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Dom
5:00 PM
Yeah but why wouldn't they make it backwards compatible to start with?
The only obvious reason is to make more money on new games
 
No
A console is a very customised bit of hardware, and games are designed to take advantage of the exact hardware configuration, to extract the most power out of it. Any change in hardware means they won't work. MS have fixed that in software by emulating the 360's hardware
 
Yar.
 
Which is a massive, very clever undertaking.
 
Dom
As I said, why not do that from the beginning and make your loyal fans happy that they could use their existing mountain of games?
 
@Dom You can't use reasoning like that to figure things out, because you don't have enough information. It's like only knowing that cars can go from one place to another, and then talking to your mates about how you reckon rockets are stupid because why don't we just drive cars to the moon?
 
Dom
5:04 PM
You're using reductio ad absurdum. It's not absurd. They said they couldn't do it and then they did it when sales weren't doing as well as they hoped. It's all about money.
 
Well you're saying I'm using RAA, so you saying it's not absurd doesn't make sense :)
Yes of course it's about money: they aren't a charity. Every business is about money.
 
user559633
@Dom Wow, if this is true, that's exactly the type of behavior I don't want to financially encourage.
 
Dom
@RobertGrant Yeah but my view of a good business is one that's not all about the money.
 
I have never heard about being banned for swearing (when not using Kinect for gaming purposes and talking to others for e.g.)
 
Yes that's definitely balls
 
Dom
5:07 PM
@Ffisegydd It's possible the other gamers could hear him, I'm not sure. If they could it's not what he intended, and having Kinect in was the problem.
 
Otherwise half of xbox live would be banned
 
user559633
I can believe that the vendor intentionally did not invest time in making a platform backwards compatible, otherwise few people would bother to buy the more expensive hardware or care about launch titles that have alternative platforms.
 
user559633
Yeah. I have a hard time it banned him for passively cursing. Other gamers probably were sick of listening to him rattle on
 
Some sports games give you cards for swearing, but you can turn that off
 
user559633
I don't like the idea of being "banned" for language though.
 
Yeah I found that page.
 
If I searched for Dom the Biggedy Bomb on xbox live, would I find him? :)
 
It's Dom the Biggedy Bomb dude, not Dom the Diggety Bomb.
Get it right.
 
Sorry I saw that :)
In short: no diggety
 
5:10 PM
Nice.
 
Dom
I thought a day was sufficient to forget that -_- Maybe but he wouldn't be me lol
 
Look in the opposite direction of port
 
Niiiiiiiice.
slow clap while nodding
 
user559633
Port is right, correct? crashes ship into dock
 
Dom
This is going over my head...
 
5:13 PM
@neuronet well, also many people use that python which launches when they type python in terminal, which is bad in almost all linuxen since python is an alias for python2 because of the many scripts that expect /usr/bin/python to be python2. (and that also leads to the expectation that Python 3 somehow is not yet the default).
 
user559633
any platform that doesn't allow me to use profanity like a caffeinated impressionist painter trying to make rent isn't a platform for me
 
You're a perfect fit for here then.
We're all about the swearing.
I swear all the time while typing.
 
Apparently people have been tempbanned from the xbox video... thing for language in player-made videos, but that's all I've heard
 
Dom
last note on Xbox One, the only people that bought it for the first year or so were the people that were going to buy it anyway (early adopters), and I think a lot of people who loved older gamers might have taken the plunge sooner if they'd introduced backwards compatibility
 
Yeah it's definitely an awesome feature
I'd love to know all my old games would work forever, basically
Same as PC
 
Dom
5:17 PM
ahh that reminds me, aren't they introducing cross platform gaming between Xbox one, PS4 and PC?
 
Yeah, slowly bringing it in.
 
Yeah ms have enabled it between Live servers and the public internet
 
Dom
That is pretty awesome
 
I think Sony already had it, but not sure
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd I'm on day two of needing to come up with two company names. Domain parkers have coached out some word combinations I didn't know were in my mind
 
5:18 PM
What about Alpha Company
 
@tristan company area? I'll sort you out brah.
Don't worry your pretty little head over it, just go back to lifting.
 
