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11:00 AM
is it?
 
Mine goes up like 1000 in a month then I leave it for another year
 
The stuff I ask is obscure
and boy did I talk some shit when I was new
 
I still talk shit
And I wouldn't call myself new anymore
 
We all talk shit.
@Ggalla1779 We use JIRA at work.
 
@RoelvanUden do you find working with JIRA a pain in the butt?
I haven't hear one single opinion of a person liking to work with JIRA
 
11:11 AM
I actually like JIRA when me and a colleague used it in Kanban mode, using a Kanban board. It was really snappy, easy to use, and really clear and powerful. We've since switched to Scrum. I really hate Scrum (albeit that's not related to JIRA) but JIRA is certainly not helping in that regard.
 
Oh okay.
I need to read into that Kanban stuff
 
use scrumban (to make Your life more miserable)
 
@ntohl ...and deal with it™
 
@AdrianK. I don't like Jira, but I like most other options I've tried even less.
 
JIRA is a tool. You don't have to like it. But the tool shouldn't be working against you. It should add value, and JIRA, most of the time, does that. But it also works against you with the organization of tickets in Sprints and the backlog. So, a different tool might be better.
 
11:21 AM
I'm hesitating between TFS Work Items, JIRA and making my own bug&task tracker
And the custom option wins mostly for now
 
From those choices, go for JIRA.
There are a lot of options. If you're using Git, why not Gitlab or Github?
Why not use one of the thousands of options?
 
have anyone used YouTrack?
 
Unfortunately we host the code in TFS
 
So do we.. unfortunately. You can still use any bug tracker you desire.
 
JIRA is a paid software so mgmnt want to avoid that
 
11:25 AM
The only thing that matters is really, that it is registered and provides a clear overview
JIRA is free for small teams
 
really?
 
Yeah.
Or something like 10 euro for lifetime
And 10 euro is nothing ;)
 
There you go.
 
I'll look into that, thanks Roel :)
 
11:27 AM
@AdrianK. Its easy an easy to implement...go setup Trello account...you can use it for anything.... I used it for a wedding
 
No problem. I'm not saying it's the best choice, I just know none better for our purposes, and I've just debunked the price argument. What you do is up to you ;P
 
@Ggalla1779 can't do that unfortunatelly, company policy is against hosting anything in a outside cloud
 
thats a pity
 
@AdrianK. So, they want everything on-premises and free? Do they expect the server running the software to be free as well?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan kinda like it. Our program manager hates spending money because he was a accountant he always looks at his excel spreadsheets and pushes for getting projects ideally without any investments
Everyone hates him
 
11:37 AM
I'd expect accountants to be able to look at the final balance, not at each entry individually.
Let me guess, no buying Resharper for you because you can't put a precise price tag on productivity increases, right?
 
Something like this.
 
Because developer time is free apparently.
 
We've got Resharper only because the bill for the client included that
All he does it looking at his freaking spreasheets
He doesn't take any risk, he doesn't invest in anything
Most of the time he doesn't know what's going on with the projects and team
Our team consists of three people.
Me, my coworker from Poland and Analyst from the US
He already cut down our analyst time to 6hrs daily
And he has wanted to ditch out my coworker
 
War
so you have funding for resharper but not enough for staff ??
sounds like a very small project if it only needs 3 people
 
Wouldn't an accountant know that to make money you have to spend money?
 
11:43 AM
Each one of us have already avg. 4 projects
And he's pushing us to get more
 
When are you leaving?
 
as soon as I will have my L-1 visa approved
but first I'll try to get him fired
 
@AdrianK. Doesn't that only let you work in the same company in the US?
 
if that will happen, then I'll stay
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yup, but once you have the visa you can transfer it to another company
 
You're from Poland? That's Europe. You can go anywhere in the EU.
Why US? :|
 
11:46 AM
Because I have friends out there
 
I'm in Poland on Thursday.
 
Really? Warsaw, perhaps?
 
Nope. Family vacation in Jagniątków.
 
ah
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I'm sure you copied/pasted that name.
 
