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2:59 AM
@sam so toskv (Ilie) closes those 9 or so c# questions. image . In the 6 hours that followed that, like 8 c# closed (the rows above them). That is the norm. People have no way of quantifying how effective their votes are outside of tools. It is a blind system
These tools solve that dilemma. The closeDate is in NYC time zone btw
I just started tracking c# closes with a daily summary. If I get 2 or 3 c# people to do batches, we easily double the c# closes everyday.
 
as an historical perspective on Python, it used to close, often, under 10% of its questions. Months of trying not too hard to get a following. Now we have as many as 5 or so Python people using batches on days we push. There are days we can triple the closes. Sure, I am cherry picking days. But we can if we wanted to.
So you could use that info for your write-up
 
3:18 AM
python batch has been out there. Mostly we will be looking at people doing cv3 voting since python looks clean. Java and c# are where the problems lie. We need the guys regardless of their tags to look into those other tags for cleanup
 
 
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Sam
8:05 AM
@Drew Sure thing
 
 
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Sam
10:14 AM
@Drew Do we know what we're going to name the tool yet?
 
 
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2:06 PM
^ close those and objC has no cv3 or 4 left
 
JAL
closed
 
2:32 PM
almost forgot what I was doing. Coder1000 can be intense :p
the worst of objC is in the hive
 
JAL
Hahaha agreed. Thanks for handling that so gracefully
will go through the objc batch, thanks again!
 
well it was 2 meta's, 3 chat rooms, q bans, and serial upvoting, all rolled into 1
 
JAL
2:49 PM
yeah wow
went through the obj batch. Did you refresh the swift batch too?
 
i am in the middle of it. had a java problem with data
I don't mind helping a little guy fruitlessly at times who is struggling to get it right on how to ask questions
but when they start massively upvoting your own Q & A wth?
it takes huge effort to reverse that
 
not to chg the subj but swift had 42 closes yesterday vs a non batch avg of 17
@JAL swift has a new batch
 
JAL
3:08 PM
yes
thanks Drew, going through it now
awesome new close rate!
 
@Serlite can you look at some c# cv4 if I post em
 
Sure thing!
 
at this point c# is our thorn in the side. Then java
I am hovering waiting for that swift batch finished up so I can refresh it
 
JAL
3:26 PM
Just went through the Swift batch, had already VTC'd most of them. Out of votes though, think I made it through every question except for the 2nd to last one
I can do some C# tonight after midnight UTC
 
3:49 PM
@Drew and @Sam, I would suggest to not include questions that get roomba.. (at least if they are old and close to this...)
 
we gotta close stuff. That is what Braiam would always say. Dont close stuff
if a question has no answers, is big time neg net votes, and close to 18000 minutes aging, I try to exclude them
at least from cv2 batches
if a question gets answered (if even not accepted yet) .... and is neg net votes ... here is what often happens... the OP does accepted answer to save face
see, I didn't ask a dumb question, cuz someone answered it
 
In my experience negative voted question that are a week old, hardly ever gets answered.
since there is a mass out of crap out there i guess the few that get answered can be ignored.
One should hit hard the newest questions that are bad (negative vote count) (to avoid answers) and bad question with answers. (with cv count as basis)
 
that is what people are doing. Look where that got us. 8.5k Q in the queue
tags that can't close crap
 
this is because it all to boring to review... and if it was not for roomba it would grow with 1K a day
low-traffic tags does not really need closing...
 
I need more swimsuit pictures
 
4:01 PM
Is 8.5k the actual number? I read at some point that they hid the full size of the queue to make it appear more manageable or something...
 
the strip poker reviewing would be great : )
 
got Ilie to finally chat for the 1st time in a month
idk Serlite. We were about to find out. Then they hid it from the Timeline again. The bots were on the prowl
but I suspect the 8.5 is real. Doesn't really matter. We are kept in the dark, and are cannon fodder. Let's not take ourselves too seriously.
 
Haha, ah well. Guess we just have to do our best and hope that it's working. =P
 
Let's not over-inflate our egos ... one push of the button, they can change the Roomba rules
I would post that in the socvr room, but it may damage people's feeling of self-worth
 
I agree : ), thats why we need to work with roomba and maybe also the other way around (move out) stuff from que
 
4:11 PM
well ya know the trick of unilateral one guy deletes with Roomba. It is slimey
anyone that does that probably has too much time on their hands
 
4:50 PM
batch235 count=20 is in the beehive
b234 too
ryan c# batch to follow in a bit
if we can get java cv3 down to 80 count, that is about 180 questions less than where it was about 7 to 10 days ago
That should be real easy soon
 
5:25 PM
Done with Java 234, 235
 
thx looks like about 30 or so closed
 
JAL
5:51 PM
ios pob 1, 2
 
@AndrasDeak b236 is a zero answer collection of crap most likely. Briefly spot checked them
^java
many of us are vote-less
 
hey @Drew
thanks, I'll check them out today:)
I'm in Germany on a collaboration visit for the week, but tomorrow's a national holiday here so I don't have to prepare with anything for tomorrow
 
no problem. Just driving people to the batches today
 
so what's up?
 
hi @ryanyuyu about to produce a c# if you have votes
 
6:03 PM
right, right:)
 
yep. I think about 30 still
 
I've seen you've been trying to uncrapify java a bit
I'll try to help where I can
 
that is why i was pushing the 0 answer ones. non-java devs can always do those
 
yup
 
I'm saving up a few votes for C# too!
 
