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6:00 PM
Things heating up in Turkey. Turkey in political hot water. Turkey ballots stuffed.
 
user559633
choose your own tired joke!
 
Turkey President released by turnkey
 
user559633
Serious question, does Helsinki shut down in January due to the cold?
 
no, sorry, that's in the poetry section
 
@khajvah in village of Nuorgam, sun rises on 17th May, then sets on 29th July
 
6:01 PM
@AnttiHaapala what's that name?
 
The alcohol is frozen so it's the only time any work gets done.
 
user559633
In the part that I'm from in the US, there's really nothing to do from Nov->Feb.
 
doesn't sound Finnish at all
 
@AndrasDeak because it is not Finnish
 
I knew it!:P
 
6:02 PM
there is also good vodka
 
user559633
And for the foreseeable future, I'll be in Russia around orthodox winter holidays, so I was considering hopping over to Helsinki this time. Maybe St Petersburg->Helsinki->Tallinn
 
@AndrasDeak remember Finland has 5 native languages: Finnish, Swedish and three different Sami languages.
 
Is the Finnish name Nukkäämmii?
 
@tristan Leaving the pramised lahnd?
 
@AndrasDeak :P
 
6:03 PM
@khajvah "good" "vodka"
 
cbg
 
@AndrasDeak IKR, vodka is always good
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Wait, isn't that Israel?
 
@tristan sounds good, though I guess Helsinki and Tallinn are boring after StP
 
user559633
cbg karin
 
6:04 PM
@tristan It was meant to be a Boston accent.
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala I actually didn't like Saint P
 
user559633
Ah, fuckin prahmised land
 
@tristan that's because you don't want to recognize the greatness of Russia
 
Whoa, what happened to your avatar, Tristan?
 
@AndrasDeak actually the Sami name is Njuorggán and that's the bad Finnish transliteration
 
user559633
6:05 PM
@khajvah I love Russia. I just think Moscow is more a cultural city than St P. The people in St P were nice and the city is beautiful, but I just prefer Moscow
 
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@MorganThrapp I didn't want to be left out during the gravatar madness :( (actually, i ran it through a filter and thought it looked cool)
 
Moscow isn't just a city. It's a state of mind.
 
@tristan Yeah, I dig it. Just got confused at first.
 
user559633
Moscow is amazing. Beautiful city, great parks, delicious food, lots of alcohols, efficient metro, clean, modern, interesting..
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp I'm actually not sold on it -- I think it just looks like my old avatar was run through a load of dirty laundry
 
6:08 PM
I love Russian food...
закуски <3
 
@tristan people are mess. Lots of crime and mafia
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala yeah, it's a great beer drinking city with smoked fish, meats, and greens
 
пельме́ни mmmm
 
and Столичная
 
user559633
and the southern influence of shashlik and other delicious georgian treats
 
user559633
6:10 PM
@AnttiHaapala and the different russian standard grades
 
Finnish vodkas are horrible :/
 
@AnttiHaapala Finland?
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak they're so good if you take them out, fry them in oil, then put them back in the soup
 
I only had them sans soup
 
Finlandia brand was sold to Americans
 
user559633
6:12 PM
finnish vodka? sounds like your neighbor offering you free oranges off his tree, then saying "no thanks, i'll try my own"
 
but I'm not a huge fan of Russian soups
 
Vodka is just nasty.
 
щи and борщ...not my cuppa tea soup
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Oh we'll put juniper berries in it and you'll love it
 
I like борщ
 
6:13 PM
\o/
Stick a cucumber in there and I'm yours
(phrasing)
 
user559633
Whoaaaa
 
@AnttiHaapala that's ukrainian
 
user559633
@khajvah that wasn't at all my experience. i haven't spent that much time there, but who knows.
 
Do you not have cucumber slices in G+T in 'murica?
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd oh, we do. especially in a pimm's cup.
 
6:15 PM
I've never heard of Gin and Tonic and Cucumber, but I've never heard of a lot of things.
 
