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5:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus /NODEFAULTLIB? Doesn't seem to affect things :/
 
Reading about Y Combinator makes me wonder why every person doesn't just go to them and start a new company with them.
 
Because not everyone is a hipster.
 
user1804599
Because not everybody want's to start a new company.
 
Its tough, but its not like bouncing around different companies in this economic recession is any better.
 
Then don't bounce?
 
5:05 PM
That is, if you get the jobs in the first place since there are like no jobs...
 
(Says the guy that never held the same job for a whole year)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is a concept called "getting laid off from companies"
 
user1804599
lol not finding a job in IT
 
@not-rightfold Uhh, qualifications play a big role.
Entry Level Jobs is unknown to some companies.
 
user1804599
 
5:08 PM
@not-rightfold Yeah, tell them employers about that.
 
user1804599
Ok!
 
user1804599
TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheEmployer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he didn't ask about country
 
@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl If that keeps happening to you all the time, you might be doing something wrong :|
 
5:09 PM
@not-rightfold There is a difference between talking to a girl that sends you conflicting signals and talking to an employer about a job.
 
user1804599
Getting laid in great company.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, not necessarily me. Watch the news
 
@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl I meant unspecific "you", as in "one".
 
Fuck English.
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
Here the news always says there are lots of jobs in technical fields.
 
my bad.
@not-rightfold What country is this?
 
user1804599
The Netherlands.
 
Yeah, well. I am talking about U.S.
 
@not-rightfold They need to fill the spots of the people they just laid off.
 
They laid off the people because they couldn't pay them.
 
5:12 PM
'De scheepsbouwspecialisten zijn hier gewoon niet. Schrijnend met 700k werklozen' - idem voor programmeurs http://www.elsevier.nl/Economie/nieuws/2013/8/Extra-banen-scheepsbouwer-vooral-naar-Polen-en-Roemenen-1347170W/#.UiBwgWpluHw.twitter
 
Ell
we english should use "one" more
 
user1804599
@sehe :)
 
user1804599
Roemenen pikken mijn banen in! NEE!
 
How on earth do I continuously accidentally paste the account link from twitter.com. That site is really enormously crappy
 
user1804599
Use TweetDeck.
 
5:13 PM
@not-rightfold I do on my phone. Completely impossible to just copy a (nonmobile) link to the clipboard
 
user1804599
Do it on your desktop computer too.
 
You think twitter.com is bad?
 
@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl I know this
 
user1804599
@sehe TweetDeck doesn't require a mobile phone.
 
@not-rightfold Oh, wait, then I'm confusing tweetdeck and tweetcaster again. Tweetdeck has the ... silly multicolumn layout right?
 
user1804599
5:14 PM
@sehe Ik zeg gewoon "kurwa ik ben Pools jij racist" en ik krijg een baan met een driedubbele uitkering.
 
user1804599
@sehe It's not silly.
 
user1804599
I can switch panels using H and L. It's great.
 
Xeo
Hm... since my fridge didn't magically fill itself up, I guess it's time for groceries. :(
 
@Xeo lol noob, buy better fridge
 
Ell
@Xeo Again? :O I swear it's every day with you :P
 
Xeo
5:18 PM
@DeadMG buy better stomach
 
@Xeo Uck.
 
Xeo
Your stomach is worse than my fridge - mine just stays empty, yours empties itself even when filled up!
 
yep
it's not a very useful stomach
 
Xeo
@Ell happens when you don't fill the fridge
lol
 
user1804599
5:26 PM
lol
 
SAM
whoa!
 
in the boost::asio daytime thingie example, why cant I change the port that is used by the server?
I assume it has to do with the
udp::resolver::query query(udp::v4(), "localhost", "daytime");
 
@CBenni Can you link to it?
 
