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5:50 AM
@AnderBiguri How's that visa search coming?
 
@LuisMendo Ander sent me a link two days ago. Already signed up. Thank you :)
@AnderBiguri do you mean this very nice answer?
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A: Thinning handwritten characters in MATLAB

rayryengYes.‏‏‏ ‏‏ ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏

 
 
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7:37 AM
@Suever FYI
 
8:05 AM
Did the PM of the UK just quit?!
 
he will resign in october
 
@edwinksl There's probably some law that if you are PM and you want to resign, you need to give your "workplace" a 100-day notice (or something like that).
 
8:31 AM
LOL @rayryeng easiest points ever?
sudo apt-delete-Cameron
 
8:48 AM
@GameOfThrows Hehe yeah I'd say one of them. Shai couldn't stop laughing that he gave me a bounty.
The OPs approach is actually very good. The answer I gave is certainly correct and attributes the accuracy of his method.
 
9:06 AM
:D epic
 
9:28 AM
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A: Which toolbox can perform MIMO system identification in Matlab?

Adriaan Is it possible to perform system identification on a MIMO (multiple input, multiple output) system in Matlab? Yes.

 
9:44 AM
THA FUCKERS
TWATS
@rayryeng yes :D
@Dev-iL porbabyl XD
@GameOfThrows LOL
 
@AnderBiguri does this have any impact on your PhD?
 
I dont think so
my money comes from EU, but I beleive they have 2 years to actualyl deal with the leave thing and leave
so by that time i'll be done
It may affect my postdoc, as the project goes smoothly and they were thingking on following up
that may not be possible
 
@AnderBiguri that'll be a paid job innit?
So you'll just be an expat
 
yes, but a paid job with EU money
which, may not be possible.
Nigel Farage just said that what they promissed in the Leave campaing may not be true
he has no chill, wait a couple of days to tell everyone that you were lieing!
 
I expect them to go economically tits up in the coming years. Pound's hit the lowest point in 30 years
 
9:53 AM
yeah. I cant leave the UK now!
i'll lose a lot of money
 
Good thing is: whisky'll be ridiculously cheap now :P
 
yes XD
 
Hmm, now that I think of it, this might be a problem for me more than for you... I'm interested in PhD positions in the UK
 
Hey, what's up with those bloody wankers?
 
@AndrasDeak no-one knows. Only a 2% margin :(
 
9:59 AM
@Adriaan you migth find difficult to get a funded position
 
@AnderBiguri yea :(
 
Notice education VS vote
 
Oh well, I'll go back to Sverige in that case
Now we wait to see whether Scotland will push for another independence referendum
 
You guys are completely overreacting @ academic positions.. Who said the country where you study has to be part of the same union? We have many students from e.g. Germany, India, Russia, China,....
 
@Dev-iL Money says so.
 
10:05 AM
I think they expect reduced funding in general (due to shitty GBP and market situation) and possibly protectionist regulations like "you must hire 50% UK redisents"
 
@Dev-iL When I started in the UK, jsut after I did, suddenly the goverment (research coucnils) stopped paying uni fees to international (includingEU) students
 
the EU is THE single biggest research funder in the EU
 
this was before the referendum was announced
About academic positions: thats prob not a big problem. But EU funded projects and for Students
it will probably be
 
Well tough luck, now you'll learn to live with no EU funds, just like the rest of us :P
(I think my lab actually has some EU funding though :P)
 
They fucked the Swiss over a few years back; The Swiss announced a ban on mosques (I think), upon which the EU rescinded all funding for EU citizens studying in Switzerland and Swiss studying in the EU. Basically drained Switzerland of EU students, as they get lots more money (and a lot less tuition) elsewhere in the EU
@Dev-iL oh yea, the EU does sponsor some things outside the union, but especially now that the UK voted to leave, they're going to screw them every which way possible
 
10:08 AM
@Dev-iL Its not an apocalypses, but its bad. "Others do bad" is a shitty argument (probably has a very nice latin name as a fallacy)
 
> Europe's leaders will want a joint declaration of a determination to continue - and there will be demands for the UK to set out where it stands on key issues such as free movement, to reassure the 2.9 million EU citizens living in the UK that they will not be deported.
Says the BBC
so no deportation for you @AnderBiguri
 
No, I wasnt expecting that. I m not sad about this because It will have direct influence in my life (it may) its just because its sad
 
@AnderBiguri There was a research published about this maybe a week ago
 
they fucking build the EU, and now leave it when everything is not perfect? They need a marriage couselor
@Dev-iL about?
 
