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7:00 PM
I think one of the top priorities should be getting stored procs into source control
 
user47589
he was basically jesus with dbs. could walk on water, turn water into sql, etc.
 
And every full moon he would turn into Santa. And that's where SQL gets the term "were-claus".
 
user47589
lol
 
user47589
actually he does do the santa thing in malls and stuff
 
7:03 PM
Thought it was in the Info table - used it once
 
user47589
if i dared access facebook at work i'd show a pic of a dba santa
 
when ya get home ;-)
we all walk out of work but really never leave
 
user47589
truth
 
if you're looking to search a db for terms... why not use red-gate.com/products/sql-development/sql-search ?
 
user47589
redgate has good tools
 
7:09 PM
i introduced the db guy at my last employer to it - he was absolutely over the moon
 
user47589
it launched him into space? calls NASA
 
yup
it's that good
without a three stage rocket
 
@EricWu So how did the stored procedures get into production in the first place? Devs just have permission to create them as needed? From DB backups from who knows where? Or is it some nightmarish corporation where some crotchety IT guy abusing his DB Admin powers has you fill out a form for every stored procedure that he and only he has the right to authorize and create.
 
@Amy private browsing not allowed at work?
 
private is only as far as the cache - hits the proxy and they know
 
7:15 PM
facebook is over https anyway
 
user47589
its frowned upon
 
@juanvan I meant as in not work related.
 
just set up a custom style script to make it look dark with green text like a scary hacker website
 
user47589
they can still see the requested URL
 
the domain I guess
 
7:18 PM
VPN to home router.
 
hehehe smile you guys
 
someone should set up scaffolding for jicama
 
What is jicama?
 
> yeoman rye-emmenthal-jicama-panino
 
the best JS lib out there
 
7:19 PM
@SteveG :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
 
@scheien you don't know about jicama yet?
What a loser. Keep up with the times, man.
 
nah, enlighten me!
 
!!jicamajs
 
is this.... magic?
I love arcane shit.
 
7:20 PM
100% test coverage
infinite growth in stars in the last month
 
@scheien lol thats what i'm talking about
 
I guess return 42; is inappropriate?
@SteveG: yeah! Hows your app coming along?
 
Ugh. I guess steps to repro this bug would be too much to ask.
 
@mikeTheLiar Time to play guess-the-combination-of-settings-and-data-prep-that-broke-the-thing
 
> Bug report: shit's broken
> Attached: screen shot of broken shit
> Desired functionality: shit should not be broken
 
user47589
7:23 PM
lol
 
@mikeTheLiar basically every bug report I ever see
 
!!learn bugreport "<>http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28683381#28683381"
 
@mikeTheLiar Command bugreport learned
 
Does the bug report have a timestamp so you can pull up the set of exceptions that occurred when the bug was happening
 
You know what, it does. Just doesn't have the environment where this was observed.
 
7:27 PM
@mikeTheLiar just close it
Author will learn
 
why is creating an excel book from code so goddamn slow
 
user47589
I just merged my first github pull request! stands proud
 
user47589
@Failsafe, JicamaJS is now better than ever.
 
How can you be better than perfect?
 
user47589
its redefining perfection
 
7:29 PM
Its...... revolutionary
 
wtf y u nerf jicamajs, rollback pls
 
user47589
i'm not rolling back my first and only pull request!
 
rip jicama
 
its ok ill just reject it
revert head
 
user47589
noooooooooo
 
user47589
7:30 PM
i am undone!
 
there are no PR's
lol
 
there are no PRs only zuul
 
user47589
i merged it, @Failsafe
 
user47589
you are too late.
 
7:32 PM
REVERT!!! REVERT!!
 
user47589
VICTORY IS MINE
 
today I: tried to convince my team that I'm doing them a favor by trying to reduce the amount of meetings we have
having junior devs is interesting...
 
@Codeman are you?
 
I am the "team expert" this week and I haven't been showing our production graphs and metrics and such because there is nothing of note happening - people want to see them every day, but I feel like it's a waste of time
 
From my time as a junior dev one of my top peeves was 'not being told what's going on'
 
7:37 PM
 
@TomW well... less meetings means more time spent doing productive work
@TomW we are definitely told what's going on - that's what standups are for
 
@TomW the solution to that is not necessarily a meeting
 
I'm basically saying "standup should be the only meeting we have on a regular basis"
 
That's a type of meeting
 
banter
 
7:38 PM
not to mention - everyone can see what everyone else is working on in the Scrum board
 
Meetings are like people with clipboards on the street. They are almost never worth your time.
 