@khajvah :D food knows no borders
 
Ah yeah pimms sure, but you can also have it in a plain G+T
 
@khajvah belongs to Putin now
 
@tristan it's a breeding ground for organized crime from Chechens, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, etc..
 
@Ffisegydd I wouldn't say it's common, but it's definitely not rare.
 
user559633
6:16 PM
@khajvah i don't know anything about that. i'd imagine any relatively rich country with a huge border would have elements of crime from bordering nations
 
It's not that common here, unless it's a gin bar#
 
user559633
we typically put a lime in our G+T
 
Yeah the "common" one is lemon or lime
 
user559633
I need to find an excuse (not pycon) to go to England this fall.
 
Gin bars will sometimes serve it with pepper too.
 
user559633
6:17 PM
Pepper? What is this world coming to?
 
Good because PyCon UK is actually in WALES THIS YEAR.
 
user559633
Isn't that in England? gestures vaguely towards window
 
Yeah cracked black pepper.
 
I would think pepper would pair with Tequilla more than Gin.
 
@tristan well it's not just drug dealing and such, they actually can decide city-wise stuff
 
6:18 PM
 
user559633
@khajvah oh. well, that's low level corruption that happens everywhere.
 
Depends on the gin
 
DSM
Speaking of PyCon, I have only two days to decide if I want to submit a talk on something or other or a tutorial.
 
user559633
6:19 PM
wait, so real talk for a second: is it offensive to say that wales is part of england? i thought it was only fringe and very elderly folk that consider it "actually separate"
 
@DSM go for it. I would have loved to give a talk but there's nothing specific outside of work I had an idea about and nothing I could talk about work-wise.
@tristan real talk? People could definitely take offence, they're two separate countries. There's no real other example countries that work because the UK is special and is 4 countries that are led by a single government(ish).
 
@tristan not really. big part of the population "respects". The police doesn't want to get rid of them also(maybe they are controlled by the state, who knows?). It's an actual big scale mafia.
 
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@Ffisegydd oh, i legitimately did not know this. i thought wales was a region of england.
 
Yeah, I did too.
Like Northern Ireland.
 
6:21 PM
England is 1 country within the 4 countries that is the United Kingdom.
 
user559633
@khajvah oh, that wasn't my experience in moscow, saint p, or any of the northern smaller towns i've spent a decent amount of time in
 
Scotland is another country, Northern Ireland is the 4th.
 
user559633
oh, i should probably go to wales and apologize with the welsh over some pints
 
There's also various smaller islands which may have some kind of devolved government, such as Isle Of Man, but they're not countries.
 
user559633
seems the only prudent, sensible course of action
 
DSM
6:22 PM
If you always say country, but in your head you think "state or province", you won't be far wrong in practice..
 
@Ffisegydd You forgot "currently"
 
I can't remember the UK's deal for more than fifteen minutes, so I just avoid any situation where it would come up
 
and as you all know, England took its flag from a Palestinian-born deeply religious terrorist freedom fighter
 
user559633
one of my algorithms for "say funny words others can build off of" is to say something vaguely contentious and ignorant, but with enough specific detail to suggest that i actually know what i'm talking about
 
You should tell us when you try that out.
 
user559633
6:24 PM
st george was a palestinian-born terrorist?
 
@tristan yup
 
Though I suppose we'll know, because it'll seem like you know what you're talking about.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Didn't say it was a successful algorithm that runs in any respectable time
 
@tristan well he wasn't an Arab I guess :P
 
user559633
i'm going to need a few more supporting details before i accept the assertion that england is flying a terrorism flag
 
6:26 PM
lol, he wasn't a terrorist :D
 
user559633
not with that attitude
 
Citation needed? Hmm, what's the MLA formatting for "your mother last night"?
 
user559633
@Kevin surprised anyone could hear her in such a crowded room
 
I need more wine.
 
user559633
I'll troll some askers.
 
user559633
@Kevin Link him to the prior conversation about shelling out to sed, modifying bytecode, etc.
 
@Kevin I mean, that is the only real answer.
 
