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1:02 AM
Blimey, I'm really doing the graveyard shift here
 
Graveyard?
 
yay people!
 
@idjaw what's your story?
 
My wife works evenings (she's a nurse)...so at home with the kiddos :)
yourself @AaronHall
 
I'm a programmer approaching middle age. I'm married, and I have a cat. I work at a bank. I'm fairly involved in my local Python meetup group. I also answer questions on SO once in a while.
I used to follow Uncle Bob on twitter, but he was always spamming and the noise to signal ratio was too high.
 
1:12 AM
Also approaching middle age, married, two kids, currently working for a hosting and infra company. I haven't been to my python and js meetups in a while and I'm really glad I decided to start contributing to SO! We watch uncle bob videos at work...they take too long to get to the heart of the discussion. There's always some kind of history lesson.
Which is fine...but sometimes I just want to get to the point:P
 
@idjaw Can't take credit for that one. Peter posted it, I just copied it.
 
@AaronHall definitely graveyard - 3:20am here
 
@Kevin Ah! thanks for clarifying
 
videos on programming are rarely efficient.
 
1:31 AM
Gonna try and sleep
Re-rbrb!
 
good plan
I've always learned best through projects
personal/school/work whichever
 
0
Q: Optimizing Strand Sort in Python

Noah BogartAfter reading about Strand Sort on Wikipedia and testing the provided Python version, I decided to try my hand at a faster implementation. I've studied the Time Complexity page, read many different approaches to mergesort (and borrowed some), tested the code myself with profiler, line_profiler, a...

 
I threw this at it input = random.sample(range(10000000000), 10000000000)
64.53 seconds
 
1:54 AM
Is anyone having trouble connecting to SO in the evenings lately? I'm getting a lot of packet loss right now.
I did a pathping but I don't quite understand the results.
 
things are OK for me
you using chrome? I sometimes get slowdowns using chrome
 
Using cmd.exe to test the ping.
It's been doing this in the evenings for the last four days, coinciding with trouble accessing another server I use. It looks like one of the intermediate hops is having issues at this time, not sure why.
After a few (or several) hours, it sorts itself out and works perfectly again.
 
user559633
2:22 AM
I haven't noticed issues. SO or SO Chat, @TigerhawkT3?
 
2:59 AM
SO itself, the plain www.stackoverflow.com. While it's like this, I see higher response times to the inbox or rep popups, load times, and VTC notifications. Sometimes it just gives up and says that it failed to load the popup.
 
 
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5:26 AM
cbg
 
@morris if you're on Linux, pulseaudio makes it incredibly easy to set up virtual sources, sinks, montiors, and combinations.
cbg @AnttiHaapala
 
asdflköasdlfkjasjdklfas
used ignore in IRC :d
was telling a person why I do not like LPTHW
so ... now ...
 
I don't know IRC. You were ignored?
 
No I needed to use the ignore command to silence a user.
 
Ah. That kind of user.
I had the weirdest moment earlier. I woke up and thought it was the next morning, but it turns out I fell asleep after I got home from work and just couldn't remember. Now I'm wide awake. :-/
My sleep schedule is so messed up.
 
5:34 AM
irc is like text only room chat networks, really basic and fast usually
 
haha
@Jerry @davidism
so imagine: IRC is the text only SOPython chatroom, with no avatars, and no-one using their real name...
 
irc is what triggered me starting to learn writing code btw xD
 
and the link to the real person being hard to find...
 
was impressed by bots and wanted to write my own
 
and there no being no rep :D
 
5:53 AM
:D
 
6:30 AM
Hey up all
 
6:40 AM
hey up
 
7:03 AM
For the purpose of science, did anyone manage to get coding: utf-16 (specify encoding of source code) working?
 
7:16 AM
?
 
@nhahtdh nothanks
 
@AnttiHaapala Of course, no one in their right mind would do so - just a test whether it supports such feature
That's why I said "for the purpose of science"
 
7:29 AM
@nhahtdh anw cabbage or xin cải bắp to you too
encoding utf-16 cannot work if there is bom at least...
hem, if I drop BOM, then python does not say anything at all. I guess it is because it does not like null-terminated strings somewhere
 
Regarding the heavy packet loss that I mentioned earlier (seen in a ping -t www.stackoverflow.com), I've done a bit of digging with pathping and it looks like the problem is with an intermediate hop to Cogent servers, which apparently have been having problems this whole week. So that's pretty much that.
 