@AnderBiguri I'll try to find it
 
10:11 AM
@AnderBiguri don't forget that "they" is a bunch of stupid people like you and me watching optionally biased media
not the same guys who created it
 
I know I know....
 
@AnderBiguri our own Nigel Farange (Geert Wilders) wants a referendum as well, obviously, but luckily the constitution would need to be changed for that, which is highly unlikely to happen
 
Again, a lot of people voted leave to "fund NHS" and Nigel Farage just said " well, that wast really reaaaaally a promise"
 
France I don't know about, they're mentioned as another potential leaver, but I know naught about their politics
@AnderBiguri the correlation between education and voting behaviour is almost scary in that article you linked...
 
It is indeed
Its practically a linear correlation
 
10:15 AM
> As only one part of one country has ever left the European Community - Greenland more than 30 years ago (read Carolyn Quinn's feature on how they left) - we will be in uncharted territory here.
LOL
 
The fact that Boris is a possibility as a PM scares me
 
@AnderBiguri Trump's twin brother, he looks like
 
He is like
An adult Justin Bieber
 
@AnderBiguri about that article, basically it says that people felt more comfortable/happy when they achieved the same result as others who had the same task (i.e. if you lose but the other guy also loses you feel ok, however any assymetry makes people unhappy/uncomfortable)
 
Yes yes.... unfortunately we (humans) are quite shit for handling things "like adults"
 
10:38 AM
> Second independence referendum 'on the table'
Posted at
12:31
Nicola Sturgeon says a second Scottish independence referendum "is on the table".
 
Argh, just uncovered some undocumented feature which could save me so much time :X
 
11:09 AM
posted on June 09, 2016 by Cleve Moler

What does $\sqrt[12]{2}$ have to do with music? What are equal temperament and just intonation? How can the MATLAB function rats help tune a piano? (This post is based in part on the Music chapter in my online book, Experiments in MATLAB.)... read more >>

 
11:19 AM
hey guys just wanted to ask about the recurrence function in matlab it doesnt work to my end
rec(fun,var,init)
 
@Adriaan @rayryeng I beat you guys by 1 character :) stackoverflow.com/a/34774020/2748311
 
@Agawa001 I don't have that; it's probably not standard
 
ok i just wondered about it, thanks
 
@excaza nice
 
@Agawa001 what about it?
It's for MuPAD and is part of the symbolic math toolbox
 
11:23 AM
In that case I'm sorry, F1 for it didn't give anything
 
it doesnt work to me i said(hope i did it in proper english)
if someone could link me to a header/library encompassing it
 
"it doesn't work" is so broad it's a useless statement
 
it would be nice
 
what doesn't work
you can't run it at all?
 
type rec, get "undefined function"
 
11:25 AM
buy the symbolic math toolbox, like I already said
 
is there some online library ?
 
no
 
alas
 
@AnderBiguri ^^
 
11:35 AM
@Dev-iL bit of a shame they still picture Merica! on the globe instead of the good ol' Country
 
LOL
@Dev-iL about academia.... I just meta guy who lost his PhD
 
@AnderBiguri due to the brexit? Already?
 
what do you mean "lost"
 
he was meant to start in September, the funding agency backed
and took the whole project
I was quite shocked that this happened already
 
What do you imagine will happen to soccer players....
 
11:45 AM
?
 
@AnderBiguri did they withdraw the funding for the project entirely or just his funding because he was an EU/overseas student?
 
12:10 PM
He is a brit student
the withdrawn the project, as a whole
(or I understood that at least)
He was upset, didt want to ask to much
 
12:44 PM
@AnderBiguri wtf
good news for the stock market then
global panic
 
The Ln value equals 8. I tried it but it didn't work until I could found the below solution, but it is a little bit slow. I'm really grateful for your help. — Mr. Noah 1 min ago
I don't really get how his solution works where mine supposedly does not.
 
