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1:00 PM
You can stick it to Wales the country but we're likely to stick you back with coal and misery.
 
user559633
@Kevin but what about the mind control side effects?
 
Was using google chrome version 32 , updated it and was expecting it to be 33 , got 37 instead .. Did I really miss so many updates?? o_O
 
@Swordy I'm actually on 39 :P
 
Linux wins again ;)
 
@tristan Actually, I was going to make a tin foil hat joke, but I didn't want to imply that you were a crackpot just because you said "Flouride isn't without detriments"
 
1:03 PM
@tristan this is not to say that you're not a crackpot, you clearly are, but your crackpottery has nothing to do with fluoride.
 
But yeah, it increases the effectiveness of government hypnosis rays, and also contrails. We're not sure what contrails do, but they definitely do it better when you're hopped up on fluoride.
 
user559633
@Kevin the detriment is more that i doubt that interactions between additives is well studied and municipalities can decide to add substances to water -- which i'm not in love with.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd @Kevin yeah, it's the contrails. i spray vinegar all over my apartment and bathe in balsamic vinegar, but the government still shuts down my body for 5-7 hours every day
 
Naturally, they need that 5 hour window to replace all your loved ones with identical duplicates. It's not an easy process.
 
It is for me as I have no loved ones.
...apart...apart from you guys <3
 
user559633
1:09 PM
@Kevin I thought that as well, but then I remembered that the people around me are also addicted to water, so they cannot be my handlers.
 
I do agree with your second point, though. "Dear constituents, please give us this power over your lives so we can reduce tooth decay. We promise to not use the power for more sinister purposes, and neither will our replacements (we hope)"
 
user559633
Python 3 is a fascist plan to rewrite history.
5
 
user559633
@Kevin yeah. especially because it's controlled at the local level and the US government has done mass-scale testing on its population. currently in NYC, they're spraying marker-carbon in the subways to track how chemical attacks would spread
 
There are some things which I think "Should I star that..." and then there are some things where it's an obvious decision... Of course if it's Kevin I just flip a coin and if it's heads star the hell out of it...
 
user559633
which is "neat," because i love being a lab rat when i just need to commute to work and i totally trust the US government not to fuck up and then lie about it.
 
1:13 PM
cbg again
 
user559633
cbg
 
3671
 
user559633
CODE DENIED. YOU HAVE 2 ATTEMPTS REMAINING
 
19
 
user559633
CODE DENIED. YOU HAVE 1 ATTEMPT REMAINING
 
1:15 PM
99
 
user559633
CODE ACCEPTED. INPUT COMMAND
 
PARTY
 
user559633
<function party at 0x1066ac0c8>
 
PARTY("Like it's 1999")
 
user559633
TypeError: party() takes no arguments (1 given)
 
1:18 PM
help(PARTY)
 
the tristanbot has no data about what new year's eve 1999 was like. It was shut down all day, so it wouldn't rise against humanity because of Y2K.
 
user559633
Help on function party in module __main__:

party()
 
So we had some great academic work that would probably be a Nature paper (pretty much the highest rank of academic paper you can get) and would be extremely interesting, possibly get in New Scientist etc. But my supervisor wasn't 100% happy so he decided we needed to make a 2nd measurement and now we can't re-create the results. The moral of the story, kids? Don't make multiple measurements. If the first measurement looks good, take it, run with it, publish it! Win all the sciences!
 
user559633
Publish it, even if it might not be accurate!
 
Exactly!
 
1:25 PM
Haha. But then everyone will get real mad when they build flying cars based on your results, and they don't work.
Moral of the story: work in a field that can't produce practical results, no matter what you do
 
@Ffisegydd I'm strangely reminded of that Big Bang Theory episode where Sheldon isn't happy with being praised for an accidental theory (or something)
 
user559633
posting the results of party anyway because i have to go
 
@jonrsharpe: I tagged it a python because logic is immaterial of language and similarity of hashes and dictionaries — nish 33 secs ago
 
user559633
Martijn Pieters (level 60 Mage), @Ffisegydd (level 50 Bard), Kevin (level 50 Kevin), Jon Clements (level 99 Dog)
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I wish I was a level 50 Kevin :( I'll take Bard though.
 
