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user3010322
12:01 AM
@CatPlusPlus Well, Cat, I've failed.
 
user3010322
My computer is now farming LiteCoins. =[
 
Xeo
wat
 
@ThePhD Bitcoins? How many you got?
 
Xeo
Hmm, 1am, I should probably sleep
 
Bit != Lite
 
Ell
12:09 AM
My mom told me off for not forcing her to invest in bitcoins :L
 
Ell
I told my parents about them when they were worth about £7
Told them to invest in them
 
Still a bad idea.
It's not like you can cash in those bitcoins anyway.
 
Dec 4 at 21:38, by R. Martinho Fernandes
A good investment is not something to be judged with hindsight
 
user3010322
@Borgleader No, LiteCoins.
 
12:14 AM
If your parents want to invest in stuff, there's still plenty of stuff to invest around. It seems to me that they don't want to invest in stuff.
They want the profit, but not the risks.
 
user3010322
BitCoins are basically god-tier right now and can only be farmed by Google-level servers effectively. No poor man can make a good fortune.
 
user3010322
Or even a decent buck.
 
user3010322
LiteCoins are the poor man's alternative.
 
user3010322
At the moment, with all of my brother's computers and mine networked together, we're making enough to take our family out to a fancy dinner every week. :D
 
Ell
@r.martinho they do invest, its just our whole family is butthurt because of the fact we didn't invest
 
12:16 AM
Nice
I might setup one of my computers to do this too
@ScottW hey <3<3<3<3<3<3<3
 
Ell
Its just frustrating is all, but no matter
 
user3010322
If you make an temp farmer, use an ATI card.
 
user3010322
The kilohash output of NVidia cards is horrible.
 
user3010322
Intel is even worse.
 
I only have nVidia
 
Ell
12:17 AM
when I get enough money I'll invest in something else
 
user3010322
ATI is actually extremely impressive with its computational power.
 
user3010322
Either ATi is really good, or the programmers for NVidia are just bad. :v
 
Ell
@thephd I tried to mine litecoins but I only have a gtx560 ti
 
The thing I dont like about Bitcoins (and probably Litecoins) is that all transactions are public or something =/
 
user3010322
This is why you have someone else create the account and front with the public information.
 
12:18 AM
> "or something"
 
user3010322
@Ell That's enough to get a few kilohashes going.
 
@ThePhD That still leaves someone's info
 
@LucDanton hi
 
user3010322
12:18 AM
@Borgleader Someone's information has to be in the open. You can't hide everything.
 
user3010322
Unless you're extremely rich, but who has time for that. :v
 
@sehe I didn't read the bitcoin information in detail
 
Oh. Nice. So, after ample consideration, "the thing you didn't like" was... I dunno :)
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus is right about BitCoins: they've exploded into something way beyond what a regular person can handle. Investing early was good, but at this point no regular person can try to get in that pool without getting uber fucked.
 
12:21 AM
@ThePhD Wait what?
There's no one's information attached to Bitcoin wallets.
 
There's many things I don't like about bitcoins. But I can't put my finger on it. Tulip mania comes to mind. I mean, I "get" virtual currency, but something has gotta earn that trust. And "intrinsic value of bitcoin" isn't cutting it for me
 
@sehe All Bitcoin transactions are stored publicly and permanently on the network, which means anyone can see the balance and transactions of any Bitcoin address. However, the identity of the user behind an address remains unknown until information is revealed during a purchase or in other circumstances.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well. Except his/her transactions.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's usually a user account with an e-mail. That's information enough. And then there's more information provided when actual transactions are done.
 
@ThePhD No, there isn't.
 
Ell
12:24 AM
Bitcoin wallets are just an address
No email
 
@sehe How willing are you speculate on non-crypto currencies, industry futures or any kind of financial instrument? If you have any reason not to speculate, does that reason apply to bitcoins?
 
Unless you create your wallet using one of those online scams services.
 
touche
Not a lot :)
So, bitcoins being the newfangled hype it is, is even more unattractive to me :)
 
hipster sehe
 
as soon as it becomes hip to be conservative :/
 
12:27 AM
@ThePhD Ugh don't
 
@sehe 1986!
 