Company of Heroes
Battlefield 2: Bad Company
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd the worst part is that i haven't even been lifting.
 
Dom
@tristan What industries are they for?
 
5:20 PM
Dompany!
 
user559633
@RobertGrant taken. as is alpha core, alphatwo
 
user559633
dompany is parked.
 
Alpha McAlphaface.
 
user559633
Company McCompanyFace
 
Company McCompanyFace!
Bah.
 
user559633
5:20 PM
<3
 
Lifty McLiftface!
 
Dom
Pick a colour and a random object and combine lol
 
user559633
this is for the "engine" that's powering the barcopolo beta. people have expressed that they'd give me cash money for access to the API
 
Pink Cucumber!
 
user559633
@Dom mostly taken. dictionary word bigrams are largely taken
 
Dom
5:21 PM
my previous employers were called Purple Cubed, and there logo was a purple square -_-
 
Did I do it right?
 
@Dom Pink Eye?
 
user559633
unlike a steak, that was too raw.
 
Better than starfish
 
user559633
o__o
 
Dom
5:23 PM
add in a number if you're feeling adventurous
 
What about Clam Idea
 
That's not a colour.
 
(No idea why I thought along those lines.)
 
Purple Rain.
 
user559633
bitchesnightout was also taken, unfortunately.
 
Dom
5:24 PM
Green Horse Productions
 
The Tristan Experience
 
Mic Drop Productions.
 
user559633
Mike Drop
 
The Titanic Experience.
 
user559633
5:26 PM
startup meetup achievement unlocked: guy with a 25 character domain name told me my startup name was bad
 
from the White House Correspondents Dinner last night
 
You're at a startup meetup?
 
He's going to retire at 40 a billionaire, the dick.
 
Dom
in Zimbabwean dollars
 
Uncle Bob Dollah!
 
5:27 PM
Is it like dogg - WELP BETTER NOT.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd was on friday night. met some really great people, so going to make it a regular thing
 
Like a noob I missed the TripAdvisor dev meet in Oxford on Thursday
 
I need to go to the dev meets in Chelt.
 
Or the ones in Oxford? :)
 
Too far.
 
5:29 PM
Hour?
 
Guys, what's your preferred way of playing audio files in Python?
 
user559633
put in notice at my job on friday. was asked to sleep on the decision. directions unclear. don't know how to sleep atop a mental process. hungover (unrelated)
 
I'm not on my missus' car insurance.
@tristan nice. Going fulltime startup or moving elsewhere?
 
I'm using pyglet but for some reason it's giving me a dll error
 
@tristan congrats
 
Dom
5:29 PM
@tristan Tell him you had a dream about quitting so it's final
 
OSError: [WinError 1114] A dynamic link library (DLL) initialization routine failed
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd FT startup. got ideas validated and talked to potential customers and they'd pay for it, so let the adventure begin! (tristan was never seen alive again)
 
user559633
@RobertGrant cheers :)
 
Very pleased for you
 
Dom
Networking meetings are an awkward nightmare in my experience
 
5:31 PM
I would love to do that. Maybe I should go to this soon.
 
user559633
Once I stop puking from the stress, I think I'll be happy too
 
Let me know if you need any help so I can turn you down for a steady income and not working 20 hours a day for stock options.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd You know that you'd be the first one I'd go to for rejection
 
user559633
I had some furniture delivered for my startup. Going to keep the cardboard boxes just in case.
 
Dom
Already got an office, nice!
 
5:33 PM
MAKE A FORT!
 
Dom
that scary moment when it becomes more than a pipe dream
 
Forts are never pipe dreams.
 
user559633
welcome to sadville! population: oh god why did i do this?
 
Is the PS4 "for the startup"?
 
user559633
@RobertGrant bro i'm pre-revenue okay
 
5:34 PM
Pre-revenue. It's a good place!
 