@nhahtdh so it wouldn't work
 
Let's see if I can make it work by appending an ASCII string declaring the encoding before a stream of UTF-16 character
Of course, no text editor would like it
 
@nhahtdh linux to rescue
 
yeah
 
7:36 AM
@nhahtdh you were the regex101 guy I saw in some issue thread as well?
 
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, I use the same handle there
I look issues there once in a while for interesting bugs
 
@nhahtdh ok ...
doesn't work that way either:
encoding problem utf16 :D
python 2: utf16 stream does not start with bom, mmmh
ahha :d
hoho :P
python 2 works but it totally fscks things up
if I use UTF-16 source encoding, it assumes all 8-bit strings also have utf-16 encoding and prefixes them with bom
echo "# -*- coding: utf16 -*-" > foobar.py; echo "print(u'Hello world!')" | iconv -f utf-8 -t utf-16 >> foobar.py
this "works"
for some very odd definition of works :D
 
That is fscked up
Thanks for your help
 
8:00 AM
Cabbage has broken / like the first cabbage
 
Robert has spoken, like the first cabbage
5
 
Well I'm obviously going to star that :)
 
Bare faced star bait. Hope you're well, if a little sleep deprived
 
8:17 AM
Cabbaj
 
Cabbage!
 
@poke o/
 
@Tristan I watched some of your talk last night- looked cool, but I couldn't really see the slides. Is there a high quality video of it, or a separate place where I can see the slides and follow along?
 
Cbg all
 
@TigerhawkT3 I'm having the same issues. Then again, AT&T uVerse just sucks (just less than the alternatives), so it could be that too.
 
8:28 AM
It's snowing outside, not sure if I like it or not
 
I wouldn't mind some snow here
So hot at night
 
cbg!
I am trying to capture output of a shell command executed from Python with the subprocess module and pipe it to current shell. Here is my feeble attempt which doesn't seem to be working. It doesn't output anything on the shell, just hangs up. Don't see a buffer flush even after I exit it.
python3 -c 'import subprocess; subprocess.call(["tail", "-F", "/some/file"], stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE, shell=True);'
 
@davidism - I'm on Uverse, but I like it. It's fast, and it's been pretty reliable. I'm actually experiencing this connection issue only with STO and one online game - everything else seems just fine. As far as I can tell, it's the Cogent hop causing issues.
 
9:02 AM
Trying to fix my Jenkins error I've reached the 6 hour point in a measly 2 hours
 
Oops
I haven't got as far as CI yet; still loving/hating Selenium
 
My Python job works fine on master, but not on a slave skivvy indentured servant node.
 
You almost just got banned from using Django for that
 
What a shame that would have been.
 
Indentured servant is not yet on the memorised list of bad phrases. Well done for avoiding inappropriateness!
 
9:11 AM
"Bitch nodes"
3
 
hi guys
I am trying to compute the following in theano
mae = (m.exprs['output'] * T.std(m.exprs['target']) + T.mean(m.exprs['target']) - m.exprs['target']).mean()
f_mae = m.function(['inpt', 'target'], mae)
...
....
'mae': f_mae(TX, TT)
But am getting the following error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/vinod/PycharmProjects/MLPonTheano/MLPbreze.py", line 81, in <module>
mae = (m.exprs['output'] * T.std(m.exprs['target']) + T.mean(m.exprs['target']) - m.exprs['target']).mean()
File "/home/vinod/anaconda/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/_methods.py", line 125, in _std
keepdims=keepdims)
File "/home/vinod/anaconda/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/_methods.py", line 80, in _var
rcount = _count_reduce_items(arr, axis)
can anyone help me pls?
 
9:38 AM
Error seems pretty self-explanatory
 
10:18 AM
Bleh, just estimated some PHP work. Such sadness.
 
Was it "0 hours because I ain't doing that."
Am I correct in thinking that the python compiler will first remove any comments before doing any actual work?
 
Won't it skip them during lexing?
Or parsing
 
IIRC, comments with # are skipped, but triple-quote docstring comments are processed or handled in some way.
 
Yeah well they're actually strings.
They're just used as cheeky comments.
I answered a question \o/
First answer since June 1st.
 
11:04 AM
@JRichardSnape Hello sir. Everything worked out in the end! Decided a bit of a different approach, but I got what I was looking for!
 
