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12:36 AM
hahaha....
 
1:15 AM
Say I change my avatar to a unicorn. Would that be read as tongue in cheek, or arrogant?
 
user559633
Not sure why it would be arrogant.
 
How about a unicorn ninja rockstar?
 
user559633
Oh, uh, probably tongue in cheek.
 
user559633
But why?
 
I don't think anyone's done it yet.
Just briefly considering reinventing myself
 
user559633
1:19 AM
"Newest Questions (1,214)" jeez
 
user559633
@AaronHall Like as an internet persona?
 
Just an SO persona.
But I'm not gonna.
Unicorn
A rockstar ninja
what is up?
^^^ haikus
ok, that's lame
 
user559633
I spent hours today on a simple semantic error. Basically boiled down to checking if True on ([[]])
 
I wonder what we would get if we could review each other's code.
Was it Python or Javascript?
 
user559633
1:36 AM
Python -- last bit of code needed to go my depth-first search working for a weighted undirected complete graph
 
mmhhh
People ever mention your SO profile at work?
 
user559633
Not once. Ever.
 
What about answers? anything about SO?
 
user559633
My primary employer started paying for a careers account and sent me an invite to link mine to their employer profile. I linked it for about 15 minutes before realizing that I want to keep the two worlds separate as I use stackoverflow mostly for recreation
 
user559633
Never anything about answers or SO. I think maybe once a recruiter brought it up, but obviously he didn't know anything about answer quality.
 
1:40 AM
Don't undersell yourself.
:)
 
user559633
Heh. Well done; that was quick
 
We've got a metric tonne of devlopers, several have pinged me and said I answered their question. So I can't do the Unicorn thing.
 
user559633
Oh, weird. I guess you could do a private one if you're worried that people are humorless/would let internet bleed into the real life
 
I don't think I have the patience for it.
 
user559633
To keep up a persona? Or for people trying to connect your internet presence with who you are at work?
 
1:44 AM
I'm pretty much unified. I act pretty much the same at work/Python stuff/home/church/friends...
I don't really compartmentalize.
 
user559633
Same for not compartmentalizing. I come off as a little more gruff and social online, but I'm generally the same.
 
user559633
I'm also a little more tolerant of arseholes online than I am in person.
 
I was in sales to the general public that tried to leverage my personal life (financial advisor) and so I'd be ok with my face on a billboard. Not that someone would probably want it on a billboard now, but that's me.
I wasn't that great at it. My friends and family seemed relieved when I got out of it.
 
user559633
@AaronHall I'd be okay with my face on a billboard (I guess), but I don't think I'd be okay with my employer using my image or reputation to sell things
 
user559633
Actually, no, that's not true. I wouldn't want my face on a billboard.
 
1:53 AM
It's not for a lot of people.
I have a friend from back home with one, though. He does a lot of volume in my home town.
He's a realtor.
Him and I have a lot in common, aside from his incredible success and my lackluster failure.
 
user559633
Eh, don't be like that.
 
user559633
When I was 6 I had a lemonade stand. I didn't make Snapple fortunes.
 
Washout rates are high in the financial advisor field. I didn't stand a chance. I should have moved to a metropolitan area or started grad-school immediately.
Well, it was the school of hard knocks, anyways.
 
2:20 AM
I'm sure my lows aren't as bad as others', but that's where I come from.
 
user559633
Sigh
 
2:42 AM
Sigh?
 
user559633
Yeah, just imaging someone buying that badge and then trying to show it off
 
lol
 
user559633
"you see, when you do enough free work for this website, you get a gold star." oh so they mailed it to you as a reward? "no, i had to buy it"
 
from an unlicensed third party no less
 
user559633
Oh yeah, especially that. And the quality as if they were smuggled out of a jail for bad seamstresses
 
user559633
2:45 AM
Ah crap, my shortest path depth search algorithm returns too fast
 
user559633
 
too fast, eh?
 
user559633
hopefully it runs slower on a virtual machine or i have to rewrite the algorithm to do more work
 
user559633
yeah, too fast. this is for the ffi talk. if i say "well okay, this runs too fast for you to care, but what if it ran even faster?!"
 
