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12:12 AM
@SteveG WHAT?
@SteveG WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?
@SteveG WHY DID YOU TAG ME?
@SteveG I LEFT IN PEACE ?
 
sorry, did you say something?
 
33 mins ago, by Steve G
@JABFreeware
 
ohhhh rekt
 
why
 
cuz i was bored and wanted to bullshit, of course
:p
 
12:13 AM
@SteveG ohhh ok. you want to be part of something great?
come work with me
 
yes plx
 
we have a brilliant idea
that's going to make millions
 
nothing sexual
 
what if I said its a porn site?
 
skype?
im in
 
12:14 AM
no thats already been made
 
no, i mean how ya'll communicating? skype?
 
sigh...you cant think originally?
@SteveG our own website and chat system
 
ha
 
but seriously I have thought up an ingenius site that is like a porn site with a reddit ish community and much more fucked up content than porn but not illegal
the problem is no CDN will allow my content lol
 
im full of ideas
it's finding ppl to work with, ppl who motivate each other
which is the hard part
 
12:16 AM
I had one that said they would try to look the other way but they were Israeli so that was out
@SteveG this is true. what kind of ideas?
I'm bored lately and need a challenge that makes money
 
made a remote control
android
 
lawn mower?
 
for your tv, or stereo or whatever
 
ohh like teamviewer but for tv etc?
 
basically, you drag and dropped buttons where you wanted them, assigned one or multiple commands to a key
 
12:17 AM
oh.
that actually is cool
 
made a tv guide, that you could scroll through
 
rip battery life but cool
 
nah they have remotes out there already
 
So a customizable remote control?
@SteveG ^
 
basically highly customizable
 
12:18 AM
@SteveG I didnt knwo you did android stuff
 
was thinking of adding things like taking your most watched shows, and just alerting you when they were on any channel
voice search for whats on tv
etc
yeah i spent a lot of time working on it, then the Galaxy s7 removed the IR blaster
 
How would you interface with TVs? Is there a common standard?
 
and i was stuck holding my dick in my hands
 
I mean, how would you know which TV shows are the most watched?
 
the s4-s6 had an IR blaster, it was literally a remote control
 
12:19 AM
@SteveG better range than the IR blaster though?
 
@RodrigoSilva people signed up for accounts and i keep track
 
@SteveG I think in a few years all phones will have IR
actually no
 
idk
 
IR is dead but there will be communication abilities with tvs etc
 
i still have all the code, so much code
 
12:20 AM
like the new smart tvs dont use IR
 
i was also going to let you search for streaming stuff (not actually stream it)
 
like kodi?
 
so, you could search for a video title, and it'd tell you if it was on prime or netflix
 
but kodi is like netflix but free
 
netflix had a closed api, but there were third party ones which synced netflix titles
 
12:22 AM
There's also those Android TV boxes
 
the problem i faced was and still is: how do you easily find shows
 
What do you mean?
 
the search engine for links?
 
i dont want to swap between 4 apps on my tv looking for streaming content, i dont want to scroll through 10000 channels on my tv guide, and i didn't want to hog the TV while i looked for something to watch
i wanted one source for everything, find something to watch, and alert people when cable/sat has something on that you're interested in
 
Ehm, suggest similar shows?
 
12:23 AM
@SteveG "find me an action tv show I'll like" > AI magic > "steve, I found NCIS with enhance enhance. should I play it?"
 
that was a thought, there are api's out there that do that already
@JABFreeware basically yeah, like how pandora works
 
@SteveG its quite easy to build one too
 
Depending on the context you have for each individual user, that might be a good solution
 
and with machine learning so easy and at our finger tips now, np
 
@SteveG ikr. 5 years ago and it would have been much harder
that or I just didnt know about it back then
 