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Q: dffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Ahmedou Mousadxcxcfxcvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

^^ lol
 
5:36 PM
Idhafc what the "daytime" does there, and there is no documentation/explanation of query anywhere (the reference about it is simply a list of all members, which helps less than nothing)
 
@CBenni "daytime" is a standard network protocol that operates on port 13.
The Daytime Protocol is a service in the Internet Protocol Suite, defined in 1983 in RFC 867. It is intended for testing and measurement purposes in computer networks. A host may connect to a server that supports the Daytime Protocol on either Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) or User Datagram Protocol (UDP) port 13. The server returns an ASCII character string of the current date and time in an unspecified format. Inetd implementation On UNIX-like operating systems a daytime server is usually built into the inetd (or xinetd) daemon. The service is usually not enabled by default. It ...
The query resolver bits serve to get the server endpoint for that protocol. You can specify the endpoint directly if you want.
 
well how do I make it able to send arbitrary data?
I just want to send binary/text data from server to client and other data back
that shouldnt be too hard >_<
I have been trying to figure out how stuff works for 5 hours now and havent achieved a thing
there are like 500 functions and classes without any explanation to them
 
@CBenni You probably want to use some form of tcp stream then.
 
you cant use UDP?
I thought UDP were better for real-time applications because it is faster?
 
what kind of application do you have? what kind of data are you sending, how often..
 
5:43 PM
probably about 20 times per second, packets of 10-1000 bytes approx
 
@CBenni It has lower latency, but if you're sending much data you probably care more about bandwidth (which is pretty much the same either way and, if anything, tends to favor TCP).
 
99% of packets will be around 250 bytes
 
@CBenni UDP works too, but you have to send and receive your data in chunks by hand.
 
ew
so TCP?
also, why is there no high-level library aka TCPConnection(std::string ip,int port)
 
The main difference is that TCP guarantees delivery and order, while UDP doesn't.
 
5:45 PM
@CBenni there's some tcp iostream thing somewhere in boost :)
 
Ell
@CBenni try looking at example/tutorials
 
user1804599
@CBenni arhrhg string typing.
 
Ell
@CBenni there is
 
user1804599
Have Address type.
 
@CBenni boost::asio::ip::tcp::iostream :)
 
5:47 PM
the asio tcp tutorial is almost 100% the same as the udp one, no help wahsoever...
lets check the examples
 
"No help whatsoever" is certainly an exaggeration.
 
Ell
@CBenni what dont you understand about the tutorial?
(and link it here pl0x)
 
well I dont have a clue what I do about that "daytime" stuff they have there
I dont want to send daytimes, but they use them EVERYWHERE >_<
 
Replace it whatever you want for your data?
@CBenni What did you want them to use?
 
Just sending arbitrary data?
 
5:49 PM
What's the difference?
 
Xeo
daytime is arbitary data
don't stop thinking
 
... that doesnt make sense to me
 
    std::string message = whatever(); // instead of make_daytime_string

    boost::system::error_code ignored_error;
    boost::asio::write(socket, boost::asio::buffer(message), ignored_error);
I don't see what's so confusing about this.
There you go, "arbitrary data".
 
well how do I change the port then?
 
Xeo
You're too focused on what's written down.
 
5:51 PM
12 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
The query resolver bits serve to get the server endpoint for that protocol. You can specify the endpoint directly if you want.
 
posted on September 09, 2013 by Eric Battalio

A few minutes ago, Soma announced the Release Candidate of Visual Studio 2013, .NET Framework 4.5.1 and Team Foundation Server 2013. Also announced was the Virtual Launch date – November 13th, 2013: The RC release is the next big step toward the release of Visual Studio 2013. Today I am also excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 will RTM at Windows 8.1 GA and the Visual Studio 2013

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Xeo
wheee
 
Ooh
 
An endpoint is an address+port.
 
yay
 
5:51 PM
@CBenni boost::asio::ip::tcp::iostream server(tcp::v4(), "123.45.67.8", 910); server << "hello"; server.flush(); //done
@Feeds yayy
 
@melak47 yeah tcp::iostream does that
udp::resolver didnt
ima use tcp::iostream then
 
Xeo
@melak47 I wouldn't get too hung up on tcp::iostream, it only allows synchronous work :(
 
uh oh :)
 
@CBenni Yes, it does :S
 
@Xeo it was fine for the one thing I used it for :D
 
5:53 PM
The udp resolver does the same magic that iostream does to resolve the endpoint.
The constructor of tcp::iostream takes resolver query parameters...
 