You're going to kill your hardware for tiny reward
 
@Ell Don't call it an investment
It's a gamble
 
Ell
Yeah a gamble
it's the same feeling I'd get from not placing a bet on a horse
 
12:31 AM
And you'd probably sell them off on the first bubble after buying them anyway
 
@Ell sure made an effort to make that look serious
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus yup
 
@sehe Amazing.
 
Ell
but still would have been 50x profit
 
Assuming they wouldn't get stolen because of shitty exchange security
 
12:32 AM
@EtiennedeMartel "you can play with other kids, but remember, you're only cool if you're like us"?
 
And that exchange cash outs would work at the time
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, you seem keen on economics and business practices. What separates a gamble from an investment?
 
@sehe Blatantly racist.
 
@Rapptz Stability. What drives the value
 
@EtiennedeMartel I missed that. The kids pictures used?
 
12:33 AM
@sehe Everything is racist, remember?
 
Oh. I firgit
Er furgut
 
@CatPlusPlus Really? So is the stock market a gamble or is it a form of investment?
 
Eh, in the middle
 
@Rapptz that would depend on the stock and the traders...
 
Depending on your model and assumptions you can demonstrate that the expected return on stock trading is 0. Hence why trading is in options these days.
 
12:36 AM
I don't know where you draw the line from a gamble vs a high risk, high return investment tbh.
 
Ell
I don't think you can draw the line
it's just a continuum
 
Where stability is non-existent and risk is approaching infinity
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Shrug. I have dead computers I'm not using. Reassembling them to churn Litecoins isn't hurting me in any way.
 
@sehe What a straight line.
 
Ell
12:38 AM
@sehe aw snap you proved me wrong :S
 
@ThePhD Are you factoring in electricity
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hey. ! A line can be queer too
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Electricity is cheap and doesn't cost 30 USD a day.
 
@sehe Except in Russia.
 
@CatPlusPlus Certain coins are made to be farmed (basically, every coin except Bitcoin)
 
12:39 AM
Because dinner a week vs 24/7 several PC mining doesn't sound like very high ROI
 
user3010322
It's not a high ROI. But I'm not making a very serious investment. I'm also not 24/7 mining.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even in Russia. Where they get served free food. sent to Siberia
 
@ThePhD But have you calculated it, or just assuming
 
user3010322
This is when I'm not playing games, or coding, or anything else. Basically, when I'm sleeping. Maybe.
 
@sehe Dem gulags.
 
12:40 AM
Goulash () is a soup or stew of meat, noodles and vegetables, seasoned with paprika and other spices. Originating within the historical Hungarian ethnic area, goulash is also a popular meal in Central Europe, Scandinavia and Southern Europe. It is one of the national dishes of Hungary and a symbol of the country. Etymology The name originates from the Hungarian "gulyás" . The word "gulya" means "herd of cattle" in Hungarian, and "gulyás" means "herdsman". The word gulyás originally meant only "herdsman", but over time the dish became gulyáshús (goulash meat) – that is to say, a ...
 
I decided to look at bitcoins over the past 6 months just now
 
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@CatPlusPlus My computers are never shutdown, so the bill isn't going to vary much for the household.
 
I was curious to see how unstable it really was
and it only had 1 big crash in those 6 months
 
@sehe That looks very tasty.
 
Butts go up uP UP
 
user3010322
12:41 AM
Butts are too hard to get into.
 
@Rapptz Damn, that's almost as good as the global economy.
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel Huhuhu.
 
@ThePhD I concur.
 
user3010322
I need CatCoins~
 
anyway if I extend the data to 8 years then there are only 2 big crashes
 
12:42 AM
@Rapptz stability is not just about non-crashing, meguesses
 
well, the typical price looks somewhat stable to me
 
You're the first to report this
 
well tbh it's the first time I've looked
 
@Rapptz Only two? My savings are safe then!
 
I'm playing around with this bitcoincharts.com/charts
you could too, if you're curious I suppose
 
12:44 AM
I just wish buttcoiners would stop wasting so much electricity
 
@Rapptz I was gonna say that the presence of weasel-words subliminally signalled me there would be no need to go and check the facts for myself there :)
 
@CatPlusPlus They should spend it on Folding@Home.
 
