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3:00 PM
Are the current election vote totals available, or are they kept secret?
 
I guess they are secret
 
user2555451
They will be revealed after the election is over.
 
I guess that's reasonable.
 
Heh. You know a website is old when they ask you to share their post on Digg or StumbleUpon.
 
3:21 PM
rhubarb
 
@PM2Ring They'll be available for download as a ballot file.
 
Thanks, Martijn
 
That's how I compiled the vote totals from last year.
See last year's election for how that'll look like.
I counted 21480 vote entries in the file, but the election page claims 21,571 people voted.
Not sure what happened to those 91 votes..
12000 new Constituent badges so far, so we are well on track to beat that this year.
 
@Martijn the turn out has been remarkably impressive :)
 
Just got a poke on Codementor for some help with sklearn
Anyone here active on CM and can help?
 
3:28 PM
I'd love to except - no to the former, and I haven't gotten around to learning sklearn yet :)
 
I know a bit of sklearn but 1) not on CM and 2) don't know it well enough for CM anyway.
It's a lovely package, really well designed.
 
How to find the max in a 2d list
field = [[0]*size for i in range(size)]
It's declared like this
ANyone here?
 
Yeah, their usual mentor hasn't been available for a few days.
Did generate interest in a Flask session in the future though..
@MikhailTal max(v for row in field for v in row)
or use itertools.chain:
max(chain.from_iterable(field))
 
3:44 PM
Right... stuff to do... rbrb for a bit
 
4:06 PM
Thank you @MartijnPieters
 
@MikhailTal: this is basically flattening a shallow list.
 
The more I learn :p
 
@MartijnPieters I am thinking of STV quotas,
 
itertools are awesome
 
what if 1/3 prefer someone as the first
and then 2/3 prefer joncle as the second
 
4:20 PM
Did you watch CPG Grey's video on STV yet?
If their first choice is elected, the fraction over the threshold is transferred to their second choice.
If their first choice is eliminated, their whole vote is transferred to their second choice.
So it depends on what that first choice was how much Jon will get in additional votes.
 
yes, I know
 
Note that in the Meek STV system the threshold gets lowered as votes are eliminated as well, so more and more of the already elected votes gets transferred as needed.
 
@MartijnPieters that exactly that it says: if top votes are divided by 3 candidates equally, are they all elected?
(yes)
 
4:38 PM
Raghav and Second are going to get a lot of first votes though...
It's just keeping in long enough to get some transfers... I'm hoping to get quite a lot of 2nds
 
Second is my second vote
 
Seems apt somehow :p
 
Hah
 
I hope Martijn / I got your first vote though :p
 
@JonClements meagar wasn't elected despite having 3rd most mentions
 
4:43 PM
I didn't know that I need to cast votes in order of preference, starting with the most desirable candidate first until now...
 
@vaultah really? :)
 
@vaultah well it shouldn't matter but actually it does
Bohemian 5655 2920 2408 == 10983
bluefeet 3340 3139 2275 == 8754
meagar 1897 2369 2866 == 7132
0x7fffffff 1921 2138 2152 == 6211
meagar wasn't elected there
for example.
guess he was the second to many others who weren't elected either
@JonClements that's why the only second that is safe for you is maybe behind martijn's
 
You're my first vote anyway. I didn't even have to rearrange my votes...
 
@AnttiHaapala But that is for 3 voters picking their 1st choices.
@AnttiHaapala No, he was the second after others that were elected.
If he was second after choices that were eliminated he'd have ended up higher.
My problem is everyone that assumes I'll be elected anyway and they pick their 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices as number 1, 2 and 3.
 
cbg
 
4:51 PM
@MartijnPieters I voted for you!
If that's of any help.
 
It's sacrilege if you don't vote for him
:D
 
@Carsten Thanks :-)
 
@BhargavRao Phew, dodged a bullet then.
 
We'll know soon enough if it was of help! :-P
 
It better was :P
 
4:53 PM
@Carsten I did not take any chances. I voted for Ninja asap and closed the field
:D
 
@MartijnPieters how many votes did you get it primary? is it available somewhere?
 
@MartijnPieters Had shared one of ya Code mentor videos on python internals to the class.
Then I told that I know you, I became an instant celebrity!
 
@Vyktor Yes, directly on the primary tab. My final 'score' was 10918.
 
Second after you is meagar with like 7300 or something @MartijnPieters ? That's nice
 
@AnttiHaapala Yeah... I think that's where most will come from... but alas, @Martijn's got the problem he might not get the full amount of 1st votes as he's presumed a shoe-in
 
5:00 PM
@Vyktor Yes, meagar was second in the primaries.
 
bananas!
 