11:47 AM
@RoelvanUden Damn right I did.
I have absolutely no idea what to expect, since most of the online details of the area are in Polish. My sister-in-law arranged the trip, so I trust her blindly.
 
Oh dear.
 
Yeah Polish is one of those no-fucking-idea-whatsoever-sorry languages for me :(
 
I concur
with all that irregular grammar rules it makes it even for us hard
 
Still better than Latin.
 
Can't relate. I didn't learn Latin
 
11:59 AM
Some friends have just got back from somewhere called Gródek Nad Dunajcem. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ No idea where that is, never heard of it,but it looks nice
 
You dropped this \\
 
Hebrew's very hard for most Westerners. Even if you get over the different alphabet and different letter order, a lot of the basic grammar isn't similar to Latin and Germanic-derived languages.
 
I've never even attempted to learn a language with a different alphabet. It sounds literally impossible but people do it, so I guess it starts to click once you're immersed in it
 
Yeah, it clicks eventually.
 
!!youtube shira choir bar mitzwah
 
12:04 PM
@AdrianK. Something went on fire; status 403
 
It's really a lot of work though.
 
I can imagine many weeks or months of no progress whatsoever
 
Well. Flash cards.
 
Depends on when you do it, I suppose. I've started my kid recognizing both Hebrew and Latin alphabets and she's getting the hang of both, and she's 3.
 
12:05 PM
@TomW I haven't learned any other languages, but I learned the Cyrillic alphabet. It's actually very easy, it took me a day to get most of it.
 
I started reading English when I was 6 or so.
 
The English alphabet is really very terrible
 
I didn't enjoy learning Hiragana (even if it is really very simple).
I forgot most of it now :-D
 
Well, the entire language is delightfully vague. thepoke.co.uk/2016/02/17/english-pronunciation-poem
 
12:12 PM
my friend have an Advanced english exam, but doesn't know jackshit... I really doesn't understand language schools, what is the requirements, if You can have an exam without actually be able to talk the language.
I have only intermediate exam, but at least I know the word "fancy". Not like my friend
@AdrianK. me too
 
@ntohl Well, reading and speaking are generally separate skills
 
and understanding is even more different
with all those idioms, phrases, etc...
 
*what are the requirements >D
 
@ntohl sometimes I have SSLS with that song
* SSLS - Single Song Loop Syndrome :D
 
I'm confident he can't parse a moderatly difficult sentence. He must had a gigaluck with the exam.
 
12:37 PM
Q: Do any of you listen to music with headphones at work, too?
 
me
 
@RoelvanUden yes, why?
 
Just wondering. Y'know, with colleagues and all never listening to music.
Well, with headphones.
 
headphones You mean "not earplugs"?
 
I've never seen my colleagues listening to music either
 
12:40 PM
Earplugs, headphones, whatever. There is a soft radio somewhere around here.
But never do I see them wearing anything for personal music enjoyment.
Was wondering if I was the odd one out ;d
 
@RoelvanUden Oh you mean they have music playing so that everyone can hear it?
 
no. My headphones are up and running. Just listening to the New Song At Bar Mitzvah 3rd time :D
 
@RoelvanUden all the time ^^
 
@KendallFrey Basically, one radio for the entire room. So, for most people, it's really soft. And not really their choice; it's just the radio after all. I use headphones 80% of the time because I consider the music on the radio garbage. But everyone here seems to be content with a soft radio playing.
 
mm yeah
 
12:43 PM
>because I consider the music on the radio garbage
So, so, so true
 
So I was wondering.. if you guys also use headphones and your own music :D
 
radio playing doesn't sound like a good idea, but if it's quiet enough and they enjoy it, fine
 
my coworker used to take his speakers to the office, we had a separate room where rock and metal ruled :D
 
I used to have a really good Grooveshark playlist for coding
 
if someone played shit over a speaker near me i would destroy the speakers
 
12:45 PM
the thing was we both created the playlist, so we both loved it
 
lucky
everyone around me listens to shit
death to false metal
 
Babymetal forever
 
babymetal is so interesting
 
I played it for my friends last week
 
its a weird clash of jpop and death metal
 
12:49 PM
They were... underwhelmed
 
did you play the new album
?
there is a song called karate which is pretty good
sounds like the intro music to an anime
 
I have no idea what their albums are
only the songs
 
do you have spotify?
 