@AndrasDeak £->EU 1.31->1.2
 
yup
damn, 1 GBP is cheaper than 400 huf:D
now that's depressing as fuck
 
Gold price is 13USD higher than at midnight
4 dollar drop at 06:00 (when the results were in), bounced back in an hour
oh, was $1.250 three days ago, rather stable, went to $1.330 overnight
meaning people ar pulling out of the markets and into cold hard gold
 
1:40 PM
@AnderBiguri just finished revising my answer to the bountied question, hopefully for the last time :) at least now it seems to provide the desired information :]
 
That answer is a quite long distance to my current knoledge in MATLAB stuff
you already earned my +1 :P
Its really good
 
1:51 PM
Now I only need to hope/beg for another vote so that the bounty doesn't go to waste :P
 
on your knees, you animal
how do you know ratbert won't assign it manually?:)
 
He didn't even comment on it, nor when I asked something about the question.. He/she seems to completely ignore my existance
@AndrasDeak thanks :P
 
posted on June 24, 2016 by Sean de Wolski

Sean's pick this week is GetAuthentication by Stefan. I was recently asked about a simple way to password protect an executable compiled with MATLAB Compiler. The customer's goal was... read more >>

 
@Dev-iL want a down vote with that?
 
1:57 PM
@Adriaan If you like - it is said that getting upvotes on answers that look good is easier if you have downvotes
People's internal sense of justice drives them to right the wrong, or something like that :P
And as we all know, +1-1=+8
 
@Dev-iL well yea, but you need a total score of 2 to get the bounty :P
 
...automatically
and also, half of it
 
oh? I thought you needed 2 to even be able to receive any bounty
even manually assigned
 
2:20 PM
@Dev-iL Nice job on that bounty question
Had a few minor comments (of course) :)
 
@Suever tnx; @pathsep - isn't this basically the direction of the slash?
pathsep isn't the ";" afaik
 
filesep is / or \`
pathsep is : or ;
 
oh ok, cool, yeah I'll fix that
 
yea I'll have to try the code out this weekend when I get a chance
I just glanced through it
In general it's a difficult problem
 
regarding the internal classes, this is a good question
 
2:30 PM
It's easy to get if you don't already handle it
because you can get a meta.package and get the ClassList
which already contains meta.class instances for each class
I do something like that for a project I work on
 
What was strange for me is the whole "class discovery process"
This means I probably still don't find all classes...
 
What is that imaging technique?
(DENSE)
 
Displacement encoded MRI
 
@Suever Know this: meta.package.getAllPackages ?
 
I did not. is that new?
 
2:36 PM
undocumented
 
@AnderBiguri Basically with MRI we can measure the displacement of a given pixel (in mm) between any two points in time
 
because you take 2 MRIs?
so, is this image proccesing?
 
No single MRI sequence. We apply an "encoding" of sorts at t = 0 and then decode and image 15 milliseconds later
 
One of the things I discuss in my answer is how I came by meta.class.getAllClasses So I though why not also try it on packages... and turns out such a function exists.. (I also didn't know about it a minute ago)
 
Or is it an imaging technique that reconstructs the displacement?
 
2:37 PM
It's all on the imaging side, so we measure the displacements and then post-process to get other mechanics like strains
 
@Suever so each measurement is taken over a time period, and then you recosntruct an image at time t=something
 
Did you guys work with GigE?
 
MRI is strange like that. WE can encode all sorts of information into the phase of the MRI signal itself
@AnderBiguri Basically ues
 
@Suever My PhD is EXACTLY that, for Xrays :P
 
so in the heart we "encode" when the heart starts to contract and then "decode" at like 20-30 time points afterwards
 
2:38 PM
@Dev-iL I did use them in my masters
 
and do that for a bujnch of heart beats and combine the data to get an image of displacement at each point
then we do that for all spatial directions and we repeat throughout a 3D volume
 
@AnderBiguri I'm trying to hack it a bit at work.... :P
 
Then we do some straightforward post-processing to get measures of mechanics
 
@Suever Thats really cool, didnt know about that
 
Looking for a cool image
 
2:40 PM
Ill read a bit. As the imaging part of Xrays and MRI are completely different (even if hte results look similar) the sciecne there doesnt really apply to me
 
We're working on applying compressed sensing etc. to basically get our scan times way down
 
but yeah, Im triying to image 4D things
 
yea we just manipulate protons, you blow them away :)
 
@Suever In my case, I can use TV regularization (a kind of compresed sensing) to reduce it to up to 20~40 measuremetns for a whole image
works amazingly
@Dev-iL what are you triying?
 
user image
2
 
2:42 PM
@Suever HOLY BANANAS
 
^^ That's what we get out of the other end
 
Ok, question 1
 
@Suever noice:)
 
WTF do you use to render that
 
MATLAB
surprisingly
 
2:43 PM
Is that a heart?
 
