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5:01 PM
@MorganThrapp Oh, great. I'll pick up a couple of bottles.
 
@idjaw They're releasing like 400 of them, so you should be able to snag at least 2 or 3.
Someday I want to have the disposable income to spend 35k on a bottle of scotch.
I don't think I would, but I want that to be a viable option.
 
Will make for good host gifts. I should pick up a few cases
 
I love how SO links to the last message by that person if you don't use a specific message
bah
 
hey
 
5:05 PM
There's also the 62 year, which at only 25k a bottle, is clearly for the peasantry.
 
There we go. Heh.
 
too bad I missed that
I "know" that kid
(the spamming one)
 
He spammed it in a bunch of rooms, and got a 30 day chat ban.
 
he's been suspended on the main site at least twice for "voting irregularities"
otherwise a 15 year old kid
(which doesn't really matter)
some of the youngest users on SO I know are the most mature
 
I don't drink... pretty much the extent of my alcohol knowledge is from Parks and Rec: youtube.com/watch?v=JoXdC2zDi0s
@AndrasDeak true story. Though occasionally they'll make some poor decisions.
As I'm sure we all were prone to during those teenage years, at least ;)
 
5:09 PM
:)
 
@WayneWerner That was great. I really need to finish watching parks and rec.
 
I'm surprised their account is still around in that case.
@idjaw You really do, it's a great show.
 
@idjaw Man, that was such a good show.
I read somewhere that the reason Parks and Rec was so good is that fundamentally it was just a sweet show about friends
 
@MorganThrapp well last time it was a 1-month ban, I guess it escalates each time
 
apparently the cones of dunshire are being turned in to a real game
 
5:11 PM
I think I had heard about that
heh
or maybe just really wanted it to be a thing
not that I would like to play it
 
speaking of which, Adam Scott is fantastic. Have you seen Party Down?
 
as I hate Risk, because it takes for-ev-errrrr
 
Yeah, isn't Adam Scott a massive board game geek in real life?
 
I think I remember reading that as well
I just found out that my copy of StarCraft The Board Game is worth a lot of money because it is out of print.
I'm going to have to hold on to that
 
Nice!
 
5:13 PM
@idjaw i really regret chucking my print copy of the WH40K rules. The original books are going for a lottt of cash on ebay. :(
 
it might be worth more to put it somewhere publicly visible and say "neener neener" to everyone around
 
@Withnail I got rid of all my old consoles and games to buy a Playstation 1. One of my biggest regrets.
 
hah
yes
 
I have most(?) consoles...
 
I have a Wii!
 
5:15 PM
I recently bought an old Spectrum ZX for nostalgia/refurb purposes. It cost about the same as it originally did, I think. :p
 
Atari, NES, Sega Genesis, PS2, PSone, Wii, Xbox360
 
I had an NES, SNES, Gameboy, Genesis. Tons of games, in great condition. I made a point to keep everything in good condition. Had all the boxes and manuals.
 
I had an Atari Lynx...
As ever, I managed to buy the one that tanked.
 
But all I could think of at the time was how I had to get my hands on Final Fantasy VII
 
5:17 PM
Bloomin' loved Junkyard Dog on that.
 
@Withnail did you also get a VirtualBoy?
 
lol, no, whassat?
goes to look
 
As a hit-driven business, the great majority of the video games industry's software releases have been commercial failures. In the early 21st century, industry commentators made these general estimates: 10% of published games generated 90% of revenue; that around 3% of PC games and 15% of console games have global sales of 100,000+ a year, with even this level insufficient to make high-budget titles profitable; and that about 20% of games make a profit. Some of these have drastically changed the video game market since its birth in the late 1970s. For example, the failures of E.T. and Pac-Man for...
heh
I love that that's a list
 
haha, that's amazing.
 
oh, right, I also have an N64
 
5:17 PM
It is a real shame Dreamcast is on that list. Because it was an incredible console. They just made it way too damn easy to copy games.
 
need some new controllers though
Dreamcast was so good
 
it still holds the test of time
It had phenomenal games
 
Hah. They do have the N-Gage on there
 
One game on the Dreamcast I loved that eventually made its way to Gamecube was Ikaruga. One of the hardest games I've ever played
 
that thing was N-garbage (from what I heard)
that game sounds familiar
 
Wow. I never even heard of the N64DD
 
WH40K Rulebook = £50+
gah
I had the Atari Lynx and Sega CD addon for the megadrive/genesis. Can't even remember what game was on it.
 