Yep, felt a little sad on the bit that Joncle didn't reach 6k
 
@BhargavRao I'm just over the moon holding 3rd :)
 
I knew u would be 3rd.
But the 4th guy is rite behind
 
Yeah... 400ish votes difference is not much of a comfort zone
 
5:04 PM
And we never know if any one gets a sudden flood of votes
there are a lot of followers of Android
 
And I imagine a good portion of votes is going for being in the IST timezone as well
 
Naw! It's all split up there
@JonClements Yup, Paresh Mayani and Raghav Sood, both IST and both Android
SO they'll eat each other's votes
 
@BhargavRao guess we'll have to hope they split their votes in a more negative way than Martijn and I might be splitting ours... :p
 
Holy Shit! I forgot that the vote split between u 2 also!
 
Martijn needs to smash the first threshold... and there's going to be a lot of people that will be voting for both of us... so hopefully, it's picking up those transfers... but we'll see how it works out
 
5:15 PM
I'll change my order and put you up first now
Coz Martijn's getting more votes in anycase
I srsly want both of you in
Changed it puppy, You teh 1st guy on ma list now :D
 
Aww thanks... now just to someone get 10k other people to do that :)
 
BTW all are split on the 3rd vote
 
cbg @Kasra
 
cbg all!
 
5:20 PM
cbg, long time no see :)
 
cbg(Kasra)
 
@BhargavRao ;)
I have a question :D , Is there any mutual inheritance in python?
 
mutual inheritance?
 
Is it possible at all?
 
C++, too much of C++ here ...
 
5:23 PM
@Vyktor 2 class inherit from each other
 
lol, my xfce died from moving windows around
 
@JonClements disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor ... 3 guys in race for 3rd
BTW, @Kasra Did ya vote?
 
@Kasra isn't "mutual dependency" what are you looking for?
Do you really want to have 2 classes inheriting methods one from each other
 
As you may know python will define the classes or 99% of things in runtime so when we want a class inherit from other we must write the base class before the child !!!
 
check tis out
4
Q: A class subclass of itself. Why mutual subclassing is forbidden?

Stefano BoriniComplex question I assume, but studying OWL opened a new perspective to live, the universe and everything. I'm going philosophical here. I am trying to achieve a class C which is subclass of B which in turn is subclass of C. Just for fun, you know... So here it is >>> class A(object): pass ... >

 
5:28 PM
@BhargavRao thanks i have seen them ;)
I mean :

class A(B):
pass

class B(A):
pass
:D
 
Burn the witch!
 
@Kasra Naw! That can never happen in Python
 
Can it happen in C++ or somewhere?
 
@BhargavRao Yeah i know :D
 
Thus for Is there any mutual inheritance in python? Answer is no
 
5:31 PM
@Vyktor Yeah, i think
 
do you have any example? it seems bit (bit more) weird idea...
 
Happens in real life though!
:D
 
@BhargavRao show me an example pls
 
Real life? The Curious case of Tutankhamun
 
there's no "please" in salad!
 
5:32 PM
:D
 
@BhargavRao i voted for Martijn and Jhon and meagar :D the top 3
 
@Vyktor there's quite a lot of words not in Salad :p
 
@Vyktor Radish :P
 
@JonClements Carrot!
 
@Vyktor In C++ it is there
Can be simulated easily
 
5:35 PM
@BhargavRao you have my curiousity
 
In C++ shit happens!
 
@BhargavRao indeed!
 
I'm searching for an eg. It's called forward declarations.
 
What the ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… but no inheritance...
 
Yep. That's simulation of Multiple Inheritance
 
5:39 PM
I don't have a problem with circular dependency :) I need it too, but I cannot imagine any example where you would physically need to inherit ... methods/properties/whatever
 
@vaultah what's wrong. why are the questions I linked accepted then? — Switch 1 min ago
Grr, those questions are locked
 
And do you know about Tutan? (Just askin)
 
@BhargavRao nope
(I like the top rated comment bellow the question :D )
 
Yeah
That comment was like Google's Easter egg on recursion
Spekin of Tutan, he married his own grandmother!
So He became his own grandfather and grandchild at the same time!
 
yeah, i know about the recursion EE
yeah, I hate family relationships :D
 
5:44 PM
So that is Mutual Inheritance in real life!
:D
 
@BhargavRao not really :D formal mutual inheritance in real life, maybe :P
 
All within the age of 18
Maan! I'm 19
:(
 
@BhargavRao you're old
 
Too old
facepalm Waited 20 minutes to get the wrong output!
 
funny things in language is that it allows you to produce sentences that makes no sense in real life... so you formally become your own grandfather, but not really
@BhargavRao one... acquaintance... of mine is sort of pedophile... you hear him saying "too old" way too often ;)
 
5:49 PM
Man! Now I started to hate R
 
:D I hate it because of its dashboards :D
 
R seemed cool till I started, then it's level decreased rapidly
 
Yeah, I loved python until I really started using it :D (multiprocess communication, threading, all that "multiplatform bullshit" and the worst was trying out postgresql connector)
 
R does its job perfectly well.
 