what if it's a meeting about pay increase
 
if your meeting invite has the words "optional" or "FYI" in it, just cancel the meeting
 
Standups are fine within a dev team, but that doesn't give you context. Why are we doing this, who's the faceless person writing these BS requirements...
 
user47589
have a meeting about meetings
 
7:39 PM
@TomW we cover that in sprint planning, which is once every 3 weeks
 
@Amy all meetings are about meetings
if you involve managers
 
user47589
a metameeting
 
and our team lead has one on ones with everyone on the team on a weekly basis
 
@TomW that's why you have a product owner
 
Client: Hey, when I log into your web app from Japan, it's very fast. Same with India and England. But when I log into it from China it's slow. Can you fix that please.
 
7:40 PM
@RyanTernier the requirements are clear. How many story points do you need?
 
@RyanTernier Whats the problem, go fix it
 
@RyanTernier Knee Jerk reaction: Yes, I am contacting the Chinese government right now to fix this issue.
 
> Bug Report: CLONES "Speed in China slow" - Speed in North Korea slow
 
Alibaba is setting me as priority
click
 
"We'll need to increase budget if we're going to fund a revolution"
 
7:42 PM
You say you want a revolution
 
user47589
i want a revelation
 
well you know, we all want to change the world
 
user47589
i want to rule the world
 
Rules.Add("world");
 
user47589
Programming guarantees citizenship.
2
 
7:43 PM
Would you like to know more?
 
@TravisJ you tell me that it's evolution
 
Do you consent to being programmed?
 
Program me, baby.
 
In Soviet Russia, Citizenship guarantees programming.
 
user47589
i'm glad travis got the reference. he's awesome like that.
 
7:44 PM
:D
What if chat rooms had kareoke
 
> A developer accepts personal responsibility for the quality of the codebase, defending it with his life. A programmer does not.
 
Oh boy, this is getting good. Manager is now explaining to primary stakeholder why what he pushed last night (again, at 10 minutes before EOD) is all janked up.
 
@mikeTheLiar - And you are in earshot of the conversation?
 
Yes. Open office plan.
 
@mikeTheLiar ahahahaha. Serves him right.
blames developer
....fuck.
 
7:46 PM
lol
 
@TomW blames developer from contractor's team
 
user47589
he's my developer when he's good. he's your developer when he isn't.
 
Well, I broke a build for five days.
 
@Amy Before sunrise, he's your developer.
 
Just fixed it this afternoon
 
7:49 PM
@TomW - Hopefully it was not the production build
@TomW - Did you break it to improve it?
 
@TravisJ There's another kind of build?
:D
 
@KendallFrey - haha :)
 
@TravisJ we don't have a production build
and yes
We're not in production
and automatic deploying to prod wouldn't make sense for us anyway
I feel like a complete dick when I have to say "can everyone just please leave it alone and stop distracting me, it's done when it's done"
I know what I need to do, but doing it is very laborious, so just...stop whining
 
user47589
get a squirt bottle. when someone whines, squirt them.
 
user47589
works for my cats.
 
7:55 PM
@TomW if you think you sound like a dick, preface it with an "I appreciate that what I'm working on is important to you, because [insert reasons it's important to them here]. Unfortunately, this is a very laborious task, so it might take a while. I would appreciate your patience while I get it done"
Suddenly, not a dick.
 
user47589
i prefer the squirt bottle approach.
 
Of course I don't actually say that
 
@Amy - lol
 
"wtf you squirted me with a squirt bottle"
"stop doing things i don't like"
 
"What sort of things?" squirt
 
8:00 PM
"hey is that done yet?"
--squirt--
"don't do that again =/"
--squirt--
"get your things."
 
--bucket--
 
user47589
"why, are we going on a picnic?"
 
--pour--
 
ice bucket challenge?
I loved all the fail videos from that challenge, too bad it ran its course
 
@scheien i'm working on it too slow :(
 
user47589
8:04 PM
i liked patrick stewart's ice bucket challenge video
 
need to find somebody to motivate me
 
user47589
Sir Patrick Stewart is awesome.
 
^
 
user47589
He conducted the marriage ceremony of some friends of mine at DragonCon last year or the year before
 
user47589
Very awesome guy.
 
8:08 PM
Amazing...although, is that actually allowed?
 
Stewart > Shatner ; Picard < Kirk
 
user47589
I don't think it was an "official" wedding. They already had their license.
 
user47589
or certificate or whatever
 
@Amy - You got the meet him?
 
what does a license even mean anymore
 
user47589
8:09 PM
I didn't.
 
