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11:00 AM
@Amy good!
 
so right and wrong is subjective?
 
there is another principle and that says you need to "earn respect" too :)
 
or is it objective
 
@sekhr you are talking about group dynamics and peer pressure here. If the mass decides something is wrong, it'll punish people for doing it. Every animal does the same.
 
user47589
It's mostly subjective.
 
11:01 AM
yeah they are subject at "individual" level but not at conscious level
 
Nothing 'true sense' about it.
A society can well decide that killing people is completely fine if they eat pork (see ISIS), while other societies will think those (= the members of the other society/ISIS) are dangerous nutjobs
 
hey let me give some christian example to even out the table here
 
yeah animals might do it but humans have a little difference here ,If we really want to maintain that difference
 
@sekhr no we don't. It's exactly the same and every animal that operates in groups does the same.
 
a society can deem it right to go on crusades and murder a bunch of jews but others can see it as a bunch of nutjobs :^)
had to do it as to not be labeled as hating on islam in this channel
 
11:03 AM
@misha130 yes.
 
I am not getting why you all special cases are universal cases
 
@misha130 yeah which is why I brought the old testament up earlier ;)
 
why you all seeing a special cases as universal cases
 
@sekhr you are arguing about universal cases mate. I'm just explaining to you why you are wrong. This isn't even a discussion.
 
yeah and you are suggesting special cases in response saying ,there are people ,yeah I agree there are people but still not all who will kill
 
11:04 AM
You are arguing that 1+1=3 in decimal, and I'm telling you that that isn't right.
 
by your theory they shouldn't be there at all
these special cases, how do you think they become to fruit? why do they exist
 
@misha130 this @sekhr
 
I notice the MSDN docs mentions-
public static IEnumerable<TResult> Select<TSource, TResult>(
this IEnumerable<TSource> source,
Func<TSource, TResult> selector
)
Is the above not mentioning the return type of the function that it calls Func?
 
the special cases proof that your 'theory' doesn't work/doesn't exist.
also calling an entire society a special case isn't exactly...correct.
 
user47589
@barlop Select<TSource, TResult>
 
user47589
11:06 AM
the type is specified.
 
look mate happiness is not in forcing you to believe in me "any how" .happiness is about living happily even having difference of opinion :)
 
@sekhr I could also bring up the fact that the US think that killing someone for their crimes is good while most of Europe would agree, that that is insanely stupid because human make mistakes and you might end up murdering an innocent.
Again, two societies doing completely contrary stuff.
 
user47589
Did you mean to say that most of Europe would disagree?
 
i dont even believe in happiness to be honest, but thats a different discussion
 
@sekhr this isn't about happiness, or forcing, or believe. This is about a fact that you have wrong.
 
user47589
11:07 AM
@SteffenWinkler why is it important to convince him he's wrong?
 
@misha130 God always give you a freedom of choice ,If few made wrong choice that doesn't make them right :)
 
@Amy in the sense that most of us don't think that killing someone for their crimes is ok.
 
but you said you arent religious...we were tricked..
 
@Amy because he might end up spreading this non-sense to others.
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler so? he has that right. please settle down.
 
11:08 AM
@Amy uh no he doesn't, or at least he shouldn't.
We, as a species, have far too many problems to have people running around with lies in their head.
 
6 degrees C and it isn't even winter yet...my ass is frozen!
 
@sekhr new java does support multiple inheritance.
 
the best way to stop something wrong from spreading is to let it be heard @SteffenWinkler
 
for me killing any innocent is wrong and its a universal morality ,rest its uptu you to decide whether I am right or wrong .
 