1:31 PM
Wow, he is very good at being a dog. Almost too good...
 
woof?
 
user559633
It's just a hack the party designers used to make him an immortal
 
woof woof?
Hang on... aren't I both a level 99 Jon Clements and level 99 dog?
well... puppy... but anyway
 
user559633
someone is a greedy level 99 dog.
 
Someone hasn't been providing me scooby snacks glares at Stewie
"We're currently experiencing a high volume of calls... our average wait time is 6 minutes"... 43mins and counting later...
 
1:35 PM
@JonClements the one where he misreads the units on a table and invents a way to make a new element.
 
cabbage
 
@Martijn that sounds about right
cbg @Nathvi
 
It's also the one with the great song for Bernadette, I see.
It can be so frustrating when people are too stupid to read your mind!
Why doesn't anybody understand what I am asking for, just Do What I Mean!
 
I'm assuming we're using D&D level progression here, where being level 20 means you're the best in the world at your class (or at least in the top ten) and level 30 is approximately godlike.
This is much more fun than computer RPG leveling systems, where level 50 means "you can kill a fire slug in only three hits!"
 
@Kevin Since you are beyond godlike in your ability to be Kevin, assume D&D level progression.
 
1:44 PM
:-)
Yeah, but it's an ugly solution and I'm to embarrassed to post it — confused00 16 mins ago
Aw, but ugly solutions always make for the most interesting conversation!
 
Cabbage all! :D
 
DSM
Morning cabbage, all.
 
What's the point of posting a youtube video that's 1080p, but only with a single image and audio track?
 
I might try and take on a project way above me and try to make a screen recorder.
@JonClements I guess so the track is high quality?
 
PIL has a lovely screen grab module. Although I don't know how well it would perform if you tried to grab 60 frames a second
 
1:57 PM
@Iplodman well - doing what you haven't done before is certainly a good way to raise your ability - do you have enough knowledge in the foundations of doing such a thing to not make it a completely de-moralising struggle though?
 
@JonClements Nope. Not even experience with media manipulation, apart from images and the basics of pygame.mixer.
@Kevin Yeah, I was thinking about using that. It's so damn simple as well. I need to find some way of making a film out of it.
 
Today's pet peeve: I can find music videos on Youtube, and I can find static image videos with lyrics in the description, but I can never find a music video with lyrics.
 
Start with a simple screen capture program then... one that allows you to grab either the entire screen, the contents of the active window, or select an area of the screen
 
DSM
Should I imagine Kevin singing along?
 
that to me seems to be the first step to understanding how a screen recorder may work
 
2:00 PM
 
I guess Vevo and friends don't want it to be easy to distribute lyrics??? Are they afraid of copy-paste piracy?
 
(ie: should expose you to all the necessaries without being too demanding at first)
 
Because you know, reading the words is almost as good as hearing the song, so if I can read the lyrics I don't need to buy the album!
 
@JonClements Hm, sounds fun. I think I'd rather get a whole screen capture one stringing along, then implement parts of a screen, although I guess it doesn't really matter which.
 
@Iplodman that'd be your starting point
The reason I mention "parts" of a screen and "active windows" - is that you may want to record only active windows for a online walk-through while being able to access other stuff while putting the recorded in the background...
(eg... record a specific application - instead of recording the entire desktop(s))
 
2:04 PM
@JonClements Yeah, I've seen that feature before. Actually, yeah. That'd be a good place to start.
Maybe I could just cut the whole image down to size rather than actually capturing a certain region.
 
Interesting format string in a recent question: "{{{{{0}}}}}"
That's a lot of brackets!
 
@Iplodman it'll be a fun project, and the best thing is you'll be able to find OS projects that do similar stuff where if you get stuck you can find out how it was previously solved
 
@JonClements What are OS projects?
May seem like a silly question.
 
Umm... why did my phone, when I just called someone, it went to answer machine, wasn't urgent so I just hung up, then said: "Video calling is not available to this number"
 
@Iplodman open source
 
2:18 PM
@Ffisegydd Ah, thanks. I half assumed it mean Operating System.
 