Before you can hire startup brogrammers you need to get the startup culture sorted.
 
Then you'll know if someone's a "good fit" or not.
 
@Ffisegydd nerf guns and cabbages everywhere! :)
 
user559633
i'm only going to hire ladybrogrammers so i can pay them 20% less
 
"What do you even lift when your code sports a raging bug, bro?" "My name is Susan." "Not a good fit."
 
5:35 PM
Fridge full of beer. PS4 on the widescreen. Nerf guns everywhere. Tristan's GF sleeping on the couch because he's turned their bedroom into a startup.
 
user559633
I'm relatively sure my GF is much smarter than I am, and will at some point, tell me to get out of the way so she can build it better
 
@tristan seriously, the way to make money is to hire female consultants for 10% more than they'd otherwise make, and make ~10% more profit compared to sexist pig consultancies.
 
Dom
@tristan Did you have to look for "angel" investors?
who calls themselves an angel? :/
 
Gabriel rings a bell?
 
Metatron.
Castiel (best angel ever)
 
5:39 PM
They self-identify as the point where two lines intersect
 
Dom
love the event requirements - pay us £1000 for 5 mins to tell us you're awesome idea and we'll tell you if it's worth anything
 
@Ffisegydd good Supernatural knowledge, bro
 
Cheers, you're such a Sam.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant hah. i mean, baiting wage-gap-myth joke aside, i'm waiting to hear back from a female consultant and i am being pretty cautious to make sure that i have a diverse team and that i'm taking advice from people of different races/genders
 
Dom
"That's a great idea, I'll give you £800 for 150% equity" :)
 
5:41 PM
£900!
 
£901!
 
£900 and a pot of honey!
 
user559633
@Dom I can bootstrap it, so I don't have to look for angel investors, but in case you were serious, i don't mind the term angel investor because someone with the right connections and interest can save your company from failing before it takes off
 
Dom
I won't take more than £700! Final offer!
 
Holy sh** guys it's May.
I'm pretty sure it was January yesterday.
 
user559633
5:42 PM
and if you can't explain what the business does in less than 5 minutes, i hope your business is highly technical or specific
 
Yeah the main thing is whether you can accelerate after you announce your product so you stay ahead of any potential copycats who can get money
(That was said in the context of angel investing)
 
Dom
@tristan "Investor" has the same effect, "Dragon" is way better
 
user559633
Angel Dragon?
 
Sounds like an awesome anime.
 
Dom
I've met 2 dragons
wasn't always a terrible programmer lol
An appropriate time for wingz to join
 
user559633
5:50 PM
Manime. An anime about lifting.
 
:D
Based on the ...Broga?
That wasn't very clear. Apologies.
 
user559633
I don't anime, so I just figured it was a reference someone else would get
 
DSM
Are we all encouraging tristan's startup at the moment?
Go, tristan, go!
 
I was thinking of a man-pun version of the already manned-up Manga.
 
For a given definition of encouraging.
 
5:55 PM
We are encouraging to the extent that will get us equity
 
user559633
Thanks DSM :)
 
@AnttiHaapala they put so much thought into things in Python usually they just nail it...the transition to Python 3....not so much....very unpythonic transition to Python 3.
 
Does your startup require some mad data skills? Cos I know a guy. I'll put you in touch with him for a cut.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant my parents employed a similar approach during childrearing
 
user559633
5:56 PM
@Ffisegydd Actually yes, if things work out, in the coming year. That guy could even work remotely.
 
I will get in touch with my client and let you know if he's interested. I'll require 15% of his salary as a fee.
@DSM might have a job for you.
 
Dom
Lol!
 
DSM
Is there one of those unicode emojis for eye-rolling?
 
user559633
(>_>)
 
5:58 PM
@DSM I think it'd be only fair if you gave fizzy 5% of your salary, seeing as he's your agent
 
Dom
I was looking at funding a few months ago. Company says they have a database of hundreds of government loans and grants. After a half hour conversation, "we just require £300 for you to access it, and we don't guarantee anything"
 
user559633
🙄
 
Oh, wow, a database. Can I sign up twice?
 
user559633
🕚 thank god for emoji. how else would we tell time if not for drawing pictures
 
DSM
Sure, for £700. There's a £100 additional fee for the overhead in maintaining two accounts.
 