11:08 AM
@NicolásCarlo no see, we already had summer ;)
 
user47589
okay then
 
@Amy But if the second type parameter passed to source i.e. Tresult, is the type for the Func(Func being the second non type parameter passed to select). Then why is it that for the first non type parameter passed to Select, i.e. 'this IEnumerable..' the type is there (IEnumerable), but not for Func?
 
user47589
Please take the right/wrong discussion to another room
 
IS JAVA WRONG
IS C# RIGHT
 
@SteffenWinkler we got winter coming up soon but friggin 6 degrees in april is just wrong
 
11:09 AM
@sekhr no it isn't 'universal morality'. Or well, travel to Iran, say that Allah does not exist and explain your 'you can't kill me because universal morality tells you you can't' stuff to them.
 
hahaha you guys are fun ,thanks for making it light @misha130
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler take it to another room, now
 
@Amy okok mom ;)
 
 
11:11 AM
Dear @SteffenWinkler ,again I'm saying if few people doesn't fallow it that doesn't make them right .
 
@TomW lol
 
user47589
@sekhr you too. take it to another room. no more warnings.
 
Descartes was the coolest philosopher
and nietzsche married his horse
 
descartes's horse...how old was that horse?!?!?!
 
lol no, neitzsche married his own horse
 
11:12 AM
its weird that in this thing i'm worried about the horse's age...
 
Hi guys, im working on a regex to match evertything between 2 strings
 
@misha130 Kindly respect the warning ,lets get back to "right topic" for this room :)
 
I made the regex like (?<=QZY)(.*)(?=YZQ)
 
good morning, creamcheese or no creamcheese, that is the question
 
11:13 AM
its just philosophy...
 
user47589
@barlop i dont understand what you're asking
 
nd it matches everything between QZY and YZQ
that's fine with me, but now I want to include the QZY and YZQ in the match
can anyone help??
I tried this (?<=[QZY])(.*)(?=[YZQ]) but it leaves out the Q and just returns the rest
 
@tweray why would you not
Unless you're lactose-intolerant
 
sore throat
 
oh...creamcheese and then straight up whiskey shots then
 
11:14 AM
Does that make a difference?
 
like from QZY123456 YZQ the regex gives only ZY123456 YZ
 
3 more days...3 more days...3 more days!!!
 
user47589
unless its Groundhog Day
 
@Squiggle yeh that's right ... so public is probably a good idea ... but it depends on context I suppose (is there functionality in the animal class that any consumer of any child type should not know about ever because of ...I dunno, security or something
 
user47589
11:16 AM
infinity more days is a long time.
 
That's often why I might favour using an abstract class over an interface
 
that was a fun movie...i only recently watched it for the first time actually
 
@Amy public static IEnumerable<TResult> Select<TSource, TResult>(
this IEnumerable<TSource> source,
Func<TSource, TResult> selector
)
So I asked if the above isn't specifying the type of Func

You said Select<TSource,TResult> does.

But I see two non type parameters that Select takes a)this IEnumerable.. and b)Func

if it's the case that they correspond to two types. TSource, TResult.

then why is it that

'a' has a type IEnumerable specified there "this IEnumerable". 'b' doesn't.
 
@tweray my default treatment if I start feeling not-good is to wait for the weekend, drink 2 L of Coca Cola in < 90 minutes, drink 500ml of tomatoe-based vegetable juice this for example and eat salty stuff. Haven't been sick for 10 years now. Oh also sleep for up to 14 hours.
 
@barlop select from enumerable source<T> an enumerable of <some other T>
 
user47589
11:18 AM
the first parameter is an IEnumerable<TSource>, the second parameter is a Func that has two type parameters, TSource and TResult. There is no correspondence between IEnumerable, Func and the type parameters TSource, TResult
 
ok.. is the return type for Func is not specified in the syntax definition?
 
user47589
the return type of Func is its last type parameter
 
user47589
in this case, TResult
 
but can we know that just from the syntax?
 
@barlop the return type of the func is the return type of a single TResult
 
11:20 AM
couldn't Func use its type parameters for anything or nothing
 
it runs the func on each element in the enumerable set of TSource
 
user47589
Func<TSource, TResult> represents a function that takes a single parameter of type TSource and returns a TResult
 
^
 
user47589
@barlop what is this supposed to mean? please clarify.
 
its the same as defining ..
 