You need a license to get married, but not to have a gun...
Then again, think of the damage you can do with a marriage.
 
license to file taxes jointly
 
user47589
I've never been to dragoncon. I'll post the pic of them getting married by Sir Patrick Stewart when i get home.
 
user47589
i misremembered apparently.
 
8:12 PM
That's quite a tan for a limey
I guess he lives somewhere else now
 
How do I extract the day portion of a date return from a query in C#
 
user47589
you have a DateTime object?
 
user47589
!!msdn DateTime
 
@Amy That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: mdn
 
user47589
hm, Caprica doesn't have a MSDN command?
 
8:13 PM
TFW you get an ~8hr report to run in 56 seconds
 
user47589
how do we teach caprica to use MSDN?
 
@Amy use jicama
 
She has a mdn command but that's different
!!google site:msdn.microsoft.com datetime
 
8:16 PM
@TravisJ Day in a date e.g. 2/8/16, I need to get the day part first compare it to the another day and get the month part and do the same
 
!!help
 
@mikeTheLiar Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
@Amy I'm sure if somebody wanted to play around with the learn command we could get something functional for msdn
 
user47589
Alex, again, do you have a DateTime object? If not, how is your date represented?
 
I have an object returned from the query
 
user47589
8:20 PM
what kind of object
 
If the column is of datetime type I believe you should be able to cast it to DateTime. ezpz
 
user47589
we can't answer your question if you don't know what kind of object represents your date
 
user47589
it could be a string, or a DateTime, or something else
 
@Amy Its the returned query result as EventDate
I tried DateTime.Day but get an error saying it can't be used like a method
 
user47589
EventDate isn't a data type that I recognize.
 
8:27 PM
And what's an EventDate?
 
EventDate is the column from the query
 
user47589
is EventDate the column name, perhaps?
 
user47589
erm, okay.
 
public void Handle(AddAfterActionReportCommand command)
{
var afterActionReport = new Domain.AfterActionReport
{
UserId = command.UserId,
ReportDate = DateTime.Now,
ApprovalCode = command.ApprovalCode,
EventDate = command.EventDate.Value,
 
Try changing EventDate = command.EventDate.Value, to `EventDate = ConvertTo.DateTime(command.EventDate.Value),
See what happens
 
8:32 PM
The name ConvertTo does not exist in the current context
 
user47589
typo. he meant Convert.ToDateTime
 
What Amy said
 
Ok that worked for that
 
I used to have drop downs in Visual Studio when I had code open that would list all objects/methods that I could use to jump around but now they're gone. :(
 
user47589
at the top of the code editor window?
 
8:38 PM
@mikeTheLiar those should be on the top right?
 
Yeah
They're gone.
 
user47589
 
@Amy you're my hero
 
user47589
:)
 
I just stumbled upon this post codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/16226/…
anyone has similar posts?
 
8:40 PM
@Amy You know what? I was about to say that I had no idea why they went away but then I remembered - I was trying to figure out how to get ride of the HTML breadcrumb map for you
I broke VS for you, Amy. I hope you appreciate it.
 
user47589
:(
 
user47589
:)
 
user47589
:(
 
user47589
I do.
 
That looks like a wet dog wagging its tail.
 
user47589
8:41 PM
Thank you for your sacrifice.
 
user47589
I can't be your hero if I'm also the villain.
 
143
A: I need a program where the user inputs an array of doubles and the program outputs the array sorted

SWekoC# - There's no kill like overkill First of all, dear GiMmEtHaCoDeZ, let's try to break down your task: Read the numbers Sort them Output the sorted numbers. As "Divide and conquer" is very important strategy when working with software problems, lets tackle them one at a time 1. Reading An...

rofl
 
user47589
i like the perl answer
 
8:59 PM
echo " aaehrrty"
that is the best one
 
^
 
taking a sword to the problem
 
the C one is pretty good
where they just keep asking for input until the user sorts it themself
lol
 
user47589
haha
 
I wish there was an O(n!) answer
 
9:00 PM
ya make the user do the work - lazy user
 
im out
 
user47589
the cobol one is good too
 
peace
 
user47589
peace out
 
peace
 
9:01 PM
!!xkcd sorts
 
Oh, Cap doesn't include the title text. :(
> StackSort connects to StackOverflow, searches for 'sort a list', and downloads and runs code snippets until the list is sorted.
 
user47589
lol
 
JobInterviewQuicksort is painful
 
9:05 PM
i don't even remember any of the sorting algorithms other than .OrderBy(...).ThenBy()
i could guess on a few of them, binary search is easy to remember
the others.... pfft
 
