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5:46 AM
afternoon
 
morning
 
6:10 AM
morning
 
user6096770
6:27 AM
@WilliamMariager i want to use c# with sql, nothing more
 
user6096770
@rockethon yea i think
 
o/
 
user6096770
hey
 
user6096770
have you tried C# with sql? what's best resource for a complete beginner like me to get started?
 
entity framework
requires you to not know anything about anything
except linq
 
user6096770
6:30 AM
is that a library?
 
yes
 
yeah, Entity Framework is great for fresh projects.
it starts to get "fun" when you try to place it atop an existing database
@FluffyWuffy it's an ORM - maps C# classes to SQL tables
 
wait, a framework is not a library
a framework contains libraries
but its a framework
 
user6096770
yea i wanted to get started with c# sql and then i found out i need atleast a college degree on it to get started lol
 
lol what
 
user6096770
6:31 AM
just like many ms resources you need a degree lol, like tfs, ms azure, MVC lol
 
EF is as easy as myDataContext.Users.Where(user => user.Name.StartsWith("Fluff"));
@FluffyWuffy you're using Visual Studio, right? Generate a default project with EF and see if you can work with that.
 
In MVC (MVC6 specifically), when assignign a @model IEnumerable<Model> in a CSHTML document, how do you get the value of a bool into the cshtml document from the model itself? I'm rather new to MVC in itself, and I am also semi-used to @model.bool working, but nope
 
user6096770
@Squiggle yea im googling entity framework, yea it's a tool for vs, thanks :D
 
its not a tool..
oh christ I am so elitist about this stuff I better just shut up
literally no one cares if a framework is a library or a tool
 
user6096770
it's a framework, but on the website it's a tool for vs
 
user6096770
6:34 AM
i dont mind your 'elitist' :3
 
maybe thats an addon for vs of some sort
 
user6096770
by the way, explain: what's a tool/library/framework, how are they simalr/different?
 
user6096770
by the way, explain: what's a tool/library/framework, how are they simalr/different?
 
examples are probably better
 
a tool generates a result of some sort
 
6:39 AM
tool = hammer
library = woodworking manual
framework = cabinet-making workshop
sort of
 
hey, thats pretty good
 
user6096770
oh cool
 
user6096770
so entity framework is MVC? can i use it for a windows phone app?
 
no no no
Entity Framework is a framework (collection of libraries and tools) which allow you to create and map C# classes to databases
basically a short/convenient way to persist and query data from your program.
 
user6096770
oh ok, and is that all i need to get started with managing a local sql database? and or can i use it for server sql?
 
user6096770
6:44 AM
i want to: add/modify/delete data on my sql databases
 
user6096770
create them too
 
MVC is a UI design pattern - of which ASP.Net MVC is an implementation :)
MVC is the standard way of creating websites and web APIs
(almost) any SQL database is supported by EF. So yes.
@FluffyWuffy do you understand SQL? Are you more-or-less familiar with databases?
if so, EF should make sense.
 
user6096770
@Squiggle i know a little of the theory/study, like i know what query is, how a database table looks like, that you can manage it, based on columns/rows, but any practicality? practical knowledge? nope, i dont even have sql installed, nor have i created an sql database before
 
argh. I'm the only person in the office and 3 people just turned up asking to speak to the boss (he's ill). None of them speak English, I don't speak German.
Urgh. ;_;
@FluffyWuffy that's more than most people! :D
 
user6096770
haha
 
6:49 AM
lol @Squiggle
Good luck with that
I know how it feels, living in Finland, coming to a place where they only speak Finnish and all I know is Swedish and English (well I do know Finnish but just barely)
 
@FluffyWuffy I would strongly recommend sitting through a few of the introduction videos here: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/data/ee712907
and playing along
 
user6096770
thank you <3
 
@Xariez Finnish is... a tricky language. German doesn't come naturally for me, and I can at least partially communicate - but in a professional environment with people I've never even met? Too much, man.
 
user6096770
is it worth it learning how to program c# with sql? high paying jobs? job market demaning more and more sql dudes?
 
@FluffyWuffy it's pretty standard. It's not specialist knowledge, but sure.
 
