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12:00 AM
LBYL is look before you leap.
 
Is that just checking to make sure things are right first?
 
Yes:
LBYL
if a in some_value:
do_something(some_value[a])
 
I see.. I'm definitely more of a LBYL-er
 
or, if it makes sense:
do_something(some_dict.get(a, 'sensible default'))
 
12:02 AM
LBYL is popular in C, but EAFP is much more standard in Python.
 
I need more EAFP practice
I see that editing has become a lot more prevalent here since @BhargavRao 's comment : p
 
I actually don't see a ton a try/except. I think that stuff from the docs that alludes to it is out of date, written way before we had dict.get and friends
 
Nowadays it is both mixed up.
 
Oh hey, you can go vote on this now: stackoverflow.com/a/30676267/541136
 
Will be on 987 after the tag calc tonite \o/
@AaronHall I can reverse my vote too!
 
12:07 AM
Is there a standard list of 'forgiving' ... um commands? Like dict.get
 
setdefault for the inverse, set it if it doesn't exist
 
Well rbrb. Going out for a walk
See ya all later
 
Repcap is over. :D
 
12:26 AM
beiff cbg
 
Blue name, now?
 
Cbg Jon and congrats
 
Ooh, and a little diamond, too
 
This happened yesterday:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/296975/welcome-two-new-moderators-matt-and-jon
 
I saw that, but yesterday I don't think he was blue yet
 
1:06 AM
15 hours ago, by Jon Clements
I sinned in a previous life...
 
Are you a cat?
 
Allways dog pretending to be human @AlexanderHuszagh
 
 
1 hour later…
F4z
2:17 AM
`value = 60`
`print(10 < value < 100)`
`#result is TRUE
why is it that there is a < to signify that value is greater than 10 but < to show that's its less than 100 (10 < value < 100)
 
10 < value is equivalent to value > 10
 
F4z
but writing (10 > value < 100) returns false is this a way of doing value is greater than and les than in python?
 
F4z
2:36 AM
I have another question:
def test_booleans(value):
result = value > 10 or value <= 5 and value != 12
print("1.",result)

result = (value > 10 or value <= 5) and value != 12
print("2.", result)
1. True
2. False
What do the parenthesis do? add order? if so shouldn't the second one be true also?
got it.
 
Hey can somebody tell me if my code is broken or my python is broken? stackoverflow.com/questions/30879156/…
I'm kinda feeling like a massive n00b here
 
2:53 AM
[tag:cv-pls] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30881489/data-type-using-pandas

Question shows no evidence of research and is vague at best.
 
3:21 AM
@JRichardSnape thanks, that's very nice of you, by the way.
 
@AlexanderHuszagh you can't use markdown on multiline posts
 
My chat is broken :(
 
Ah thanks @davidism. Just noticed that.
 
cbg
Headscratcher -- I know eval is dangerous no matter what, but trying to prove my point on a post that replaces all .s with brackets (to answer this question which asks how to turn 'a.b.c' into a['b']['c'])
without the ability to use a ., I'm stumped on how to cause damage with an unsafe string
Oh congrats @JonClements!
 
3:36 AM
@AdamSmith why not just user_input.split('.')?
In 3.5 you can even use name, *keys = user_input.split('.') (or something like that)
 
because named regex groups are fancier ;) because I'm dumb
 
the name is split_result[0]
 
Deleted idiotic comment for good reasons on my part. Good call.
 
@AdamSmith I'd upvote, but look at all that regex :)
 
I'm trying to work out whether four sets of 2d coordinates form a square without really using maths, and it's almost working for all of codeeval's test cases :)
If I have a list of coordinates, say [(1,2), (1,8), (5,8), (5,2)], I'm basically taking the first point, (1,2), finding if there's a point that has the same x-coord, which is (1,8), then finding the point that has the same y-coordinate as that one's, which is (5,8), then finding the next x-coord, (5,2), then checking that y-coord matches the original's y-coord, in this case it does. Since it all matches, it's a square. Otherwise not. Is this missing some obvious case?
 
3:40 AM
@davidism Just because you can't understand my answer doesn't mean you shouldn't vote it up! ;)
I kid, I kid.
 
How do you star on mobile?
 