11:21 AM
is it possible though, outside the context of Select, to write a function that takes two types as parameters Func<type1,type2> and returns type3?
 
foreach(T in someCollection) { ... func is the bit in here ... }
@barlop yes
 
user47589
yes that's possible
 
thus type3 is not being specified in that syntax definition
and we are just deriving it based on knowledge of the meaning of select
 
user47589
you would have to add it, so its Func<Type1, Type2, Type3>
 
^
 
11:22 AM
Oh, then no. The last parameter is the return type, end of
 
lol
 
user47589
Type3 would also have to be defined as a generic type parameter either on the enclosing type or method.
 
uh, can I chain Lambda statements to an IQueryable that already has Lambda statements 'on' it? Like
`IQueryable test = someList.Where(x => x.SomeStringProp == "HelloWorld");
test.Where(y => y.SomeIntPro == 2);
test.ToList();`
 
ok, so the return type (for Func) is not specified in that syntax definition then?
 
user47589
@barlop what do you mean, syntax definition? the return type of Func is the last type parameter
 
11:24 AM
In this case it is the last type parameter
 
user47589
in EVERY case its the last type parameter. that's how Func is defined.
 
@SteffenWinkler Isn't it the case, when You need to wrap into Expression<Func<...>>?
 
public T3 DoStuff(IEumerable<T1> source, Action<T1, T2> whatToDo)
{
     source.ForEach(i => whattoDo);
     return source.Cast<T3>();
}
kinda messed up
 
if we say Func<type1,type2> then the return type could be a type that is not type1 or type2
 
lol
 
11:24 AM
@ntohl yeah I'm not in the mood of building expression trees again
 
@barlop no, type2 is the return type
 
user47589
@barlop if you had a Func<Type1, Type2> the return type of the Func is Type2
 
user47589
Func<A,B,C,D> has a return type of D.
 
user47589
and so forth.
 
public T2 DoStuff(IEumerable<T1> source, Func<T1, T2> whatToDo)
{
     return source.Select(i => whatToDo);
}
much cleaner
but also not needed
 
11:26 AM
Func<type1,type2> is a function that only takes one argument, which is a type1
 
@Amy but didn't you say outside the context of Select, you can write a function that takes two types as parameters Func<type1,type2> and returns type3.. Therefore wouldn't that mean that Func<type1,type2> would not specify the return type as being type2.
 
@barlop that would be Func<type1,type2,type3>
 
user47589
> but didn't you say outside the context of Select, you can write a function that takes two types as parameters Func<type1,type2> and returns type3.
 
@KendallFrey that's correct
 
user47589
no, i didn't say that.
 
11:27 AM
@Amy so when you said "yes that's possible" what were you replying to?
 
@barlop you can but it wouldn't be a func, it would be a method
T3 DoSomething<T1, T2>(T1 obj1, T2 obj2) { ... } <--- like that @barlop
 
user47589
I was replying to your statement, but the correction is it has to be Func<Type1, Type2, Type3> like we've said several times already.
 
user47589
You can do this, but it won't be a Func<Type1, Type2>
 
user47589
You have to change the type.
 
But if it's Func<Type1, Type2, Type3> then it could return a type of Type4 can't it?
 
11:29 AM
@barlop no that returns a Type3
 
user47589
Then add Type4 to the list of parameters.....
 
is Func part of the language or is it just a simple class that uses generics to do stuff?
 
I don't see what's so difficult
 
user47589
why is this difficult to grasp? the last type parameter of Func is its return type.
 
seems like a really simple class
 
11:29 AM
@misha130 It's just a convenient generic delegate definition
 
@Amy always?
 
sounds like it
 
part of the framework, but not the language
 
@Amy Maybe Because of Action<T1, T2>
both those are input params
as action always returns void
 
user47589
@AdrianK. always. That's how the Framework has Func<T1...Tn> defined
 
11:30 AM
oh I see so is Func a delegate that works by using the last type parameter as the return type?
 
user47589
@barlop yes, as i've said.
 