6:30 PM
hopefully a lot
 
batch303 count=46 is in the beehive
 
redit_10, for the record, deleting a question which has answers is frowned upon. Deleting a question that has answers that solve the problem is unthinkable. Don't be surprised that @camickr is taken aback by your actions. Users on Stack Overflow sacrifice their time and efforts for free, so that they can help you. You don't thank them by deleting their work. — Andras Deak 39 secs ago
 
right?
 
screw these OPs
 
6:47 PM
I closed a scattering of the ones in the beehive. In no particular order. I'll look at more later.
 
thx. b303b republished. Size now is 28
 
Darn - so many dismal questions, so few close votes remaining!
 
7:02 PM
csharp_batch304 - count 28 - red ones are probably going to be awful
batch304 count=28 is in the beehive
 
@Drew finished with 236, voted on quite a few
skipped a lot of course
 
thx mate
@andras did you see my marketing strategy idea yesterday for c# ?
 
no, I haven't:)
 
Petter planted the seed. I was going to bury the joke but Morgan posted a picture
 
lol:D
 
7:23 PM
@DavidArenburg want some R juice?
 
@Drew hmmm, kind of tired right now, but you can post in GMTs
 
you guys are on top of things. Every few days
 
yeah?
I though the room is pretty dead lately
for the last month or so
 
well 3 times a week I mean. your daily numbers sheet. JAL BR and I have done some voting
we do some behind the scenes arm twisting
 
I only have one CV left (saving it for one final question), threw most of mine into 303b and a bit in 304. (303b should be really short now.)
 
7:27 PM
thank you sir
 
@Drew I was thinking, should be propose to discuss CV-MODs on that town hall meeting meta.stackexchange.com/questions/278882/…
 
I would go slack with BR and put a thing together, like Sam did above, started to at least. Strategize, then take it private to mods and Shog like Sam is
to me, meta is grandstanding and too much peanut gallery. No careful consideration but theatre
 
what Sam did?
 
I think something like a town hall is kinda cool, don't get me wrong. But to me it is more entertainment
 
\Also, I doubt that Shog will do anything without the community general agrrement
 
7:41 PM
I just don't think cursory here is my idea in 20 words with everyone talking at once is the venue
BR and I talked about it at some length on slack. If you want, send me an email (anyone for that matter) seen in the home page of the hive. You get a slack invite. We create a channel, and flesh it out.
-- Sam had it in a url on slack. Forgot it was not here. gh gist is how they do it
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 2 mins ago, by Petter Friberg
@Gothdo, I think it starts here (after me suggesting some naked ladies : ) ) http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/30321482#30321482
Petter real smooth in SOCVR;D
 
7:58 PM
Went through some of the cv3 batch. Out of close votes.
 
@Drew Sent you an email
 
@AndrasDeak You think its a problem?
Why?, we really need support!
 
@PetterFriberg just funny
 
and someone really need to do some think to this review system....
@Drew is one is own, fighting we tag along as long as we can...
 
No, not a problem:)
 
8:04 PM
Petter it was a joke. Unfortunately Morgan posted a picture
 
I thought that was clear, to Petter too?
 
we would catch so much crap for it
 
what is nice with it is that its really a desperate joke, trying to show how boring the review que really is
 
jokes, desperate or not, assume a sense of humour on the receiving side
 
funny for 1 sec as it may be, it is not very professional
 
8:08 PM
lot of people on meta find jokes like this tasteless/offensive/unproffessional/etc
and they don't care for our desperation much
 
hmm you have to much tv moral you can shot and kill but a naked lady is to much : )
 
@PetterFriberg although to be fair posters with tons of blood and bullets are probably also "not professional". But yeah.
 
it's not just the naked lady, but I do admit that this all ties in with the very sensitive gender-related issues in our societies, which doesn't help
 
sure yeah. It's a much more sensitive topic than just "regular" violence.
 
for the record there was no naked lady
 
8:12 PM
mah probably I'm another culture a naked lady in review creates more agitation then a heil comment in chat. I will be more careful
@Drew True just a nice women...
For the record, i never told there where any, just that I suggested : )
 
8:25 PM
@gothdo here or on slack if you want
most of the serious talk is on slack since we are in the middle of cv and prospecting (here)
there is now a channel for sys-design and one for cv-mod on slack
@DavidArenburg ^
 
@Drew you haven't sent me an invite
 
those channels are empty. New. So fill in your thoughts
hmmm, I had slack send it. junk folder?
 
oh, right
lol "SO Shit Shovel" nice name there
 
Tiny dreamt it up. That is not on me :p
I routinely say to people hey invite a mod. idk.
I seem to be the only one saying that
 
it would be great for transparency, but I don't think they'd want to bother with something like this
 
8:32 PM
As I said, I doubt any mod will make any such move without community consent
 
a CM could bother with the conceptual things
 
We will have to make some noise on Meta- a lot of noise
 
but the community moderation aspect is exactly what it is, shouldn't need mods if people were moderating
@DavidArenburg watch out, Drew will take that "noise" literally:P ;)
 
@AndrasDeak yeah, I'm no different you know
take a look at my Meta posts
 
trust me I am not going to meta
barely wanted to give my pagination question
but they answered yesterday
I am trying to paste my comments to BR into the cv-mod channel
 
I am all for transparency. It might as well happen in a cv-mod room idea here
 
@Drew I sent you an email.
 