Karate is pretty good
@Failsafe no, YouTube
also, I downloaded some Babymetal for Phase Shift
 
phase shift? are you changing phases of a waveform?
thats pretty radical
 
ahh
that website made me die a little inside
 
The game is better
I used to play FoF
 
haha yea
i had a hard tme with that game
my keyboard was not very wieldy
 
I will never forget Jurgen Gutherswatzenhoffenstrassen
Sadly, it doesn't work on any of my computers
 
ever play stepmania?
i play that a lot
 
12:55 PM
No, is that keyboard as well?
 
yea
its ddr
 
I've found that my keyboard actually works pretty good as a guitar controller
I can pick it up and play it like the original
 
@Failsafe I played some stepmania back in the days with keyboard. I even have 2 mats
 
You really like Babymetal huh, @KendallFrey
 
12:58 PM
my favourite was PPK resurrection
 
I've been listening to them a lot recently
 
I honestly don't get the appeal. Their lyrics kind of ruin the whole mood the music gets going.
 
@RoelvanUden 3 girls in skimpy outfits
that's the appeal
its japan man
 
I don't like "dark" music
it's too depressing and macabre
Neither do I like the lyrics of pop music (are you fucking kidding me?)
 
@Failsafe Uhm. I'm not sure you've ever watched music videos of the west? I find the Japanese girls considerably well clothed in comparisons.
 
1:00 PM
So I generally listen to either non-lyrical or non-English songs
@RoelvanUden this is true
 
@RoelvanUden it was a joke bruhv
 
DO NOT INSULT MY FANDOM
 
woah. I can't stand that animish girl voice in babymetal...
 
@KendallFrey This is true.. but there are also good songs with great lyrics. Other than " I had chocoloate, I had chocolate, I want some chocolate again!"
 
@RoelvanUden Even those I find distracting most of the time
 
1:02 PM
Hey if you like metal but want the plot to be about epicness and battling titans listen to Gloryhammer
they are like dragonforce but not shit
 
save the trees metal>
 
i saw the movie deathgasm yesterday
what a good movie
no babymetal in it tho
 
Babymetal improve most things
 
define improve
 
user47589
1:06 PM
babymetal is the most adorable metal, say top scientists
 
what happens when the girls grow up
 
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@Failsafe They'll become JPop idols.
 
gross
 
(But they are already! No. Currently, they are JPop jailbait)
 
1:08 PM
jpop is trash
death to false metal
 
Do you want a war? Because that's how you get a war.
 
im not the one pretending to be a metal band fam
 
yeh blud
 
Yeah... They are rock band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q43OxVBOGj4
 
1:16 PM
Sorry, no.
 
Tomoyasu Hotei - Battle Without Honour Or Humanity ... best track from Kill Bill by far (and his albums are equally rockin')
 
1:28 PM
@RoelvanUden Technically not jailbait because they are all 17+
the lead singer is 18
 
Oh, right, and the age of consensual sex in Japan was 13 I believe?
 
yea that's federal law
prefecture overrules it mostly tho
 
How sad.
 
japan should just go back to being fuedal
 
1:30 PM
What's going on in C# chat I wonder? - oh, discussing sex with 13 yer olds...
 
i like samurai culture
 
No, we're discussing the law and a music band.
Why is it always the non-regulars that drop in and start whining?
 
@captainjamie No one is discussing having sex with 13 year olds.
 