That's why Beazley did the recursive Fibonacci for his concurrency talk.
 
user559633
2:49 AM
that would have been a good idea.
 
user559633
i'm going to just forge ahead i guess
 
What you need is some sort of dashboard with like a speedometer
You could write one with PyGame, maybe. :D
 
user559633
Yeah, no :) 2 weeks away, I'm going to switch to the cython and ffi how-to part of the talk
 
user559633
way too many words on tech debt, taking off.
 
user559633
2:56 AM
have a good night @AaronHall
 
good night! Sleep tight! don't let the code bugs bite!
 
 
3 hours later…
6:17 AM
@MartijnPieters I have a doubt in one of your [answer ] (stackoverflow.com/questions/15086040/…)
K = None
exec("K = 89")
print(K)
It prints 89 and as per your answer it should print None since the scope of variable assigned in exec is only till the exec function
 
7:14 AM
Hey up
 
7:51 AM
Cabbage!
 
@VigneshKalai Is that in a function or is K a global?
Also, are you using Python 2 or Python 3 there?
 
cbg
@VigneshKalai martijn's answer is right
@VigneshKalai it specifically says that local variables are not modified in exec()
@MartijnPieters edited ;)
 
So I noticed! :-P
 
8:16 AM
Cbg
@JRichardSnape can make a room for the two of us on here?
 
The Python has a Syntax Error ;_;
Indentation Zach! Indentation!
 
Cbg the Fizzy
 
8:32 AM
@Ffisegydd and no colons!
 
Cbg the Clements
 
@RobertGrant curiously phrased :)
 
I know. For shame Mr. Weiner, for shame.
 
@JonClements yeah I sometimes write in a weird, ambiguous, note-taking language
 
Like the soup dragon. She took all the notes iirc
 
8:49 AM
No it was not in a function
And it was python 3
Sorry for late reply went to lunch
And I know is answer is right
 
@RobertGrant cool - I'll do so later (got to do some actual real work right now. I know, it's a shameful admission :) )
 
Ok so since it is not run in a function the exec is changing the global value right
Then is saw this line you cannot change local variables in function scope
So it makes sense now :)
 
9:12 AM
@JRichardSnape yes this is definitely an upper class chat room, where work is shameful :)
 
cbg
 
@RobertGrant Absolutely - must dash - pimms on the lawn. I've put some initial thoughts in your other room.
cbg @BhargavRao
 
9:25 AM
@tristan Add more connections (assuming you're not fully connected) and nodes. There are some datasets for the Travelling Salesman problem on the web e.g. here that are a bit bigger so should slow you down, but not so cutting edge that they aren't easily soluble.
 
9:51 AM
cbg all, bugrit
 
millenium hand and shrimp.
Nice to see you @holdenweb
 
Nice to be here. Back in the office after a trip to OSCON and PyData Seattle. Think I've about had it with OSCON
 
Interesting - why's that? (I've never been, so don't know the atmosphere there)
 
It's a good enough conference, but my focus is narrowing now I am no longer involved with the PSF, and maintaining relationships with other communities
 
10:30 AM
cbg
 
10:40 AM
I see the PyCon IE call for papers closes today python.ie/pycon-2015/call-proposals
 
(y)
 
11:01 AM
@holdenweb how goes it (apart from conferences)
 
Well enough, thanks. Getting back into the swing of work, having spent nine days there before a twelve-day absence :)
 
Good timing :)
Not as bad as joining the week before you've got a prebooked 3 week holiday :)
My manager at the time took someone on that did that... I just looked at him confused... I was thinking... "Couldn't you have just put the start date for when she got back?"
 
^_^
 
`s(i+1) =  ((si)2 + 45) mod 1,000,000,007` this is one series for which my program works fine

s = [0,0]
i = 1
for i in range(1,5):
s.append(pow(s[i] + 45, 2) % 1000000007)
print s

values we are getting here are S = 0, 45, 2070, 4284945, 753524550, 478107844, 894218625 i.e. F(2) = 45, F(4) = 4284990
Now F(100) = 26365463243, F(10^4) = 2495838522951.
then I want to get F(10^8).
Using for I am able to get values for F(2^i), can I use same formule for F(10^i)?
 