I'm so glad I didn't back en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
Aside from SonicCD the only game I remember...
 
5:21 PM
jeebus
 
the broodwar expansion is up to ~600$. I had a chance to buy it at 30 a few years ago and didn't
 
oh amazon.com has it for 189...
no...I will not do this...no
 
:D
 
@idjaw C'mon, StarCraft has tons of fanboys
seems like a no-brainer ;)
 
5:22 PM
yes, and I'm one of those. I need to hold back.
 
Ah man, I love Earthworm Jim
 
that looks like jazz jackrabbit
 
I never could get past the 3rd world, though. You had this glass submarine and had to navigate this rock cavern that would burst your bubble
 
how metaphorical
 
Ninja turtles on the NES. That game drove me insane.
I got to the technodrome once. Never again. Never finished it.
 
5:28 PM
So good. Pretty sure that was Nintendo hard
Turtles 3 I think my brother and I beat without using the Konami cheat
Though we beat it many times with the Konami cheate
This was an interesting article about the dev behind ET: bbc.com/news/magazine-35560458
 
oh, how it was a shame to all mankind?
I never saw it, just heard of it few years ago
 
Hey guys, I just discovered that my pip is installing unstable software by default... is this normal? I read at pip's documentation that it should install stable stuff by default...! I'm confused!
It installed PySide 1.2.4, while stable is 1.2.2
and same for matplotlib... it installed 1.5.1 instead of 1.5.0
Could someone explain to me why this could happen?
I discovered this the hard way... after having spend 1 week with Python VM crashing...
 
What makes you think 1.2.2 is the most stable version? They put 1.2.4 on PyPi as the most recent stable release.
 
@TheQuantumPhysicist It will install whatever they put on pypi.
 
Well, I went to crash reports of PySide after discovering a bug, and they called 1.2.2 to be called "release", and higher is unstable
 
5:34 PM
Also, off topic, do people pronounce it pie-pie? or pie-p-i?
 
pie-pie
 
I dunno, they put 1.2.4 on PyPi. pip just grabs the latest version that's on PyPi.
 
I pronounce it "it" ;)
 
I pronounuce it pie-pee but I don't count
 
5:35 PM
Huh, I do pie-p-i.
 
@MorganThrapp I see...
It's really unstable... I discovered a horrible bug in QThread that crashes Python...
I went back now to 1.2.2
 
You need to speak to them then
 
Hopefully will fix it
I created a ticket
but I'm quite upset because it wasted quite some time to be discovered
 
I pronounce pypi pie-p-i or pie-pie depending on if pypy is nearby in the conversation
 
Well, again, that's their fault.
 
5:36 PM
What about PyPy's PyPi?
 
We're getting close to buffalo buffalo buffalo. Was that linked here earlier?
 
Pie-pie's pie-pie you mean?
 
I really want pie now.
 
indeed it has:)
 
Not in the last few hours
That I noticed :P
 
5:38 PM
yeah I can see:D
only twice in the last month
I'll have to take the fun things I learn here and be cool in other chat rooms
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/38209416/… Dupe of the question they asked yesterday.
@WayneWerner I miss hyperbole and a half.
 
> I know this may seem to be a duplicate of a previous question I asked, but I didn't get the correct sort of answer as I don't think I explained it properly, and after I edited the post no one else replied.
you're being sooo critical
 
Pesto-stuffed chicken breast wrapped in bacon, served with garlic baby new potatoes and sugar snap peas. Simple, but bangin'.
 
5:42 PM
they wrote just there that they didn't get correct sort of answer
 
@AndrasDeak If you look at the question, they just didn't implement the answer correctly.
 
heh
 
There's an answer that gives them exactly what they want, but they don't understand it or something.
 
at least they got -4 rep from a self-answer
 
@MorganThrapp IKR? Why are all the creative ones so very non-neurotypical?
 