@barlop EXACTLY!
 
heh
 
lol
 
@Amy just to make sure - regardless I'm using it on Winforms/ASPX/MVC, right?
 
11:30 AM
i thought that was explained in the docs...
 
user47589
@AdrianK. the same framework is used across each of those, so yes.
 
gotcha
 
@barlop precisely as described by the documentation for it
 
user47589
11:31 AM
This took way too long. I feel like I've been help vampired.
 
you have
 
OMNOMNOMNOMNOM
 
please dont forget how Func<T1,T2> can be delegated in to an expression :^)
 
I feel like I should mention that this conversation isn't OData'y enough
 
Always good to learn something new from people smarter than you Adrian K., SO Chat
 
11:32 AM
wasry pls
 
user47589
I propose wadry change his name to wasry
 
Expression<Func<IDictionary<string, IList<IUsefulObject>>, IList<IUsefulObject>>>
 
user47589
that way @Tomw won't feel bad about his typo.
 
i have one of those in my socket server code
 
This goes on forever, you realise that
 
11:33 AM
it's so sexy
 
user47589
what goes on forever?
 
aye it does
 
@TomW pls
 
@Amy continuously renaming wadry
 
lets explain expression trees now :DDD
 
user47589
11:33 AM
@TomW yeah but its fun.
 
@misha130 NO
that gets evil
 
user47589
@misha130 NO
 
ppl renaiming me is becoming a problem ... maybe I should change my name to User<T>
then you can call me whatever the hell you want "at chat time"
 
user47589
lol
 
user47589
can usernames contain < >
 
11:35 AM
W<T> <--- love this name
 
var wadry = Func<wadry, wardy, wasry>
 
lol
 
@AdrianK. the compiler hates you
 
no matter what you'll always be wasry
 
user47589
its a circularly defined func!
 
11:36 AM
@KendallFrey I know, right?
ok, back to business
 
Giving me an opportunity to be annoying that can be templated is like giving a cat the end of a roilet roll
Giving me an opportunity to be annoying that can be templated is like giving a cat the end of a toilet roll
It's not like they're going to just pull it a bit then stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
God damnit. Someone must have friended a spammer on facebook because now half of 'people you may know' list is photoshopped teenage thai girls
 
@AdrianK. I don't like your naming convention, it applies confusion later down the process
 
user47589
click here to find local thai girls into you
 
11:42 AM
-click-
 
what do you call it
when someone leaves you with lots of questions in your mind
left blank ?
 
I think that's called "learning"
 
i clicked it like 15 times, where is the girl?
 
user47589
You obviously aren't clicking hard enough.
 
@TomW lol, tell me the word to describe that situation
@Amy I am typing hard enough though :)
 
11:48 AM
@Amy weird, uBlock didn't catch that
 
"into you" make me want to make inappropriate joke btw
 
:/
no one knows what am after ?
@TomW he left me out of blue
 
user47589
go to the store and get more blue, then.
 
da ba dee da ba di
 
10-15 shots of whiskey can make you totally blue
or green
 
11:53 AM
so can silver
 
@Mathematics confused or "totally schooled" ... now go read about 100 books on C# young padawan
 
@KendallFrey I was messing with codec drivers on ubuntu, and I ended up like every vid looked like that
couldn't repair it
 
@wadry that a good match
thanks
 
@ntohl think about the bright part. you can play blueman show without makeup now
 
anyone knows if you can board a plane without visa?
 
user47589
11:58 AM
you only need a visa for travel to another country.
 
so they only ask you it when you arrive there?
 
@Amy uh you do know that the sting reflex of a wasp is active for a few hours after they died, right?
 
or before
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler yeah, i'm not the one who ate the wasp
 
I am asking because a friend of mine needs asylum and she hasn't got the passport to leave the country..
well never mind
 
11:59 AM
@Amy ...yeah but your cat might have needed to see a vet
 
well, that's quite a hard topic to discuss here
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler well she seems okay, so i think she's okay.
 