12:25 AM
but i also wanted to add 'channels' to remotes (ppl can have multiple remotes), and one of their controls for their remotes could just be 'shit you might like from your fav channels'
 
you dont really have to understand how ML works. there are lots of libraries out there where you feed it input and grab the output it takes care of the rest
@SteveG you need to shorten that
 
it's just understanding the data and trial and error
 
basically
thats what we do and thats what ML is
@SteveG going back to what you said about motivation that is what I envy about places like google. It seems like everyone gets energized from each other. The jobs I have done are few and far between where the team was like that. Get the right group of people though and boy oh boy... Its just such a delicate balance though to get that kind of team.
 
so, i built the guide, where you install and let it know where you live and your tv provider (charter, comcast etc), it updates automatically every hour, you click a show, the info comes up, you double click a show, it changes the channel
i got the remote set up, custom buttons, with custom images i madein photoshop that look neat and you can drag them around and it saves them and their location in a local sqlite db
a bunch of azure api's, caching, etc
 
this sounds very dear to you
it almost hurts
 
12:28 AM
yeah it was very painful
and it was also painful because i tried writing the android app as a tierd app and it should have used an event bus
it was my first big android app, spent over a year on it
 
tierd?
 
tier'd
domain layer, application layer, infrastructure layer, ui layer
 
ohhh
 
terrible terrible idea in android
 
@SteveG speed issues?
 
12:31 AM
no, fighting the framework
because everything is based on the android framework, and it doesn't make sense to try to just treat it like a ui
 
yeah its not really made for that. I have done a little android coding. Not my favorite thing mostly because I think all the IDEs fucking suck
which IDE did you use?
 
i really like android studio
 
Hm, can't you use VS?
 
it's not as nice as visual studio, but not as terrible as netbeans
 
@SteveG I will admit, its a huge improvement
everyone is like eclipse is awesome. Its not. Slow, buggy, and frustrating
 
12:32 AM
you can do xamarin or whatever it is, but i tried for a week just to get an avd setup to get a hello world app running and it just failed horribly
oh yeah eclipse is what i meant
 
I'm literally installing Xamarin right now
Thought I'd give it a go at this
 
this was a couple years ago, so it's probably been improved a bit
 
Hope so
 
@SteveG there is a german team whos made an AWWWWWWWWESOME reverse engineering tool for android. Like its truely unique and amazing. Can even edit the code recompile without spending hours. The issue? Its based on eclipse. THe memory usage? Well a 40mb app used 8gb of memory so.... then again their program is in beta but still...
 
I actually found out today you need a Mac to develop for iOS
What the hell? -_-
 
12:35 AM
yeah i didn't know that either until like a month ago lol
 
@RodrigoSilva yep or pay a monthly fee for a compiling service
 
i didn't try it, but i read about it
 
basically connect it with git push changes and their system compiles
 
Ohh, neat!
 
@SteveG yeah I edited out some reverse pinning code and fucked around with the API of some messaging apps. Its sad how much they rely on client side verification. Like you can edit that out without this new program its just hard. Idiots...
 
12:37 AM
lol
 
for example the "api" was not rate limited
I was downloading images as fast as my internet could download. The app though will tell you wait a second you're doing that too much
 
oh but you got around it?
 
@SteveG yeah because it was all app code doing the limiting. Once I could do a MITM attack and use my own certificate in the proxy and...removed the reverse pinning I could see all the requests.
 
lol i dont know what that means but it sounds bad ass
man in the middle attack
 
!!hackerman
 
12:39 AM
@RodrigoSilva That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
!!google hackerman
@JABFreeware ELI5 pls
 
@SteveG basically https can't be decypted unless you know the private key used. Thats basically impossible but you can run all requests through a proxy and if the app demands https you give it https with your own certificate and replay the request on the other side. App is happy its using https but...with cert pinning its like whoa what a minute you're not a facebook certificate fuck off. Remove the code that checks and it doesn't care.
 
oh lmao
 
thats cool
 
12:42 AM
And they only verified the certificate client-side?
 
some verify on the server side but there are ways around most methods of that too just takes mroe work
 
how
 
learning intensifies
 
i want to learn more of this stuff, a few weeks ago i learned about stack smashing and stuff
 
Stack smashing?
 