Dom
6:01 PM
@RobertGrant you can haz 9 months access for that price.
 
DSM
"what cannot I see?" is so formal it sounds like a non-native speaker, but "probably more pertinently" isn't the sort of thing people who aren't fluent are likely to say.
 
user559633
@Dom Pay the fee and create a startup that charges people £50 to access the data.
 
Dom
@tristan Now there's a moneymaker lol
 
@tristan don't want to copy your business
 
user559633
@RobertGrant that's okay, copy it so the idea gets validated, then i can charge £25 for access to the data.
 
6:05 PM
It's all about brand
 
Dom
@tristan It'll cost you £30 per user to aggressively follow them around the interwebs with targeted advertising
just add it in the hidden fees section ;)
 
user559633
there's legitimately a business here if you have access to program directors at a uni
 
Dom
Alternatively, you could do exactly what they did and just search high and low for publicly advertised funding options
I don't think any of it was exclusively theirs
 
user559633
You'll spend more than £300 on the work to search high/low/etc.
 
Dom
Not if I outsource :P
 
user559633
6:09 PM
Add in an interface to track or be notified of grants available in a field, and blammo, you just did a business
 
That's true. Even just get institutions to add their own bursaries etc in
 
Dom
or get some "apprentices" for £3 an hour ;) mostly paid by the gov
 
user559633
I know we're kidding, but lol you will spend easily that amount of money just validating the garbage data you will be fed.
 
DSM
Say it takes two days of effort.. £20/hr * 16 hours = £320..
 
Dom
@DSM £20/hour to search the web and make some calls? :O
 
6:12 PM
I don't think I can divulge what FizzyCorp charge for me but £300 may not get you very far.
 
DSM
I'd certainly charge that much. But I wasn't talking about them, I was talking about you: it would certainly take me that much time to decide on how to describe the task, post the job, screen the candidates, Q/A their results, etc.
 
@Ffisegydd Umm: "Hi I'm Fizzy - time's up!" :p
 
user559633
Yeah. I'd jump at the chance to pay 2 people at £10 an hour for smart data entry.
 
DSM
Sounds like we should get Fizzy to work a couple weekends and fund everyone's flights to sopycon UK!
 
user559633
It costs you way more than that because of taxes, insurance, administrivia, needing to validate the data they give you, etc. (edit: what dsm said)
 
user559633
6:14 PM
Say that you trust their data, how do they give it to you? spreadsheets? email? do you need to code up an interface for them to use?
 
Dom
that ~£300 they were charging was for either 9 or 12 months access, I forget which
 
user559633
Oh jeez, yeah, that's cheap
 
Dom
Also, a large portion of the grants and loans were specific to local areas
so there might be 200 in the DB, but only 30 relevant to you
 
DSM
Well, whether or not the data they have is useful depends on things we can't know. But the idea of paying a few hundred pounds for data which in principle you could dig up yourself isn't crazy, depending on the situation.
 
Dom
I agree it's not crazy, but it's not good for small startups
 
6:17 PM
It is if you're looking to move quickly.
It all depends on how valuable you rate your own time.
 
Dom
applications take 3 - 12 months+ to come back with a decision
 
user559633
time is a non-renewable resource. you can fundraise or sell to get more money points to put in your company stats, but you can'd do that with time
 
Yeah but if it took you a month to scrape everything together manually then that turns to 4-13 months.
 
So's money
 
Dom
and some have their own costs associated with it
ie. £50 to apply
 
user559633
6:19 PM
paying a company to already do the data also means that you're not taking a risk to build it
 
Do you think they fund the bursaries with the application fees? :)
 
Startup lottery!
 
user559633
sometimes you don't know there's a dragon until you actually start working in the mine. 6 months ago, i started a new feature and thought "lol why is no one doing this?" now I know why no one is doing it.
 