@Amy yeah if that thing had stung your cat, your cat would've already been dead...probably. Because it would've stung somewhere in it's mouth/throat.
 
lol thats very dark Steffen
 
generally you can't pass security scan in airport if you don't have visa and trying to board intl flight
 
user47589
12:00 PM
@misha130 you'd have to check your local airline security laws.
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler i don't see the point of discussing this.
 
so she is stuck
 
@misha130 shrugs I had to learn the hard way about that 'stinging while dead' thing. Stepped on one while barefoot when I was 6 or 7. That didn't go over well :/
 
cats are known to eat mice, wasps, bugs and such so they probably have a natures mechanism to stop it
 
@Amy In case your cat eats one again you might be more careful. Or in other words: Don't let the corpses of wasps lie around your apartment for your cat to eat.
 
user47589
12:02 PM
@SteffenWinkler i was well aware that wasps can still sting after death. you are not providing me any new information.
 
user47589
It was a wasp. It's my cat. Chill out. It's none of your business.
 
@Amy oh okay. I didn't know that.
@Amy I'm sorry, okay? Didn't mean to upset you.
 
user47589
I'm not upset. But neither am I interested in discussing this.
 
@Amy hell, I did not want a discussion. I simply read the star-wall, saw your comment and thought some future-advice would be helpful, because a lot of people do not know about that past-death-sting reflex. I didn't mean to overstep any boundary you've on your private live.
 
woosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
12:09 PM
woosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
also hello
 
see y'all tomorrow
 
user47589
@SteffenWinkler calm down.
 
@RoelvanUden I can't stop playing BDO
MFW I wake up to a $880 charge from HTC...
 
@Failsafe O_o
For what?
 
Vive
 
user47589
12:11 PM
did it ship?
 
EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS!?
 
user47589
that's couch cushion change
 
Not yet
I think it's shipping beginning of may maybe?
They said they charge when they ship so
 
Oh my god Vive costs 746GBP
inc shipping
That's $1088 lol
 
Wow you're getting screwed
i want to be an early adopter
 
user47589
 
i just got a xbox, and didn't unwrap it yet
 
I can't wait to use this for 5 minutes and then never pick it up again
 
user47589
That's the best part of being an adult.
 
nah JK I will probably use it everyday to play stupid fucking space sims and dirt rally
 
any good game suggestion?
 
user47589
12:15 PM
Job Simulator
 
Job Simulator
damn you beat me to it
Elite Dangerous
any racing/space sim really
 
i promise if a 3rd guy suggest it i will google it
 
gonna use it with No Mans Sky cant wait for that
 
user47589
come on, someone, be that third guy. suggest Job Simulator
 
user47589
embrace your destiny, third guy
 
12:16 PM
@tweray try job simulator
 
user47589
Good job, @Michael!
 
!!google job simulator
 
user47589
lol
 
Good morning. Anyone familiar with the IDataErrorInfo for validation in WPF? Got a question about it
 
12:17 PM
@Amy What if Job Simulator is my RL job
cuz it almost is
just without the donut printer
 
user47589
Is your job a simulation of Job Simulator?
 
Job Simulator^2
 
user47589
2Meta4Job
 
Anyone remember the name of that game where you change things size based on your perspective of their scale when you pick them up?
 
> donut printer
Give
 
12:19 PM
So you pick up a box and put it closer to your face then drop it and it gets bigger
 
@Sippy OH YEA
i remember that game
did that ever release?
i think it's on steam somewhere
 
@TomW I legitimately don't know how this person passed the interview. There's no way they gave this person a technical interview. Maybe it's because she claimed to know python, they didn't give her a proper interview whether concepts or coding wise. I'm ok with helping her but wow, didn't like how she said is programming normally this hard because she spend so much time on a task. Like it should have been easy for her headpalm
 
I can't remember what it was called
 
@KalaJ have you discussed this with anyone?
 
