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6:00 PM
@Gordon That last escaping bubble is just perfect!
 
@rdlowrey just saw your messages..... YES YOU CAN
 
@BoltClock naah .. i usually do "bulk ignore" for whole channels rooms
 
@rdlowrey server push and encryption was dropped from HTTP/2.0
 
@Neal same for me
 
6:10 PM
@tereško I am quite confused.
 
user895378
@Baba I think that's smart, personally. The push functionality is in the purview of the new websocket standard and isn't really necessary and would change the spirit of stateless HTTP. And encryption doesn't seem like something that belongs in the HTTP protocol -- we have TLS for that and it seems to be working just fine.
 
must be Shog9 .. or what's-his-name
 
@tereško What's his name?
 
@rdlowrey Good Point ..... this not see it form that angle
 
@tereško don't make accusations you can't prove
 
6:12 PM
 
@Gordon I did prove mine.
 
@tereško i really wasn't trying to be malicious. Im not proficient with the imap functions and was just looking for assistance. How do I fix this issue?
 
he was referring to
2 mins ago, by tereško
must be Shog9 .. or what's-his-name
 
@Neal what @tereško said
 
3 mins ago, by Neal
@tereško I am quite confused.
I am very very confused...
@tereško 0o0o0o0o
Did not get that one.
 
6:15 PM
Well, I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to be a bad user, but apparently that is what has happened.
 
@jkushner The mods don't seem to think it was too bad
 
anyway .. thank goodness for ignore lists
 
@PeeHaa it seems.
 
@Neal downvoted. @jkushner pay a developer.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok? That is not what I was asking for... but ooook then...
@BenjaminGruenbaum try flagging instead of downvoting.
 
6:16 PM
> PHP Version 5.4.5
 
Why? It's not useful, it's not against the rules.
 
> C:\Program Files (x86)\PHP5.5\php.ini
Go home php you're drunk
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum True true.
@PeeHaa hehe rounding.
 
You have a ( @BoltClock ) mod here, although he thinks web design should be done with tables instead of css (Oh why @BoltClock why?) you can ask him what he thinks.
Also @Gordon
 
@jkushner what nobody can seem to tell you is that you shouldn't apologize, you should work on your question.
why not try some stuff and come back to the question with what you've tried
 
6:18 PM
@CarrieKendall DING DING DING DING DING!
 
@rdlowrey how do you think PHP can take advantage HTTP 2.0 ?
 
most of the people in this room will remove their downvote when it fits the SO question criteria, and you're more likely to get a good answer if your question is better @jkushner
 
@Baba Why not? It's just the underlying protocol. PHP is a programming language, the way you handle communication over a protocol is entirely to the person using that language.
 
user895378
@Baba Honestly I don't see a ton of difference for PHP web SAPIs as they are now. PHP basically relies on the web server in front of it to deal with the protocol details. If anything HTTP/2.0 may actaully cement PHP's current response-per-request model. It's probably too early to really say because it depends more on where PHP goes in terms of its web SAPI in the future than the HTTP protocol.
 
Then we have to wait ....
@BenjaminGruenbaum they are related ... eg current web SAPI give PHP a lot of limitations
 
6:26 PM
@Baba That's the SAPI, not the language PHP
 
If I make a function like this

function &mysqlquery($q) {
// do query stuff here
}
it means I can reference it like this mysqlquery()->somefunctioninside();
right>
right?
 
@tereško im working with the code now. can i start asking questions once I get stuck?
 
actually I just realized I have that backwards.
 
@jkushner stackoverflow.com/questions/17553665/php-imap-get-thread-count is a little bit weak on both the question and the answer side. Can you improve it to include some more background in the question and lots more reference in the answer? Else I don't see why we would should keep it.
 
@TheSnooker , don't use mysql_* functions in new code. They are no longer maintained and are officially deprecated. See the red box? Learn about prepared statements instead, and use PDO or MySQLi - this article will help you decide which. If you choose PDO, here is a good tutorial.
 