@mikeTheLiar - Especially if it is implemented as divide and conquer
 
user47589
I could maybe implement quicksort. Bubble sort is easy.
 
user47589
I don't remember merge sort
 
@mikeTheLiar So... List.Sort(); isn't sufficient anymore :(
 
user47589
i can't think of any other sorting algorithms :(
 
9:14 PM
@Amy - hashshort
 
I was asked about sorts a few years ago in an interview. They asked me to describe an easy sorting algorithm. I responded list.sort(). They laughed.
 
user47589
hehe
 
It depends on the language. C#'s .Sort() uses quicksort
 
But seriously, sorting is all based on the objects your sorting. Unless your'e google or working on something like a search engine, the extra 1ms it's going to take to sort shit will be negligable.
 
Which is... rather fast. But definitely not simple
Ah, 1ms is worthwhile to save. But it is usually in the microsecond range, which no one cares about.
 
9:17 PM
spends 3 days to develop ultra fast sort to sort a list of 10 items, or use List.sort()
 
@RyanTernier dev time > run time
 
yeah, using .sort() on a 10 item list is going to take ballpark 50 microseconds (not really measurable for the most part)
 
@mikeTheLiar That is totally dependant on maintainability + project type
 
or rather, importanceOf(devTime) > importanceOf(runTime)
In most cases
 
user47589
@RyanTernier is your avatar pic current? i love that 'stache
 
9:19 PM
@mikeTheLiar - You know, when I think about the time it takes to make something versus the time it takes for something to work I always think of the telephone
 
Maintainability, contract length?, cost of developer vs derived cost of faster sort to clients, etc.
old. here's a newer one.
 
The telephone would never be made today, because it is nearly impossible to think of making something that would be ready with unique numbers for everyone. Even back then no one had considered its widespread use. However, it was made anyway and it started with only a handful of numbers.
It wasn't made with the idea of working for everyone, and it wasn't released with the idea that it would be available for everyone. Over time, the availability and logistical issues involved simply developed slowly until it was ready for the masses.
@RyanTernier - Have you been good Ryan? Haven't seen you in a while
 
@TravisJ I got engaged over Xmas =D
 
woohoo! congrats :)
 
user47589
nice
 
9:22 PM
Other than that I am busy. toying with starting my own consulting firm back up
 
Things have been moving rather quickly lately.
 
Thanks :) My Fiance is finishing her second degree in nursing so it'll be nice to have her crazy school @#%# done with.
 
Yeah I hear that. Mine just finished last year and started her career. Definitely made things a lot easier.
 
Hence why I'm thinking of jumping back in as my own boss :P
I've done the math, it works well, just trying to figure out if it's a good time or not.
 
user47589
where are you located, @RyanTernier?
 
9:27 PM
Vancouver
I have a few recruiters trying to get me contracts at 60-65$ /hr, but that's way too low for me. I currently get hired out at 115-130$ an hour.
 
@RyanTernier - Do you find the contracts they hire you out as?
 
@TravisJ If I dug around at specific agencies (liek a bank, or government agency) i could get a better rate, around 5$ an hour more. But going through a recruiter is sometimes better because they can introduce you to exclusive contracts
 
@RyanTernier - I meant the "currently get hired out" part. Is that hired out as a service that your firm offers? Does the firm find the contracts to hire you out for?
 
haha I just discovered a brilliant bug
I was assuming all along the problem was permissions in Program Files. Turns out it's because "Program Files" has a space in it.
 
user47589
the brain bug?
 
9:45 PM
@TravisJ Yes. My company would form a contract with Comapny X, and my company would hire me out on that contract
 
@RyanTernier - So they are taking on a lot of overhead and liability in that circumstance. When they hire you out, do you get the rate of $115-$130 or is that what they bill and then pass on a subrate?
 
I get paid a lot less than what they hire me at
If I did it on my own, i'd have a lower sallary than I make now as my company would eat a lot of my expenses, lowering my tax.
 
At least in Massachusetts contractors/temps need to make at least 50% of what the billing rate is.
 
hwoever my take home would be the same as it is now.
@mikeTheLiar I wish.
 
So in order for you to obtain that rate for yourself, you are going to take over the role of overhead and liability. I think a good place to start, in my opinion, would be to determine if you can be classified as an official support company (your consulting firm) for a set of major vendors.
That would at least provide some protection from risk.
 
9:50 PM
@TravisJ Similar to what my approach is. I'm working with a guy who started a company like this on his own in the US, and moved to Canada. He's helping me out with all my brainstorming
So far it's proffitable. I'll take home more than i'm doing now, and my company is 30k in the bank at the end of the year.
 