Perhaps I'm bad at it
Either way, I'm at the receiving end.
 
5:54 PM
Don't get me wrong, it has problems (like every single other language in existence :P)
 
@BhargavRao you learn to hate every language you will work with long enough... the only exception for me so far was assembly, but I've only read it and wrote like 200 lines or something :D
 
@Ffisegydd except KevinScript which is undoubtedly completely flawless :p
 
Uhh...yeah...something like that...
 
Time to get into the mud. A round of fists with R. I will beat you this time
 
What do you need R for? Data Analysis?
 
5:58 PM
Ofc
Crowd sourcing
 
Isn't R like free matlab?
 
Eh. Not really.
It's free S.
 
My last project was in Python, It was like heaven.
 
:D
 
They do similar jobs though I suppose.
 
5:59 PM
Any free letters of alphabet?
 
@Vyktor probably start using unicode characters soon :p
 
I learn't Icon for fast string processing.
 
:D
 
Now it is of no use
 
6:03 PM
@BhargavRao M, N, O... are also free
 
Actually many down there are left
 
lol, what the hack is p#?
 
Sounds cool
> P# is a Prolog interpreter written for the Common Language Infrastructure.
 
speeking of coolness ... how about ubercode
blah
 
cbg @Switch
 
6:06 PM
Woah @Switch 's turned on
 
V, W are also free (Valhala would be cool name)
 
user4183195
what happened?
 
user4183195
hai
 
user4183195
im sory. this is my first time in SO chat
 
user4183195
6:07 PM
so I don't know much
 
user4183195
about thid
 
user4183195
this*
 
@Switch oh welcome... we just talk about stuff :)
 
user4183195
cool
 
not just about stuff
about p#
 
user4183195
6:08 PM
whats p#
 
user4183195
thought this is a python comunity
 
We speak about everything, from grains of sand to the end of the universe
 
@Switch it is... for some reason we're just finding free letters of the alphabet that haven't been used for languages yet... :)
 
user4183195
I don't understand
 
You just walked in on one of the many esoteric conversations that are normal in this room.
 
6:09 PM
Gosu sounds like a anime character
 
Don't worry about it.
 
user4183195
but this place is cool
 
Why yes, yes it is!
 
user4183195
oh and I love anime
 
@Switch it's so cool... it's absolute zero! :p
 
6:10 PM
Do read sopython.com/chatroom if you want to get at least some background info on what strangeness we natter on about here.
 
user4183195
ok
 
gone
 
user4183195
btw
 
Yeah, a Java regular cast the 3rd delete vote.
 
delv vote delete?
 
6:12 PM
That certainly didn't last long :)
 
Yeah
@Vyktor We are courteous enough to say delete vote please
:D
 
I keep thinking Hovercraft is a Python developer, only to be disappointed that they are a Java dev instead.
 
He is a 100% Java guy
 
loool, who the hell is that creature?
 
@Vyktor Yes, for certain posts, if they are damaging in some way or prone to attract a lot of unhelpful commenting, we ask for help with deleting.
@Vyktor You have never seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
 
6:15 PM
@Switch btw What?
 
@MartijnPieters not really... I guess I am too young for that... or it didn't catch me... I had luck mostly seeing US stuff
 
But most of all, it is just John Cleese in sheep-horn headgear.
 
Where did teh age on the prof page go?
Seems missing
 
@BhargavRao there's a post on meta about that :)
 
[tag:link-pls]
:D
 
6:18 PM
21
Q: Why was age removed from the new User Page?

BabySince the new User Page was introduced a few days ago, I've noticed that we can no longer see the user's age. Any reason why? Or am I the only one?

 
@MartijnPieters after watching that video I have a feeling that I'll fit right in here :D
 
@BhargavRao That's the max age you can fill in in a profile.
@Vyktor The programming language was named after the comedy troupe, so welcome to the Ministry of Silly Talks!
 
Although there's also serious talks... but I might just have imagined those...
 