I've tried special-casing where all the coordinates are the same, in case ce want that detected as a square or not, and it seems as though they do, but that's not enough
 
Nothing obvious. That sounds like it should work.
you might need to check it's not a triangle.
are you asserting that len(coords) == 4?
 
Yeah
 
You might want to sort the points and then use specific indexes
 
3:44 AM
@JanDvorak can you give an example of points where that would help?
 
as in, an example of points where your approach breaks? Sorry :-(
 
how about each coord? It's not a square if you're given [(1, 2, 0), (1, 8, 0), (5, 8, 0), (5, 2, 1)]
 
those are some weird looking 2d coordinates
 
yup
but his approach should work for well-formed input
 
Your algorithm also detects rectangles as squares
 
3:46 AM
Duh
Oh yeah lol
 
does it? Did I read it wrong?
oh, yes.
my bad
 
Yeah I just check right-angles basically
 
In fact the example is a rectangle ha
 
My very bad
@AdamSmith lol yeah I just made it up
Okay this just became way easier
I blame 5am
@JanDvorak thanks!
 
"Do your worst!" Robert points at that time he thought a rectangle was a square.
 
3:48 AM
Yeah, but it doesn't even check for right angles. It ignores non-square rhombuses too.
 
@AlexanderHuszagh give me an example of coords that would create a rhombus?
 
Give me a second....
 
@davidism if that's ever an interview question then we'd be there all day :)
Ah fine. Stars
 
no I don't think it does. He says he checks x -> x2, y2 -> y3, x3 -> x4, y4 -> y
that should require right angles
 
This might behave erratically if some points overlap
 
3:51 AM
No I'm saying false negative: it ignores right angles that don't have identical x or y coordinates.
 
ahh
 
It'll fail if they don't all overlap, in which case it either passes or fails depending on whether I think they think a dot is a square :)
 
So let's say we take a square and rotate it 30 degrees. It's not a square anymore, but it still has right angles.
 
it's still a square
 
It's technically a rhombus.
 
3:52 AM
It's both
 
in that all squares are rhombuses
 
it's still a square
 
But yeah if they test for that I'm screwed
And will have to start again
 
just use vector math
 
Yeah, I was trying a fun alternative :)
 
3:53 AM
<strike>Maybe... Let me check. I might be wrong actually.</strike>... How do I add strikethrough here? Yeah I'm wrong
 
I started playing Kerbal Space Program about a month ago, and got to the point where I actually have to do the vector math to get to new places
or, I guess "have to" is probably the wrong phrase. How about "am obsessed to the point of"
Orbital mechanics, yo.
 
Will you make a let's play series?
 
That's like one or two more orders of obsession magnitude
so maybe by next week.
 
I got sucked into ksp. So awesome. I tried to avoid the helper mods and stuff and try to play it by ear. Or eye
 
I unashamedly use Kerbal Engineer
 
4:03 AM
@Dracunos What's your death toll?.
 
It's fine, it's almost like playing a different game that way
 
I used to ashamedly use Kerbal Engineer, then I learned how to do the math by hand and went "Nah this is a pain."
 
I dunno, not many. I've only had the patience to get to the mun and the second moon, do some rover stuff. I got bored trying to make a refuel docking station :p
I mostly played back in beta before they had science or career mode stuff
 
I got to Eve and Gilly
 
just park a fuel tank with some docking ports?
 
4:05 AM
and home again! :P
Started to play with some hard mode mods
 
It's so much work refueling the refueler
 
Remote Tech is...eek.
Unless you do everything as manned flights
 
It's such a special and unique game no matter how you play it
More than a game
 
Yeah I have bad news. It seems rhombuses are "in" these days
 
Rhombi*
 
4:08 AM
Rhombii?
 
Well enjoy your trig.
 
trig? Just a little vector math.
 
Rhubarb all
 
Although I guess my method also worked for a square rotated through 45 degrees. Just not through any other degrees.
 
Rhbrb Dracunos
 
Yeah it works for 45 degrees because of chance.
 
Wow, weird
@AlexanderHuszagh I verified it by a fair dice roll
 
It just so happens that the opposite vertices line up ;)
 
I thought I was joking about rhombi :p
 
Just, please, no one say octopi.
 
4:11 AM
I'd just make two triangles, coords[:3] and coords[1:]. Verify they're both right isosceles triangles
ta-da.
 
