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7:44 AM
@nbouvrette ALL DONE :) LEAVE ME MASSAGE WHEN YOU BACK ONLINE...
 
 
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11:39 AM
I'm back! I did something on my end too.. it is close but there is a glitch in IE 8,9,10 - I will start a new thread
 
12:01 PM
Check this out - new post: stackoverflow.com/questions/25591703/…
I will hit the gym and be back in a few hours... I'm curious on what you managed to do!
 
12:30 PM
HEY!
@nbouvrette HEY!
I've fixed the layout, where are you???
@nbouvrette you should always use "@user's-name" to notify them...
 
12:50 PM
Oh yeah Im a newbie hehe. Im at the gym rght now on my phone... if you have a link I can check!
 
Oh yeah I think I tried this one. Problem was getting the conten5 verticallu aligned middle
Sorry for the typo.. phone keyboards sucks
 
No problem that's not a big deal
I will send you a link after 1h
 
Cool thanks! I should be back on muycomputer in about 2 hours
 
I've some work right now and that's fine with me see you 2h later
:)
bye!
 
12:56 PM
You saw my oher thread? People actually suggest using tables hehe
Ok talk to you in a bit! Thanks
 
forget that and wait 2h.......
ok
bye
 
1:46 PM
@nbouvrette Now I'm back and I've fixed the vertical align middle issue???
:)
 
2:12 PM
Oh yeah? Same url?
Look cool at a first glance
I will have to check in details as soon as I get back hoem!
One problem I notice.. is header and footer height fixed? It needs to adjust to the content's height in some of the responsive layouts (e.g. the company logo be fluid with a min-widh)
 
2:28 PM
hey!
@nbouvrette hey!
 
3:10 PM
Yes I saw. You still have the fixed height situation in the header and footer though?
 
that's only demo
you can use min-height
no effect
use min-height and min-width
 
Oh yeah cool. Im at he restaurant
Should be home shortly to try it out
 
yeah ok...
tell me then if anything doesn't work
 
Will do thanks
 
 
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4:28 PM
@nbouvrette Hey! :)
 
 
1 hour later…
5:52 PM
ok finally
sorry the gym ended up being restaurant and then grocery shopping
ok so it looks good in IE8... let me check my concern about fixed height
yeah so you have to set the height in both the negative padding and the row...
I don't see how you could have a logo on there with dynamic size
it would break the layout
you used absolute position :S
honestly I think this is exactly what this article is saying to avoid:
check my fork, you will see what my problem is :)
header does not adjust to content.. footer the same but the result is even weirder
honestly I don't think you can solve this problem with CSS and divs
and from reading a lot this morning there is no proof that tables truly impact SEO (especially if you use a single table)
the only real "drawback" is that tables only render once the full content is downloaded.... but then again HTML is such a minor part of the content nowadays - not so much of an issue
I mean if I would find an elegant way to have CSS working I would use it... but so far this is the closest I got to what I'm trying to do : stackoverflow.com/questions/25591703/…
 
6:14 PM
@MaryMelody
 
HEY!
"you used absolute position :S" = WHERE???
Listen to me, I forgot about the negative margin... that's all
@nbouvrette
 
ok one sec
sorry yeah you did not use absolute positioning hehe
it looked like that from the behavior but I forgot to check
so my question to you, how can you make sure this layout will adapt to the content inside the header and footer?
 
and what did you think about the mobile device ???
 
what do you mean mobile device?
 
I mean css @media query
for small size screen
 
6:20 PM
yes trust me my table layout is fully responsive
actually this layout is more problematic like I said
my current layout, I will put an image in the header... the header height will adapt to it
then I can say, my image is 60% width... so if I resize my viewport and shrink, my image will shrink too
and the header height will adjust
 
the right and left side of content must hide in the mobile that look ugly on mobile
 
and I can tell my image will have a min-width of 150 px...
all this is magically hapenning, without even any media query
 
min-width is a good idea
 
yes of course, this is all done already
I currently have a reponsive layout with minimal media queries
the only thing my media queries are doing right now is for "section" positioning
 
I'm talking about the green parts
on mobile
 
6:23 PM
so yeah the green part... I actualy have one media query to make it dissapear
no actually I did a mobile first design.. by default there is no green part.. it will only show up on larger screens
 
that's great, and why can't you use fixed height for header and footer???
 
because like I said, the logo has different size, I need the header to adjust to it
otherwise it will be ugly
 
wait 1min....
 
good luck :)
have you check my article?
everyone encouraging me to use tables now hehe
you are the last person who thinks this can be done with CSS hehe
 
What you need is different height for footer and header according to @Media Queries - css-tricks.com/snippets/css/media-queries-for-standard-devices support IE6+
 
6:28 PM
omg
you know how much overhead this would be to manage
especially that my image resize dynamically
to it's fluid... there is no way I can manage this with CSS
I need a fluid container
 
container is already fluid :)
 
it's static ;)
 
footer and header?
 