6:30 PM
Im working with the code now. I really didnt want to come off as someone who doesnt attempt. I just made a mistake.
 
@jkushner yeah, but I'm not ;) I am referring to stackoverflow.com/questions/17553665/php-imap-get-thread-count
 
Oh OK. Hold on.
Right so for that question, i have to find the number of emails associated to a message thread
 
@tereško i'm not using mysql_* ... I'm trying to create my own DB class with mysqli_ but I want to be able to reference the functons inside the class without having to put the classname before the function. I'm not sure how to do this though. The "&" operator confuses me..
 
I think though that the newer question I put a bounty on will answer that question because i can get a count of the inner array messages
 
then stop abusing it
 
6:34 PM
I want to be able to do something like this..

class mySQL_class extends mysqli {
function &doQuery($q) {
////
}
}

and then call "doquery" like this doquery($somequery); without the need to create a new instance of mySQL_class
not sure how do that.. maybe I need to make it a static function?
 
@TheSnooker Why aren't you using PDO?
 
because I'm not using PDO
I'm using mysqli
 
im working through the code. i thought i could ask questions on here. I'm sorry man. I don't just use peoples code without understanding. I just haven't had much time to spend with the imap functions and they arent the easiest functions to work with.
 
"Because I'm doing Y and not X" is not an answer to "Why are you doing Y instead of X"
 
@Gordon can we look at the newer code? Id like to walk through it and try to understand a few bugs i have
I dont want to waste anyones time
 
6:38 PM
@jkushner I am quite busy atm. so all I'd like to know right now is whether you will improve the Q&A on that. Otherwise I'd suggest to delete the whole thing.
 
Ill do anything to get some help with this. Just tell me what I have to do because its not only in the negative but also there was an answer and that got removed.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't really have an answer to the "WHY" I just arbitrarily decided to use mysqli a while back and have been using it ever since.
 
What should I do?
Im not very good with speaking
 
K Ill update that now
 
isn't IMAP stored as XML?
the metadata about a given message and all that stuff?
@jkushner I thought it was.
 
@Gordon sort of. If I can get that one to work Id have the count. Maybe I should delete the prior email and then we can work on the newer one
 
>.>
 
Im trying to be as complacent as possible. I'm a good guy, I don't just come here looking to have someone write me code. I just have come across a set of functions im not understanding
 
6:42 PM
K Doing that now.
 
@jkushner thanks
 
I need to update the question with the bounty to add in new code
First, what should I do? Should I reword the question?
Include the bugs im having?
 
@jkushner Go through meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/156810/… and then edit the question.
 
K Thanks
 
@LeviMorrison A. isn't an option (it's too 90'ish)
I find C. to be a bit more useful, because it provides the breadcrumbs above, and you can easily go up the levels (sure, it exists in B, but it's clearer and more obvious in C)
 
6:49 PM
@MadaraUchiha how does anime.SE deal with spoilers?
 
@Hiroto If only a few details of the answer/question contain spoilers, wrap it in a spoiler tag.
If the entire question is about a late event (or manga-specific event), we ask the question normally
And try that the question title will be as informative as possible (to make sure it's clear that the question is spoilerish for people who are early in the series).
 
@Gordon I updated it. Can you tell me if you need more information?
-2
Q: PHP imap_thread showing multiple message threads of same message

jkushner1./ My question is the following: How can I create a multidimensional array, with each inner array containing an array of related messages. What I consider to be a related message is for example an email and a reply to that email. 2./ I found this bit of code which I am going to attach. I did no...

I can start working through the code and figuring out more questions I could have?
for example, i think this is problematic:
foreach ($emails as $email) {
if(array_key_exists($email->uid,$rootValues)){
$root = $rootValues[$email->uid];
$threads[$root][] = $email;
}
}
do you know why the answer that was posted on there was deleted? Did I do something wrong to deserve it, or did the user just not like his answer?
@tereško I updated my question. I'm sorry for the trouble I caused.
 
7:09 PM
@jkushner Thanks. It's better now. But you could add a bit more information about the output you get and why it doesn't work you.
 