Which, I, as a former humanities graduate will state that the English proper former is octopuses, and that the term actually comes from Greek origin, and so the proper plural form is octopodes, and not the us/i for Latin nouns.
 
ok, MW accepts "octopi" as correct, which means it isn't.
 
Yeah but octopi is solely correct because people assign a false etymology for it., based on the faulty assumption that the word is of Latin roots. It's correct by sheer repetition, which means when it's used to correct someone who states octopuses ironically betrays their own ignorance.
 
Or, if there's more than one issue present, ignorancii.
 
No, I won't get mad if you use it, but if you correct someone for using another form with octopi, I will stand my ground.
 
4:15 AM
What if I correct octopi to octopuses?
 
I'm fine with that, because the word is now in English, and the plural of words ending with a constant-us is -uses.
 
This is the thing about some humanities stuff: it's fine to correct people's English (or other language) if they aren't being clear, but if it's 100% clear what you're saying then correcting octopi just seems incredibly pointless.
(I know you aren't doing that @AlexanderHuszagh)
 
what im curently sayin is perfectly cleer yet butkering gramer
 
Oh it totally is. I'm more so referring to the people who correct other people's grammar without actually knowing what they are talking about.

All 3 are correct.
 
@JanDvorak okay, fair :) most of that's spelling, but even so the lack of capitalisation and apostrophi...sation? is annoying
 
4:23 AM
But seriously, I hate it when people try to force grammatical conventions for no logical basis down other's throats. I then narrate a fascinating tale of how arguing for a word's grammatical correctness solely on the basis of the word's origin is impossible, since the origin of the word origin is orior, a Latin verb referring only to people or "born" things and not inanimate objects.
 
If we're going by origin, then "robot" should be pluralised as "roboti" when referring to androids and "roboty" when referring to mindless automatons.
though "roboti" is also fine (and more common but modern) for mindless automatons.
 
@AlexanderHuszagh I'm more partial to complaining when people use leverage (on)? instead of use
 
seaches for more nouns originating in czech
 
5:02 AM
que tal?
ok.
 
5:47 AM
Cabbage :-)
 
5:58 AM
Re-cbg
 
6:22 AM
Cbg
snippet to create list of distinct  dict :
res1 = [{"a": 1, "t": 2},{"b": 2, "t": 3}]
res2 = [{"f": 7, "t": 4},{"b": 2, "t": 3}]
print [{i:j} for i,j in {next(i.iteritems()) for i in res1+res2}]
works well with dict having single item, but fails when I added 2nd item "t" in dict
 
Finished that thing off, woop.
 
6:48 AM
(Also had breakfast, got dressed, went to work, etc. Haven't been working solidly on that thing :))
 
@nlper The point being you want to see both 't' keys?
 
@nlper could you have another for that iterates over a list of dicts, instead of adding them together?
 
@nlper When you add two dicts the result is also a dict, meaning there'l only ever be one 't'
 
@holdenweb [{"a": 1, "t": 2},{"f": 7, "t": 4},{"b": 2, "t": 3}]
I am expecting this kinda result
 
But you're not saying what you're getting. Come on man!
 
6:59 AM
What a pity they are dicts, so you can't just chuck them in a set.
 
@RobertGrant what I am getting currently is
[{'a': 1}, {'b': 2}, {'t': 4}]
 
Yeah, because you're making a dict for each k-v pair
 
What is the call to next(...) supposed to do?
Because in fact it just returns the value of the iterator
 
yes, it's just Retrieve the next item from the iterator
 
7:14 AM
If you want all the values like that, what's wrong with [{i:j} for d in res1+res2 for i,j in d.items()]?
What's the next for?
Then if you want things like the t element to appear both times, don't add the dicts together, just loop over them: [{i:j} for l in [res1,res2] for d in l for i,j in d.items()]
 
The next is almost certainly wrong, but I think the point is you want to eliminate duplicates, right?
 
next(i) is simply a call to i.__next__(), and those calls are provided by the iterative context. This is why you are only getting one item in your dicts, but you are focusing on the key collisions, perhaps?
 
@nlper please stop making people guess what you want
 
Yep, good call, I'm a bit prone to too much extrapolation in situations like this...
 