5:45 PM
@WayneWerner Yeah, no kidding.
 
Howard Tayler, the author/artist behind Schlock Mercenary also has problems
4
It's refreshing to see more openness about that kind of stuff
I was super happy-is-not-the-right-word to read about Kenneth Reitz's issues. I think as typical developers we kind of get a little... myopic(?) about our fellow devs
we see their product
but we don't see the problems that are going on behind the curtains
I know personally it makes me feel less-than-successful when I see all these authors of amazing products and tools
But then it turns out they are manic, or chronically depressed, or they traded their family life for what they invested in the community, or something else...
and we just don't realize that all of the amazing things that they do are really probably some sort of coping mechanism
 
@WayneWerner That was a fantastic read. Thank you for the link!
 
You're welcome :) His wife also shares her side of things, too
 
very nice
 
@wayne that is a brilliant bit of writing. Thanks for pointing it out
 
5:55 PM
And RE: Hyperbole and a Half, if you haven't listened to her interview on NPR, you're welcome: npr.org/2013/11/12/244758140/…
 
I still need to buy her book some day.
I've read all of her posts.
 
Indeed
 
6:13 PM
@WayneWerner thanks for sharing. That was hard to read.
 
DSM
I like Tayler's writing a lot. SM is one of my favourite webcomics. Plus I have a soft spot for him, because I once IRL publicly objected to something one of his characters said. I'm sure it was a coincidence -- he'd really have to have been looking to find my complaint -- but he later revisited the subject with a better take, and it felt like he was writing it just to me..
 
"I'd better have a look at this strip again, I don't want a PI angry at me, those people have connections."
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/38210067/… Give me teh codez and it's getting answers. :/
 
@DSM Nice :)
 
6:46 PM
dupe stackoverflow.com/q/38210320/344286 (they want to access command line args)
 
7:10 PM
I am so ready for summer to be over. I'm fairly certain I'm actually melting.
 
AC is very necessary
 
The AC is on, I'm just a human space heater.
 
AC is a must
 
I run a couple degrees hot on a regular basis, to the point where the doctor always thinks I have a fever.
 
Step 1: solar panels, Step 2: pretend it's Winter indoors
 
DSM
7:15 PM
I don't have AC at home. There is, however, AC in movie theatres; at the gym; in lots of places that aren't home. Ergo, DSM is often not at home.
 
The only place I don't have AC is my car. Otherwise I may have died of heatstroke by now.
 
Holy damn... Death Valley: "This point is 84.6 miles (136.2 km) east-southeast of Mount Whitney, the highest point in the contiguous United States with an elevation of 14,505 feet (4,421 m). Death Valley's Furnace Creek holds the record for the highest reliably recorded air temperature in the world, 134 °F (56.7 °C) on July 10, 1913."
well...1913...let's see what it currently is at
currently 39 celsius
montreal is currently 30 celsius. Not bad
 
It's 28c here.
 
DSM
We're at a cool 26 compared with the recent 30ish.
 
Well, this is an interesting question: stackoverflow.com/q/38210950/344286
 
7:23 PM
pats self on back. I had a feeling it had to do with __slots__
 
We're a balmy 33ºC+ here. Yesterday I think it was 95% humidity to go along with that ridiculosity.
 
@WayneWerner Oh god, that sounds terrible. As my great-grandmother used to say "It ain't the heat, it's the humility"(sic).
When does Python load a module? If I import something and then change the source code, does it store a copy of the pre-change version somewhere?
 