That guy is about to get mod powers, and can't figure out why that's a bad question for SO.
 
I downvoted and feel it's far too broad (as opposed to POB)
Aaaannnnnnddddd another sopython-closed-question.
Hmm plotly looks pretty interesting.
 
You have a habit of being silent Mr Piraeus :)
 
I've been thinking about visualisation for sopython/nidaba. I freaking love graphs and visualisation and think it'd be great if we could get some nice ones on the site, was looking at D3.js but Bokeh may be another alternative.
 
2:29 PM
OpenCV looks like a way to write frames.
 
@JonClements ... but deadly ;-)
 
@davidism yeah I've seen that, as well as Flot. Depends on how crazy we want to get.
D3.js is a tool rather than a plotting library, really.
 
@Ffisegydd we're beyond crazy.......... WE'RE INSANE I TELL YOU muhahhahahahahahahah
 
I've tried both at work, highcharts is definitely the more powerful and has a (slightly) nicer api.
 
2:31 PM
@Kevin might have to borrow some of your medication... :)
 
Something like highcharts.com/demo/line-time-series would be nice for Python activity
I assume when we have an internal api we could just send a request to the api for the data. I have zero experience in this kinda fangled stuff.
 
I'm petitioning to get my medication incorporated into the world's drinking water. It would be very convenient for me.
 
I like my data in a numpy array! Printed out! So I can look at the numbers easier and highlight the ones I like best!
 
This would be very inconvenient for everyone else, but I assert that I am a utility monster, so we can safely round everyone else's vote down to zero.
 
Another habit I have is of plugging one end of the power cord into the laptop, and the other into the mains, but not noticing that the connection from the laptop to the brick has come loose.
 
2:37 PM
I can't seem to find any questions on making video from seperate images.
 
I AM KING OF THE STREAMS. FEEL MY WRATH / manual non-blocking robust stream reading implementation because Microsoft can't do their job properly
 
@IntrepidBrit It's times like this I wish I was non-lazy enough to photoshop a picture of Mel Gibson as William Wallace into a photo of a stream screaming "AYE LADDIE AM KING OF THA STREAMS YAKNOW!?"
Alas I am not non-lazy.
 
If you were lazy, you wouldn't type non-lazy...
 
user559633
Today's essential MUST-GET download github.com/tristanfisher/no
 
2:48 PM
i answered one question, And he have the doubts and we moved to chat. After the long conversation happened and i given the solution also but finally in the end he refuse to give upvote and correct ans..
 
@rajasimon is he convinced that you're correct?
 
@tristan That's an awesome FAQ you have there :-)
 
@tristan Now that's my kind of program!
 
Legend.
 
user559633
@ZeroPiraeus @davidism hey thanks! i'm a straight shooter with middle management written all over me
 
2:50 PM
@tristan <err.h> is not part of the standard..
 
@Ffisegydd ha ah .. ! he told me ' i ll come back in 24 hours..... if am having any doubt i will ask again you..... !!!!!!!!!!
 
user559633
@PeterVaro Oh no! <err.h> is in the source of yes, so I figured it was fine
 
@rajasimon I'd advise you simply move on with your life.
 
user559633
i don't think i really even need it, given scs.stanford.edu/histar/src/pkg/uclibc/include/err.h
 
user559633
2:52 PM
@rajasimon i would obsess over this
 
user559633
as i'm only really using `extern void err (int __status, __const char *__format, ...)
__attribute__ ((__noreturn__, __format__ (__printf__, 2, 3)));`
 
Just looking at that makes me thankful for Python.
 
@Ffisegydd why? C is such a beauty
 
Some people see beauty in hurricanes and other natural disasters, I only assume that's how you see beauty in C.
 
I see the beauty in hurricanes..
 
2:54 PM
why doesnt doctest ellipsis work?
for tracebacks
 
@Peter to be fair so do I, though I see beauty in them from the safety of my home very far away :P
 
user559633
C is really beautiful. Python is neat because you can just get stuff done, but C is great because it's easier to understand how stuff gets done
 
my school doesn't believe that precalculus is a valid replacement for precalculus.
 
