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10:01 AM
oh, I don't mind.
I currently reside in the Milky Way.
 
Dammit, I was close. I really thought you were in the SMC.
Also, speaking of SMC, fuck the Southern hemisphere. Bastards got the beautifulest sky.
 
Xeo
@Bartek: Here's something else for you to bookmark: haskellforall.com/2012/09/the-functor-design-pattern.html (also read the first link to his other blog post)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mm? I'm not aware of the major difference. What is it?
 
Xeo
Most likely the SMC, since he mentioned that.
 
@sehe Everything!
 
10:07 AM
I don't get how haskell is so hip nowadays.
 
@sehe They have all the brightest stars, the Magellanic Clouds, the stuff around Crux, the stuff around Carina...
 
@starmole it's evolving, you know
 
Most of the cool stuff in the sky is either near the equator (so everyone can see it) or in the south.
 
True. But why. And why now. Way back in Uni I had to do haskell.
Would never have imagined it to go past academia
 
user1804599
I just had to use Windows and man it’s bad at scrolling.
 
10:12 AM
It's probably you.
 
user1804599
Why do I need focus to scroll. :S
 
hey robot
I was thinking about warps.
 
I can't login to Winter Bash to find out what this "Chuck Yeager" secret hat is that has been bestowed upon me
 
I figure that as long as you know all the inputs, you can prove that it's safe or not without any synchronization at all.
 
@starmole people are constantly researching uses of FP in the "regular" stuff
 
10:13 AM
@rightfold There's a power toy for that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what she said. That's what she always says.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Sure, but why haskell... even back then ocaml was way more practical.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There's no description of secret hats.
 
and now people are actually using it
 
10:14 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the one I used like a decade ago was called KatMouse I believe :)
 
@starmole Why?
 
@ScottW Gute Nacht
 
Xeo
@starmole Ask the other way around: Why not?
 
must be
 
Xeo: Good point :) To me it's just too alien to think in
 
10:16 AM
@ScottW Schlaf gut.
 
the same conditions as for copy elision in one of them fancy functional language things
 
@DeadMG Well if you know all inputs, you can prove most things.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perhaps it's some sort of "pattern matching on your username" hat, going with the "I go to space regularly" theme...
 
oh
 
Xeo
What are you talking about?
 
10:17 AM
Not that Yeager went to space "regularly" per se, but certainly more regularly than me...
 
I'm considering
 
Anyone else got "Ghost of Winterbash Past"?
 
if you imagine say, a simulation with a list of units, whether you can prove that performing a certain operation on them in parallel is safe
so I figure that it must be safe by default as long as you don't try to read from some other unit a particular value which is being written by some other thread.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah.
Probably just answering really fast.
 
Was Chuck Yeager known for this?
 
10:19 AM
Can someone downvote this for me?
 
so I've been thinking about a system where you have to explicit request like, "I perform a parallel map on this list of units, and I want to read properties X, Y, Z and write property X, and I also want to read property W of random units as well as just the input".
then you validate the request in advance to prove that it's safe.
 
@Jefffrey you can delete your own stuff :)
 
@Jefffrey heh. Done.
 
@sehe what?
 
of course. just not very practical at large scale. at small scale compiler have been doing this for a long time
 
10:21 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes TIL
@Jefffrey Since you needed help finding the downvote button, I assumed it said "You can not vote for your own posts"?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG As long as W is distinct from either X, Y or Z, that doesn't seem to need anything special
 
I agree.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Chuck was the first pilot to travel faster than sound.
 
and what I was thinking is
it must fundamentally come down to roughly the same thing as elidiing copies in Haskell.
because it's all about whether or not other people could observe your writes.
 
@sehe Nope, it's because I want the "Frosty the Snowman" hat ;)
 
10:23 AM
@Jefffrey why downvote? good teaching moment right there!
 
the real pity is, I couldn't imagine how to do it in C++ (or Wide for that matter, at least right now), but the Lua version is relatively simple.
 
Does anyone here have a hotline to the Committee? I'm trying to figure out stackoverflow.com/questions/6009278/… — a question that's been abandoned without good answers for a year now, and basically comes down to "read the Committee's mind".
 
@Xeo Imma read that first, I think.
:)
 
Xeo
@DeadMG What writes? :P
 
@starmole like what?
 
10:24 AM
Oh yeah! Love my pipe!
 
well if you elided a copy, you'd elide it into an in-place mutation, which would be a write.
 