K I will do that!
Thanks so much for your help. I really am a good person, and Im sorry for the trouble I caused earlier.
 
@jkushner There is no need to apologize to me. You didn't cause any trouble as far as I am concerned.
@jkushner the answer was deleted after the OP commented "nevermind - seems I've misread the code. As-is, I can't see any problem with it." so I guess his answer wasn't helpful
 
Oh OK. Well Im putting together output now
 
@jkushner remember, we don't need a wall of code for the output. A small sample that gives us a good idea of the output is enough. Also make sure to provide a small example of what you want the output to be.
 
K
 
7:17 PM
I hate secure infrastructure. I just had to go through 3 servers to get a keepass file. Which I needed to go through another 3 machines just to reboot the last thing :P
 
You've totally saved his question btw
 
damnit the flag bubble stays visible again :(
 
@PeeHaa , i think you have a typo there .. "obscure" begins with "obs-" instead of "se-"
 
@tereško Setting up a firewall is kinda both ;-)
 
@Gordon updated.
 
7:22 PM
There's so much white space in your code it's racist. — Madara Uchiha 16 secs ago
 
@jkushner thanks. on a side note, I'd appreciate if @tereško and @Neal or whoever still dv'ed the question could revoke their dvs. I'm not asking you to uv the question, but given that the OP is willing to improve and acts on criticism, it's not fair to say the question is unclear, not useful or does not research effort. Of course I can't make you. But I can ask you - which is what I just did.
 
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha not exactly. Since black spaces don't exist.
 
@Gordon I've revoked my downvote.
 
@Gordon Surely you can make people do stuff. Aren't you guys armed or something? If not they should provide some guns tools
 
bah, its too fucking warm...
 
7:24 PM
I think you got the wrong site. Maybe you meant to tackle your issue at careers.stackoverflow.com ? — Benjamin Gruenbaum 1 min ago
 
@PeeHaa What load testing tool do you use ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thanks
 
user895378
weighttp FTW -- never used it on windows though.
 
You don't have to thank me, he needs to thank you - you makes a fair question out of a bad one.
 
I was just about to say thank you for helping me.
I wont write any poor questions any more
 
7:26 PM
@PeeHaa well, we got banhammers and … uhh … that tool called "influencing people by providing purpose, direction, and motivation to accomplish the mission and improve the organization". banhammers are easier. dont know why I keep trying with that other tool ;)
@jkushner you're welcome
 
@jkushner It's okay. Learning how to write a good question is something that you need to do :)
 
yup, writing good questions is hard
 
@Gordon If only Shog could hear you now.
 
Yah Im forever grateful to Gordon. G-d Bless you! I was so upset because I love this site.
 
@MadaraUchiha ;)
anyway, dinner now. laters
 
7:30 PM
thanks again @Gordon
 
@LeviMorrison: while C looks cleaner, it looks more auto generated, ie. doxygen... B looks more modern and more in keeping with what you would expect from an online library/KB
A just looks old and worn
 
Anonymous
@jkushner are you Jewish?
 
yeh
you?
 
@Gordon Sorry I stopped reading after banhammer
 
Anonymous
@jkushner Orthodox, Christian.
 
Anonymous
7:32 PM
I like how Jewish people write G-d, instead of God.
 
Half and half is what you are saying? Or is there an orthodox christian?
Ahh.
 
@Simon_eQ What's the second commandment?
 
Yeh, well essentially if i write the word G-d in full and close the browser that would be all hell broke loose
 
Of the old testiment?
 
@Simon_eQ: you wont like how i write it :)
 
Anonymous
7:33 PM
never say G-d's name in vain..
 
@Simon_eQ Indeed :)
 
Anonymous
@bizzehdee then don't!!!
 
@MadaraUchiha Thou shall not write crap questions / answers on SO?
 