That means people stop growing on SO after they reach 100 years! Anti-aging cream your take now
 
6:25 PM
They just moisturize a lot...
 
cbg @JGreenwell
 
cbg @JonClements
 
rbrb all!
Quite late here
Gotta sleep
:)
 
@BhargavRao rbrb!
 
:D
ty
 
6:38 PM
Where are you from guys by the way?
 
As it says in my profile - England :)
 
Earth
 
Same here, see my profile: Cambridge, UK.
 
I think
 
6:39 PM
@JGreenwell you are coming through rather faint, seems to be a huge latency.
Are you sure you are not on Mars or somewhere?
 
might of left my mind there
...think my body is on the Moon. Just can't remember which moon
 
@MartijnPieters how can I check what's the meaning of the tag?
 
Sorry, what tag?
 
sigh, why do so many people try to learn pandas (or scipy) without learning data structures first
 
6:44 PM
ah, I see
@vaultah salad(thank you)
@MartijnPieters vaultah already explained
wheee, new vikings out
 
@tristan I found your new favourite website - seriesf.com
 
7:12 PM
Anyone have any favorite tools for creating mathematical equations?
 
LaTeX? :P Could use mathjax.org
 
been using MyScript on my phone but I need to get something for my laptop
oh, that'll work
 
Definitely mspaint!
 
My Mac has a small app that allows me to create tiny pdfs with math functions.
So a single pdf per function.
You could see if you could find something similar.
 
Windows requirement for school/work :\ (I know there are built-ins with Linux or Mac)
 
7:18 PM
There may be a similar one for Windows though.
It's called LaTeXIt
 
mostly I was just curious if anyone had a favorite. I'll go searching, though MathJax will at least work for my current assignment so thanks :)
 
I wrote whole diploma thesis in LaTeX and it was fun... Notepad++ was fine as editor :)
 
ah, I see that (LaTeXIt) has a list of alternatives on a tex.SE post. thanks @Ffisegydd
ha! there got all my equations, into the bloody .pdf submission page, for my Graduate application essay
 
for user in sopython:
    print("@"+user+" cbg!")
 
cbg @Matt :)
 
7:29 PM
and how are things on a lovely Saturday afternoon?
 
@MattDMo Saturday evening now... but the afternoon was very pleasant - how's yours going?
 
It's quite nice here near Boston - it's currently 69F/21C, partly cloudy, and a nice breeze is blowing. The boys have been playing outside most of the day, and we even washed my car! Quite a break from having a meter of snow on the ground...
 
Certainly sounds preferable ;)
 
Yup. And I have good(ish) news - I'm starting a new job in 10 days. It's still a contract position, but at least with this one there's the chance of being hired full-time at some point, which isn't really the case where I'm at now. It'll also be a little bit of a change - I'll be working on immuno-oncology, using therapeutic monoclonal antibodies to activate the immune system to fight cancer. Cool stuff...
 
7:45 PM
Awesome - best of luck with that
 
Bananas!
 
Congrats @MattDMo
 
bananas indeed. What I'm working on now is more discovery research - we have an idea for a new way of treating certain diseases, and we're trying to find out if it'll even work. It's definitely a long way from patients. I really love what I'm doing, but this new job will be a little closer to the clinic, as it's a proven technology, and the company supposedly has great technology in identifying the patients that will respond best to the therapy.
 
8:00 PM
Here's the company's site if you're interested...
 
Will they prohibit you from chatting here? :p
 
@vaultah I doubt it. They're a start-up, with only 35 employees, so I doubt they have the kind of IT policies that my current employer (a very large pharma company that rhymes with "wiser") has.
 
\o/
 
Letuce, where I'm from 35 employees is considered not-that-small company and not start-up :D
 
8:51 PM
!()@$*(^&&!*@($()@!$*(!@)#&
On call this weekend, which is usually about an hour of helpdesk calls for the whole weekend
I've had 4 hours today
and the non-profit I volunteer for is trying to update their website and doesn't know how to paste preformatted HTML
and is blowing up my PERSONAL phone trying to get answers after I told them to unpublish until I can sit down with them
Not to mention neither of my on-call techs are answering their phones for the day job
so the two sites that need to have hardware maintained are calling me every half hour checking for an update
 
@AdamSmith lucky you? :(
re-cbg @Ffisegydd
 
plus the daughter is whining because she can't beat the level she's on in Angry Birds and wants daddy to help her with it, and the wife "isn't feeling well" today and hasn't gotten out of bed yet. GRUMBLE
So much for productivity today LOL
 
wb @Jeremy
 
Cheers. wave
 
How goes the day!
 

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