1. Please format your code correctly (noting that you can't have code and non-code in the same message).
2. Please explain what you actually want in more detail, as right now it's really unclear.
 
11:21 AM
s = [0,0]
i = 1
for i in range(1,5):
    s.append(pow(s[i] + 45, 2) % 1000000007)
print s
 
Haha... just had a promotional email for a cruise that includes "free car parking"...
Now... I've taken a car on the Ferry before... but new to me you took 'em on Cruise ships as well :p
 
@nlper what's the i = 1 for?
@nlper Not that we can tell what you want still. @Ffisegydd asked you to explain what you want in more detail. Do that, or don't ask in the first place because it's pretty disrepectful to ask for help and make people drag what you want out of you.
 
this is the code for s[2^i] where i = 0, n
based on values available for s[2^i], can I get result for s[10^i] ?
Sorry facing networks issue, some times message not getting delivered
 
@nlper google the pow function and you'll see straight away
 
pow value I am already getting
I was trying this math problem projecteuler.net/problem=477
 
11:30 AM
Although you're doing i^2, not 2^i from what I can see
(Actually (i+45)^2)
No, don't make people read a problem and give you a whole solution; just ask about a specific problem that you're having
 
@RobertGrant sorry, bit confused. if this makes clear then my program works fine for F(2^i), can I apply same logic for F(10^i) ?
 
That's not a Python question, that's a maths problem.
 
But again, your code does (i+45)^2, not 2^i
 
11:48 AM
cbg
@nlper: Take a close look at the docs of the pow function - it takes a modulus as an optional 3rd argument.
 
Anyone good at PyQt4 ? I'm wondering if it's possible to set the dynamic range of an image in qpixmap just like in vmin/vmax in imshow?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28214505/is-there-a-vmin-vmax-equivalent-in-qpixmap
 
morning everyone
 
12:10 PM
At yesterday's pre-meeting for today's meeting, the boss' boss' boss said "let's just not have the meeting tomorrow". Not sure if he was joking.
 
that sounds like a lot of levels of obfuscation, does BigCorp have a calendar with meetings you're invited to?
 
My day will remain in quantum superposition until 10 when the waveform collapses.
@corvid No. BigCorp exists in a state of formless chaos.
 
I'm surprised I actually understood that statement... the first one
 
12:29 PM
Cross posting from reddit: Summary of GVR's EuroPython 2015 Q&A
 
Yeah I read that, was quite interesting.
 
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@JRichardSnape Cheers, yeah, I could add more points. I think I've been staring at this chunk of code too long because I don't understand how to do TSP on it -- I'm currently doing "pick the closest unvisited neighbor" at each vertex
 
@Kevin thanks, didn't see that before
You'd think the Goog could spare a few quid to employ a couple of full-time Python devs
 
user559633
" Is it because of an old boys' network or lame core developers? What needs to be done to get those patches applied?" jesus christ someone has an axe to grind on gender in tech
 
Yeah why can't those old boys do something impressively technical, like build a strong brand
That would be worth mentioning in a Python keynote
 
user559633
12:41 PM
@RobertGrant Yeah, I saw that too, and the tshirt.
 
Oh lol yeah I didn't even see that
 
I didn't read "old boys' network" as a gendered statement, FWIW
 
user559633
It's inherently gendered.
 
Sorry, I'm so enlightened, I don't see gender. So the phrase just looks like "old █ █ █ 's network" to me.
 
user559633
12:46 PM
@RobertGrant Sure, I mean that article goes into the "it's a pipeline issue" which has been my experience as someone that interviews candidates on a very regular basis.
 
I know it's one of my own axes to grind, but it's annoying that casual (or not) anti-guy stuff is totally acceptable, but any comment that's remotely in the other direction will be pounced on and endlessly blogged
 
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@Kevin :) Yeah, but your skipping of the gendered statement aside, the people that would make that claim are also the type that complain when someone uses "grandma" as a way to say "it's so straightforward, my grandma could work with it." "WELL ACTUALLY I anecdotally know someone that knows of one grandmother that's good with computers"
 
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@RobertGrant Yeah, that stuff makes me vaguely uncomfortable because while I don't see it as explicitly "anti-guy" I find it really tedious that a cultural condition is brought up ad nauseam at every tech event.
 