I don't know if it applies to typing, but some people don't want to take that chance :)
@PeeHaa shalt*
 
aaaaaw damn
 
7:34 PM
ill do it anyway, system-of-control-invented-to-keep-people-in-line-by-a-group-who-only-desire-control
although i can see why they sortened it
 
Anonymous
@bizzehdee please have respect for other people's faith.
 
Anonymous
I am sure, it does not cost you anything
 
why? Should we also have respect for scientology?
 
i do have respect, your free to believe whatever you want, i didnt say you could not, although you are currently using your faith as a way of attempting to suppress my opinions.
 
baptists wackos?
 
Anonymous
7:35 PM
@PeeHaa respect everyone!
 
No respect is earned not given
 
not sure who originally said this, but i always use it within this style of debate...
 
user895378
<-- Doesn't know who you guys are talking to.
 
i am not prejudiced against any type of people or belief, i hate everyone equally
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa So, two people meeting the first time, should .... what ? curse eachother?
 
7:36 PM
Let's not get into a theological argument in this room please.
 
"Stupid until proven otherwise" :)
 
You're welcome to discuss this in a different chat room. Thank you.
 
@Simon_eQ I didn't say that. Maybe it's a nice person. I don't know
@NikiC :D
 
at the risk of getting banned... (in advance, it was worth it): youtube.com/watch?v=fHRDfut2Vx0
 
@NikiC Or as we say on Stack Overflow: "Indian until proven otherwise".
 
7:38 PM
That's a bit racist; tone it down a bit :]
 
A tiny bit.
I wasn't a racist before Stack Overflow made me into one :(
 
walt disney made a career out of making racist movies... surely some casual racism can pass :P
 
On that positive note, I'm going to repwhore me 10 more points to the repcap
toodles~
 
again, not racist, i hate all "races" of the same human race, equally, especially the one i belong too
i never understood the term racist, all humans are of the same race...
anyway, i need to repwhore 46 rep to hit 2k again
 
Anonymous
Some people just need ....
 
7:42 PM
after over 800 rep was taken from me and i was banned for a week for something i didnt do
 
@bizzehdee Maybe you should talk to a moderator about it
 
@bizzehdee What was it you "didn't do"? ;)
 
But just for the sake of discussion, what didn't you do?
 
i was banned for a week for making fake accounts and using them to rep mine... which i didnt do. someone did, no idea who, but it was not me
someone went on all my questions and answers and systematically upvoted all of them
 
Anonymous
I did the same thing, and was never banned ... this must be a new feature.
 
7:43 PM
and i got the rep took off me, and banned
got a moderator message, and was asked to give a comment back, so i did, and never got a reply from that
 
Anonymous
@bizzehdee No one creates a fake account to upvote 80 answers in your post. Unless you are a celebrity.
 
@webarto Better?
 
@LeviMorrison: its the left hand nav that isnt right
font, spacing, lines
@Simon_eQ: tbh, dont really care if you think it was me or not, i know it wasnt me
 
Yey, rep capped.
 
@LeviMorrison: header is better though
 
Anonymous
7:49 PM
@bizzehdee could be a case of somnambulism
 
user895378
WTF gedit is using 900MB of memory?
 
could be, but then im sure i would have woken my wife if i was sleep walking
 
@rdlowrey Maybe you opened a 899MB file? :P
j.k. sounds weird.
 
user895378
@MadaraUchiha lol more like an 899 byte file. I've noticed this before ... I seem to get memory leaks when I keep the same gedit process open for days at a time.
 
user895378
Some plugin I have installed might be the culprit.
 
7:51 PM
@rdlowrey Stack Exchange chat windows have memory leaks as well
When I leave the same tab open for a day or two, I get humongous memory outputs from it (gigs level if I have 3 tabs opened)
 
user895378
@MadaraUchiha Nice. Yeah my chat chrome process is steady at ~850 MB right now.
 
Anonymous
@bizzehdee need to get me a wife, I can't do programming & housework at the same time.
 
Anonymous
It's shitzu
 
user895378
Time for a browser close.
 
@rdlowrey Simple solution
Shift+ESC
Kill the process with the mega memory output
And simply refresh the tab.
 