@melak47 what does flush in that context mean?
 
hello
 
Crap, I need 4GB of space more.
 
@A.H. makes sure the iostream goes and sends all the stuff...I think. :D
 
Bye bye preview.
 
5:54 PM
like overriding the Nagle algorithm ?
 
@Xeo Last time I tried to install the preview, it required Internet Explorer 10. Is that still the case?
 
Hm.. VS2013..
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Guess so?
 
@A.H. Not really.
 
stop ddosing the downloads page guys :(
 
5:55 PM
But the stream doesn't write down every byte as soon as it gets it, I would assume.
 
@Xeo Because for some reason, I cannot install IE10 at work. And for a different reason, I cannot install IE10 at home.
I guess I'll stay with VS2012 then.
 
Ell
3D art is hard
art is hard
 
I have my first university class in 90 minutes.
 
It has an internal buffer, and flush guarantees that the contents of that buffer are requested to be sent.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it waits for newlines. or something. or was that the horrible java thing... I don't know anymore
 
5:56 PM
@chris It'll probably suck.
 
Ell
@chris woo!
 
@FredOverflow Yeah, two lectures repeating uni metastuff.
 
@FredOverflow I think it's only for the express and web version. but id have to look at the requirements page again
 
Ell
I have my first university class in NaN minutes.
 
@melak47 I would assume it waits at most until the internal buffer fills.
 
5:56 PM
Maybe a tiny bit of content toward the end.
 
gahh, I can't get to the downloads page. can someone paste the direct link for the ultimate RC english download?
 
Ell
@chris what course?
 
> Also announced was the Virtual Launch date – November 13th, 2013:
What is a virtual launch date?
 
So how buggy is it?
 
5:57 PM
@Ell Linear Algebra, then Circuits.
 
> Support for the C++11 explicit conversion operators, initializer lists, scoped enums, and variadic templates.
Oh, so VS2012u3 doesn't have variadic templates? :(
 
Only the CTP.
 
@chris no, the dl link...the page is not loading for me :(
 
@FredOverflow Nah, pay for it, bitches.
 
@melak47 Web or other one?
 
Xeo
5:58 PM
I wonder if and how much 2013 will cost
 
@chris the iso please
 
You wonder if? lol
 
lol
yeah I'm pretty sure it'll cost something
 
your soul at the very least..
 
5:59 PM
no, that's Linux.
 
@chris yes! thanks!
 
Ell
I managed to get linux working, and I don't even have a soul. Must be some kind of payment processing error...
 
Dumb buttons that try to hide the link.
 
@Borgleader The express version does not require IE10, but it only works on Windows 8.1 :(
 
6:02 PM
Expression?
 
@DeadMG did they take your soul too ?
 
Express?
 
@A.H. Nah, I uninstalled before they could suck it out.
 
maybe it makes expressions
 
It seems the only version that works on Windows 7 and does not require IE10 is "Microsoft Visual Studio Test Professional 2013", whatever that is.
 
6:04 PM
@FredOverflow It's a test version.
 
So.. how big is VS2013?
 
JBL
Meh, VS 2013 RC didn't make it to MSDNAA yet.
 
> Visual Studio Test Professional 2013 is ideal for testers, business analysts, product managers, and other stakeholders who need team collaboration tools but not a full development IDE.
 
JBL
(Preview is available though)
 
@Rapptz iso is 2.9GB
 
6:04 PM
@Rapptz Dunno, the installer won't tell me.
@JBL Why would it go to MSDNAA? It's free for everybody.
 