12:44 AM
basically the app generates a hash/cert/whatever based on some keys passed from the server. If its based on your proxy keys the server will know once the request gets to it and realize you're not really the device. You can remove that code sure but the server will just ignore you because the hash is wrong. And it changes all the time all that magic. So you have ot basically figure out how they are generating it to get access for any length of time
 
Is that like a buffer overflow?
 
I honestly don't know a whole lot about the latter server side checks because I never had to deal with them. Thats just my understanding so it might be slightly flawed
 
@RodrigoSilva yeah
 
lets just say a major messenger doesn't use server side. Just easy to defeat client side
 
@JABFreeware don't they usually use the Diffie-Hellman thingy to generate the keys?
How are you going to know how the keys are being generated?
 
12:46 AM
thats what i'm wondering
 
like I said idk the whole thing. I agree it seems like an issue. Pretty sure its elaborate security by obscurity because ultimately if you can recreate the code in the app or decompile it well enough you can put that into your proxy and the server will be happy again
 
@SteveG regarding the learning about this stuff... I actually got to learn a bunch of low level stuff I never thought I'd like. And unveilling how a CPU actually works was probably the most profound change in my understanding of anything related to programming
 
oh for sure, and learning how the stack works and how to construct a stack frame<3
 
there is that thing called obfuscate or whatever that would make the code really hard to analyze
 
and all those pointers
ip, bp, etc
 
12:50 AM
We actually went a bit deeper, into the realms of instruction formats and stuff, and the digital circuitry
 
@RodrigoSilva that sounds cool
 
It was mind-bending
 
what do you mean instruction formats?
 
I know the basics of bitcoin but its still kind of mind blowing ya know
 
@JABFreeware It was
 
12:51 AM
like assembly?
 
I mean, how an assembly instruction is fed to the logic gates, and what happens in each type of instruction
 
oh that sounds cool
 
watches the words go over his head
I regret not learning the low level stuff years ago
 
It was awesome! I never thought I'd like it, tbh
 
I should have spent more time in C++ and even assembly
 
12:52 AM
i had a low level class, i missed a big part in the middle because the teacher didn't give a fuck, kind of regret it
 
but I bitched out for the easier cooler gui beauty of c#
 
We actually built our own CPU and then ran our own assembly on it xD
 
wow thats cool
 
:'(
regrets...
 
12:53 AM
what do you mean you built your own cpu? how?
 
We wrote it in VHDL and ran it on something called FPGA
Hardware programming
 
whew over my head
lol
 
@SteveG do you want to get into machine learning and shit?
is that something that interests you
AI skynet etc
 
Take over the world?
 
@JABFreeware i've done a bit of machine learning at work through azure ml studio
and did a bit of research on R too
 
12:55 AM
Isn't AI and ML filled with abstract Math and stuff?
 
if you really awnt to learn it yes
im currently seriously debating diving headfirst into it
 
Ehm, the eternal debate
Is it worth it?
 
@SteveG does MLS really let you dig in though or is it some bs tool where "magic" solves your problems and you dont really have to understand how it works or how to train it etc?
 
@RodrigoSilva probably, idk,ml studio is a gui, you have access to the properties of whatever algorithm you choose though, so for neural networks, you can change how many hidden nodes and stuff you want
 
@RodrigoSilva exactly, because its a LOT of work. Not something you learn in a month
@SteveG so its like what C# is to C++ I guess
 
12:57 AM
it's like visio
 
I see
 
I hate visio but...ok
 
just way cooler, because after you get a model taught how you want it, you publish it, and it just turns into an api
 
that is cool
 
right?
 
12:58 AM
so Im having paul newmans frozen pizza because reddit told me its awesome
im slightly disappointed but it is...uniquely good
 
and it's free if you don't publish it, and they have tons and tons of data sets on there for you to oplay around with (and tutorials to go along with them too)
 
so you'd recommend it as a starting point?
 
oh for sure
 

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