@Kevin the OLD BLOCKS NETWORK? How DARE you!?
 
Never mind, I see what you did there, I just inherently assume you're being stupid most of the time.
 
12:50 PM
@tristan I don't mean it's a threatening thing or whatever, just that it's part of the fabric of communication these days. It used to be that women are stereotype A, and men are stereotype B, but now it's women can do anything and can never be pigeonholed, and men are stereotype B
 
I believe that every person spends at least 10% of their day doing dumb things. I have no other explanation for how the drivers on my daily commute are able to feed themselves when they get home.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant That's fair.
 
user559633
Also, many of the standard premises are just flat out wrong. People are so eager to prove that they're not sexist/racist/ableist/"phobic"/fingernailist/ponyist/bioessentialist that if a trashcan with a wig applied for a job, it would get hired on the spot
 
And that is very annoying for me, who tries to do his best to treat every person as not a stereotype, but can't shut up about fairness issues like that even when the PC wind is blowing very much the other way in a conversation
 
user559633
Also, there's a "talent shortage" so you can't tell me that companies are choosing latent bias over making more money.
 
12:53 PM
Yeah, you'll always have problems when you choose a conclusion and work backwards
 
@tristan you assume that application of latent bias is conscious: of course if they knew what they were doing they might think twice
 
@MorganThrapp what up
 
cbg @MorganThrapp
 
@holdenweb I don't think he's assuming that at all, from what he said
 
user559633
12:54 PM
Anyway, so tedious that a meetup group with a strong brand is part of a keynote and even general tech conversation.
 
"I'm unconsciously choosing to employ no-one, and hurt my business' expansion, rather than hire a woman"
twiddles thumbs
 
user559633
@holdenweb Of course it's latent bias, but I flat out refuse that there's a systematic problem of "ugh this makes the bottom of my spine feel all icky I refuse to teach/hire you"
 
There was some uproar a few days ago about Github encouraging people to adopt a code of conduct for their projects. There was a bit saying that we should treat others the same regardless of race/gender/ability, which people interpreted the final item to mean "you have to accept pull requests from people that have no coding ability"
 
@tristan of course there isn't, but bias can appear in many ways. Women are often "not like us" to a group of hiring men
 
user559633
@Kevin Can you link to that? Because there is a serious issue if your hosting provider tells you how you should maintain your own code.
 
user559633
12:57 PM
@holdenweb Are you talking about the "culture fit" issue?
 
Of course, all the professional Internet curmudgeons strongly reserved their right to call anyone an idiot for any reason.
 
@Kevin yeah but github were massively sexist, so maybe they're overcompensating
 
Not just that, though lack of culture fit is always a convenient way to exclude women
 
user559633
@holdenweb Sure, but "culture fit" screening is 100% bullshit 100% of the time and I'd wager precludes more men from employment than women.
 
It just seems absurd that there's a huge talent pool of top-quality women in tech who can't get hired, but also won't start their own tech business and dominate
 
12:58 PM
It seems pretty tame to me, really, since it's about as far from mandatory as you can get
 
@tristan maybe so. But again, it's a bias that is applied (mostly) unconsciously
 
user559633
If anything, I find "culture fit" employed as an agist and "no people with odd personalities" mechanism
 
@RobertGrant not everyone wants to run their own business (I got tired of it after 30 years, for example)
 
user559633
@Kevin Ugh, I wish they left off "geek feminism." Those people are looney tunes.
 
Yeah I was at a job interview recently and the guy said out of the blue that people who are religious and don't like swearing wouldn't fit in
Apropos of absolutely nothing
 
user559633
1:00 PM
"Just start your own business" is not a solution FWIW
 
@tristan no, I wasn't saying it was, but the statement as a whole stands I think
 
user559633
It takes a lot of work and experience, and if there's an issue with access to either, that's typically a non-starter.
 
Unless you think every startup incubator is biased against women, and no woman wants to make a crap load of money
 
user559633
"Unwelcome comments regarding a person’s lifestyle choices and practices, including those related to food, health, parenting, drugs, and employment"
 
@tristan Geek Feminism took the opposite point of view from the one I took when formulating the Python Diversity Statement and tried to be explicit about what constituted harassment
 
user559633
1:02 PM
Jesus christ internet and people.
 