@JRichardSnape Yes, wanted to eliminate duplicates
@RobertGrant sorry budy, just I was stuck up
 
7:27 AM
@nlper Don't worry about those guys, they're just cranky because they've answered too many dumb questions ;-)
But it does always help to state what the problem actually is, rather than the goal that is being frustrated.
 
I still don't know what the problem is
 
@holdenweb Thanks : ). I could not understand what you mean by key collisions, I want to get distinct dictionaries in result.
I could not describe the issue, so I provided what result I am getting and what I expect
 
Yeah, but unless you choose your data very carefully, the expected result could be obtained from the given data by many different algorithms. So you have to try and speak more generally, like "I want to get a list of the unique dicts in two lists."
Describing the issue is, as you have clearly understood the first step to understanding it well enough to be able to program it
 
@holdenweb yes, will program and if still I face issue, I will explain the issue in clear way
 
It's always a good idea to have some code, and you definitely did that. Try writing it out as a loop first - once you have a working loop it's easier to write a comprehension
 
8:04 AM
What I suspect you need is res1 + [d for d in res2 if d not in res1] which gives [{'a': 1, 't': 2}, {'t': 3, 'b': 2}, {'f': 7, 't': 4}] without even looking at any keys directly
But, as I said, that's just one of an infinite number of possible algorithms given one set of data and one specific result
 
@nlper definitely don't take what I said the wrong way (@holdenweb is right, probably am cranky pre-coffee)What I meant to say was that I personally often forget to ask for clarification and assume the wrong problem. However, in this case it seems I guessed right and you already have an expert advising you :)
 
@AaronHall Default make action for Python (2) code: compile it with pypy
@niper and you can ignore @JRichardSnape's grovelings, he knows if he doesn't make apologetic noises Foul Ole Ron will stand outside his house and lower property values
 
True that
Hmmm, as I get into work, I note that desks have gradually emptied over the last few months. Rats and sinking ships, I wonder? Maybe time to look for pastures new
 
Is your company not doing so well?
(Protip: make sure that they haven't moved you into the basement)
 
8:20 AM
It's a university. On the face of it, OK, but financial outlook not good and morale low
 
Time for you to leap in and tell them how they can automate $stuff and save $$$
 
The face of it == student numbers and league tables rising according to current administration
 
If it's Nottingham, the problem could be that they're trying to buy the entire city
 
click question... gist.github.com/ThiefMaster/a4e4445d405ab8cde2ae - any ideas why my validate_name callback doesn't have access to the indico_dir argument via the context even though it has a value?
 
I'm an academic, thus seen as a cost, rather than a solution :p
 
8:23 AM
Tell them to send you on Apache Spark training because you're going to make them the number 1 university for big data in the world
BHAGs, people!
 
And just when it comes to crunch time, use your elevated position to leave
Unless you think it's really going to work
 
nevermind.. the callback needs to return the value..
 
@JRichardSnape no prob
 
Hey up
 
8:35 AM
CharlesBabbaGe
If salad becomes reviled, we can move to Computing History language and still say the same stuff!
 
8:49 AM
@Ffisegydd hey up fizzy good
@RobertGrant AdalovelaCE
 
I made the most immense casserole yesterday. Cooked it on a low heat for about 6 hours.
 
Low and slow is the way to go
 
Chorizo, onion, potato, carrot, celery, cherry tomatoes. Cooked in a tomato and vegetable stock with garlic, chilli, paprika, and cumin.
Gonna serve it sprinkled with basil and with some crusty bread.
 
mouth waters at thought of chorizo stew
 
I also left it over night (not cooking) to let the flavours deepen.
 
8:59 AM
Cabbage!
 
9:27 AM
stupid chat formatting.
what I wanted to say: CBG
 
cbg
LONG TIME NO CBG!
I wasted my time:
watched this FUD by Kenneth Reitz
 
cg @AnttiHaapala
and all
 
Good morning all
 
10:03 AM
Just got in here to poke @MartijnPieters with meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297134/… iJava's posted another meta question that might get... interesting.
@BoltClock: that works too :-)
 
Looks like a troll
 
yeah
 
That has been active for over 2 years
And is asking a lot of questions
 
Cbg
 
Actually I'll let that one stew
 
10:10 AM
Yesterday +2

+2
User was removed
<3
 
Do users get a notification with a deletion reason, when a question gets removed?
 
Jon found one of your sockpuppets eh @Antti?
 