7:53 PM
To everyone saying 'No' to 'should a controller have access directly to the DB', please back me up here :)
0
Q: Accessing Database Entities from Controller

Benjamin Gruenbaumtl;dr In a good design. Should accessing the database be handled in a separate business logic layer (in an asp.net MVC model), or is it OK to pass IQueryables or DbContext objects to a controller? Why? What are the pros and cons of each? I'm building an ASP.NET MVC application in C#. It use...

 
Chrome will free the memory.
 
need to find me a visual studio 2012 addon that restores the "generate unit tests" that ms removed, but claimed went missing by accident for 3 betas, 2 rcs, a rtm and 2 updates
 
Anonymous
Can't answer any 1 of them :/
 
just skimmed them, was asked more or less the C#/asp.net versions of those questions 5 weeks ago
sorry, 6 weeks ago
5 weeks ago, i started my new job
 
8:01 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum there is option 3, where the domain object (in ASP.NET referred as "model objects") do not contain the database access logic
 
0
A: Accessing Database Entities from Controller

Madara UchihaI'm not sure about how ASP.NET or C# does things. But I do know MVC. In MVC, you separate your application into two major layers: The Presentational layer (which contains the Controller and View), and the Model layer (which contains... the Model). The point is to separate the 3 major responsibi...

Here you go.
 
@tereško That's what I suggest in the comment. That a service should be providing the domain object. It's what I personally do in my code. The static method is there just to make the example code shorter. If you feel like writing an answer that would be welcome too
 
s/providing/managing
 
@Simon_eQ Where do I get this info from?
 
Guys, if web app uses email address as username and a way to communicate with registered users, then should there be a checkdnsrr validation during registration?
 
@Simon_eQ Not really.
I got that information from the answer I linked at the bottom.
 
@tereško If you want to argue the architecture you suggest in an answer that could be very interesting.
 
no, i have no intention to
 
Fair enough
 
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha really? That page has one of the most concise, easy explanation of what MVC really is. I had to read it like 4 times to know what every single thing written says.
 
8:12 PM
@Simon_eQ That's true, it's a very good article.
It provides a full, practical example of how to move from a procedural application to a (very very basic) MVC architecture.
 
@tereško So Ive updated the question as best as I can. I don't know what is proper and what isn't as far as promoting it? Do I just wait for someone to respond or can I say hey check out my question its got a large bounty on it?
Maybe I shouldn't mention the bounty at all?
I dont know. Im not very good with these things.
 
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha Yea. I would say 'basic' but, that is just me. as I have a lot to learn.
But, I think you should recommend it to newbies, if you are ever asked, as I will do the same. It will save people a lot of time.
 
that article actually addresses basics of making a framework , and has nothing to do with MVC as such
 
@Simon_eQ "Find the missing number in PHP" => Why do they want four solutions for that with memory performance tradeoff? There is a trivial (single line) algorithm for that that is both fast and memory efficient...
 
routing, autoloading, templating , concept of front controller , some separation
 
8:15 PM
@Simon_eQ That's what I usually do.
@tereško That article doesn't do that.
It shows you how to move away all of your logic onto a different "space" from the rest.
 
5 mins ago, by Simon _eQ
@MadaraUchiha http://symfony.com/doc/current/book/from_flat_php_to_symfony2.html
 
basically.
Yes, that.
 
are we talking about the same article ?
 
@tereško Lemme check to make sure.
Yeah, that.
 
Anonymous
@tereško I beg to differ, even with you on this subject. It does ... maybe very basic, but a nice into on MVC. It is even written there.
 
8:17 PM
The front controller is a part of the article, sure
But it isn't hte point.
 
Anonymous
@NikiC I don't get it.
 
the "point" is: do not put logic and html in the same place
 
@tereško Exactly.
 
3 mins ago, by tereško
routing, autoloading, templating , concept of front controller , some separation
^ that's how you achieve that
 
Anonymous
have you tried to scroll down, where it even mentions how the front controller is a very powerful component of sf2?
 