1,000 startups submit £1,000 each to enter. One startup leaves with £100,000!
Me and Bobby leave with £900,000!
Everyone wins!
 
user559633
6:21 PM
How about each startup brings on another startup to introduce more money into this arrangement
 
DSM
That's what canaries are for, tristan.
 
Dom
@tristan you might actually find something useful on that link I just posted
 
JACKPOT BABY
 
I had to put the "Me and Bobby leave..." line in there in case someone didn't get the joke.
I didn't want someone to be "Hurr durr you messed your maths up!"
 
Hodor Hodor Hodor
 
user559633
6:23 PM
         Co1
         /    \
    Co2      Co3
   /    \       /   \
Co4 Co5   Co6     Co7
 
user559633
f it, you get the joke
 
Almost looks like...a pyramid...
 
Dom
what a clever scheme :)
 
The sweet shape of pyramid sellin network marketing
 
user559633
@Dom my business postcode doesn't have enough letters in it for me to get one of these grants
 
Dom
6:24 PM
@tristan That's pretty confusing
 
user559633
(i'm american)
 
Dom
Ohhh :/ I thought you posted something about networking in Oxford earlier but I guess that's an American rip-off Oxford :P
 
user559633
That wasn't me :)
 
Dom
register a shell corp here :)
you wouldn't be the first I reckon
 
user559633
Eh, just convince your government to join North America after they leave Europe
 
6:27 PM
@neuronet you've must been using a different programming language / living in an alternate universe :D
 
Dom
@tristan If that happens they won't be my government anymore :P
I'll be moving to Canada
 
Small point: Canada is also not in the EU
 
Dom
They have an ageing population and (currently) a decent government, I like my chances
 
@Dom nice, what will your govenment be afterwards then?
wanna setup a new state now?
sealand :d
 
user559633
funny that "if $thing_i_politically_disagree_with happens, i'll move to canada" is a world-wide thing
 
Dom
6:30 PM
I like the sound of DomTopia :P
cue bomb jokes....
 
I was thinking Dumb jokes, but yeah. Whatever works.
 
@Dom well, you should get some perspective, move to Finland for a while :P
 
DSM
On behalf of my nation, if all the people who keep saying "I'll move to Canada if X" would stay at home and keep their whining to themselves, that'd be great, thanks.
 
If everyone here keeps whining I'll move to Canada.
 
DSM
We have problems enough.
 
Dom
6:31 PM
I was being semi-serious. Besides the weather, Canada is a good choice.
 
@RobertGrant I think the best course of action for you would be to a) vote against brexit and b) then move to canada.
 
If I had to move to a Western country, it'd be Canada.
 
Dom
They are looking for skilled workers to (em/im?)igrate
 
@Ffisegydd what about NZ?
 
Close 2nd.
 
6:32 PM
too many sheep
and mordor
 
Actually, Canada is closer to my family, so NZ it is.
 
DSM
I think I'll vote for Brexit and remain in Canada, although I don't know if they'll take my vote seriously, not being a citizen and all.
 
Not Aus though, too hot.
 
hem...
 
user559633
More like Can'tada
 
Dom
6:33 PM
@Ffisegydd too many creepy-crawlies for me
 
DSM
@tristan: (>_>)
 
Yeah that's my issue with australia
 
I'd actually consider some of the Nordic countries over CanadaZealand, but I'm too lazy to learn a new language.
 
That and casual racism.
 
Me being casually racist? Yeah that's true.
 
6:35 PM
can say good bye to the UK, but never to the Queen
 
Me too. I blame all my failings on being mixed race.
 
Sweden for me, I reckon. Or maybe the Netherlands.
 
lets all move to Germany instead
 
Netherlands meant to be excellent
 
DSM
@RobertGrant: Human and.. you know, I can't actually guess.
 
6:35 PM
Until sea levels rise
 
user559633
I'll stay here in America. See you guys soon ^_^
 
If I was going to move to a Nordic country it'd be Iceland.
 