X,Y problem. Looks like recursion error to me
 
user559633
Sweeping an exception under the rug doesn't fix the fact that the code ran into a problem... — CoryKramer 3 mins ago
 
I guess all those people lurking here must be constantly annoyed by the fact that we discuss everything besides Python the programming language here.
 
user559633
6:31 PM
brb for a while. unrelated
 
just sayin
 
Oh, are y'all fans of python? I hadn't noticed
 
user559633
ugh why would we want to talk about some silly language that cares about whitespace
 
user559633
if i wanted to talk about hobbyist bullshit, i'd join a linux irc channel
 
I was going to say "but if he got a recursion error, wouldn't he say 'I got a RecursionError'?" but then I noticed it's RuntimeError in 2.7. Foiled by version differences again.
 
6:32 PM
@tristan yeah you pros and your windozes.
 
Fun fact: in PHP, you can preface a function call with at @ to suppresses errors. Or exceptions being thrown. Don't you love changing control flow like that?
 
Wouldn't a list need to be like 2^999 elements long to make quicksort recurse that much?
 
@KevinMGranger fun fact: you can also change the flags either in ini, or with a function call anywhere, to suppress any errors, warnings, whatever you want, anywhere.
 
That's not that big.
 
user559633
twss
 
6:34 PM
@Kevin no.
 
user559633
@KevinMGranger yeah, aka "the consultant's YOLO"
 
@Kevin quicksort can reenter 999 times with 1000 items... but Python doesn't use quicksort, but timsort.
 
To be fair, you can still define a global error reporter that will get the exception sent to it, and handle it your own way.
 
I guess OP got really unlucky with his pivot choices.
 
@Kevin ah :?
 
6:36 PM
(in regards to this OP, if that's not clear)
 
yeah just noticed
This is why you don't use quicksort. The worst case behaviour is really bad. — Antti Haapala 14 secs ago
it is indeed inevitable; you just need a list(reversed(range(1000))) and qsort that with taking the first element as the pivot,
 
More like usuallyquicksort, amirite
 
'
@KevinMGranger exactly.
there is actually nothing good about quicksort
 
Err, isn't the best-case pretty good?
 
user559633
if yielding or watching, it gets you decently correct answers pretty fast
 
6:38 PM
Why did the settlers travel on the Oregon Trail with covered wagons when they could have simply taken a commercial airline instead?
 
@KevinMGranger no it is not.
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: there's a project at work which would be really fun to talk about (replacing an entire complex database app with a much smaller and cleaner Python version as an experiment) but I couldn't guarantee it'd be done. So I've thought of giving a tutorial on either pandas or xarray.. do I go for what's popular or what's up-and-coming?
 
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@Kevin bro that's not very green
 
timsort has better best case.
timsort's best case is O(n)
to get O(n) you need to use 3-way partition and all such hacks.
Quicksort with in-place and unstable partitioning uses only constant additional space before making any recursive call. Quicksort must store a constant amount of information for each nested recursive call. Since the best case makes at most O(log n) nested recursive calls, it uses O(log n) space. However, without Sedgewick's trick to limit the recursive calls, in the worst case quicksort could make O(n) nested recursive calls and need O(n) auxiliary space.
 
Oh wow, timsort's worst-case is quicksort's best-case.
 
6:40 PM
usually one wants the sort to be stable
 
@DSM Interesting. I'd go for xarray but maybe state that you could do pandas if they think that'd go better
 
quicksort is good if you do not need stable sort, but even then you must use some trick algorithms, not the text-book version.
 
@DSM there are a ton of pandas tutorials/lectures but not too many on xarray - so I'd go with the latter
 
Yeah that was my thinking to.
 
DSM
Yeah, maybe xarray+dask. We'd work through some tricky out-of-core task.
 
6:43 PM
@AnttiHaapala I almost closed with the custom reason of "... because OP uses upside-down smiley faces"
I would've gotten away with it too, as the fifth voter:P
 
DSM
The problem with not talking about pandas is I can't really use "pandorable" in my talk title.. :-/ I once won an award for a talk at a conference and I'm 75% sure it was because I had a really cool name.
 