@user4039874 Good stuff :) I recommend you self answer your question if you think it will be of benefit to users in the future!
 
Hello boys and girls
how are you today?
 
11:27 AM
morning cbg!
 
11:38 AM
MOAR TESTS
my application is failing for some weird reason
 
SPREAD THOSE TESTS OVER EVERYTHING
need an extra pair of eyes @khajvah ?
 
@idjaw oh it's a big application, would take hours to explain what is going on but thanks
 
11:54 AM
cbg
@AwalGarg you're supposed to do process = subprocess.Popen(...) then print(process.stdout().read()) repeatedly
 
cbg
 
12:20 PM
@AnttiHaapala damn right, realized that like 10 minutes ago and then saw your ping here. Thanks!
 
I've noticed a sort of Prisoner's Dilemma for answering questions on SO. Suppose the average SO reader will only look at answers that have the most upvotes or are tied for most upvotes. If you and another person answer a question simultaneously, should you upvote the other guy? If you both upvote each other, you both gain ten points and have the same odds of getting upvotes from readers than if neither of you upvoted the other.
But if you upvote him and he defects by not upvoting you, then you no longer qualify for upvotes from readers, and you get nothing at all ever.
 
I've been trying to figure this one out too...Interesting that me as a newbie this is still a dilemma for higher rep folks like yourself
 
@Kevin Usually one upvote more doesn't decide everything
 
@Kevin Simple enough. Upvote answers based content and not timestamp, and expect everyone else to do the same. So you do upvote the other answer.
 
Now that I've typed this out, this is exactly the payout matrix for the Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
12:26 PM
One of my rules I adopted is if I notice someone posted earlier than me and it is the right answer, I will typically delete mine and upvote them.
What bothered me (does anyone else get annoyed at this?) is when someone answers a few minutes after me, the exact same answer and they get the upvote
 
@idjaw this, if the content is the same.
 
for someone trying to build rep...it really bugs me :P
 
"Double cooperate" gives you a better reward than "double defect", but a worse reward than "defect on the other guy", and "get defected on" has a worse reward than "double defect". Matches up just right.
 
there is one rule. If you want to build rep, answer git questions
 
well crap...I never freakin' thought to put that tag in to my search
I just realized now I can look up puppet as well!
let the good times roll! :P
 
12:29 PM
@idjaw In my particular case, me and the other guy gave correct answers with different approaches
 
then I would leave both
 
So I think there's room in answer space for both of us.
 
and just choke it up to the reader to decide what they liked more
 
yeah there is
 
absolutely
 
12:29 PM
Anyway, I'm not looking for advice or anything. I just thought it was an interesting observation.
 
I could finally configure the web server today.
 
@Kevin I'm still trying to figure it all out. :P So this was educational for me
 
Pub lunch has left me drowsy.
 
well, no I didn't. Everything except POST requests work
 
Technically it's an iterated prisoner's dilemma because each new question could be another round of the game.
 
12:31 PM
@Kevin or you can downvote your competition lol
 
You can remember "this guy didn't cooperate in the last round" and go tit-for-tat
 
@Kevin I found myself getting upset when someone else got an upvote for an answer given 5 minutes after me that looked like a carbon copy of my answer. But I shook it off and told myself not to be a big baby about it.
 
@Programmer Yes, and they can do the same to you
 
@Programmer Not a particularly funny joke.
 
@Ffisegydd was it good at least?
 
12:32 PM
I really hope the downvote your competition isn't an adopted attitude...it hinders the quality of the community.
and answers
 
If answerers are rational, they won't do it.
 
I didn't mean it as a joke, but that is a possibility in his scenario
 
I take downvotes as constructive criticism
and most of the time I will delete to not mislead for anyone reading later on
 
"I didn't mean it as a joke" and yet you appended "lol" to it? :/
 
@idjaw given the downvoter wrote a comment
 
12:34 PM
^^ yes
 
I didn't mean as in you should do it, but I mean that people can do it if they're that driven.
 
If my post got a few upvotes, and then it gets a downvote without a comment - I get upset. Otherwise I don't care.
 
@khajvah However, a few times I noticed that the downvote related to an answer by someone else that was in fact better than mine. So I just assumed it was the poster saying "Hey, yours is not optimal"
 
Or wait, no. If answerers are rational, they will do it, because double-cooperate isn't the nash equilibrium.
 