But since we are on slack, some stuff happens there. Anyone incl sworn enemies are welcome on slack
 
@DavidArenburg yeah. I appreciated the sentiment, but I just thought it wasn't worth the risk. Also my most upvoted meta answer.
 
I knew this will be a controversial one. I'm actually surprised it has a positive score
considering almost 100 downvotes
 
8:41 PM
@DavidArenburg well all the repwhores who read it and think will downvote
 
@DavidArenburg viewed 2389 times
 
Yeah both of us were pretty close to a gold badge with all the attention it got.
 
I was no where near a gold badge :)
@PetterFriberg This is usually what happens when I post a Meta :)
I like to make it contraversial
 
: ), it's all in the title...
 
Well by close I mean "if you ignore any downvotes". But I do think it was kinda productive.
 
8:43 PM
This was my first controversial Meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/256624/…
But I was young and stupid
 
Yeah. My first meta questions were pretty much all duplicates. And some of my first "answers"were NAA.
 
This one was mainly a noobish/emotional one
 
15 score to upvote. That is rather easy
I am in favor of 1 question per day for new users with no urls
 
yeah, I don't really understand why upvote/downvote rights aren't gained with the same rep
I guess they want the gamifacation system to kick in earlier
 
it it great that DV take a little effort
heck I think upvote ought to be like 50 or 100
 
8:50 PM
actually DV requires much more effort than UV
 
15 vs 125 or so. huh?
 
it makes a huge difference though
even when you join a new SE network, you gain +100 bonus, but that not enough to downvote
 
atleast in this case SO is similar to FB only like button ; )
 
you need to actually participate. That should be the case with upvotes too IMO
 
8:53 PM
to me if you can't get some rep with half a days effort you don't vote
 
15 rep to upvote that is 8 edits : )
 
Actually 7, because you already have 1 rep as a new user.
 
batches are in the beehive for anyone I pinged
 
true, its really to low, to easy to influence the system... and the roomba is very interesting immagine a review roomba interfacce... with 125 rep you could choose which question could be deleted.
 
Ask if you have any questions. We are doing a java close campaign
batch236 ... the red ones. No answers. gotta be easy most of them
this one here is not batched, snuck up stackoverflow.com/q/37035308
 
@Drew closed
 
thx I saw
 
batch234c_20160504_1950.xlsx done except the question that I will not close.. : )
 
like it or not b236 is surely represented in the cvq
the one's with no answers any kumquat could prob close
 
@DavidArenburg lol, you really made a tag : )
 
9:12 PM
@PetterFriberg yeah, was a fun prank
Didn't think it will create so much noise though, eh
 
it was not a bad idea, easy to organize them : )
Drew could make the
@DavidArenburg Did they send you an email?, what happened?
 
how about just a
 
@Petr Abdulin: Yeah, rest assured we will. — BoltClock ♦ Sep 12 '14 at 8:50
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah, received life threats from BoltClock
 
@Drew we need to organize them by tag as well, hence we need experts in subject
 
9:15 PM
Petter that would never fly
 
I know, i see the meta : )
 
I love Meta-tags. It is a real pity they are gone
 
Yeah just a attached to them... simple perfect for organization
 
it is a joke idea
 
9:17 PM
come in here and command a bot around
@beehive tag=java
it spits out one line (links) of the worst 5
links are just questionIds
 
with a little bit of Sam and Gothdo why not...
 
there ya go @sam @gothdo that ought to keep ya busy ^
also it can spit out tag stats, like count per day, closes per day, for your tag
 
Sam
Ok
 
@beehive 3k f k
 
Sam
So how would you measure "worseness"?
 
9:20 PM
@beehive tag=java dest=email
it smtp's a list of the worst 20 to your registered email addr
worseness is like now in batches. closeVotes desc, votes
votes without ASC meaning ASC
so the worst crap on the top
but that is just a sys-dev discussion. Another column has an ignore boolean
a team member sets the ignore, it wont spit out
David wants to protect a question, he sets ignore
 
9:37 PM
--
David V were are doing a campaign for closing if you are interested in assisting
our batches are in the beehive
 
10:02 PM
Lynn I have c# and Java in the beehive ^ if you have time
 
10:31 PM
we are running and closing campaigns (due to neglect).
batches are in the beehive
 
 
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batch306 count=20 is in the beehive
 

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