On import
 
Yeah, that's what I figured. Okay.
 
unless you do some magics yourself, on the first import <module>
 
7:28 PM
I'm talking about actually opening the file and changing it by hand. :P
I'm working on debugging something on a remote machine, and I'm hoping to not have to restart the GUI every time.
 
but apparently... at least if I recall the fact from Raymond Hettinger's talk correctly, only with that particular name
so... import foo is different from import bar.foo as foo
so that will actually be imported twice
once as foo and once as bar.foo
 
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Your only option there, @MorganThrapp (AFAIK), would be to add pdb or pudb or some other debugger
then effectively you're monkeypatching the code while running
 
@WayneWerner Yeah, that's what I should do. I just figured it out though, so it's a problem for future Morgan.
Speaking of, I should learn to use pdb at some point too.
 
pdb is nice. pudb is very nice (if you're into the CLI like I am)
 
7:32 PM
Eh, I'll use a CLI if I have to.
Also, it turns out that if you don't pull changes onto the remote machine, they won't be there. Good job, me.
 
hehehehe
btdt
"psh. Fairy handbook? What's that?" Barbie movies are ridiculous -_-
> Gloss Angeles
 
Is there a non-snarky answer for something like this? I feel like no matter what you write, it's going to seem snarky, because it's so blindingly obvious. stackoverflow.com/questions/38211464/…
 
7:50 PM
@MorganThrapp I wonder if they don't get what assert means in a programming context.
 
That's about as good as you get. "I don't understand the word 'blue'. What does it mean?" If you look up the words in a dictionary, you get answers
 
@JRichardSnape Possibly.
 
It's always gonna be a struggle to use a testing framework if you don't get what assert means, though.
 
That was fairly assertive of you, Mr. Snape.
 
7:54 PM
I'm impressed that you could assertain what the OP was talking about.
 
I am often to be found asserting. Sometimes even from a position of some knowledge.
 
What do you call solving the problem of things needing to be done that depend on other things, and you know how long they all take, and you want to generate the most efficient order to do things in?
P.s. cbg :)
 
@RobertGrant Dependant Priority Queue?
I dunno.
 
To put it in a concrete way: I want to take human tasks in a project and order them so they're done in the shortest time possible. Critical path analysis?
 
8:03 PM
The critical path method (CPM) is an algorithm for scheduling a set of project activities. == History == The critical path method (CPM) is a project modeling technique developed in the late 1950s by Morgan R. Walker of DuPont and James E. Kelley, Jr. of Remington Rand. Kelley and Walker related their memories of the development of CPM in 1989. Kelley attributed the term "critical path" to the developers of the Program Evaluation and Review Technique which was developed at about the same time by Booz Allen Hamilton and the U.S. Navy. The precursors of what came to be known as Critical Path were...
 
Hooray for Gantt charts!
 
Thanks :)
 
@RobertGrant critical path method doesn't take resources into account
 
Yeah I'm hoping to extend it
 
also, in Agile, the dependencies are teh shit
 
8:05 PM
Constraint analysis as well
 
you'd want to break all dependencies first
 
Why's that?
 
because if you have dependencies you will have a critical path and you will underuse your resources.
 
Yeah agreed
Can always move things that aren't on the critical path to be as early as possible based on resource constraints, though
 
if you're doing software, it is better to make a crossfunctional team to do task at a time instead of making these arrowcharts
 
8:08 PM
Tbh I'm looking at a higher level than bitty dev tasks
But it's still pretty complicated
 
These kinds of analysis really only work in the moving-atoms world
You can't build the 2nd story of a house and pretend that the ground floor is already there, unless you've mastered the knack of missing the ground
In the virtual world there is very little infrastructure that we need that you can't create in seconds
 
user559633
Yeah, I prefer Agile because you don't have to plan for more than 2ish weeks ahead.
 
Irony detected! Laugh mode.
Misuse of the word irony detected, but you know what he means, pedants.
 
of course you need to plan... but
agile software development is the planning
 
user559633
8:15 PM
did you know that the donner party was organized by an agile PM?
 
so at first an architect sketches a drawing for Burj Khalifa...
 
@WayneWerner having 10k spoons when you need a knife would be pretty much the definition of irony
 
that is the kind of preplanning: "ok it is like 800 meters tall and looks like this"
 
then the design is not floor by floor but top-to-bottom slices.
:(
 
8:18 PM
@Ffisegydd kill it with fire
please
 
Moooooonty Haaaaaaaaaaall!
Can't even downvote, only got 101 rep on CV.
 
you cruel man, you:P
 
Why can't you downvote with 101 rep? Or do we need more rep than that to dv?
 