Anonymous
8:19 PM
Or must of an sf2 thing
 
emm .. what ?
front controller is not a "symfony thing"
 
Anonymous
All I can say is that, the article thought me very well, what MVC is all about.. at-least the core principle of it.
 
Anonymous
Ctrl + F > "This is a very simple example"
 
and what is the core idea of MVC ? ... hmm ... are you googling there ?
 
Anonymous
Nope.
 
Anonymous
8:26 PM
Just composing my thoughts.
 
Anonymous
I have learned a lot on the subject this week.
 
Anonymous
Separating logic from design, and making a dynamic front controller, by which all queries are routed ...
 
Anonymous
+ a couple in mind...
 
mvc has nothing to do with front controllers or routing
In computer science, separation of concerns (SoC) is a design principle for separating a computer program into distinct sections, such that each section addresses a separate concern. A concern is a set of information that affects the code of a computer program. A concern can be as general as the details of the hardware the code is being optimized for, or as specific as the name of a class to instantiate. A program that embodies SoC well is called a modular program. Modularity, and hence separation of concerns, is achieved by encapsulating information inside a section of code that has a ...
 
@tereško The idea of MVC? I know! I know! To be a buzzword and to be confusing! To be a really simple design pattern you can explain in a single, simple slide yet one people keep arguing about because it has a million implementations and interpretations for some reason. To be misused as a term for MVVM, MVP and other patterns - generally everything that does some form separation of concerns! That's MVC in a nutshell.
4
 
8:29 PM
you separate business logic from interface for interaction with that logic (which is why you controller should not be poking at database) and you separate the input from output
(M, (V, C))
 
Ow wait. That just sounds like it
 
Anonymous
@tereško What are you intakes on this? particularly on the "Cons" part?
 
Anonymous
I would like to know your opinion
 
Anyone?
 
"Code is public" < that is not a con
"You learn the framework, not the language" < that is human error, nothing to do with framewors
and the "pros" are all bullshit
Efficiency - only in short term project with experienced developers, Security - rails .. do i need a better example? , Cost - only in small projects, Support - lol
 
Anonymous
8:43 PM
"You learn the framework, not the language" -- is quite a good argument imho. As you said it obviously, is a human error. But, I would like to tell people who brag about what frameworks can do for you, what they will be giving up also.
 
Anonymous
There is only one good solution to this, first master the language... then use frameworks...
 
Essentially framework is a form of technical debt .. and said debt is mostly hidden. It is cost-effective only in small project, where you can get away with never repaying said debt. Or in medium projects with a developer team that has extensive experience with that framework ... to again avoid repaying debt
 
@MemeCat I have changed my name from Bobby Tables to Bobby\r\nLookMom: InjectionPeeHaa 32 secs ago
 
Anonymous
guess it makes sense that way too..
 
8:51 PM
bah, 16 rep short, cannot be bothered answering anything else
 
Anonymous
@bizzehdee there you go. that should hold you
 
Anonymous
off for a year.
 
woot, ty
 
Beh. Never mind.
 
@tereško What do you do in a large project then?
Build from scratch?
Implement your own MVC (or whatever other architecture) and roll with it?
 
9:02 PM
in large project, you start with architecture , and then, as project continues, extract a framework from your codebase
 
write an app that has a list of all possible design patterns and then have the app randomly choose one for you
 
lol
 
@tereško how do I start with architecture?
 
@bizzehdee $magic = new Magic; $magic->doApp();
 
9:05 PM
ok ... you actually start with project summary, then you write some documentation , then some graphical design, then you get it approved, then you create some usecases and userstories .. etc etc
 
^ Example of a large application ^
 
aha
 
to get a framework, you start by looking at the architecture, that your code currently has, and then, as project progresses, you extract the framework from the codebase
better ?
or do i need to spell it out more ?
 
that architecture term is quite fuzzy
 
@LeviMorrison Looks much better IMHO. Nice job.
 