Wow, unwelcome. That's pretty objective. UNWELCOME COMMENT REMOVED
 
user559633
@holdenweb To be fair, I find Python to attract one of the better communities. The geek feminism bullshit is a group of people that just like to make up harassment and link to their Patreon/online-donation forms.
 
user559633
How dare you criticize me? Don't you know that I never want to improve myself?
 
user559633
'Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop'
 
user559633
Are you kidding me?
 
1:04 PM
@tristan well I take some credit for that, having worked hard to exemplify what I feel is a healthy approach to diversity
 
@tristan I'm sort of down with that, actually. In my ideal collaborative project, we'd refuse to acknowledge the existence of any objective reality beyond the bounds of the code base.
 
user559633
This is from the Github linked code of conduct.
 
user559633
Simulated physical contact, e.g. textual descriptions
 
"Ted, you should eat better" "What is eating? I am but a humble incorporeal idea cloud"
 
user559633
@holdenweb Sure, and I think that the Python approach before now (not sure what it's turning into) attracted sane, reasonable people. I fight for the same things in culture at employers.
 
1:06 PM
Point of all this shit is really to drive home the point that if someone tells you they find your behavior offensive then you should desist (in their presence) simply to allow us all to get along better. There are no absolutes in giving offense, offense is in the eye of the beholder
 
user559633
@holdenweb I agree, but feel as if that point is a departure from what we've been discussing.
 
user559633
That's just a truism amongst people that aren't monsters.
 
Hmm... I have an idea for something I want to make, but I don't think technology is quite there yet :\
 
Things are bound to get somewhat hairier as diversity increases, but it's up to mainstream Python users to push back if it goes too far.
 
user559633
'We will not act on complaints regarding:

‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’'
 
user559633
1:07 PM
Why the f not?
 
w... what is reverse racism? Racism doesn't have a direction
 
Yeah, I was just about to say.
 
Sensitivity training (yes, there is such a thing and I've had some) makes it apparent that offensive or harassing behavior is very dependent on the audience. Thus the same remark can be made with impunity to a woman colleague who knows you well even though it might be offensive to a junior. For example.
 
Of course it does, racism always starts at me and points at other people.
 
user559633
Since the whole thing is wrapped up in personal perception and anecdotal events: I've helped someone out for hours with a project and she named everyone that helped her that wasn't white or straight when presenting it later
 
1:09 PM
Now, of course, we just see different groups trying to innovate in the CoC space which, to my mind, for the Python community, is unnecessary - we chose our direction a while ago, and proceed along it
 
user559633
I will never enact the "TODO conduct code". This stuff is ridiculous.
 
Yup, goes a bit over the top
 
user559633
GitHub is destroying itself.
 
No news there, then
 
user559633
This is like a breath of fresh air in comparison.
 
1:12 PM
@tristan It seems like one group of those rules essentially says "these are the rules, and questioning the validity of these rules is against the rules" which sounds kinda ridiculous
 
user559633
I read the Python CoC and this ringing sound in my ears went away, my skin cleared up, and my vision isn't blurry anymore
 
user559633
@corvid How dare you say we're going to far in protecting our strawmen and fictional anecdotes. Social progress is never too far! ISIS accepts both men and women, so why doesn't your company?
 
@tristan Thank you. THat took a LOT of effort on my part over about two years
Remember, though, the Diversity Statement isn't a CoC but a statement of principle to which we would like people to adhere
 
I find it slightly uncanny to realize that the words written on python.org were put there by an actual person, rather than just having sprung fully formed from the Platonic realm of ideals.
 
@Kevin if you had spent two years on the diversity list you might think differently
 
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1:17 PM
@holdenweb It just a tangible form of my ideal approach of "oh god i don't care about who you are, can we just go back to what we're actually here to work on."
 
user559633
Related to GitHub and missing the point threatening to take down a repo because it uses the word "retarded."
 