Yup
Both left and right ventricles
 
it's a halfhearted attempt at MRI reconstruction
 
but thats a 3D image rendered?
 
pretty good attempt I might add:P
 
@AnderBiguri What do you mean?
WE get a 3D volumetric mesh that deforms
 
2:44 PM
oh
 
that one has like ~50k elements
 
a mesh
but the you rendered it with some fancy method?
 
All of our analysis actually is mesh-free but we make meshes to make pretty pictures
 
@Suever Holy crap: mp_list = meta.package.getAllPackages; mp_list = vertcat(mp_list{:}); mpc_list = vertcat(mp_list.ClassList); => 3633 classes; I only had ~600 before.
 
Or is it just facealohas?
 
2:44 PM
Nah just used a patch with FaceAlpha
@Dev-iL Lol
 
I see...
 
Sneaky sneaky
Basically pretty pictures for physicians
 
I always get 3D grayscale images, and I have problems to represent them in a way that they look "cool"
 
@Suever I think it tried running Simulink on the way....
 
as you say, I need pretty images to convice phisicians
 
2:46 PM
^^ That's more what our raw data looks like
 
yes
Bigger, but yes
however mine doesnt move, so it looses a bit of glamour
 
So in that raw data we get a magnitude image on the left, X, Y, and Z dispalcements (white is positive displacement in mm and black is negative displacement in mm)
So just stack a bunch of those guys in 3D and do some maths
 
@AnderBiguri I got a camera at work that came with some software that is quite bug-infested and isn't supported anymore. I thought I'd just capture the GVSP packets straight from the network (which I still need to test, but I did get it to work on a wireshark capture file)
 
Oh I see
I remember it was shit
 
2:48 PM
someone else did it for me, I just needed to remove some bugs (that came from the examples of the docs)
@Suever nice
My PhD is about doing that in the reconstruction step basically
to get the magnitude image, using data from moments wher ethe image was moved
 
Very cool
 
There's a way to compile some of the Wireshark sources into MEX files; it's a shame that this code is only written for Linux/Mac
 
@AnderBiguri So with hearts?
 
In theory, I start from raw projectiosn and "known motion vector fields" and then I reconstruct the thing
the "known motion vecotors" is a huge assumption
 
haha yea I was just about to ask
 
2:51 PM
but while the objective is lungs
it could work with whatever
 
"normal motion" is kind of not a thing
You should try it on the heart. The heart is the best
 
However, knowadays in radiotherapy, they use them
 
It moves with breathing and it's own beating. Much more exciting than like a brain.
 
you get a 4DCT, and they get "aproximate vector fields" from there
@Suever cool :P
and hard
 
haha yea especially given how slow MRIs are
These 3D scans we do take about 20-30 minutes
 
2:54 PM
lol
 
with CS and some other motion compensation techniques we'll get it down to about 3
 
yeah
a 1/20 of the data or so
 
Reconstruction is going to be a bitch
we'll harness the GPU for that
 
:P yeah, my last year has been that last sencence you wrote
 
Thankfully there are some great frameworks available for all of this
 
2:56 PM
and TIGRE toolbox is really really close to be released XD
Not for Xrays :(
 
but the current CS recon technique commonly used needs an SVD. That's a bitch.
 
Hum, arent there around other methods?
 
Basically the least parallelizable thing ever
There are and that's what we're going to explore
 
Iknow I just do TV (wich is still L1 norm, thus somehow CS) but I dont need SVD
 
Currently people use the SVD approach and there is some crap MATLAB code to do it
I left it running for 24 hours and it still wasn't done with one image
That is when I gave up on that
 

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