No
 
12:20 PM
 
I'm new myself, I don't want to be that person
 
found it
 
user47589
Take your concerns to your supervisor, and leave it in your supervisors office.
 
@KalaJ If you ARE the supervisor, well, you better start drinking
because it only gets worse
 
user47589
lol
 
12:21 PM
Haha I'm just a humble dev
 
Tech Lead is the best position to be in
IMO
 
Why?
 
@Failsafe wat? i get excuse for drinking? someone please hire me as supervisor already
 
user47589
Leads have power.
 
You are one step away from architect, but are at a position where you can still make decisions and write code and manage a project
It's pretty great
 
12:23 PM
Are you a tech lead?
 
Yea for a couple projects
 
Cool
 
totally worth it
The best part about it is that I can still code
Once you hit architect that pretty much goes away
 
Maybe I will get there one day. I'm still early in my career.
 
how many years do you have
in the biz
 
user47589
12:25 PM
did you just say "in the biz"?
 
yea, unironically
 
Roughly 2 and a half years
 
stress...meeting no code!
I would hate to move into management
 
@KalaJ well if she's disrupting you definitely raise it. Make sure you acknowledge that you ought to be expected to help sometimes but the level of help is way too much
 
@KalaJ That's not that bad
You can apply for senior positions in like 2 years
 
12:27 PM
Just about yes
 
@Failsafe Yaaay
 
So you are in an ideal position @KalaJ. She is mad at you for ruining her code so she wont ask you for help. So all you gotta do is not offer help
 
user47589
that is logical.
 
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user47589
"i need help with this thing."
"i'm busy."
 
12:38 PM
And refer to pm so he/she can observe incompetence
 
Project Leader going Thug Life at the office
Eminem on speakers
 
Go for the CIO
 
@JakobMillah haha
 
apparently the police are finally getting blamed for the Hillsborough disaster
 
user47589
♫♪♫♪ Damn it feels good to be a gangster ♫♪♪
 
12:48 PM
@Failsafe That's in all our news as well
Wtf was it
 
user47589
what happened
 
Some huge accident in 1989
 
Tribune collapsed
 
I suggest you watch the 30 for 30
 
Liverpool played against Nottingham forest.
 
12:50 PM
it's one of the worst soccer disasters in history
if not the worst
it's fucking scary
 
Another one of those things that just doesn't happen to Rugby supporters lol
 
96 people crushed to death in the stands when they let far too many people in and locked the gates
 
It was a broken gate and non ticket holders forced their way into ticket stands
 
user47589
The Hillsborough disaster was a human crush that caused the deaths of 96 people and injured 766 others at a football match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough Stadium, Sheffield, England, on 15 April 1989. The match was the 1988–89 FA Cup semi-final, with Hillsborough, home ground of Sheffield Wednesday, selected as a neutral venue. In English football, most stadiums had steel fencing between the spectators and the playing field in order to prevent friendly and hostile pitch invasions. The crush occurred in pens in the Leppings Lane stand, allocated to Liverpool fans. The interim...
 
Right
Oh yeah, there would have been an escape route, that gate was locked
 
user47589
12:56 PM
> Entry was possible only via one of seven decrepit turnstiles, a restriction that led to dangerous overcrowding outside the ground before kick-off. In an attempt to ease pressure outside the ground, Police Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield, the senior police officer responsible for policing the match, ordered an exit gate to be opened. The opened exit gate led to a tunnel marked "Standing", which led directly to the two already overcrowded enclosures.
 
"dangerous overcrowding" is kind of badly worded there.
 
user47589
why is this in the news today, though? it happened in 1989
 
It was proven now
 
user47589
new evidence released?
 
user47589
sorry, what was proven?
 
12:59 PM
Officially
 
after 26 years....
 
So important much wow
 

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