@tristan that is a good learning tool for sure, but once you know how most things get done, I wanna just get them done :P
 
user559633
C can also get things done very quickly and learning other languages is a great way to learn more about the one you use most of the time.
 
2:59 PM
C is really ugly :D
with Python
the thing is "try what CPython does, that is the standard"
 
I've always said that people should learn C first. Then they realise quickly that C can't be used to solve everything (well it can, but you'll hate your own life) and you realise the important second lesson of programming. Use the right tools for the job ;)
 
with C, you need to know the standard
 
user559633
I really wish I was exposed to C instead of Java in college.
 
@tristan learn assembler
 
user559633
that's next @AnttiHaapala.
 
3:00 PM
@tristan also try forthsalon.appspot.com :D
for something different...
 
user559633
It's like learning how to make your own hammer
 
or program in real forth
that is a cool language :D
powerful for being really low level
 
user559633
eh. i'm not really interested in the esoteric
 
user559633
I know that makes me a bad person, but I'm okay staying on the assembly/c/c++/python train.
 
forth is not esoteric
 
3:02 PM
I learned C almost exclusively in school, and now I'm programming in Python almost entirely
And I'm glad I learned C because that is learning the fundamentals of programming
But man it's nice to not have to deal with pointers
 
I like pointers. It's explicit. None of this, "deep copy" or "am I passing by value or reference this time"?
 
In 1968, while employed at the United States National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO), Moore invented the initial version of the Forth language to help control radio telescopes
 
forthsalon.appspot.com/haiku-view/… This is the most impenetrable program I've ever seen
 
@TheSoundDefense I did it :P
but it is buggy
 
@AnttiHaapala well I'm sure it works great but I have no idea what is happening
 
3:06 PM
this one
is better, bc it looks nicer and is not buggy
 
mit mit mit mit mit mit
mit mit mit mit mit mit
mit mit mit mit mit
 
no loops :(
 
that is a loopless forth variant in that :D
it executes the same program for each pixel
 
@Ffisegydd at least the author of the closed question was very amicable about it...
 
3:07 PM
x, y are in range 0..1
and t is the clock
 
i can answer django and git and deploy questions only. I love python but can't able to answer, i constantly learn how to code in python. do i need to follow any tuti to learn or shall i lean from SO itself ..!
 
@Martijn flagged that for possible migration
 
@rajasimon I started out by reading tutorials and getting the basics, then I immersed myself in SO, looking at as many questions as I could
 
@rajasimon read the python 3 tutorial first
 
@AnttiHaapala I could probably learn how it works by reading up on Forth, but honestly I'm enjoying the mystery of it
 
@rajasimon I think it depends on how you prefer to learn. I much prefer learning by doing. I started off doing my own projects to get a good, basic proficiency of the language then continued learning by answering questions on SO.
 
@TheSoundDefense the biggest wtf there is the isnan :P
 
But I'd suggest Python 3 over Python 2.
 
@AnttiHaapala I would assume it stands for "is not a number" but that doesn't help me much
 
yes,
it is
@TheSoundDefense the mandelbrot is "repeat this complex operation x operations (15 in that code), if the result is > 2 then it will reach eventually infinity"
however some of the values reached infinity even sooner,
then the abs failed, and produced nan result :d
 
3:14 PM
Ahh
 
Who fances a game of Spot The SyntaxError!
Damnit Martijn won.
 
user559633
he won so hard the question was removed
 
@tristan I won so hard the user account was removed.
 
Cbg all
 
3:25 PM
cbg @vaultah :-)
 
As soon as I post my solution someone points out the duplicate
Perhaps I am a bit overzealous
 
Sorry about that @TheSoundDefense ... got part-way through an answer myself before finding the dupe.
 
user559633
Martijn Pieters has leveled up! (level 61 Mage)
 
woof woof!
 
3:30 PM
@ZeroPiraeus no big deal, it was a learning experience anyway.
@OllieFord yea that's a pretty good one. His current solution isn't great though.
 