@JBL Does it make a difference? The RC is free anyway.
 
user1804599
VS now featuring remote control!
 
maybe msdnaa has better download speeds :)
@not-rightfold huh?
 
user1804599
RC :v
 
It said I needed 8.76 or something gigabytes of space.
 
JBL
6:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno, I mean, isn't it like, you can use it while its status is RC, and then you must pay (like, activation and shit) when it"s finally released ?
 
@chris uncheck ALL the boxes :D
 
Xeo
@chris Guy, you need another HDD if you had to kill preview for that
 
who needs mfc and all that crap
 
8.80 before going anywhere.
 
JBL
I'm completely ignorant about this.
 
6:05 PM
@Xeo I have a 60GB SSD.
 
Xeo
Only that?
Bad idea
 
@JBL Well, that goes the same for MSDNAA. When the RC is over, you need to download the real thing.
 
And a 750GB HDD.
 
@melak47 I don't think MSDNAA exists anymore. It's called something else now.
 
DreamSpark.
 
6:06 PM
right
 
But I like putting programs on the SSD if I can help it, and I don't need Preview with RC.
 
@FredOverflow dreamspark...something
 
JBL
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmmh, right (brainfart there...). Well, I think by the time it's released, I won't be able to get anything from MSDNAA anymore :(
 
There, 6.61GB with nothing checked.
I need to clean up my SSD anyway.
 
@JBL I had an email at my local university when I was still in school...they didn't terminate my MSDNAA access for like 3 years after :p
 
JBL
6:07 PM
@melak47 Oh that's cool.
 
I hope RC starts about as quickly as Preview. That leap from 2012 was insane.
 
35 minutes to download :(
 
JBL
I'll see how long it goes before they revoke my access :)
 
@JBL sadly, all that means is that I have a bazillion winXP student license keys.
also vista.
 
@melak47 lol
 
6:08 PM
I have a DreamSpark account, but I doubt I'll use much of it.
Yay for people giving students free stuff!
 
JBL
@melak47 Good thing I'm young then. Mine will be VS201X, Win7, etc (I couldn't care less for Win8 though ~~)
 
I wonder if that was flagged for them threatening to Falcon Punch someone in the balls.
 
lol I'm not old :p
 
It's a huge big bunch of awkwardness in there.
The C# room is weird.
 
@FredOverflow Wow, screwed either way
@EtiennedeMartel The C# room is like Laval, never go there :P
 
6:10 PM
@Borgleader In related news.
Ha, I managed to get a starred message in the C# room.
 
JBL
@melak47 Well you get what I meant, younger ! :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'll bookmark and watch it later, I'm in class doing some OpenGL
 
In other news, Lucian is getting a free week starting tomorrow.
 
Does anyone here actually have an MSDN subscription?
 
what's MSDN?
 
6:15 PM
MSDNAA yes :P at least until december
 
@JBL I'm in university, I jus tused to have an email there before I went there
 
JBL
@melak47 OIC, was completely wrong then.
 
my download is taking forever ._.
 
@Rapptz dreamspark doesn't like my university
 
@A.H. maybe they don't pay them enough? :)
 
6:20 PM
@Crowz Oh dear.
 
who uses software? Psh.
 
@Borgleader I'll try the Express for Windows, maybe it is an error that it only works on Windows 8.1?
The Test edition is bull crap, it doesn't even come with an IDE.
 
@FredOverflow lolwut?
 
> Seriously guys stop beating on the people who write the software that makes the MS software ecosystem work.
 
6:25 PM
I don't even know if I have IE10
I haven't touched IE.. in ever.
 
Xeo
Ugh, forced corporate IT policies
 
@Rapptz You will now! Muhahahaha.
 
Xeo
Good thing we don't have that.
 
seriously though why do they require IE10 ?
like what could they possibly do
 
Xeo
VS-internal browser, likely
 
6:26 PM
In today's utmost important news:
 
can't they just use default browser
 
doesn't IE have like a library version ?
 