6:53 AM
I can relate, a lot. My mother language is Swedish so I obviously know that, I learnt the base of my English and Finnish from school, but the only reason I know english better than Finnish as far as I can see it is because of computers. Playing WoW back in the days reaally shot it up and still playing and chatting on English @Squiggle
 
user6096770
what's the top 3 specialities that are the highest paying?
 
Not sure whats highest paying, but if you want to delve into websites, I would highly recommend going into HTML, CSS, C# and maybe even jQuery/Javascript and especially so before thinking too much about pay @FluffyWuffy
 
@FluffyWuffy the highest paying jobs are those that only few people can do, and that nobody wants to do
 
^^^
 
user6096770
webGL lol
 
6:55 AM
@FluffyWuffy what's your background? Where are you from? how old?
 
the highest paying job is the one you actually enjoy ;_;
 
^
 
@misha130 not true! I got paid more at my previous job, but I enjoy this one a whole lot more.
 
user6096770
im c# with html/css, console apps/wpf/windows phone
 
I know, j/k
 
6:55 AM
lol ok fam
 
user6096770
from oxnard, CA, im 24
 
user6096770
majoring in network engineering
 
I was also at Weekend Festival, in Helsinki (aka. Finlands capital) during last August, 90% of the things (McDonalds, busses, shops etc) were Finnish. Me and my friend decided we were going to talk English instead, avoid the actual Swedish/Finnish languages all together while we were there, lol @Squiggle
 
WPF is really useful! But doing some web-based MVC stuff would really round out your skills
 
user6096770
a tiny bit of MVC but it's so hard
 
6:56 AM
@Xariez I love/hate how English is the common language
 
user6096770
the form input logic T_T
 
user6096770
btw, whatabout u?
 
Its rather interesting, isn't it? Its just a language like any else, but if we suddenly would decide German is the "common" language, it would feel extremely weird @Squiggle
 
it makes it SO hard for me to learn anything else. I try to speak German or French, mess up my tenses and then everybody switches to English
@Xariez I'd be OK with that!
 
Yeah but.. Think about it
Almost all "Large" websites today are on English, unless they got a automatic language selector
You come into a chat room and..well, speak English
 
6:58 AM
@FluffyWuffy I work on the ASP.Net Web API stack, with Cordova mobile apps, TypeScript/JavaScript Angular UI, EF, SharePoint...
my skills are quite broad, come to think of it...
 
that sounds like my job
 
And I that thought this issue was going to be easy.. Never think that way in MVC/C#/anything really
 
@Xariez and that's what makes it so difficult to learn!
@misha130 code bros! [fist-bump]
 
aye
 
Haha :P
 
7:00 AM
what is the most effecient way to check if a certain column has all null or zero values so I can hide it in the grid
I want to do that for multiple columns, and I don't wanna loop
 
user6096770
@Squiggle any MVC?
 
@FluffyWuffy WebAPI is basically MVC
but talks in JSON data instead of generated web pages
 
user6096770
oh ok, you got a min to take a look at this? stackoverflow.com/questions/37382606/…
 
user6096770
been trying to figure it out
 
@FluffyWuffy not right now. I have a demo I need to prepare for!
although the answer by SamGhatak looks to be on the right track with his answer
 
user6096770
7:08 AM
thanks, what's your take on ADO.NET?
 
ADO.Net is low-level. There's no need to use it when you have better abstractions.
Using ADO.Net is like trying to get from Paris to Rome on a bicycle.
Just jump on a sodding plane.
 
anyone know of a service where you can rent some processing power for a day? I basically need 100GB memory usage for a day for some parsing of some data...thats all.
 
@JABFreeware what language/platform?
 
@Squiggle command line. Linux or windows.
 
user6096770
@Squiggle so the best/proper way to use c# with sql is entity framework?
 
7:13 AM
I know baltic servers offers a super cheap trial of their dedicated server for a few days. But I imagine they must have some kinda abuse prevention to prevent what I want to do use them for lol.
 
aws.amazon.com/lambda perhaps? I'm not sure if that's what it's intended for
@FluffyWuffy That's the "standard approach" to most small applications now, yeah. It simplifies a lot of things.
 
@Squiggle that...might work.
 
@FluffyWuffy but always remember: The goal isn't to "Use EF, SQL and C#". The goal is "to persist some data". There are always other ways you could do that, like Mongo DB or flat files.
"I have a C# program that needs to load and save data all the time. EF helps me to generate a database and write some simple commands to read and write my data."
 
their memory allocation is pathetic though... don't think its designed to do what I need.
 