Dom
My friend is on a working holiday Down Under. Posted a picture of a giant spider in the office on a Friday and apparently it's illegal to kill it, they came back on Monday with no idea where it had gone. No thanks.
 
user559633
More like nIceland
 
@RobertGrant I could go and study sea level rise due to climate change at Delft. The irony.
 
6:36 PM
@RobertGrant in the Netherlands it does not matter if the sea level rises, it is easy to get high and even higher...
 
Ah nice
 
user559633
:D
 
@Ffisegydd Never been, but I do fancy it.
 
I still can't write Englsih
 
Japan would be a choice but I don't like fish/seafood so I'd probably starve.
 
6:36 PM
That's all the casual racist in you thinks they eat?
 
Dom
@Ffisegydd Or dirty knicker vending machines....
 
I loved the food in Japan, but don't think I could take the culture change.
 
Man I love sushi. Go on a massive 30-year sushi bender.
 
user559633
@Dom Oh sweet child, they don't use those to eat.
 
Dom
6:37 PM
@tristan Nope just to sniff -_-
 
user559633
Let's turn left!
 
stifles eat joke
I self censor a lot in here, I've noticed.
 
Dom
I read an article recently that basically revealed that the standard world maps are a complete misrepresentation
 
DSM
@JRS: Probably for the best, Professor.
 
Dom
countries are nowhere near as big or small as they look on a standard world map
 
6:39 PM
Oblig
 
@DSM yerp
Bobby'd
 
Dom
Russia fits into Africa almost twice
and Russia is almost twice the size of the US
 
That one has the best hover text.
 
user559633
@Dom people have gone to jail for smaller rounding errors than that.
 
soon we will have 3d paper, so no need for map projections
 
Dom
6:45 PM
@tristan I'll just say it's not my fault, I was taught maths in America :P
 
user559633
@Dom cute.
 
DomDomDOOOOM
 
Dom
@tristan my hair? thanks I just got it done <3
 
Maps are weird.
And Africa is massive.
 
Dom
So weird, shattered my whole belief system lol
 
6:52 PM
It's in one of the big block of cheese days in the West Wing
 
user559633
Your whole belief system was shattered by a thing being larger than you previously thought?
 
Phrasing.
 
Dom
@tristan ok just a small part of it but it's amazing they don't teach that in Geography at school
 
user559633
1 pint is 16 fluid ounces? falls to ground
 
One what?
 
user559633
6:54 PM
They taught us the size of land masses in my school.
 
Dom
@RobertGrant It's an archaic imperial measurement used for liquids :)
 
user559633
Look, it's an old protocol, but it checks out.
 
It's a measurement of cider.
 
@tristan nice
 
user559633
Not sure if it even makes sense. Watching this youtube.com/watch?v=yL5EQiuGt0Y
 
Dom
6:55 PM
@tristan like "The US is ginourmous, every other country pales in comparison" :P
 
user559633
@Dom you're talking a lot of shit on the american education system for someone surprised that africa is a big continent
 
I thought you'd just pick on "ginourmous"
 
Dom
@tristan It's banter but the rise of Donald Trump is ridiculous
 
DSM
Well, it's almost the size of Europe, and Americans historically compared themselves to the mother country first, and to other European nations second. So it's not that far wrong.
 
TIL "ginormous" is a real word.
 
6:57 PM
Of course - it's the largest measure of gin you can order
 
user559633
@Dom No, it's really not "ridiculous". I think you're looking for "complicated" or "a worrying symptom"
 
@Robert that's a commonly held misconception, the largest measure of gin is actually a "Fizzy".
 
user559633
ha ha a political candidate that i disagree with is popular americans are dumb lel
 
Dom
@tristan a worrying symptom of the American education system? :P
 
@Dom at this point you realise tristan's fake US patriotism only thinly veils his stereotypical US patriotism
 
DSM
6:59 PM
Afternoon rhubarb for all!
 

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