Yes, let's look at the 500 USD drop in 2 days
 
user3010322
Ugh WebSockets. u.u
 
@CatPlusPlus yes, that is the "big crash over the past 6 months" I mentioned.
 
12:46 AM
<insert Beavis-and-Butthead sound clip/>
 
user3010322
@Rapptz So yeah, we have a problem when we double-layer the API calls.
 
There's about 200USD swing a bit earlier
 
@sehe eh? Check for yourself, I'm just showing my interpretation.
 
This is not stability
It's not predictable, it's just entirely "will I get lucky today"
 
@Rapptz Your interpretation was more than enough for me! ("typical price looks somewhat stable to me")
 
12:48 AM
stackoverflow.com/users/809387/griwes this hat fits my avatar ridiculously well...
 
@sehe k.
 
user3010322
I don't see the hat.
 
user3010322
Is that a user privilege thing? :c
 
@Griwes We're doing this again?
 
@ThePhD Hmm. Aren't they public?
 
12:49 AM
I see it
 
user3010322
I dunno. I see the profile, just not the hat.
 
user3010322
I only have 66 rep though.
 
don't see no hat.
Unless... it fits R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S.L.Y. well!
 
user3010322
Hm.
 
It's camouflage hat
 
user406009
12:51 AM
@ThePhD You have to enable the winter bash thing.
 
user3010322
This is getting tough.
 
user406009
Its in the big black bar.
 
Oh this crap again
 
user3010322
Ooh.
 
.... not that
 
user406009
12:51 AM
Wow, the hats even work in chat.
 
Fuck that shit
 
user3010322
I don't see them in Chat o_o
 
[Anon says the mlp characters, snips and snails, are sexist and proceeds to make an even more sexist statement] http://t.co/QwFaBkKqoF
 
@Lalaland Shiny.
 
12:53 AM
Ooh there's youtube.txt
 
@Griwes Neither of these starting hats look good on me. :(
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus You really like your .txt don't you?
 
user3010322
Which reminds me, isn't there loungecpp.txt ?
 
@CPPLoungeAsylum, Internetz
most of the fun comes from batshit statements from the various insane asshats that lurk in here.
182 tweets, 87 followers, following 31 users
 
hm
chat bugged for me
I blame your dumb hat.
 
user3010322
12:55 AM
Lol.
 
Ell
The new hobbit Is awesome apart from a few filming and special effects fails
 
@Rapptz ctrl+shift+f5 usually helps with chat derping.
 
Firefox does that
 
user3010322
So @Rapptz I have no idea how to fix this problem. u.u
 
12:56 AM
:(
I haven't slept in 27 hours.
 
user3010322
u crzy.
 
user3010322
You're worse than me.
 
I don't want to go to sleep
So much shit to do
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Ooh, like what?
 
12:58 AM
I don't know
stuff
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Tellll meeeee. u.u
 
I was thinking maybe rethinking Goblin Camp reboot
And there's that auth thingy
And I promised Robot to write him UCD tools
 
user3010322
UCD Tools?
 
Why am I not tired :/
 
user3010322
1:03 AM
I wrote my own UCD Compiler, but I don't have a Segmentation Test compiler
 
Unsurprisingly Crummy and Despicable
 
user3010322
@Rapptz After staying up for a certain amount of time, adrenaline kicks in and your body and mind sort of "commit" to another cycle.
 
@ThePhD sometimes I just take an (involuntary) nap when I should've gone to bed. Then I wake up refreshed and not tired! :D
 
user3010322
@Rapptz So, whenever someone sets a function from C++ to lua, and then calls that function through lua, it uses lua_call, which we reverse the tuple return off, and then we reverse it again from inside the static_lua_function.
 
o.O
 
user3010322
1:07 AM
If someone calls a lua function from C++, it's fine. If someone calls a C++ function from lua, it's fine.
 
user3010322
It's when it goes through the hands of C++ twice that it gets all messed up.
 
why do you need to reverse the return values?
 
user3010322
I can't figure out how to make it detect "this function already exists in C, don't call the lua version"
 
why are you reversing it twice
 
user3010322
@Rapptz I'm not. It's the API we have in place's fault.
 