@Jefffrey oh well
SO is not a gaming system at all, turns out
@Quuxplusone Having that hotline isn't going to change much. Unless you also find someone to reiterate that discussion and explain too
 
<-- I'm Cat :P
 
Sorry, I cannot connect to the Committee's mind.
 
@sehe well yes. Hopefully someone on the Danish national body. ;)
 
10:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have all the hardware to do so!
 
The question is basically WTF were they thinking when they resolved open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/cwg_defects.html#1148
 
@Jefffrey I don't know... the fact that variable are just values in memory. What pointers are? I hate downvoting confused people.
 
@starmole Don't you know downvotes are shorthand for expression "I know more about programming than you"?
 
@jalf So what are upvotes shorthand for?
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user1804599
10:33 AM
So I got a new mouse and I downloaded the driver and it asked me to reboot my computer. *delete*
 
hello
 
You deleted your mouse?
 
Hmm, mice need drivers?
 
@rightfold The hell you need drivers for a mouse for?
 
user1804599
I deleted the driver.
 
10:34 AM
naw. even thinking about the confused guys question is interesting. why would the ide of all things complain? are there cases where self assignment would be valid and useful?
 
@rightfold "I downloaded the driver" - that didn't happen to me in ... 5+ years
 
user1804599
@Insilico It has a million configurable buttons. vOv
 
Is it one of those 256-button mice that needs special drivers and crap?
@rightfold Ah I see.
 
user1804599
I’m donating the mouse to my colleague.
 
@rightfold installers do that just to be safe. just ignore it
 
10:34 AM
@jalf Oh come on, now. That question sucks. It's in the form "Oh noez, why can I do (*this).something? Iz fugly :(". /cc @starmole
 
@rightfold so you continuously press random ones. Makes sense. Nice for cybersex maybe
 
My mouse has three extra buttons and works without drivers.
 
user1804599
@sehe Wii Remote is better.
 
@Jefffrey So downvote it. I dont' see why you need the entire room's combined efforts to downvote it enough
 
10:36 AM
@jalf I can't downvote because of an hat I want to get, I just asked for 1 downvote (the one that I would have casted if not hats were in danger of being lost).
 
@Jefffrey aw, muffin
 
and yes, I'm a hat whore
now you know it
 
@Jefffrey Sigh.
 
Have you considered maybe not downvoting if you're not willing to fucking downvote it?
You need to make up your mind. Is downvoting the most important thing on the planet, or are hats more important? Then do one or the other.
 
JBL
Hats obvioulsy.
 
10:37 AM
And maybe you'll just have to accept that if you go for the hats, then some question may go undownvoted
As shocking as it may seem, the world might just be able to survive that
 
are you.. okay?
 
@Jefffrey the hat won't probably fit your dino well anyway ;0
 
Yes?
 
oh fuck it's 11:38 already
god dammit
 
that's what I said when I woke up just now
 
10:39 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't get few enough buttons on my mouse. A wheel is all I like. A (multi)touchpad is fine too
 
So which hat is it?
 
Xeo
Just 11:39? Ugh
 
user1804599
Touchpads are nice.
 
Xeo
I wanna go home and sleep
 
@jalf Frosty the snowman
 
10:39 AM
@sehe a touchpad on your mouse? :)
 
@Xeo nanana I am not going to work today
 
It's a stupid goal for an hat imho
 
OTOH I will have to finish my business intelligence assignment
 
Xeo
Well fuck you. Or rather, fuck customs.
 
> business intelligence
 
Xeo
10:40 AM
It's only because of them that I was awake so early and forgot my headphones
 
@Xeo Trying to get drugs across the border?
 
@Insilico it's about statistical big data analysis
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes No.
Other stuff
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Don’t do it.
 
user1804599
Don’t leave us.
 
user1804599
10:41 AM
:(
 
@Xeo I had to go pay taxes and pick up my screen I bought from Korea at the customs office, too.
 
@rightfold I have classes at 12:15 :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Loudness Races In Orbit
4
 
@BartekBanachewicz nanana me too, but I'm going to skip it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, okay.
 
10:41 AM
and then I had to carry the 27" screen back home without a car :D
 
Xeo
@melak47 My package was roughly the same size
 
Where's the customs office?
 
@BartoszKP yeah, I know :<
 
@melak47 haha coding horror style? :)
 
@melak47 carrying it with a car would be harder ;0
 
10:42 AM
@BartoszKP ._.
 