I need it to adapt to the content inside
yes
 
anyway you need this for IE support for @media queries code.google.com/p/html5shiv
 
6:31 PM
yes I already got this
this is all covered
 
and you need min-width 768px @media query for mobiles
 
my content is at 1200px right now, I think I've set the breakdown to 800px or something for the content's section... I set it wherever it made sense visualy
honestly I'm thinking I will stick to tables.. CSS so far has been too buggy/glitchy
having said that, I will use a single table
 
right... and for less than 800px change the header and footer size
 
the rest of my HTML will be HTML5, with divs
I don't need to change the header and footer ;)
it resizes automatically
because it uses % as width
the only thing I do is change the font size
for h1, h2, etc elements
 
logo must look good small size will be ugly...
at least 120x40
 
6:34 PM
no because I set a min-width to the logo
so I fix all issues with this
do you want to see what I have done? I can open a join.me session
 
I don't want to post any of my official code
 
then why ask???
?????????????????????
 
I mean I post the code
just not the complete solution
 
lol............
 
6:36 PM
I post what is important to fix ;)
you know everytime I have issues I simplify the problem
it's easier to fix a simple problem
ok watch this..
 
where sound?????
 
see
I can even zoom out
oops sorry let me stop some downloads
ok did you manage to see anything?
 
I did not know about it, JOIN ME
LOL.....
 
very useful
 
ONCE MORE
 
6:40 PM
ok
see?
 
yes
nice
 
the top logo
it stays nice with the top header
 
ok.........
 
fluide responsive..
nicer part I like
oops hmm
ok my zoomout is broken I will have to fix it later hehe
 
Is it only for your company employees?
 
6:42 PM
no this will be public
 
users will come from google right??
 
from different places yes
including google
 
how much terrific you expected
?
 
as much as possible hehe
not sure yet... it's a startup project
 
My point back then, Tables should be used to present tabular data and not full website layouts... I want to explain it, so give me 1min.
 
6:45 PM
I agree, but
there is no proof this impacts SEO
and accessibility must come first... so if I don't have any way to do this with CSS and div
again what I showed you just now is a single table... the rest is CSS and div
 
wait... 1min...
Think about it that you're using table for full layout, Right? and I said that tables should be used to present tabular data then SEO will think your whole website as tabular data, and every html5 tags that you will use also be showing inside table that's Why I suggested you to don't use tables for layout. That point your hole site look like tabular data and it's does not matter that you use 1 or 2 tables....
 
purely and solely for layout
I understand but there is no proof on the SEO impact
 
actually a lot of article I read said it doesn't have any impact
 
you are right
 
6:52 PM
Using tables for a website layout will not affect your rankings directly (aka Google will not give you a penalty for using tables).
Google and readers for blinds care about placement of content.. my site works fine I tested it in a text only browser
 
yeah but again
this is extreme cases
I use a single table for my base layout
I will not nest multiple tables inside each other
 
I agree there's nothing I wasted my time for searching to show you, wihtout reading it myself lol...........................
 
unless I actually have some tabular data to display hehe
 
lol.............
 
6:55 PM
I spent the whole morning reading in between my chores
time optimization :)
 
Ok fine, use tables.....
 
woohoo
 
for layout
do you have anything?
to ask
 
nah that was my only question honestly... I'm surprised I have to use a table in 2014
but CSS just doesn't do what I need it to do
I haven't used tables forever.... then again I haven't done a layout from scratch forever as well ;)
 
all of my sites have pure css layout
 
6:58 PM
so easy to just use templates or whatever is available to do simple website... but then you don't understand a tihng about what is really going on
 
I didn't used templates even once
 
they are useful for simple sites
but now I wrote my own MVC engine for this project
 
I like my own art
 
it will be fun... now that I have the layout officialized - I can focus on the content
 
of work
right
 
7:00 PM
lots of work to be done still.... so little time
 
why so little time?
 
because I have to work 9 to 5 during the week
or I can quit my job and risk everything I built... not a very good option for my first big startup project
 
9 to 5 it's kills me
 
yeah it does
but it pays the bills
 
I don't want to do jobs for others
 
7:02 PM
that is freedom
but you need to either have money, or live a poor man's life to be able to do this
 
freedom freedom freedom yes
 
I'm working on getting more money, then I will have freedom
 
I always save my money and invest smartly
in real estate
 
yeah that is the best way to freedom
anyhow I need to get back to work... thanks for all your help
 
in these days that's quite popular
 
7:04 PM
hit me up on Linkedin if you want to keep in touch
ca.linkedin.com/in/nicolasbouvrette/
 
I don't use Linkedin, sorry
 
I might have more questions who knows.. or maybe I can help you too next time hehe
why not?
 
I have no need
 
are you working for stackoverflow or something ? ;)
 
for Linkedin
NO, I'm improving my skills
 
7:06 PM
hehe ok I believe you.. then good for you, you are lucky
 
by help others
wait do you saved my chat room url
 
yes I did
I don't come here too often on the other hand
only when I'm stuck... and I'm not stuck too often hehe
 
chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/59884/mary-melody you can leave me massage here
 
that's why LinkedIn is useful
;)
 
If you have anything leave msg... that's all chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/59884/mary-melody
ok
bye
 
7:08 PM
thanks again, have a good day and good luck with your projects
 
same to you :)
bye see you later......
 
l8r!
 
l8r!???
ok bye
 

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