Not bad, but running a company can definitely take on a lot of risk with regards to making profit. At what margin is 30k? I know that 19% is a fair rate, 25% is usually the minimum goal. Do you have a margin in mind? Tech does tend to be higher.
 
It's about 24%
The risk is there, but i'm at the stage in my career that if I take a year off and totally fail, i can come back and get a job quite quickly
the market is exploding in Vancouver.
A lot of US Investors realize that if they open a shop in Vancouver, and fund it with US $$, it goes a LOT farther than doing it in the US
I want to do what I love to do, not always what I need to do to make money. At this time I'm able to do that with My Fi going into her career. and If I am able to support us at a better rate doing what I love to do, isn't it worth it ? :)
Tonight I should have a rough copy of my website done locally, going to try and get it up before the weekend.
 
10:12 PM
I want to nuke all this bad css
but it's turtles all the way down
 
@Shoe and halfway down one of the turtles is !important
 
You know it
 
user47589
I offer you my services as a turtle hunter.
 
These turtles are deadly
 
user47589
I have grenades.
 
10:20 PM
@Amy I think these turtles might be ninjas.
 
user47589
How old are they?
 
@TravisJ The deployment of barcodes is similarly baffling in my opinion
 
@Amy somewhere in the adolescent age. Early sexual maturity.
 
How did someone coerce practically every manufacturer of goods to get on board with the idea of putting unique stripes and numbers on packages?
 
user47589
I know a guy. He works for a company called The Foot.
 
10:26 PM
What's his title?
 
user47589
Mincer
 
!!define mince
 
@mikeTheLiar [mince](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=66385) (uncountable) Finely chopped meat.
Mince tastes really good fried in a pan with some chopped onion and tomato.
 
!!urban mince
 
@mikeTheLiar mince 1. (v.) (perj.) To move or act in a way that implies homosexuality.
 
user47589
10:28 PM
Yup that's him.
 
@mikeTheLiar sweeeeeeeeeeeeet
 
@Jeremy I love the idea that at some point out there in history there were people who were truly passionate about barcodes.
 
I still spend a lot of time playing with barcodes.
 
My last job we had the algorithm the US DOT used for generating Driver LIcense Bar codes
 
10:34 PM
And then QR codes were going to be the next big thing
And at one point MS was developing something that was basically QR codes in color
 
@RyanTernier So what you're saying is now you manufacture fake IDs for a living
 
that's what you're talkinga bout - what MS was pushing
 
High Capacity Color Barcode (HCCB) is a technology developed by Microsoft for encoding data in a 2D "barcode" using clusters of colored triangles instead of the square pixels conventionally associated with 2D barcodes or QR codes. Data density is increased by using a palette of 4 or 8 colors for the triangles, although HCCB also permits the use of black and white when necessary. It has been licensed by the ISAN International Agency for use in its International Standard Audiovisual Number standard, and serves as the basis for the Microsoft Tag mobile tagging application . The technology was created...
@RyanTernier yup
 
so that's the barcode authority/registrar I guess
 
Little do the sheep know that within every QR barcode is a real minecraft level where innocent people live
 
10:37 PM
!!> 4**50/2
 
@Jeremy "SyntaxError: expected expression, got '*'"
 
Digging...building... crafting
 
!!> Math.pow(4,50)/2
 
@Jeremy 6.338253001141147e+29
 
yeah that's a lot of information
 
10:44 PM
holy 8000 line typescript file
@RyanTernier we have those all over campus for our jogging trails
 
@Codeman what do innocent people do for your jogging trails?
:^)
 
@Jeremy eh wot?
 
@Codeman I swapped it on you
:^)
 
10:59 PM
Ooh, I forgot I had a brownie left over from lunch.

In other news, I am now eating a brownie.
 
11:21 PM
@SteveG having a beer in your honor
 
ty
<really inappropriate comment>
 
tomorrow is going to suck - so that is the reason for the drinks tonight
Its great when a site is down, it shows you how to view the cached version on good till the site is up
 
I'm spending the weekend at a hot springs resort with my gf... very very looking forward to that, lol
 
watching the pro tour, that was some crazy time
 
"hot" springs
 
11:34 PM
think they are going to 1 off eye of ugin to slow it down
hot spring are really fun, kinda tastes funny
 
@juanvan You're....... doing something wrong
 
ya breathing under water, going back to my roots when I had gills
 
@KendallFrey "private" tubs
 
11:55 PM
Is there a way to make a type of int actually display as 01 not 1?
Without converting to string?
 
uhm, that is a string
 
@Codeman Sigh...
 

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