I've several times upvoted answers from other people that the reader set mine to 'accepted'. I figure upvotes means "hey this works, so don't ignore it"
 
12:35 PM
I just remembered the bar scene from The beautiful mind
 
ooh btw, setup.py works! \o/ first python app :D
 
Of course, answerers aren't rational, and the actual environment of SO is a little more chaotic than the bounds of the scenario I've specified.
 
I don't remember Prisoner's Dilemma precisely, but I'm pretty sure there's positive action, neutral action, and negative actions pertaining to it. I was trying to come up with the negative. Correct me if I'm wrong though
 
Really, all you need to prevent the double-downvote-defect is a little pride on the part of both users. "my answer is better than his, so I don't need to downvote him in order for readers to decide I am the best"
@Programmer Classic Prisoner's dilemma only has two actions: cooperate or defect
 
^^Agreed. I find that breeds unhealthy competition that imho should not belong here
 
12:37 PM
Did you read Freakonomics?
Oh okay, thanks. It's been a while since I read on that topic :)
 
I wonder if people would use this website if there wasn't reputation.
 
Hell no
 
that's bad
 
Well, maybe they would. 4chan has a tech forum and they are completely anonymous.
 
@Kevin lol no
 
12:39 PM
hahaha no
I crave "gamification"
I recently had a codewars obsession too
Oh codewars....I love you
 
@Kevin 4chan users are typically masterbating to ugly C programs.
 
no as in, they're not anonymous? Sure, there's the occasional name-[censored], but those are regarded as abnormal attention seekers.
 
I downvote bad content. I also regularly downvote rep-hunters who answer give-me-teh-codez questions that should really be closed.
 
sidenote: I am a 4chan user
 
@Ffisegydd I'm in a bit of a dilemma because I'm trying to gain rep and for some of the give me the code answers I always try to wait for certain criteria to be met before offering help (not usually dumping answers for the sake of dumping answers)....I feel like I'm in a necessary evil state trying to grow rep...
Perfect example....This is not something I'd write an answer for at all: stackoverflow.com/questions/33038548/…
 
12:43 PM
While I was still accumulating privileges, I made a lot of code-only answers.
 
@idjaw Yeah I was the same when I was making rep up. I should point out that I only downvote bad answers by rep-hunters.
 
The reader may decide for themselves whether the questions were gimmie-teh-code questions
 
If you fire off a really decent answer, even to a GMTC question, I generally leave it be.
But people who will answer with the bare minimum get set on fire.
 
What I find funny/annoying, is I usually comment with a "hey, where is your code?" and I wait...then someone comes in and does a code dump answer... GRR
:P
 
That's why I stopped making comments like "without an [mcve] no one is going to help you" because I would invariably be proven wrong
 
12:46 PM
I'm also absolutely hypocritical because I used to post some shockers trying to get rep.
 
Blabarbl!
 
hahah...A lot of times I had to delete my comment because I felt stupid when a code dump answer was provided.
 
Nowadays I go with "you are less likely to receive help without an [mcve]", which is not falsifiable no matter how many rep hunters dump an answer
Unless OP has magical eyeglasses that can peer into the alternate universe where he did supply an MCVE, and got fewer replies
 
@Kevin I’m not a rep hunter but sometimes I simply answer with a block of code anyway because I can’t be bothered to wait for OP to show what they have.
 
I like to see myself as a rep hunter with some standard :P Not the highest...but enough that I don't feel like showering after every answer
 
12:48 PM
@poke They're taking advantage of the "move over, let me pilot the mouse" instinct that all computer guys have.
 
^^ oh man yes!
haha
 
[insert comic here where the guy is like "you're not going to get a useful google result because you didn't put the search term in QUOTES" and his eyes are on fire]
 
Wish I could take over the mouse of OPs…
 
So you could go to the start menu and select "shut down"? XD
 
haha that reminds me of the IRC answers "yeah...just hit Alt-F4"
 
12:50 PM
haaalp, I am about to spend money on a laptop that I don't need.
 
I hope it’s a Surface Book in which case you do need it.
And if you don’t need it, then give it to me after buying it.
 
No, I don't use Windows
 
aww
 
I have an irrational urge to get a drawing tablet even though I don't draw.
 
:(
 
12:51 PM
Surface Pro is actually quite awesome
 
Then I’m not interested.
 
I bought one for my wife
Surface Pro 3 to be exact
 
@Kevin I use my drawing tablet for photo editing and stuff.
 