1:08 AM
how
you're only supposed to reverse in the lua_CFunction
 
user3010322
When we use pass a C++ function to lua, we wrap it up in our special wrappers. Those special wrappers reverse whatever lua_CFunction returns so that it pushes onto lua's stack properly.
 
I'm not sure how it managed to reverse it elsewhere
 
user3010322
The problem comes when we do the special wrapping for lua_CFunction, it returns into lua,
 
user3010322
and then lua yields the value back to C++ (because we use sol::function::call)
 
1:33 AM
> Space Station 13 is a 2D top-down Multiplayer RPG/intrigue/beat'em up game on the BYOND platform/engine that nobody's ever heard of. The game itself is broadly about the crew of the station having to defend themselves from traitors, nuclear operatives, wizards (in space!), changlings, and ultimately other crew members.
This looks interesting
 
Ell
> what if the cure to cancer is trapped in someone who can't afford an education?
I don't like these types of quotes
 
me too
 
> changlings
Eh.
 
Ell
Also. Why do we need more women in the tech industry?
 
> nuclear operatives
wat
 
user3010322
1:46 AM
@Rapptz We need new syntax for the following:
 
user3010322
lua.get<std::tuple<int, int, int>>( "x", "y", "z" );
 
... why
 
user3010322
lua.get<int, int, int>( "x", "y", "z" );
 
user3010322
Why do in 3 lines what can be done in one?
 
user3010322
It's purely a convenience, but I'm writing a test right now and I'm like "man, I wish I had that."
 
1:49 AM
well
it's been 28-29 hours or so since I've slept
I should call it a day
 
user3010322
Lol
 
user3010322
Yeah, you should.
 
@ThePhD maybe another time
 
user3010322
When you wake up, there'll be a new Pull REquest for you Rapptz-kun~~
 
same with iterators for tables
 
user3010322
1:50 AM
Lol, table iterators.
 
user3010322
So bad.
 
user3010322
SO BAD.
 
user3010322
What you need are table RANGES.
 
greatest idea ever
 
user3010322
 
1:51 AM
yeah yeah
 
user3010322
Fucking hate iterators. Fuck all my shit up.
 
>being that noob
 
@ScottW It's zapped already, and I got so few downvotes in today:(
 
user3010322
@Rapptz I ain't a noob. :c
 
okay well
good night
>sleeping at 9 PM
I feel like a grandpa.
 
user3010322
1:53 AM
Lol.
 
user3010322
Go to bed, OLD MAN.
 
Ell
@thephd what's wrong with iterators?
 
user3010322
@Ell Every fucking thing.
 
@Ell it's just the cool thing to hate this year.
 
user3010322
Having to constantly check against an end iterator, having to store all the state on a single iterator anyways, just to make sure it compares correctly against other iterators,
 
1:55 AM
exponential size increase and non-composability of iterator algorithms is a serious problem.
 
user3010322
Fuck iterators.
 
Ell
I don't see iterators and ranges as an equivalent concept really :S
 
user3010322
buffer_view was my first big step towards getting rid of those shits.
 
user3010322
@Ell They're not: ranges are vastly superior.
 
@Ell That's because ranges aren't iterators.
ranges are iterators but they don't suck, in short.
 
1:56 AM
> Now you know how to not beat yourself to death with your own shoes
 
Ell
I don't understand how you wouldn't have to check against an end
 
ah
you have to know whether or not you're at the end
but what you don't have to do is compare using ==.
 
Ell
Right
how do you do it then?
 
take your pick.
I personally right now return optional<T>, which is empty if the range is at the end.
 
for(auto i = range.front(); !range.empty(); range.pop_front()) { ... }
 
1:57 AM
so you can do while(auto var = range()) { ... }.
 
etc
lazy, sleepy, good night
 
Ell
Night
Idk enough about this really
 
user3010322
Legal?
 
user3010322
template<typename... Args, typename... Keys>
    std::tuple<Args...> get(Keys&&... keys) const {
	   return std::make_tuple(get<Args>(std::forward<Keys>(keys))...);
    }
 
Ell
Anyway I need to sleep to
Too
night all
 
1:59 AM
I think so but I haven't done much with variadics recently
 

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