@BartoszKP hmm I could perhaps
 
Xeo
Customs was apparently too blind to find the receipt right on the package.
@R.MartinhoFernandes everywhere
 
Customs office is not God.
 
@Jefffrey what do you need to do to get that one?
 
@jalf A day without downvoting.
 
10:43 AM
only cast upvotes for a day
 
TIL I learned about the principle of explosion.
 
@Jefffrey - That hat was made specially for your dinosaur. — Maroun Maroun 1 min ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't know that story
 
lol
 
Cute, "I want to downvote, but still be rewarded for not downvoting"
 
10:44 AM
yes, it's stupid
 
I'm sure that is exactly the spirit in which it was intended
 
@Insilico lol, didn't know this name
 
@melak47 actually didn't expect so many people search for that one
 
10:45 AM
@Jefffrey If you want the hat so badly just take a note of all the questions you want to downvote and downvote them tomorrow (whenever that starts for you)
 
aaah cooooffeeee
 
@BartekBanachewicz eh, typical Bartek-tabs - SO, Haskell, Haskell, SO - probably 10 more like them around ;0
 
I love my coffee thingy
@BartoszKP one of them is that :D
 
@Jefffrey No, not "stupid" exactly. More pathetic and offensive. If you want your hat, don't fucking downvote
 
@BartekBanachewicz if I knew what it was called or that it was about a korean display in particular I would've known what to search for :p
 
10:46 AM
@BartoszKP It's possibly my favorite logic concept I've found thus far.
 
"entitled" might be another one to add on there
 
@BartekBanachewicz I bet it's related to Haskell somehow :p
 
@BartoszKP and you'd be right :) Not very directly, though.
 
@Insilico I like common knowledge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too. Although it's apparently not as common as one would like it seems.
 
10:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like uncommon knowledge. :)
 
I'm talking about the logic concept.
 
if you like coffee, buy such thing
bestest thing ever.
 
@BartekBanachewicz eww, french press
 
available in ikea for like 10€
 
@jalf Jeez, guys. You are overreacting. I just thought it would be fun to try and don't downvote anything for a day (which is way more challenging that you might think). I posted that message because I thought the question was funny (and yes, so that it might would have gotten a downvote). I (almost) never ask for downvotes in here or close votes or whatever. So what the fuck is the problem? You don't want to downvote, fine. The world is not gonna end, and sure as hell I'm not gonna cry.
 
10:49 AM
that's what you want!
 
I got one like that too
they are more expensive, though
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, like that coding horror post. Except I had bad luck and got one with a yellow tint, and since they have no OSD I have to increase the blue gamma in the driver to compensate :/
 
Ewwwwwwwwwwww
 
@melak47 can't you load an .icc profile?
 
@BartekBanachewicz brb
 
10:51 AM
@thecoshman yes, that's not bad ;)
 
I drink "long" coffee anyway.
 
@Jefffrey I'm overreacting? I'm just calling out your bullshit behavior. You don't have to listen to me, or take what I say personally. You could just shrug it off and continue asking people to downvote for you. You're the one throwing a hissy fit because someone had the audacity to tell you that perhaps getting the reward for not downvoting while downvoting mgiht not be what the reward was intended for
 
@BartekBanachewicz pussy
 
And if you look through my chat history, I think you'll find that this isn't the only time I (loudly) call out behavior on SO that I find counterproductive or destructive. I can also promise you that it won't be the last
 
10:55 AM
rainbows aren't grumpy. but they aren't tasty either
 
user1804599
I want to buy a wallet and a watch but they are expensive. :v
 
not sure, didn't try one ever
 
Wee short hair
 
user1804599
 
10:56 AM
@jalf crusader jalf ^
 
:D:D:D
 
lol
 
my long hair is hanging on the heater in my room since like 2003 ;0
 
you dry your hair on room heater?
 
no, just tied them to a pipe after I cut them ;0
 
user1804599
10:58 AM
Hair is a weird material.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Love it :D
 
I would like an off switch for hair growth
Science, get on it
 
yeah, that'd be nice
 
It exists already.
 
@CatPlusPlus No one is stopping you inventing one. :)
 
10:59 AM
being old? : D
 
Hi.
 
halo
 
Death doesn't count
 
Get yourself a piece of radioactive material and carry it in your pockets.
 
It wasn't made by science
 
user1804599
10:59 AM
@CatPlusPlus Amanita phalloides should stop hair growth.
 
@CatPlusPlus Go get chemotherapy.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Oh, meh.
 
I want to stop the growth, not make the hair fall out
 

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