@tristan yes, it follows the NLP principle of keeping the end goal (more people working with and on Python) in mind
 
One thing I never understood: I've heard some people say they think programming communities are sexist for having a smaller percentage of women comparatively
 
That's cool
@corvid that's a standard claim
 
user559633
@holdenweb Natural language processing? Also, I've taken one of your ideas and made it part of who I am -- "does X adhere to the set of Y tests that I had in mind"
 
1:19 PM
Neurolinguistic programming
@tristan can you explain that last bit - I don't instantly recognize me in it
 
user559633
@holdenweb Oh, in one of the writings on your blog -- the one pertaining to the implementation of laws -- you state a "test driven approach" to amendments.
 
Ah, right. Thanks
 
Unrelated other thing I don't get: how are you supposed to manage events and callbacks in OOP?
Like... throw all the bindings and callbacks in the constructor? Make really small methods and call them in the constructor?
 
@corvid Seems like the arrow of implication is backwards there. "if the community is sexist, then the percentage of women will be low" is valid, but "if the percentage of women is low, then the community is sexist" is not.
 
user559633
@holdenweb I just find it an incredible way of classifying things because of its simplicity to explain and implement.
 
user559633
1:22 PM
@Kevin No, I've only seen it in perception of sexist due to spot observation.
 
user559633
Never mind the fact that an ideally non-sexist/non-asshole community is hard to get demographic data on because a good programming community doesn't fixate on stuff that doesn't matter
 
@Kevin the main reason it bothers me is because there are some other careers, like construction worker, that also lean more towards men but are not considered sexist because of it. More of just a logical counter-example to the second statement
 
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@corvid It's slacktivism and perception of being beneficial on the pay/effort curve.
 
Yeah exactly, it's just partly about money
 
I wonder how often the nursing community is accused of being sexist because of its 1:19 male-to-female ratio...
 
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1:24 PM
@Kevin Almost never. And there are terms like "male nurse" that are accepted by the general public.
 
Indeed; also the institutional racism involved in the primary school community
@tristan see also: midwife
Who we went and saw today and IT'S A BOY!
 
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@RobertGrant Oh nice, congrats mucka
 
Thanks :)
 
How dare you imply that a wife can't be male ;-)
 
Sorry, I should've said IT'S A NOT-GIRL
 
1:26 PM
How dare you imply... Actually I'm not sure what we're talking about any more, but I'm outraged about something.
 
@Robert so you're doing with Adolpho for a name then?
 
Adolpho? No, no, the correct baby name is Megatron. For either gender is fine.
 
Yeah I guess so. Adolpho Waitforit Grant
@Kevin either? Comments that imply gender is binary are not welcome
 
hrm, google why you no help today.
Trying to find good ways to handle translating a series (including a conjunction).
 
It's been replaced with Altavista as a candid camera prank.
 
user559633
1:28 PM
I think this is ultimately what I find so annoying about the oppression-fetish crowd -- they just pretend to be progressive when they're one of the most insular, abrasive groups. And because sexism and racism exist, they can just come in and drag their asses across the carpet like a dog and it grenades a topic while people feel the need to defend themselves against the subtle insult
 
@MartijnPieters Translate, as in... Into another language?
 
In a translation text: your options are {series}, where {series} consists of one or more elements joined by commas and the word and in English.
 
@Kevin like...Ruby?
 
So foo, bar and baz, where the items are variable.
 
Oh, sorry. Perl.
 
1:30 PM
when there is just the one item in the series, you drop the and.
 
Ok, so not translation as in "moving a point along a predetermined vector"
 
Other languages may have different rules as to how you'd enumerate a series, with or without the conjunction.
 
The reason I find them annoying is I have no clue what they actually want :| like can they develop an easy-to-read manual with pictures please?
 
but try and search for translation i18n series conjunction and you won't find anyting remotely helpful.
 
Lazy solution: skip the "and" entirely and use bullet points.
 
1:31 PM
@tristan OK - that will complete quickly :) If you need a second pair of eyes on some code... I'm a past master at slowing down perfectly fast solutions ;)
 
This is assuming you're willing to break the sentence into multiple lines.
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape lol, amazing. putting it on github, one second please
 
@Kevin nope, not an option. Single line text output please.
No paragraphs, no newlines.
 