9:09 PM
Thanks. I have a few smaller tweaks coming in soon that will also help.
 
why do i get the feeling that you have been intentionally pissing on me the whole day, @Gordon ?
it is somewhat annoying
 
@tereško I don't know why you got that feeling. I didn't do anything like that.
 
@tereško Because you desperately need to go on vacation?
8 days left now?
Random question of the day, how many people here have never heard the word "jig" before? In the wood-working or in the general "making stuff" sense of the word.
 
Anonymous
I would advise one person in this room to stop learning :)
 
mostly you will see it in phrase "the jig is up"
 
9:21 PM
Are there some new rules on SO regarding voting?
Why after downvoting one answer my rep. got -1?
 
that's how it has been working for ages
 
Anonymous
Since I can remember
 
Odd. First time I noticed it.
 
@Eugene it costs you a point to downvote
 
Anonymous
It doesn't make sense actually.
 
9:26 PM
@Simon_eQ ? Downvote to ones rep.?
 
@Simon_eQ lol. I like your bio
 
Anonymous
Nope, taking the one rep.
 
Anonymous
@Gordon hehe, little bit of maturity for the big guys lol.
 
@Simon_eQ lol. Well you said same thing as I. It makes perfect sence. It might influence ones agenda to downvote others.
 
9:28 PM
@gordon I'm sure it's been asked on Meta before but can't see it, why are people allowed to ask questions if they can't even be arsed to set a username?
 
I just haven't noticed it before
 
Anonymous
@Eugene I think it is implemented to avoid downvote rampage, but you get punished even for making a legitimate downvote. It's a collateral damage.
 
@Danack because picking a username doesn't make a good question asker
 
@Simon_eQ we are at war mate)))
 
Anonymous
@Eugene I'll let you attack first :)
 
9:31 PM
Not picking a username seems to make a bad question asker.
 
@Simon_eQ roger that
 
@Danack but forcing them to pick one wont make the question better either
 
Anonymous
@Eugene Geronimo !!
 
)
Hmm. Gravatar got new skin.
 
@Danack I guess it also has to do with sign-up convenience. We allow you to register with your Open ID and to make that as easy as possible we just set the username for you. And you can change that then later … or you don't.
so forcing you to pick a username wouldn't really help getting better questions but it would hurt convenience.
 
9:40 PM
@gordon I don't think I have access to the data, but I would put a decent amount of money on: i) Most signups where the user hasn't created a name is from just an email address rather than an openID ii) Requiring users to pick a username would get rid of a significant portion of rubbish questions, as it would make 'good' users 'invest more' in creating their account, and make 'bad users' be put off creating yet another SO account.
or to put it another way
 
I've also seen a lot of rubbish questions from users with <20 rep who have names.
I think I agree that name has little to do with it.
 
I don't think good users that SO wants to have would be put off by having a slightly higher barrier to entry.
 
Anonymous
Most low-level questions are from user123456 and 1 rep
 
@Danack if you think it's a good idea, put it on Meta. I just don't believe it will have that effect.
 
Anonymous
tyranny is SE:
 
Anonymous
9:45 PM
-182
A: Can we have the ability to rescind a close vote before it closes?

Jeff Atwooddeclining -- you can always cast a reopen vote if the post gets closed. Also note that all close votes automatically expire after two days. (and for that matter reopen votes, or any other vote that attempts to reach a threshold -- otherwise, over an absurdly long period of time, say 10 years, e...

 
Anonymous
Shouldn't that answer be deleted? I mean .. it has -182 downvotes @Gordon
 
No. Leave it there for all to see the absurdity of Jeff's decision on that issue.
It was a horrible decision and definitely out of touch with the community.
 
@Simon_eQ what @LeviMorrison said. It's a good indicator of what the community thinks
 
It's a feature we clearly want, and want it strongly.
 
Anonymous
In that case, it is a super idea. Had it been deleted, we wouldn't have known whose idea that was.
 
@gordon thanks for finding that. You're could be right that it makes no difference. I'll sugest changing to $5 to signup instead.
/not sure if serious.
 

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