@Kevin I had a similar urge and bought a drawing mat thing.
 
last Windows that was worth using was Windows 7
 
12:52 PM
And yeah I use it for annotating pdfs (scrawling notes) and photo editing.
 
I'll probably give in eventually, but I need a little bigger salary before I can brush off impulse buys of that magnitude.
 
I only got a £60 one. Good enough for what I need.
I have a set amount of money budgeted for impulse Amazon purchases.
 
You guys are doing a poor job of strengthening my resolve.
 
I buy books from Amazon, but don't read them because I don't have time
 
^^I do the same thing
it's really bad
 
12:54 PM
I might randomly decide that I am interested in, let's say, reverse engineering, buy a few books and leave them.
 
You guys just need a more cynical worldview. Your new mantra is "I don't need to buy that, because it will inevitably be a disappointment"
 
I also have a Kickstarter slush fund because I'm a closet hipster and occasionally cannot help myself.
 
That's my "everything turns to ash in my mouth" financial model
 
@Kevin “that magnitude”?
 
@Kevin with that, you never buy stuff and you feel like you are losing something.
 
12:55 PM
 
If money was no object I'd have a 4th monitor that was a full-on touch drawing monitor thing.
 
Hey @poke, @JRichardSnape, quick question. I noticed you signed up for the Team pages beta as you're interested in having a sopython team. We were hoping some endemic communities like sopython would do that, so we're very glad you did. We're preparing a follow up post clarifying what kind of groups Teams might be used for (we realize we didn't do a very good job at articulating that in the first post). Do you think we should mention sopython?
 
@ThomasOrozco I'd also like to sign up but the link didn't work from work, I think quite a few people here would get involved.
 
@Ffisegydd Damn. Don't worry though. Anyone that gets in to the beta should be able to invite new team mates
 
@ThomasOrozco I'll defer to the RO's on that... I haven't got a problem with it being mentioned
 
12:57 PM
And yeah I think you'll be fine mentioning sopython, you can link to either here or our website sopython.com
 
@Ffisegydd It's a google form - could BigCorp be blocking those...?
 
@poke Yeah. I'll blow $15 on whatever, but not $150
 
@JRS I assume so.
 
@ThomasOrozco I wouldn’t say you “should” mention sopython, but you can obviously do so if you would like to name an example of a community on SO that also does stuff on the outside.
 
@JRichardSnape Good point
 
12:59 PM
@Kevin @Ffisegydd I have a shopping problem....if it weren't for my wife getting upset at me at buying things I'd be in trouble....I just see something shiny on Amazon and they just make it too damn easy to buy....why are things easy to buy dammit...
 
@poke Sure, I guess that's a polite way of me asking if you'd mind! I'm glad you're curious about Teams (I'm curious to hear what you envision it looking like, too).
 
@idjaw That dreadful one-click button… >_<
 
Not really a problem for me because I'm never on Amazon unless I already know what I want to buy
 
@Thomas No, we/I absolutely don’t mind; we’re an open community anyway :) And as for what I personally envision, I have a good amount of criticism on the idea (which I have voiced in the thread) but I’m curious what we can turn this thing into, that’s why I signed up :)
@Kevin Amazon usually only suggests me to buy things I bought last time anyway…
 
@Ffisegydd Thanks for the link ;). I actually visit sopython.com now and then being a [python] person myself (and the common questions list is something I absolutely wish we could eventually bring to SO proper one day too...)
 
1:02 PM
Same
 
Yeah I'm not quite sure what we'd use it for yet, depends on what functionality is available and how it organically grows.
 
@poke It's horrible...I really had to hold back....My most recent stupidity was pre-purchasing the Fallout 4 Pipboy edition
 
@idjaw that's not stupidity, that's a solid choice.
 
Amazon currently suggests me a large number of identically looking camera reflectors…
 
@Ffisegydd Thanks for the support
 
1:04 PM
If your wife complains, say someone on the internet said it was fine.
 