Yeah, I suspected as much.
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape Here's what I have right now. I hadn't done work with graphs before this, so please don't make any assumptions that I know what I'm doing.
 
1:33 PM
Sometimes I do use lists in single lines. I do this by 1) prepending each item with a number and right paren; 2) ending each item with a semicolon; 3) including "and" between the last item and the one preceding it, but this is optional.
 
user559633
The current logic is doing "start at vertex X, look at edges for closest Y. go to closest Y, look at edges for closest Z..."
 
The and is good
 
sounds non-trivial @martijn - I suspect (with no particular linguistic knowledge) that inline lists in prose could be represented quite differently across the globe.
 
Just checking - does anyone know of a language that actually uses different conjunction rules? Are we sure one exists?
 
Any RTL language will look different I guess
 
1:36 PM
 
Wow that's awesome
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd That's a weird looking rabbit
 
Not that "we aren't aware of any different conjunction rules" is strong evidence for "no conjunction rules exist", of course.
 
1:37 PM
But if you add it to the evidence of "there's no easy-to-find documentation on the matter on Google", then it starts to add up...
 
And any FTL language is impossible to know what it looks like without the correct spaceship
 
ba dum pssh
 
@Kevin No - I don't know - hence heavy caveating of my sentence ;p
 
@RobertGrant Speaking of spaceships, I've been playing Spaceteam with the girlfriend. If you haven't played it, I highly recommend it.
Their tagline is "A co-operative shouting game". Which is 100% true.
 
1:40 PM
Oh yeah I read a good review of that on RPS or somewhere
That does look awesome, now I look again
 
It's a little reminiscent of Wario World, in that it's basically a bunch of mini-games, but with more shouting.
Friendly shouting, though.
 
Unfortunately I we only have one android device
 
It's cross-platform if you have an iDevice.
 
We have enjoyed jackbox.tv with friends though, that's awesome
 
Hmm, that site does not seem to be doing anything.
 
1:43 PM
Access denied for me, because I'm at work
 
It's just a blank page, and I don't have any blocks.
 
@Kevin This implies that at least in Chinese, the way to separate lists is different to the normal comma. Thus I'm claiming an existence proof (not a proof) ;)
 
For anyone looking for a fun Indie game store.steampowered.com/app/253030 is free until 1pm whatever-USA-time today.
 
It's visible only to the pure of heart. Little known HTML5 tag.
 
<pure organ="heart"></pure>
 
1:45 PM
Good Evening
 
Greetings. It's not even lunch time here (although I'm entirely ready for it)
 
i see
where are you working?
i am also ready for it every time :D
 
On that github thing, this guy times a million
 
EST, also known as The One True Time Zone
 
@Kevin EST! Represent.
 
1:48 PM
Are you indian?
 
Nope
 
EST is the bEst ST.
 
ohk! i tought you are indian, name looks like so ^_^
 
Yeah the number of Ranas who were named Kevin is pretty surprising
 
Apparently it's celtic in origin, if Wikipedia is to be believed.
 
1:50 PM
Pfft. Up the GMT Massive! Represent!
 
> It can also be spelled Kevyn, Keven, or Kevan
 
Yes! G M T
 
Wrong, Wikipedia. Those are not true Kevins.
We do not invite their kind to the annual International Convention of Kevins.
 
Saint Cóemgen (Irish: Caoimhín; Latin: Coemgenus), popularly Anglicized to Kevin (498 – 3 June 618) is an Irish saint who was known as the founder and first abbot of Glendalough in County Wicklow, Ireland. His feast day in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches is 3 June. == Early life == His life is not well documented, as no contemporaneous material survives. His Latin vita (life) maintains that as with St. Columba, Kevin's family were of the nobility — he was the son of Coemlog and Coemell of Leinster. He was born in 498 at the Fort of the White Fountain. He was given the Irish name...
 
@Kevin They violate the ISO-KI naming standard.
 
1:52 PM
They are the discarded bandaid floating in the swimming pool of Good and Right Names.
 
Wow, bitbucket let you have unlimited free private repos?
 
Yeah but their UI is awful.
 
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@RobertGrant They charge on team size.
 
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@Kevin Aren't you in EDT?
 
Hm okay, interesting
 

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