there's a Google office here, yes
 
I kinda wanna build a pulse jet...
 
@TomW That is really, really cool.
 
@TomW yes, I have a friend who works for Google and he regularly goes to Reading.,
 
9:06 PM
more dangerous than a jet engine?
 
I believe that's the office Skeet works for.
 
more dangerous than a jet engine that doesn't work
 
@EvanL yup
 
and by jet engine, what I mean is a Rolls-Royce Derwent, the engine in the UK's very first jet fighter
 
9:12 PM
</hero>
 
posted on April 18, 2014 by Scott Hanselman

I've have an iPhone since the 3GS (I have a 5S right now) but I'm always flirting with the Windows Phone. It's just prettier than my iPhone, but my iPhone has a lot of apps. Folks tease me at work and at conferences for not using a Windows Phone. I always say "when it's an awesome phone platform, I'll use it." Man, Windows Phone 8.1 is definitely more than "point 1 better." It's the platform

 
CALLED IT
I got a windows phone.
I love it.
 
that guy should be wearing earplugs...
 
@SpencerRuport Which one?
 
I'll see it appear on my Lumia 620 at some point
 
9:18 PM
@TomW #enthusiasm
 
@RoelvanUden You can download it if you buy the Preview Developer application, and have a Windows Mobile Developer Account. You'll get all the updates early. Without waiting for carrier.
 
@Greg - One of the Nokia Lumias. I forget which model.
 
for those not familiar with UK idioms, that is a really yokel-ish accent he has
 
520 I think.
 
9:20 PM
although we have a few
 
@SpencerRuport The 520, or 1520?
 
@TomW well his name is Colin... he's probably from the north
 
nah, kinda midlandy
 
@Greg Too lazy. Can't be assed to do that.
 
9:22 PM
my guess is somewhere near Worcester but my geography is not great
 
@RoelvanUden Well, once you do it, it last forever.
 
oh god, this man is a lunatic youtube.com/…
 
@TomW Looks like shit I did as a teenager.
 
aha, Lincolnshire. Explains a lot.
 
@TomW I remember building a Molotov cocktail lasso, it had four bottles attached that you would spin like a lasso. Then release, and wait for the kaboom.
@TomW It was all fun and games, until the beach was on fire for about four hours.
 
9:31 PM
in my experience, beaches don't readily burn...
I'll get that beach a fire. Beaches love fire.
 
@TomW lots of dry grass on beaches
 
aah. gotcha.
 
@TomW Plus giant bottles riddled with gasoline don't help either.
 
Getting sucked into refactoring some code to include a ViewModel (in winforms). Is it common to see quite a few static methods?
 
gasoline is the worst thing for a molotov cocktail
too easy to explode and kill you
too volatile
 
9:44 PM
originally ethanol IIRC, as pure as you can get from distillation
96% volume I think
 
@Pheonixblade9 If you can't die, it isn't exhilarating enough.
 
p.s. 'volatile' has a specific meaning in chemistry and gasoline...isn't, particularly. Not compared to a few others used as fuel
 
@Greg true. I'm doing that offshore race for sure, btw.
If you feel like driving out to Astoria, come see me :P
 
What is the offshore race?
 
Astoria, OR to Victoria, BC
 
9:51 PM
@EvanL - Why do you ask?
 
@TomW volatile typically means it has a predisposition to ignite. Gasoline evaporates easily and can be ignited easily, so it is volatile.
 
Like most adjectives, it depends on who's speaking.
"expensive"
"long"
"short"
"well documented"
 
@Pheonixblade9 it's the tendency to form a vapour - the standard that most are interested in is one that will ignite. Gasoline is the heaviest fraction that will ignite in air at normal pressure IIRC. Diesel is the next up and that's difficult to set fire to without heating it first
 
@TomW right. the predisposition to ignore is because of the fire triangle. Vapor is mixed with oxygen, so it's easy to ignite. Jet fuel for example is very non-volatile - you could throw a lit match into it and it'd just go out.
that's why diesel engines have higher compression ratios - it's required to ignite the fuel
 
Can somebody help me with this question?
 
9:57 PM
I've actually demoed fractional distillation of hydrocarbons in the lab, dontcha know
 
@SpencerRuport Because as I refactor this I'm ending up with some interesting static methods to populate the Bindings.
 
@Pheonixblade9 Are you swimming?
 
@SpencerRuport thinking I might be going about this the wrong way.
 
I am not sure how can I use LinkedList<Node> nodes and Class Edge to create AdjacencyList of nodes
 
you're not allowed to do it with crude, it contains a ton of carcinogens
but a synthetic mixture they're allowed to sell to schools minus the benzene and other such horrible shiz
 
9:58 PM
@Greg I certainly hope not. I got a really good PFD though.
 
@EvanL - Can you give an example?
 
@Pheonixblade9 I would come up, but we have a bunch of house stuff / family. Plus I have to comfort my wife, she had a miscarriage.
 
@SpencerRuport 	private IEnumerable<string> DirtyServiceList
        {
            get { return GenerateServiceNames(this.ComputerList.Where(s => !s.Contains("offline"))); }
        }

 	private static List<string> GenerateComputerList(IEnumerable<string> computers)
        {
            return computers.Where(s => !String.IsNullOrEmpty(s)).Select(computer => ClientIsOnline(computer) ? computer : computer + " (offline)").ToList();
        }
 
@Greg sorry about that :(
 
Yeah, totally sucks.
 
10:01 PM
@Greg jesus Greg, have you mentioned here yet? That's terrible, my sympathies
 
@TomW Have I mentioned what here, no I haven't been able to talk about it for a couple days. Kind of down about it.
 
@SpencerRuport hang on that will make no sense. Here's the entire ViewModel currently. I'll put it in a fiddel session or something.
 
@Greg just making sure I (or anyone else) haven't been a dick about anything when I should have known better
 
@TomW Nope, no one has been a dick.
 
10:04 PM
@SpencerRuport pastie.org/9090734
@SpencerRuport This is totally a weird refactor so please don't judge. Definitely open to suggestions ;)
@SpencerRuport in C# highlighting pastie.org/9090735
 
@KendallFrey Thanks.
 
<--- feels hugged
@Greg Oh man... sorry. My wife had two before one finally took. Hang in there.
 
@Greg - Sorry to hear that man. :( Hope you both feel better soon.
 
Thanks.
 
10:17 PM
just a quick question
All the characters in a textblock, is there a way to add a count for each of it?
so like if the word is "hello man" thats 9 characters
 
Is this WPF?
 
WinRT
c#
 
Where did you get stuck? Do you know how to get a TextRange?
 
@SpencerRuport any thoughts?
 
Actually, just TextBlock.Text should give you the result you want
 
10:22 PM
I'm just trying to replace the word. thats why. I dunno why i need to get each character.
 
I dunno what you're talking about
You want the length of the text?
 
dw about that
Lets say i have the string "new writebox test Hello new man" and this is on a textblock. How can i replace the "new" at the start of the sentence?
rather than the "new" towards the end?
 
11:08 PM
Anyone up for some jQuery?
@KendallFrey Question, do you work with the people looking for this developer?
 

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