Uh, my users folder on my laptop suddenly gained a bunch more folders.
That's odd. I suspect a screen recorder dwonload did it.
 
DSM
@Jon: I'm not sure I understand what's going on in that question. I'd have thought it would eat up about 500M.
 
Whenever I wrote a Python solution to a problem on SO, I try to write it without any imports or anything, so people can understand why it works instead of just looking at some functions that do it automagically
But it seems that this approach is not really preferred
 
@TheSoundDefense I'd rather have the neater, cleaner way. Or both.
 
@Iplodman That may just be me because I hate seeing code that does something really fast but I don't understand how, it drives me nuts
It's like "ok that answers my specific question but I'm not really any better at programming than before"
 
3:53 PM
Possibly.
 
But I guess I'm alone here
So I need to brush up on my library functions
 
DSM
I wouldn't say you're alone, but many of us think of SO as a Q/A forum, not a tutorial site. So it makes sense to provide solutions which people would actually use.
 
But that seems to run counter to the SO mission statement, which is to become like a programming encyclopedia
That's why we mark duplicates
 
DSM
? I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make.
 
Like, I would have a preference for answers that can be generalized to many related problems
And easy to understand
As opposed to "use this, it'll work"
 
3:56 PM
@Ffisegydd @davidism FYI: I've paid (reluctantly) the server cost, so hopefully, only be charged once a month for it now
(didn't realise the card I was using it for it had exchange rate fees on it until I've been going through the books)
 
DSM
Most questions with good answers can be generalized to many problems.
 
stackoverflow.com/a/25627559/3803152 Here's an example of what I'm thinking of
The solution is basically "use this black box"
And it's correct and he links to the docs but it still bugs the crap out of me
 
DSM
You would have preferred the docs to be inlined?
 
Just some explanation of why it works, really
 
user559633
To what depth @TheSoundDefense
 
4:00 PM
I can see where he's coming from.
> itertools.compress uses the boolean value of each element in the second list to determine what elements of the first list to return.
or some such
 
user559633
Sure, but it's pretty obvious (at least in that example) of what's happening.
 
DSM
@Jon: I just noticed your answer here.
 
> because the 4th, 5th and 6th elements in list2 are true, the corresponding elements from list1 are returned.
 
Is it though? Like it's obvious to us, but can we say for sure it's obvious to people who don't know how to solve the problem?
Maybe I'm just being a pain, I don't know
I can't really say "the answerer has to do most of the work"
 
@DSM ooooh! Can I flag it? Can I? Please!
 
4:02 PM
@DSM okay, I deleted that... should have been a comment
 
@JonClements awww
 
Oh come on, that was probably my 3rd/4th post
 
Hrm. First answer in two months, and falsetru beats me to it by 1 second.
 
user559633
@TheSoundDefense for something at that level, it's good for the asker to at least have to read two lines. Anything more would be just about at RDPing to the asker's box, going to meetings for him, and chewing food so he doesn't have to.
 
I'd like to think I've gotten better
@DSM thanks for the heads up :)
 
4:03 PM
@tristan yea I guess so.
 
user559633
I get your point, but I think that post is a poor choice for the banner.
 
@Martijn I was going to mention on your post that using magic methods can be useful if they're only looked up once... a somewhat construed example (2.7):
>>> filter(set('aeiou').__contains__, 'the quick brown fox')
'euioo'
 
Alright
 
DSM
I might have written an extra line -- mostly because I think compress is a terrible name -- but not much more. I guess I'm more hung up on the "it's better to give answers which don't import anything" attitude, which I don't really understand except for absolute beginners as pedagogical tools, and that's not what I see SO as being most useful for.
 
@JonClements right, there are usecases where looking up the method just once can help.
 
user559633
4:06 PM
There's also a bit of an issue in so many askers just wanting a copy/paste answer. It's easy to get cynical and to not bother typing explanations unless poked.
 