@poke Thanks! I think that's absolutely valid feedback. We've jumped the gun a little bit on the Team Q&A thing (which is not even going to be in the initial beta), but I'm glad you're willing to give it a try! :)
 
I’m absolutely willing to try it, and I think especially in the beginning there is a lot that we can do to shape it into something worthwhile, so I’d be happy to be part of it then :)
 
@idjaw is it early November or late November release date? I can't quite remember.
 
nov 10
 
@poke We couldn't ask for more! And if you have any ideas suggestions or concerns, you know where to find me! :')
 
1:07 PM
Since you just admitted that you’re a Python guy, I hope I can find you here from now on ;D
 
one of us! one of us! do the needful, one of us!
 
xD
 
@poke Well, today's not the first time I come here! (that's how I knew to find you here :p) I should come more often; though.
 
Omg one month away....
 
:)
 
1:08 PM
What happens in a month?
 
Fallout 4 is released among the masses
 
In one month, it’s only one more month until Christmas…
 
Ooh, I should ask for a tablet.
This will be the year of frivolous tech presents.
 
Have you been naughty or nice this year though Kevin?
 
Little of both
 
1:10 PM
santa is not real, right?
 
Alternatively, deeply naughty if answering SO posts doesn't count as "nice" because of my selfish motives.
St Nicholas was probably real. And you can't prove that he wasn't kidnapped by arctic elves and granted immortality against his will.
 
Does altruism really exist? :p
 
But he probably doesn't literally live at the north pole, because there's no solid ground there for half the year.
 
Unless he's a merman.
 
Is there no solid ground for half the year?
 
1:12 PM
He'd have to be a mer-seal to stay warm enough
 
RIP santa :(
 
@Programmer Discuss. Philosophy 101 due in on Friday, 1500 words
 
I think I am mistaken. There's ice at the north pole all year round, but there's no dirt underneath ever.
 
@JRichardSnape Oh please no. I was a math and CS major for a reason. I can't do essays....please....
 
This is true, there's no "land" there.
 
1:14 PM
Correct Kevin
 
And the ice definitely oscillates in size
 
Well, on that note, I should go to work. @Kevin Thanks for bringing up that rep discussion earlier. I feel a bit more comfortable with my rep hunting logic. :)
 
@Programmer :) me too
 
Oh god, I suffer so much while writing an essay
 
screw essays...and screw multiple choice while I'm at it
 
1:15 PM
I spend 10x the time than anybody else and still get Cs and Bs
 
user559633
 
Once I get past 500 characters, writing becomes like pulling teeth for me
 
I thought I was stupid.
thanks guys
 
user559633
If so, the slides for FFI4WD are here: github.com/tristanfisher/ffi4wd/blob/master/…
 
I'll think of 100 different ways to phrase the sentence I most recently wrote, then go "ah screw it" and just leave it as is.
Decision paralysis abounds.
 
1:20 PM
I just don't understand how people write that many words. I might make the same points as somebody else but I can't squeeze as many words.
 
user559633
Back when I'd have to write often, I'd just make a skeleton and trudge through it, otherwise I'd worry about sentence density, even meter, and picking words with interesting roots.
 
Having requirements for word amount or pages just produces poor work.
 
user559633
@khajvah "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it shorter."
 
I know of at least one blogger that writes 10,000 word posts, and from his own testimony it flows as easily as writing fizzbuzz is for us
"I don't know why others can't just... y'know... do it". Exactly the same viewpoint I had in eighth grade math class.
 
user559633
 
1:22 PM
actual lol
 
lol
 
hahah
 
P+R <3
 
"Is this not rap"? -Ron Swanson
 
Finally finished P&R a week or two ago.
Such an amazing show.
 
1:30 PM
I tried convincing my friend to make a dj roomba
 
That is still my favorite moment.
 
ok....rbrb for real this time....
 
user559633
this is my favorite P&R moment
 
Hooray for poop jokes!
 
1:34 PM
Not one post for Jerry...typical Jerry....
 
Damn it, Larry.
 
"Hot snakes" has unfortunately entered my daily lexicon
 
user559633
Going to go ahead and do a hard cut here
 
Listening...
Reminds me a bit of From Eden.
 
user559633
1:50 PM
I'm looking into using select to handle a non-trivial amount of tcp socket communications (~8000) in a process. In reading the man page and the documentation, it seems as if it's synchronous in that it will handle all read operations, then all write operations, then all wait?
 
But what if you don't want synchronous write?
ex. when one user PMs another, the other 7998 users don't need to be notified.
 
user559633
I don't -- for some reason select is in the "use this for async/more snappy interfaces" part of my brain; I'm wondering if that's wrong
 
I've only ever used socket for this kind of thing, so I wouldn't know
 
hate this web dev stuff
 

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