@Rapptz Looks nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder who's making all these decisions. I have a hard time believing you can be a competent enough engineer to work at Microsoft and yet still make these insane design decisions.
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Q: Determine if a memory location changes value

AbhijitIn Windows (both 32 and 64 bit), through program (C++) is it possible to determine if a certain memory location has changed? I am trying to extrapolate the concept that we see in Visual Studio where we can set data break point. Use Case: I understand its a dirty hack, but the fastest to implemen...

> Use Case: I understand its a dirty hack, but the fastest to implement to be re-implemented later
WTF that's not a use case.
 
6:29 PM
It is now.
 
> Use case: I need to do this.
 
or more often "You need to do this."
 
user1804599
@Rapptz I like the former.
 
@Rapptz I liked the old one better.
 
user1804599
The latter looks like Windows 8 with a gradient.
 
6:38 PM
Oh, there is an offline installer for IE10? Excellent. My windows system has no Internet connection.
 
user1804599
> If you missed the preview, here are some of the cool things in this release for C++ developers: C99 library support.
 
What cool stuff is in the C99 library?
 
@not-rightfold C++11 requires the C99 library.
 
user1804599
How is it for C++ developers?
 
user1804599
Oh. :V
 
user1804599
6:40 PM
Why. :V
 
@FredOverflow snprintf?
(VS doesn't have that; well, now it does, they claim)
 
@FredOverflow It got 99 problems..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is snprintf really that cool?
 
@Rapptz Not really, no. But it's the only improvement I can think of.
 
user1804599
Showertime!
 
user1804599
6:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Deprecation of gets!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's some cool stuff in <cmath>
is that really it? :(
 
Oh hey, C11 has static_assert
That seems so out of place
 
Indeed.
 
It's not as useful since you can't do so much statically.
You can use it to document unportable code due to type sizes and so.
 
Xeo
6:48 PM
@Rapptz _Static_assert, you mean
 
@Xeo cppreference says static_assert
 
@Rapptz Macro, probably.
 
Xeo
Guess they have a macro again?
 
Still weird tbh
 
C tends to add new _Keywords, and optional keyword macros in headers.
That way it never breaks code unless you #include the header.
 
6:50 PM
lol _Bool
 
thrd_t!
 
frth_t <- C27
 
@Rapptz _lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tbh the decision seems really bad in the long term.
 
@FredOverflow Fail. Should be _Lol.
 
6:51 PM
That looks stupid.
 
@FredOverflow Wasn't that the point?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Most.Not.Break.Code!
STL would hate to work on C
 
Now you have a bunch of shitty code in thiscase and some in _This_case
 
Xeo
He loves breaking code.
 
Oh.. why is it static_assert and not staticassert?
 
6:52 PM
@Rapptz Meh, creat.
 
C stuff isn't in snake_case..
 
@Rapptz sassert!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes uniq
@R.MartinhoFernandes sissy assert?
 
Well, can't complain.. We're getting Retard_case for Concepts..
 
Since when does C use identifiers with more than 8 characters? That is so not in the C spirit :D
 
6:54 PM
@Rapptz Yeah, ugh.
 
I wonder if there's any amount of bitching to change that decision
 
@Rapptz rly???
 
Asylum seems silent about it.
 
Someone should make a post, preferably not me
Oh @Xeo has access to SG8, he should post.
 
Don't look at me.
Fuck the Asylum.
I keep getting drawn into discussions with idiots.
 
Xeo
6:56 PM
I hope you're tweeting about it
 
A forum I visit had a subforum called Asylum.
 
@Xeo I do, when I find a particularly nice representative piece.
Sadly, some of the madness cannot be expressed properly in 140 characters.
 
Xeo
heh
 
Can't you just tweet twice?
Or how about compressed tweets, is there nothing like that?
 
I'd post about the casing but I feel like it won't get attention unless I post on SG8
Bjarne & Co. seem like the kind to ignore std-proposals
I know I would
 
6:59 PM
@Rapptz I don't blame them.
Ville mentioned once that they thought of making the internal committee discussion lists public, but that this std-proposals thing is a good incentive not to.
 

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