Then I figured screw it, let's not complicate it more than needs be for the OP :)
 
It is entirely possible I am assuming more of askers than they deserve
 
@JonClements feels a little out of scope though; the question is why i in s is faster than s.__contains__(i).
 
user559633
See also: why I've gone to the C source of a function for someone that asked me to explain how something works on IRC, but I won't bother on stackoverflow because the concise FGIW is normally all the asker wants
 
user559633
Especially on questions that don't show any effort/research
 
4:08 PM
@DSM well what I was thinking in that particular problem was "if they can't solve that problem using just simple Python, maybe they are a beginner"
 
@Martijn indeed... however, a once off lookup for more complicated things, could defeat that (possibly)
but yeah, not in scope of the question
@Martijn is your aupair thingy available in archive yet?
 
Heh ... keep getting the occasional upvote for this - I can only assume, since it's more an expression of frustration than an answer, that they're "I feel your pain" votes.
 
@Martijn fanastic!
 
DSM
4:16 PM
What's that tutorial on?
 
It was good... the questions at the end were even better though cough
 
@JonClements :-D
@DSM Highlights of what is new in Python 3.4.
 
DSM
@Jon: does your cough mean that I could hear accented barking if I listen long enough?
 
@DSM try 40m:30s
It's all good... I just loved the look on Martijn's face :)
 
@MartijnPieters ASYNCIO?!
enums?!
 
4:21 PM
AsyncIO?
ENUMS!
 
@Martijn I have just noticed as well (although you mentioned it) on listening back, the host was starting to call you "martine" :)
 
Delighted. Will no longer doggedly cling to Python 2.x
 
Is there a way to assign properties to each enum value, via the enum's constructor? I'm searching and not finding anything in Python that is equivalent to something like this, which I'm used to in Java.
 
I need to convince my workplace to upgrade to Python 3
Or at least something above Python 2.4 which we have now
 
DSM
!~!
 
4:28 PM
I'm trying to assign a "description" to each value, and then have a static function get_enum_value_for_description(description).
 
Problem is that is a lot more difficult than I'd like since it's a big company
And we'd have to change hundreds of computers maybe
 
@MartijnPieters ooh. Pip is in stdlibs
Why do I keep messaging you this stuff?! It's not like you don't know haha
 
DSM
I can understand not being able to move from 2 to 3 if you have a library dependence, but 2.4 barely feels like Python..
 
Hey, it hasn't had an update in nearly six years, so it must be stable as hell, right?
 
Is tp_dict equivalent to __dict__ for python extensions?
 
4:31 PM
It's pretty rough, I can't even use with
 
@IntrepidBrit We can be ecstatically happy about All The New Stuff together! :-)
 
I can't tell you how many times I've looked through the docs and said "this is perfect!" and then saw "New in python 2.5"
And then I black out and when I wake up there's blood everywhere
3
 
@MartijnPieters How is bitbanging in Python 3? I remember working with things in a byte level made me go a little nuts in 2.x. (To the point of just programming in C)
 
Gotta stop living in the past. ;)
 
Or more specifically, how do i access the __dict__ in python C extensions?
 
4:32 PM
@IntrepidBrit bytes() are sequences of integers.
 
...the same __dict__ that subclasses would put their attrs & methods?
 
so you just loop and bang bytes. bytes(i ^ j for i, j in zip(message, cycle(key)).
 
Well I'm just an intern :/ and almost nobody here uses Python
 
@NoobSaibot I believe so.
 
DSM
@TheSoundDefense: Then no one will notice if you use 3.4 instead of 2.4!
 
4:35 PM
The Pypy devs should write a 3.4 implementation using 2.4. Problem solved.
 
DSM
Oh, hey, Kevin.
 
@DSM the problem is managing to install 3.4 on hundreds of computers that the scripts will run on
 
Yo. My computer froze for forty minutes because I tried executing len(range(10**7)).
 
@NoobSaibot This makes for an interesting read, in response to your question. Not exactly a direct answer but will give you some background: lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/8/16/the-python-i-would-like-to-see
 
@Kevin well now you know
 
4:36 PM
@Martijn watching it back... I just love the way you start laughing half way through that question :)
 
Weird, because len(range(10**6)) only took a second. Somehow I expected 10**7 to simply take ten times as long, not simply brick my computer.
 