:(
BTW, that's a lot of data
 
7:18 AM
I wish there was a site like where you could post your needs and the price you are willing to pay and people with the powerful enough systems could respond
 
@JABFreeware ah, AWS provides High-Performance Computing services too aws.amazon.com/hpc
basically just EC2 VMs tailored to number crunching
so yeah, boot up an EC2 instance and have at it
 
Hello.
From the other side.
 
hah :D
Florida: It's Basically Still A Swamp
o/ Roel. Not been to bed yet?
 
Pretty big alligator.. Shieeet
 
7:23 AM
oh yeah.... for about $1-2/hr they have what I need it seems. If their processing speed is decent shouldn't take more than a few hours.
 
@Squiggle I have.
the power
 
lol you sure that is real? looks a bit too big for a croco
 
CPU time isn't so expensive. Data transfer was always the killer, IME.
 
@Squiggle Is it just me or is AWS pricing confusing af?
 
clear as mud
 
my advice? Throw a bit of money at it and then cut costs by tweaking your plan.
 
Too big for a croco, but not for an alligator
 
@Squiggle yeah they look like the best option. Better than a trial. Last time I abused a trial of hosting they tried to charge me for a whole year of hosting to cover the "damages"
 
crikey
 
Uploading the data could take a while from my connection lol. I only get 20 up
makes me jealous of people in parts of the world that get 200 down and 100 up and think thats "normal"
 
7:43 AM
...
 
!!!
 
y upload is 800kbps
my*
 
@Proxy 3g?
 
no adsl
 
ouch.
 
7:44 AM
we have 10mbp/800kbps
and we share it with family next dor
 
@Proxy I survived on 3mbp/1mbp for a while it sucks
 
so besides surfing you cant do much
 
@JABFreeware Normal? That's slow!
 
i even cant play any games online anymore :(
 
We have 10/3 shared through 3 people in my office... Today we're gonna be 5 sharing that net...
 
7:46 AM
@Proxy when I moved and got my 100 down I download a LOT. Torrent traffic was quite heavy lol.
 
And at home I have 500/50..
 
I downloaded like few hundred gig the first week lol
 
meh i dont download that much anyway
 
@RoelvanUden saying hi from an alternative highspeed universe?
 
EZ.. Download Titanfall with its 60GB uncompressed sound and you'll be good
 
7:47 AM
even if i watch something its streaming
 
@JakobMillah seriously? 60GB of sound?
 
I think yes, something like it
And they didn't want to compress it due to the Console users... 2heavyloads
 
My ISP keeps trying to convince me to upgrade to gigabit fibre. A bargain at ~230EUR/month
 
@JakobMillah thats terrible... a customer of mine...their office shares what amounts to 3 down with 15 computers. I HATE having to remote into that system...the lag is seriously a few seconds.
 
lol 230
 
7:49 AM
@JakobMillah still thats pretty insane
 
thats like 30% of salary here
 
@Squiggle I sure hope you took the deal?
 
@Proxy yearly?
 
monthly
 
@JakobMillah hell no. I don't even max out my 30/30 connection :P
 
7:50 AM
@Squiggle Broooo, but it's a super friendly deal! You'll support the CEO with another bonus boost
 
I don't understand... why do people go for such high speeds on personal connections? I mean at 100 I really can't complain at all. Can watch 4k no streaming no delay in skipping while downloading a few torrents. Unless you're running a server I don't get it...
 
people like big stuff
 
@JABFreeware I needed the up speed. So I had to. But I am only paying like 35 euro anyway
 
@misha130 thats what she said...
 
But I have to say downloading games with 70-80Mb/s is pretty fancy
 
7:52 AM
@JakobMillah yeah up speed always seems to suck in teh US. Down can be good but up...slow.
 