*wonders if something is upside-down if its vertical axis is horizontal to the observer*
 
user559633
yes (when in doubt, agree for comedic intent)
 
What in the world just happened to your icon?
 
yes, see reliable source ^
 
user559633
6:47 PM
@DSM you could include one slide about pandas to rationalize the joke
 
but if you think of it literally...upside down for something symmetric relative to the horizontal axis would be the same thing...
 
You would be right, but there's a clear correct orientation -- ;)
 
DSM
If I see someone sleeping, I don't think "hey, they're upside down". If I see them hanging from the ceiling vampire-style, that's something else.
 
I agree with this fully
 
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6:48 PM
my musculus sternocleidomastoideus is only trained to tilt my head to the left to read smileys
 
@DSM like @PM2Ring? :P
 
I tend to use ^_^ to prevent the neck strain
 
user559633
eastern european emoji use relies on the second form of <eyes><rest of face>
 
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@AndrasDeak Ouh, that makes me feel a bit guilty : P
 
it's about time
 
6:50 PM
I've got a light laptop, no problem rotating it by 90 degrees
 
user6568562
Someone told that it's a bit narcissistic to make smileys smiling facing the origin of my phrases
 
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I should probably look into that
 
user559633
@randomhopeful Probably a social scientist realizing they have to write their thesis
 
before someone says they want a photon laptop as well, I meant lightweight
 
DSM
There goes my stream of polarization jokes. Ah, well, it was time for a break anyway.
 
6:53 PM
why aren't these in unicode yet :/
 
Booting your light laptop is "b OS on"?
OK I admit that's far-fetched
 
user6568562
@tristan : D Well, you know how unbiased, exes are
 
In Finland, smileys are easier. One just needs to type :-|
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak i hope he could disCERN that joke
 
One time I drew a self-portrait for art class in high school and the teacher said "note how you can see the whites of his eyes under the cornea, a classic sign of psychopathy" and that turned out to not have good consequences for my social life
 
6:55 PM
@AndrasDeak I wish I knew some good jokes about Hungary, but no.
 
These jokes were getting tachy--on this topic, before it even started.
 
Or, no, not cornea. What's the colored bit?
 
Yeah, iris.
 
user559633
American emoji is like normal emoji, but they get guns (,.___.),︻デ═一
 
6:56 PM
@AndrasDeak ah this is good: "How do you keep a Hungarian in suspense?"
 
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@AnttiHaapala your order will be out in 15 minutes
 
ah OK:P
@Antti wait for it
 
Canadians love the emoticons so much that all the words in the glorious language of Canada are written as smileys.
Such as: ಕನ್ನಡ
 
user559633
these are highly specific jokes (a++)
 
6:59 PM
and
ಠ_ಠ
@BhargavRao Kannada mentioned, torilla tavataan!
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm still trying to find a slogan :/
 
user6568562
Oh no, I'm infected with seeing Andras' avatar turning purple : / I thought I was special
 
Yeah, it was/is a bug
 
user6568562
7:04 PM
Yeah, I saw some mentions of the problem*, something about the Gravatars' gods being angry for the late poor harvest
 
We must burn a wickerman - someone fetch Nicholas Cage.
 
@BhargavRao I'd suggest a slogan but I am afraid someone would flag me :d
 
Instructions unclear, the bees the bees are in my eyes
 
@AnttiHaapala then someone would certainly flag it. ;)
 
I mean in Kannada :D
ahh @BhargavRao now I remember...
what you should do...
^
 
DSM
7:16 PM
Isn't that the one we all criticized last week?
 
lol:D
@DSM the same
 
Whois says the co HQ could be in Bengaluru
poor @corvid thought that that is some reputable site
 
Huh?
 
Gimme a sec, I'll reach home and take a look at that site.
 
ah no, wikipedia tells it too :D
"Intellipaat is an e-learning and professional certification company for software developers, IT administrators, and other professionals, headquartered in Bangalore, India."
 