Yeah wow, literally monty hall
 
125 rep
 
8:19 PM
yup, ^ 150 or something
 
so how many people did register there? :D
 
that's why MSE voting is a bad choice for measuring popularity of a huge change
 
wow +100 rep <3
 
Huh. Interesting - it shows the arrow. Though I didn't click it
 
anybody who's not active on MSE can only upvote, so lack of downvotes is not an indicator of a proposition being good
see the licensing saga...
@WayneWerner everybody sees those, if you don't have enough rep you get a notification of "thanks for your feedback, but we don't give a crap"
 
8:21 PM
is that still going?
I guess 25 rep isn't exactly a huge hurdle if I cared
 
in my opinion it was changed from poo to poo
 
wow I can downvote on metasex
 
That sounds like the best option
 
How is this getting upvotes? It doesn't work!
3
A: How to write this Python for loop as a ternary operator

SuperSaiyanMore compact code? I'd suggest not changing the code to make it more compact. The goal should be readable and a maintainable code. Not obscure or compact. That being said, if you really want to make it concise, here you go: [stuart, kevin][char in "aeiou"] += len(word_list) - itr

Also, how is that whole question not a dupe. :/
 
8:36 PM
@Intrepid I've added a basic setup.py to dullu so I can register the pypi name.
Just copied the ones from nidaba and changed the name.
 
@MorganThrapp peer pressured
 
Good, it was a terrible answer.
 
There's almost nothing in stdlib that would work the way they're claming. :P
And yeah, you could do something dumb and crazy with __iadd__, but oh dear god why.
 
@MorganThrapp hehe, I hadn't even seen that. Nope, just because that's not a syntax error doesn't mean it actually works!
 
8:40 PM
Hey, I should add an exec answer!
Martijn forgot to mention that option
 
It just bothers me that got 5 upvotes. They're a high rep user, they should know better.
 
@AndrasDeak There is a reason for that..
 
@MorganThrapp I disagree the dupe is helpful here, that's all.
 
As a follow up, how come you feel that's not a dupe of the one I linked? It looks like it is to me, but I may be misunderstanding?
@MartijnPieters Oh, I meant the deleted answer.
 
8:41 PM
@MartijnPieters thanks for the comments on my self-answer. I'll get around to it as soon as I can....been a bit busy.
 
The first answer is "Use a dictionary".
Which seems like roughly the same as your answer.
 
@MorganThrapp Ah, I only see 4 upvotes; I guess someone changed their mind.
@idjaw np!
 
I may've miscounted. :P I thought I saw 5. Either way.
 
@idjaw: I found in the past that pointing out the traceback filenames has been helpful.
 
wall.cat Who actually sees their desktop wallpaper?
mine could probably be changed to something NSFW and I wouldn't notice for several days
 
8:44 PM
I see it briefly every day when I turn on my computer in the morning.
 
I see it when I plug my laptop into a beamer/TV
 
I think the only time I'd see it on my work laptop is if I needed to move the order of my fullscreen terminals around
 
I see Momentum for my chrome wallpaper
 
@Ffisegydd that's good, it rarely gets lost
 
I see parts of my wallpaper when I have a terminal window open
 
8:49 PM
I do that on my linux box
 
is there a command line command to update python 3.5.1 to 3.5.2?
 
@toshbar Yes there's a magical one, unfortunately you don't have the required sopython membership.
 
@toshbar what system are you on
 
@MarkoMackic windows 7, 32bit. i'm just wondering if i reinstall anaconda 3.5 32b, if it would install the newest version of 3.5.2 or not because it just says "download 3.5"
 
People in this room are far too nice and accommodating. I'm going to go make my own room with blackjack and @Andras.
 
DSM
8:53 PM
I just upgraded from 3.5.1-5 to 3.5.2-0 by typing conda upgrade python, FWIW.
 
@Ffisegydd I'm not gonna help him :D
 
@Ffisegydd Ooooo, that's awesome!
 