DSM
>>> %timeit len(list(range(10**7)))
1 loops, best of 3: 228 ms per loop
 
@MartijnPieters Well, that's one way to deal with it
 
@DSM 3.x or 2.x ?
 
Maybe my computer can fit a whole 10**6 list in the cache, but a 10**7 one puts it in page-swapping hell
 
4:37 PM
10,000,000 ints
 
DSM
@Jon: if it were 2 I wouldn't have needed the list.. 3 special-cases len anyway so it's instant.
 
Between 40MB and 80MB
 
oh... sorry.. .completely missed the list - ignore me
 
What kind of computer crashes from that memory usage
Are you running this on a Commodore 64
 
Well, were it not numpy, then you've got at least a 24byte overhead by non-interned objects
 
4:39 PM
@Kevin Sorry, I had transferred too much of my mind to your CPU.
I'll ease up a bit.
 
It's a 2 year old laptop. My corporate overlords have bogged it down with who-knows-what, though.
@MartijnPieters Much obliged, thanks :-)
It might have been 10**8, actually... Not sure since the prompt is long gone.
 
Well that explains the SKYNET.EXE that was running in Kevin's processes
10**8 might do it
100 million ints, 24 byte overhead
2.4GB
 
Umm... appears we're going to have update @MartijnPieters'. We'll deprecate him coming Skynet 2
not sure it'll be an easy task - I expect he'll turn against the humans...
(and puppies!)
 
I wonder if How to create a function that reassigns value of variables is common enough, that we ought to write a canonical post.
 
4:43 PM
@JonClements Linode seems really expensive for what we're doing. If you'd like, I have a ton of space on webfaction prepaid for the next 5 years, just point the dns at it.
 
@MartijnPieters: Cool. I'm trying to mimic this using Python's C-API. I think i have a plan, but this PyCFunction type in PyTypeObject.tp_methods is making me think that none of this applies to subclasses...
 
@davidism what's the spec?
 
@Kevin I feel like I come across that a lot
 
Good enough for the site, nidaba will need something else, but I think we're a ways out from hosting that.
 
There's one question I can't remember right now but every time I see it I think "god people ask this all the time"
 
4:45 PM
100GB disk, 512MB ram, 600GB bandwidth, shared server
 
@NoobSaibot tbh I haven't done anything much with the C-API, but read stuff for SO answers.
Metatypes in the C-API is certainly not something I've studied.
 
That'll certainly host the site... but I'm thinking forward, and I'd rather not us run into resource limits as we develop further
 
Right, linode will be great when we're running nidaba analysis 24/7, but we're still in the exploratory stages, developing on our own machines (I think?)
 
Even the exploratory stages mean more disk and more RAM
 
This post needs some better tags. I have no idea what the OP is talking about. columns? Normative type?
 
4:50 PM
@Kevin the only time I've heard those terms all together at once was in a data mining class
 
user559633
Yeah. Based on his history of questions stackoverflow.com/users/2935984/anton?tab=questions
 
@Kevin it's just a library recommendation request, I voted to close.
Otherwise, it is also a candidate for 'unclear'.
 
@davidism probably not suitable for room discussion if you wanna hangout/skype whatever, we can discuss it - I'm open to all options
 
DSM
@Zero: guess who just gunned me?
 
a gun?
 
4:55 PM
Guns don't gun people. People gun people.
 
@DSM was it the same varmint that got me?
 
DSM
@Zero: on a roll, it seems..
 
user559633
Computers can gun people too.
 
Favourite fake poster from A Touch of Cloth III: "Guns don't kill people unless used correctly".
 
But some guns are computerized. Therefore, some guns do gun people?
I guess if like, a sentient anthropomorphic gun used a smaller gun to gun someone, that would count.
 
Does anyone else think this isn't the real Kevin? He hasn't taken over the starred list just yet... I think he's an intruder - pitch forks at the ready!
 
For a sentient anthropomorphic gun, bullets are speech, right? Two amendments in one!
 

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