Chill, I don't actually care
 
Why bring it up then
 
1:32 PM
@Failsafe Hm, I don't. I mean, I like a good samurai anime like the next guy, but I really think the current Japanese culture is better :P
 
I care that you mentioned it
that shit is searchable on google
so GJ you just related our room with CP
 
GJ BRO
 
#inbe4anotherunwarrantedfreeze
Anyway, I finally updated my Phone to WP10.
It's not bad!
 
i have to upgrade my 1520
god i love that phone
when is android n coming out
 
@RoelvanUden Your phone runs on Wordpress 10?
EWWWWWWWW
 
1:37 PM
Windows Phone 10 smartypants.
@Failsafe I have a 535 and it's working fine. :-)
Still confused about some apps, like Skype now seems to be OS integrated.
So why would I use the Skype app then? o_o
 
War
I have a windows 10 phone
apart from the lack of apps (which is also a good thing IMO) it's pretty good ... stable, updates are making it better all the time
when i first got it though it was an unstable pile of crap
really hated it
 
but can you play pokemon tho?
 
^Only thing that matters now
 
War
I'm not one to care about the next / latest gimmicky app thing that's just come out so meh!
 
IT'S NOT GIMMICKY YOU UNCULTURED SWINE
 
1:41 PM
does the windows phone have pokemon go?
 
If i have a database first model, and then i add annotations to the model class that gets created by the edmx, do they affect the database directly?
 
@Bardicer No
 
then it should be burninated
:D
@ElieSaad they don't impact the database itself, but if you rebuild the edmx from the database, your annotations will be cleared as well.
 
War
@Bardicer dunno never checked
 
So far, I like the update to WP10. It's a lot more "finished" than WP8 and I liked that already.
And it's got all the important apps (UWP ftw)
 
1:43 PM
@RoelvanUden Same
 
@ElieSaad I found that in that case, you probably want to use a partial class to hold the annotations
 
I like developing for WP
my SDLC doesn't change at all
and my stack is pretty much the same
 
Yeah, but too bad the WP market share is so small it doesn't really matter :D
 
War
lmao ... on the WP store "a complete guide to pokemon go" and "cheats for pokemon go" but no "pokemon go"
 
what share of the mobile platform is WP10?
 
War
1:45 PM
oh even better .. the "pokemon go installation guide", an app that needs access to your mic and the ability to act as a server ... wtf!!
 
@RoelvanUden True
 
@Squiggle I hate it when I am super on top of my questions and after people exhaust the most basic trouble shooting they give up
 
I would never sell anything though
 
Which Android phone for < $100 you'd recommend?
 
1:47 PM
@War Give yourself all the permissions so they you know you have them when you need them. Pokemon Go actually released like that.
 
@Griffin they're literally worse than Hitler
 
Moto E
 
War
@Griffin yeh but why would an app labelled as a guide need to host a server or use a mic?
 
@AdrianK. Android phone for < $100? They are all shit. This is where WP shines.
 
1:48 PM
Budget WP phones are AMAZING.
 
@Squiggle I think the universe literally told them to ignore it
@War Oh I don't doubt that it's probably malicious but sometimes new devs just want the easiest work around no matter how sketchy it seems
 
is there a matlaboverflow? similar to latexoverflow?
 
@Bardicer Sorry for the late reply, so i just change the model class into a partial class? :p
 
sigh, I see now.
 
@roscoe_casita nope, only mathematica.se
 
1:51 PM
hmmm, well, its still early... I guess mathematica could work over matlab
comparison? which would you work in if you had to?
 
MATLAB questions can go under SO if they are programming related.
 
oh boy, slowpoke
 
Otherwise, mathematic related, throw them on maths.
 
I've just realised that .se is for stackexchange :D
 
clap clap
 
1:56 PM
rgr, thanks @RoelvanUden
now opinion time... Mathematica or MATLAB?
 
@RoelvanUden you don't have to be ironic/sarcastic
 
clap clap
 
@roscoe_casita MATLAB.
@AdrianK. Sowwy my wuv.
 
@AdrianK. Came to the wrong place if you're looking for a safe zone. We may be professionals but we're not the Amish.
 
War
isnt google making a modular mobile?
 
1:58 PM
:)
 
@War Project Ara, since ages man, idk when they are gonna release it
 
@AdrianK. Do you actually live in Warsaw?
 
War
@ElieSaad I kinda like the idea of it ... but its not very stylish
 
@Griffin nah, outside, but near enough
 

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