@MorganThrapp I don't use it to its full ability, but I like the changing wallpaper and the time.
 
@Ffisegydd <3
 
@Ffisegydd Yeah, that's about what I'm planning on using it for.
 
8:56 PM
@DSM thanks a ton!
 
U see :) but you could search that on your own :)
 
I could, but I wanted to grow your high horse a little =]
 
DSM
Everyone has their own favourite questions they're a little generous on. With me, since using Anaconda has saved me countless frustrating hours of effort, I make an exception for conda-related questions..
 
Interestingly enough, I'm currently testing to see it Anaconda itself is causing the issue i have. Otherwise it's a bug within Python
 
DSM
There's a third option you didn't mention..
 
9:01 PM
@toshbar Well gee thanks. Please feel to not ask in the future.
My horse is already too high to fit in my house.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: I can't remember, is the FizzyShack multilevel or not?
 
It is now, just moved :P
 
@DSM Me? It's work related so I cannot discuss the core issue but it appears python is closing a port that's opening within ctypes. the dll works in other platforms and wireshark confirms all the functions are sent properly using python. port opens, closes in next command. all firewalls/etc disabled
last shot is 3.5.2 fixes it
 
DSM
Seems like a bit of a long shot, but who knows?
Heh. I should start saying things like "I know the answer to your question, but it's work-related, so I can't discuss it. You might be working for a competitor."
 
Heh I'm third party here :P I work for no one
 
9:10 PM
@DSM Yeah definitely a long shot but the last month of testing ruled out every possibility we could think of. Based on what we know and can verify, it should work. (wish i could italicize words)
 
DSM
You can, by putting an asterisk on each side.
 
I also wish that
(or an underscore -------^)
I wish I knew enough about the subject you're talking about to make some snarky comments.
 
Snarky comments don't require domain expertise. You're a physicist for Christ's sake!
 
:D
that's another good one
I miss the old strips
 
9:35 PM
Like putting too much air in a balloon! -Bender
 
DSM
Time to flee. End of work day rhubarb for all!
 
rhubarb, DSM
 
10:06 PM
testing failed for anybody who is curious =]
 
Nice mobile chat though :D
@toshbar there is a great probability it's not anaconda and it's not python, already your code
:)
 
there's always a slight chance that the error was made by the programmer, and it's not in the tools being used
if all else fails, assume a programming error
 
yeah :P good italics there :P
 
But hey, you can ask your boss to help find the bug:)
 
And he fires you, if he is smart :D
 
10:12 PM
@toshbar You should watch youtube.com/watch?v=5XvAVgcbmdY for inspiration
I always assume the problem is in my code until I've verified that it's correct at the boundaries of the libraries or tools that I'm using
then I immediately suspect 3rd party libraries
 
I never caught a bug in programming language, but hey, I'm not a programmer yet so :D
 
I've not run into any bugs in the python std lib...
but I have run into slightly unexpected behavior
namely, that the logging module can cause a pretty impressive slowdown if you're logging a massive amount of information
 
that's just the Dutch stuff;D
 
but,profiling!
rbrb, must fetch some salsa from the store, for it is TACO TUESDAY!!!
 
rbrb :)
 
10:15 PM
(there really should be more rainbows, stars, and unicorn riding kittens to accompany that phrase)
 
10:45 PM
It's a rather large team working on it so it's not just me. I'm assuming it's the code because let's be real, it's always the code. User error is 99.99% the source of the issue. But 12 people have all done their own testing and all have ran out of ideas on why it isn't working. Dll works. 4 functions are called with simple return statements. all functions appear to function as intended but data isn't streamed to the file as intended. all of that is handled within the working dll
 
maybe the tests are wrong then
let them test the code of the other guy
 
Definitely. The issue is beyond me at this point. Not my job/area of expertise anyways. Buy hey, at least i have p3.5.2 now
 
yup, that never hurts
 
I like my 2.7 D:
just because of print !
 
from __future__ import print_function
Where's your god now?
 
10:57 PM
:(
now I'm sad :D
 
but really, choosing py2 over py3 because of print is a very unwise thing to do:P
 

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