@Cerbrus No but they'll notice when they refresh
 
lol, no one can escape the Ninja Puppy :D
 
I just have the meta feed open in a tab
That the next new question would be posted by him was kinda predictable.
 
10:13 AM
@Cerbrus My darling. This is what you dream about :) — iJava 9 secs ago
 
Heh, I saw that
 
@thefourtheye which one is your native tongue btw?
 
@AnttiHaapala Tamil :-)
 
how do you think how well do people master Hindi generally if it is not their native?
we're speaking of computer-literate people mostly :D
 
bas ho jata hai.
 
10:16 AM
Well, I have a few Tamil friends who speak fluent Hindi. When I ask them 90% of them replied that they had other Hindi speaking friends in their Childhood
 
@Frédéric Hamidi No, I don't want to terminate my account! I just don't want to have here points more than one. Don't I have right to do that? — iJava 5 mins ago
 
few or a few? :D
 
Because being able to === having the right to
 
I don't have much Hindi speaking friends, but now I can understand Hindi. I just watch a lot of Hindi Movies and listen to hell lot of Hindi songs
@AnttiHaapala Ah, I missed that again :D "a few"
I just don't have anyone why can speak Hindi, around me. Otherwise I would be able to talk also.
Now, learning Punjabi also ;-)
 
I don't get that guy.
 
10:21 AM
@thefourtheye aapne sahi kaha
 
He's so keen to discuss the unfairness on meta, but he wants to lose the ability to do so xD
 
@Sword Ah, nice meeting a Mumbaikar in SO ;-)
 
:)
 
just having a problem that we're going to do some analysis of messages in Hindi and Arabic, and I guess both of them are pretty problematic, Arabic even more so, how can we know that the people really understand them :P (we wouldn't even know) :D
 
@Cerbrus If there's one thing trolls are consistently good at
It's "making no sense whatsoever"
 
10:23 AM
@AnttiHaapala just say "ma ismuk" , if that guy replies with his name , he understands arabic (most probably) , else he will say "wut"??
 
This is why I'm conflicted
I derive entertainment from such nonsensical thought processes
 
His latest edit is...meh...
 
But I shouldn't be feeding them
 
Should be removed
I know right
Ah well, lunch is ready, perfect timing.
 
@Sword we won't do it face-to-face :D
 
10:24 AM
@AnttiHaapala Hmmm, I know a friend's friend who worked on this project, called Quillpad. The beauty is, all the core guys who started this project speak only English and Tamil.
 
then copy-paste some arabic text and say "Iqra!!"
 
lol :D
I am not talking about people understanding basic Arabic
 
@thefourtheye वाउ आसम
just used it.. cool app
 
but that how well can a guy who can read the book or so properly understand vernacular from the other end of the world just because it happens to be written using the same script :D
 
@Sword I cannot read Hindi :D
 
10:27 AM
wow awesome
 
@Cerbrus Someone will serially upvote them just to spite them
 
that was what was written in devanagri script
 
Can you transliterate it? I would be able to understand it better ;-)
@AnttiHaapala Ah, that's a very difficult problem I guess :(
 
@AnttiHaapala ohhh, well you will need to know the other language otherwise you will have weird pronunciations..
 
@thefourtheye just another day at work
 
10:29 AM
@BoltClock beat you to that comment :)
 
@thefourtheye that was literal. typed wow awesome and got that
 
:D:D
lol
 
@RobertGrant I noticed. I was just spelling it out for him :)
 
Ah :)
 
At this point, I would strongly recommend walking away for the keyboard for a day, calming down, and then coming back with a more positive attitude. Your approach here will not help anyone. — Jon Skeet 2 mins ago
 
10:30 AM
@BoltClock good to see a moderator talking in this room. Not thanks to @MartijnPieters :D
 
I used to do what Jon Skeet suggested. It really works.
 
maybe that guy will reach a rep of 1 with the downvotes on the question..
 
@Sword meta votes don't affect rep
 
Meta downvotes don't count towards the main site rep
Meta votes are like, I agree/I disagree or Good to have/Not worth it.
 
looks like Unihedron will jump in as well..
 
10:35 AM
Why am I tempted to post this image in that thread?
 
@Cerbrus Where are you? I am missing.... — iJava 6 mins ago
No no no, Cerbrus is missing
 
seriously, he is in a trolling mood
 
He is in mood to give away the rep with bounties. Hmmm, I could use one.
 