7:21 PM
Oh, that changes everything. Wikipedia says they're cool.
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak I read the first 5 pages of the paper mentioned by your yesterday's link. f*cking enlightening. especially about how I react to some raised errors
 
@AnttiHaapala oh you mean those questions? I was wondering about them, they didn't seem quite right
 
@corvid the whole training org :P
 
that spams SO on occasion
 
7:25 PM
now I wish I had a way to un-see that
 
I think I found the most irritating person on the internet just now, from a video on youtube
 
Haven't you met me?
 
we should send Bhargav there to complain IRL :P
 
Unleash The Bhargav!
 
7:27 PM
Final Form
 
user559633
 
lol....love how people think REPL is a python only term and means the interpreter
 
@tristan aah I have to check if there are any new :P
 
@AnttiHaapala Oh Damn!! That's a scam company, Did anyone register there?
The questions there would be plagiarized from many sources.
Those kinds of websites would usually be made by those people who fail in colleges but need to earn money asap.
 
they've got good marketing everywhere :D
 
7:39 PM
All the comments there are by the page owners themselves.
I'll add a test comment :D
 
@BhargavRao I added one 1 week ago :P
 
Was it a good comment or a bad one?
 
@JGreenwell it comes from REPtiLe, so clearly python thing
 
@BhargavRao what do you think :? :D
 
@BhargavRao it's blacklisted in Smokey, there's been multiple spam attempts here on SO:)
 
7:41 PM
Okay, I am leaving 2 comments, Let's see what happens.
 
you should leave one bad comment, and later one good comment
 
@AnttiHaapala As it has not appeared on the comment list, It certainly must be bad.
@AndrasDeak They spam on multiple FB help groups. Did not know that they spam here too :P
@AnttiHaapala Did it the other way round.
 
well would be nicer to first post a bad comment
then wait for the good comment to appear
 
"I've never seen such an extensive collection of ignorance. Kudos"
 
7:45 PM
 
So legit and honest reviews...
 
The name is a combination of @antti @andras and me :D
 
@BhargavRao needs to be more grammer
 
@BhargavRao :D
 
7:46 PM
@BhargavRao you never remember that I and Andras have the same name :D
 
Bhandrantti
maybe Bhargav also derives from Andros
 
> Your comment is awaiting moderation.
@AnttiHaapala Well, I never could have even expected that.
 
@BhargavRao >100k inr for a 240h course there :P
 
Seeking a dupe target for why return None for list assignment?
 
closed
 
7:49 PM
Kevin'd
 
and yeah that one...
perhaps should edit the title :D
 
@Antti I am afraid that they would have duped many innocents and made a lot of money
 
That dupe target rustles my jimmies because list.append doesn't evaluate to False, it evaluates to None.
 
240 h course, they sell it once and they make a good hourly rate for recording those crappy videos
sell it 1000 times and they're filthy rich
 
user6568562
@Kevin I believe Ned Batchelder's answer to be a touchdown (puts on sunglasses)
 
7:51 PM
it is also more than I paid for my master's degree.
 
I get it.
 
all my education was free
 
Yeah, These courses are available for free online. The people just don't know.
I will visit their institute next week sometime and see if there are any students.
 
@randomhopeful oh shit, Ned Batchelder really did answer that!
 
7:52 PM
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: BHARGAV UNLEASHED!
YOU ARE VICTORIOUS!
 
I thought he was like a myth, with only traces of his knowledge left in the wild to be found by adventurers
 
@AndrasDeak My Bad, The govt passed that bill once I had completed my schooling :(
 
@AnttiHaapala Hey, Lets see what that institution is upto, IRL :D
 
7:55 PM
I just dont wanna get brainwashed into joining there
 
That course looks shite.
 
Well, if you get a tempting offer, then please discuss with us before signing any papers :P
 
@AnttiHaapala Just realized that the numbers there look very very awkward. They don't mention if the payscale is annual or lifetime.
 
If Bhargav gets brainwashed, it's up to SEAL Team Rooms/6 to save him. Coming this summer, not yet rated.
4
 
I'd be surprised if they actually had any premises at all
 
7:59 PM
They don't make premises they can't keep
 
Andras gets to be the David Caruso type. I'll be "wheels".
There can only be one computers expert in the Team so ya'll will have to fight for it.
 