Some ISP still offer 100/100 here. But it's usually like 100/10
 
@JakobMillah And then... you go to download something from sourceforge and have to watch it download at 500kbs lol
 
So in ordewr to get 50 up, I had to pay for the 500
 
I don't get why its always slower with cable and fiber. Bandwidth is bandwidth up or down. Seems like they shouldn't care.
 
priority of routers
 
8:00 AM
hmmm
 
It depends on connection type. DSL suffers from neighborhood noise. Cable suffers from synchronization issues. Fibre is the only one that doesn't have these issues. So, to effectively get the same bandwidth up on cable and fibre, the cable should actually be somewhere around 5-10x as good.
Which it never is.
 
it's still noticeably better
 
true
 
I pay 62eu/month for internet. Because monopoly.
There is only one cable company left. DSL sucks even more, so I'm not getting that.
So I have no choice. And they can just ask whatever price they want.
 
a datacenter in Chicago offers 100GB/s both up and down. Fiber straight to the dedicated machines supposedly. Also costs thousands a month lol. But cool.
@RoelvanUden You only have one provider in your area?
 
8:03 AM
@Shog9 i wanna discuss with you
 
Why on earth are you tagging shog in here
 
@Shog9 <> @RaviVGHL
@Shog9 >< @RaviVGHL
 
Can we quit that please
 
@Sippy if you insult, sir.
insist
 
I don't have to, but shog will probably come in here and insist if you don't.
 
8:11 AM
@JABFreeware one cable provideryeah
One cable provider, 3~5 DSL providers (which is crap), 0 fibre.
 
that sucks
so they can treat you like crap and know you wont leave them
 
their pricing starts at 56eu for absolute crap, 60eu for good, 65 for insanely good.
yeah; no choice.
 
@RoelvanUden my former isp was in that position. They only came to fix the issue after I started calling them several times a day for several days.
Apparently they thought a 300ms ping time was "normal"
 
If you dial into the other side of the world perhaps.
But yeah, that totally sucks too.
 
We got the same issue with 4G in Sweden.. They are literally robbing people with their prices
 
8:15 AM
@RoelvanUden For the speeds you get, that's what most people in the UK would pay too.
 
@RoelvanUden lol the speedtest server was 100 miles away
 
20GB download/month for about 30 euro
 
@Sippy 200/20 is what I have atm :p
 
yeah
 
@JABFreeware :|
 
8:15 AM
That costs a lot in the UK
 
Yeah but the UK obviously hasn't invested in infrastructure since the 1800s
 
Damn son
 
of course it was my fault somehow nvm the fact it was their router and three different devices had issues with it lol
 
It's never the problem of the ISP.
 
Hi all of these
 
8:18 AM
@RoelvanUden yup. Even when they showed up they stayed with that. I just threatened to keep calling if they didnt do the tests I said to. Its sad when you have to tell the tech what to check and your not even a network engineer...
 
I am a developer of c#
 
@user1473832 Bwhahahahaha
Sorry. Reflex.
@JABFreeware That.. happens here too.
 
sounds like one of those youtube videos about "I want to be a C# developer" animation
 
lol
hi...I'm C# puts on glasses
 
java cant see sharp you guys xD
 
8:22 AM
@misha130 and its so fat...
 
C#: Your place for crude comments about Java and the English illiterate
 
^^java
 
@RoelvanUden tru dat
 
I wish my computer would stop bugging me about malware its found... so annoying
 
8:26 AM
send me 10 BTC and I will make it so
 
@RoelvanUden I was just thinking the same as I rode the omnibus past the coking mills this morn
 
@misha130 Ahahahahaha brilliant.
@TomW You did what now?
 
O.o
 
morning
 
morning
 
8:29 AM
@RoelvanUden sorry, my mental cache of 'things we don't use anymore goes:
1) Java
 
@Mr.Toxy happy Macaroon Day!!!
 
I had to think up a few more on the fly
 
@JABFreeware hmmmm macaroon. happy macaroon day then :D
 
@TomW I may need to google omnibus and coking mills then.
 
People love to hate Java
 
8:33 AM
@Mr.Toxy indeed
 
but java literally sucks
 
I've never eaten a Macaroon
 
@TomW Aha now it makes more sense!
 
its crispy @Sippy
 
Oh.
Lame.
 
8:34 AM
No, you're lame.
 
@misha130 yeah it may suck but people cant get enough of it hahahahaha
 
oh daaaamn my gf makes these occasionally. They're sublime
they take, like, 5 hours
 
jesus :o
that much?
 
perhaps 4.
 
damn srry about this but for that long I would give up on the cakes and would eat her HAHAHAHAHHAHA
something burned in the office o.O
 
8:37 AM
@Mr.Toxy there is a certain resemblance...
 