Too bad even bounties are rate-limited
 
Oh, I didn't know that.
If you'd like to know the story: a user asked on Meta (in a since deleted question) whether there was a way to get rid of his reputation (I got the impression it was part of a ragequit). I suggested he could give it away in bounties instead, up to 1500 in a day- he was not aware that one could place bounties on other people's questions. To thank me for the information he ended up choosing me as the first recipient. Nice work if you can get it. — David Robinson Aug 3 '14 at 19:02
 
10:48 AM
@BoltClock he just abused.. looks like he wants his account suspended
 
I know, which is why I'm torn on whether or not to oblige him
@Cerbrus Thanks God! Here you are! :) — iJava 3 mins ago
@Cerbrus I don't think he knows
 
Yeah yeah, I know, I'm no longer allowed to have a life. Or paying work, at any rate.
 
A question: list(itertools.product([1,2,3], [4,5,6])) < does this mean I make 3*3 lists?
 
@AnttiHaapala it's because of you that @MartijnPieters can't have nice things
 
So one list of 1,4 one if 1,5 one of 1,6 one of 2,4 etc?
 
11:00 AM
@wouter have you tried it?
 
i dont write in python, but I want to know if the same if possible in c#
so if i understand the idea of how python does it, i want to ask if its possible in c# either
so, no i havent tried it @RobertGrant
 
What did they say in the C# room?
 
i didnt ask it yet, because im not sure how the itertools work
if they work how i think that they work, i will ask it
 
Maybe just try asking them how to make a 3x3 list, rather than asking them something that might only make sense to a Python person. That might just be way more confusing.
 
So again my questoin: list(itertools.product([1,2,3], [4,5,6])) do i create 3*3 lists with this?
okay because i actually want to make 3*3*3*3*3*3 lists
but i will ask on there
 
11:04 AM
I'd say in order of preference: 1) work out roughly how to do it in C# and then ask for any details 2) Ask them (or on SO itself) how to do it from scratch <snip> 30000) Ask them how to do it based on some Python code.
 
okay thank u
 
Hope they can help :)
 
@BoltClock Hm, did he just call me "god" there? :P
 
Alright, show's over, OP's gone. — BoltClock ♦ 8 secs ago
 
You should've waited, @BoltClock :P
 
11:10 AM
@MartijnPieters starred, maybe I should pin it :D
 
@AnttiHaapala Maybe I should just pin you.
 
@MartijnPieters OHHHHHHHH
 
Lets find a convenient tree, or something.
 
Wow, an oldfashioned SO rasslin' match
 
11:11 AM
@MartijnPieters how about a cross?
 
@AnttiHaapala sure, I come all the way to Finland to pin you to something, I'll bring a cross too.
 
You're welcome
 
11:30 AM
Hello Team
 
Sigh.
So what is wrong with stackoverflow.com/questions/30890099/… now?
Everyone seems to think the data can just be copied into Python, that's not the same thing as reading the characters from a file.
 
@MartijnPieters I worry that someone else is going to do your thing along with assigning it to a variable, and the guy's going to pick that answer :)
 
For encoding issues, isn't there unicode?
 
@RobertGrant the OP understood and accepted.
 
But for everything else, there's Mastercard
@MartijnPieters oh, okay. I was worried by him not being happy with you printing it
 
11:38 AM
@JanDvorak: why so incredulous that someone managed to use accented characters in a test file?
 
is it a test file for accented characters in a file name? Fine then.
even though I'd prefer "příliš žluťoučký kůň.txt" :-)
 
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to discriminate against characters with accents
 
@JRichardSnape I'm sure you realize it will only be a matter of time before you get to take revenge. I have my own cranky moments, but today very little can reach me. Great news on the career front -
 
What great news?
 
all other answers than Martijn's are gone
 
11:56 AM
@holdenweb Of course - no offence taken whatsoever bides time Glad you've had some good news - I hope it's a fun new undertaking.
 
Not a definite outcome yet, but a company I interviewed with wants to "discuss a full time role for you to consider." Eight hours after that news came in I got an excellent offer from a different company (they just quoted a (n excellent) salary, role to be determined). So I have that in my pocket, a good place to be in negotiations
 

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