(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
 
I can't find their address, It just says Bangalore everywhere.
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm sold, when can I start?
 
user6568562
8:03 PM
We have the same specie of crappy websites in tunisia, way uglier even. but they're in french, so who cares
 
@BhargavRao domain name registration is
 
@randomhopeful it's not about ugliness..
 
Tech Name: Diwakar Chittora
Tech Organization: chittora
Tech Street: B-104, Mantri Terrace
Tech Street: Bilekahalli
 
https://intelli​paat.com/contact-us/
 
Ah, @andras that's it, Thanks.
 
8:05 PM
@BhargavRao diwakar is the ceo,
 
put a zero-width space there lest I provide them with some advertising
 
registered the domain in his own name
 
Divakar would never do such a thing:P
 
they'll get an interested student next week.
;)
 
:D
I so hope you're being serious
 
user6568562
8:05 PM
@AndrasDeak I couldn't find another term. Let's say I meant for the Compaq OS and what have you
 
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, Read that from the wiki page.
@AndrasDeak Shall I upload pics here?
:D
 
no, I'll believe you if you tell me you went there for real:D
 
That place is a kilometer away from my usual route to work.
 
noooo way:D
 
"All these Positive comments On Intellipaat are done by intellipaat Itself. The courses they provide is useless. the edit the videos of instructor led training and sell them as self paced course which you simply can't understand. You will notice that they will force you to buy self paced not instructor led. better options are to go foy udemy,lynda which are way better then this crap."
"They are fully business oriented minded people, when you inquire about any course, suddenly they will increase the price of that course, saying that prices are revised today itself, i think they are not getting any customers , so whenever they get one, they play all the business tricks, very immature business ideas, narrow minded people.They even don know what is their actual product price :D"
 
user6568562
8:07 PM
@BhargavRao Well if you'd take my advice, you should go to where Mahindra is sieged and see how they managed to land Pininfarina
 
"Absolute waste of time, pathetic customer service the sales team force you to take up self training.I'm 90% sure all the positive ratings are done by the employees itself."
 
user6568562
That's some efficiency, right there
 
@BhargavRao But don't get killed...they might have a swarm of help vampires to fend off snoopy strangers....
 
Such a fake entity. Even their contact number saying does not exist.
Really Fake entity.
 
@randomhopeful Should have told me when I was in Mumbai. :/
 
user6568562
8:09 PM
@BhargavRao I'll keep in mind if ever ; )
 
Hey, also Mahindra is a freakin huge company. I doubt they'll ever let me enter it :D
 
@BhargavRao in any case, well... if we take their business down they could send hitmen after you :S
:D
 
Bah, Nope. They'll never come to know who I am.
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala It's not a startup, it must be a couple of kids trying to get around. As Andras said some time before : Joke's on whoever hired them
 
Bhargav walks into the headquarters, nobody in sight. Suddenly, he hears a whisper in his ear... "Sir, I have a question please."
 
8:13 PM
@randomhopeful Nah, They're not kids for sure. They've paid cash to get articles about them in news papers.
 
Lol Barbra Streisand campaigning for Trump :D
 
Nvm, I'll go and find out next week.
 
@BhargavRao reminds me of this old Soviet Radio Yerevan joke:
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala then count me curious
 
"Q: Why do we need two central newspapers, Pravda (Truth) and Izvestiya (News) if both are organs of the same Party?
A: Because in Pravda there is no news, and in Izvestiya there is no truth."
 
8:17 PM
Heh, Exactly.
The private news channels here are the worst.
@AnttiHaapala 16 bad reviews are all collapsed by downvotes. So now you know that their IT Cell is really awesome :D
> I have subscribed for salesforce course, believe me that the delivery method is pathetic, i will not take any other course from intellipaat, seems like the previous comments are managed by intellipaat itself, lol marketing on Quora too.
Rhubarb all, I still gotta have my dinner and then sleep.
 
rbrb
 
@BhargavRao bingo
this has organized courses in the US address of intellipaat.
this also has an office there: aryausa.com/index.html
rip gene wilder
 
f
 
8:54 PM
Might have to watch Young Frankenstein tonight.
 

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