French meringue is a pain to get right, and the flavorings take time as well
 
@Mr.Toxy plz no
 
@Squiggle pls no what?
 
@Squiggle My mother is wicked at meringues
 
8:38 AM
just... no.
@Sippy ah, but she probably does Italian and Swiss meringues, right?
 
You meringuist bigot
 
oh no wait
 
I was joking damn T.T
 
/pedant
 
it's italian meringue which is the most difficult, but makes the best macarons
 
8:40 AM
all that food talk is making me hungry
 
you gotta pour molten sugar slowly into whisked egg whites
 
@Squiggle seems...easy...enough?
if you have two hands that is
 
@JABFreeware please try it and report back!
 
@Squiggle I dont know where the whisk is...
 
you don't need a hand-whisk. Just use your kenwood chef or kitchenaid.
you have one of those, right?
 
8:42 AM
I generally just use a blender
 
blender is awesome
 
lol my gf was having a middle-class moment of clarity the other day. "Oh my god I have become what I hate. I'm milling my own chia seeds."
 
@Mr.Toxy yup! I made gravy once using a blender. Not my finest moment but it worked...
 
and I was all like "lol, you said that before when you bought an avocado slicer"
#waitrose #2middleclass4u #ennui
 
8:44 AM
#endHashtags
 
#end region
 
@Squiggle roflmao
 
@Squiggle amen
@Mr.Toxy is that image from theoatmeal by any chance?
 
My mum hates waitrose now because when they started doing free coffee, all the peasants started flocking there for it
That is as she put it.
 
peasants lol
 
8:45 AM
It isn't even nice coffee.
 
@JABFreeware it's from live meme :op
:p
@Sippy it's free it's good XD
 
Spotify is not satisfying my needs for new good music...augh.
 
@Mr.Toxy Well done you passed the peasant test.
2
 
the thing that annoys me about spotify and google play music is how they always select the same songs out of millions
based on what I listened to before
and I honestly don't have time or patience to make my own playlists
 
@Sippy Congrats man :D here they usually give free food and what not on the subway, today I had "pão de deus" wich literally means God's bred and it was pretty damn good, free doesn't mean its bad. But yeah Im talking about free samples to make people know their business those need to be good... what ur talking about feels like a shitty deal made by the cafe to increase the client number
 
8:49 AM
@Mr.Toxy That is exactly what it is.
 
@StevenLiekens ikr. It doesn't seem to understand that the reason I like most the songs I listen to is the way they SOUND. Not the lyrics so much.
 
And it works cos all the peasants came to their store.
 
yup it's a pretty good advertisement, people just well if it's free they all gonna flock there
and people go for free coffee and end up buying some pastry to go with it...
 
@Mr.Toxy even if they dont like coffee?
 
@JABFreeware well think like this: even if you dont like beer and someone offered you beer the chances are you gonna take it right? it's the same about what the cafe is doing. Free means that people are going there even if they dont like it
 
8:53 AM
@Mr.Toxy you're telling me there are people who don't like beer? This is confusing...
 
@JABFreeware I dont like beer... but sometimes tastes well. when Im drunk HAHAHAHAHA
 
@Mr.Toxy well I don't like the taste of most erm efficient alcoholic beverages. I like the result though lol which is the only reason I drink the efficient ones. If you're going to get drunk why not get drunk fast right?
 
hahahahahaha
u got a valid point right there
 
@JABFreeware Hello! I am one of those people!
 
Don't drink 190 proof straight though... that doesn't end well
 
8:56 AM
Most people don't like the taste of alcohol
 
I don't know those most people @Sippy
 
That's cos you're Dutch
 
ouch
 
NL is the only place where you can go to a festival, everyone will get totally hammered and take a shit load of drugs then wake up in the morning, go for a run and eat some fruit.
 
I don't have that kind of energy
 
8:58 AM
I don't have that kind of coordination in the morning after that lol
 
In Sweden they will wake up next morning, regret everything and say that they will never drink or do drugs ever again.. Next weekend it's the same story
 
@Sippy Isn't that normal?
 
@JakobMillah Last time for real this time!
 
@JakobMillah thats what 90% of the population does hehehehe the 10% well... Russians
 

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