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7:00 PM
hmm..
 
@Ffisegydd But you would probably be charged twice for it
 
I was just sitting on the bus, get back from shopping for the weekend..
 
But the pizza man would argue, "since my jacket has the same insignia as the one on this box, surely its contents are mine to eat"
 
cbg @PeterVaro
 
Unless he forgot about the principles of ownership and property. Hard to say.
 
7:01 PM
But what if you forget what pizza is?
 
and then I had this strange thought after watching teenagers: Hey, I used to laugh that much as they do now, when I was at their age -- what have just happened?
 
It's really not clear exactly how much you forget.
 
and then I looked around, and all of us (adults) are sit there, with our sad faces..
 
Do your very cells forget how to split and multiply!?
 
why are we forgetting how to laugh? why is it necessary, that we grow up, and be a "serious" men?
cbg @Humdinger
 
7:04 PM
@PeterVaro I have often wondered this. Often I see adults laughing at trivial things, or acting "childish" and I think, "grow up". But then I think, wait, who is in the wrong, them or me?
 
actually I miss all that laugh
 
We all have to grow old, but we don't all have to grow up.
 
making fun of myself, making fun of others..
 
Obligatory:
 
7:06 PM
lol
 
@Ffisegydd I always thought that -- but eventually I became more "sad" / "serious" over time
I thought I will never loose the "mad" side of me.. but it looks like I just did
 
@PeterVaro Ah, come on, too old to be crazy or what? :)
 
nah.. I'm 28, I don't think I'm that old..
 
Lets do something "mad" right now :).
 
like what?
let's hack SO ;)
 
7:11 PM
Why not fafsa.gov?
 
I don't know what that is, so I have to check that
 
federal student aid website. The one you are required to fill out as a college student
 
@Humdinger let's do that -- I don't care -- we are free, we are mad, yeeaaahhh
 
lol
 
@Peter let's make some hot chocolate, put on a nice warm dressing gown and slippers, and listen to The Archers?
/me knows how to PAAARRRTTYYYYY
 
7:13 PM
@JonClements now is not the time for that, grandpa
 
you young whipper snappers are all the same... blah blah blah :)
 
:D:D:D:D
 
DSM
@Jon: butter.
 
@DSM is that in context of the naan?
 
DSM
@Jon: huh? I just like butter.
 
7:15 PM
anyway... I think it's time to eat some nice toasts, with smoked cheese and ham and potato with Heinz baked beans -- sounds like a delicious dinner (breakfast for me -- silly biological clock) ;)
@DSM we all do, we all do
@Kevin I think you were wrong, or at least about eurasia -- the III. WW is coming
probably you were right about the US -- but we'll see
 
:-(
 
dinner time for me
Rhubarb all!
 
@MartijnPieters rbrb && bon_appetit
 
I'm off... Pleasant weekend, all
 
you too, mate, rhubarb
I'm off too, bbl ~
 
7:25 PM
Only had to override 3 classes this semester
 
Override?
 
like when a course requires another course, so you have to explicitly override to prerequisite to enter the class
 
heya @Frumples
 
This sounds like @Kevin 's kind of riddle: wondermark.com/1k57
 
hello
 
7:32 PM
Cabbage @TechDude
 
Does Betteridge's law of headlines apply to SO posts?
 
No.
 
Is it ok to link a question on here?
 
:-D
 
Python-related on SO
 
7:34 PM
@TechDude is it older than a day or two?
 
No
From today
Still no answers
And still unable to figure it out.
 
1 message moved to Trash
Please see posting rule 1 here: sopython.com/pages/chatroom
You're welcome to ask for help, but please be patient with regards to main site questions.
 
OK
Is it ok if I discuss the same topic here in the room?
 
Sure, if someone around wants to help, they will.
 
@TechDude Your code is rather long. Have you tried to simplify it as much as possible, so it demonstrates your issue on just a few lines of code?
 
7:38 PM
That question is pretty complex.
 
It is a shell
I was worried other parts of the code might have to do with the problem.
I can't quite pinpoint. I'm allowing that port on my server and client, so that can't be the problem.
 
You should isolate the problem and create sscce.org .
 
What are you actually trying to do?
 
@TechDude You have two options. Start removing stuff until your problem goes away. Write it over again until your problem starts
 
7:42 PM
I have several client's computers which I update from time to time, typically via RDP. However, that is cumbersome and I've always read that Python makes it easier.
So I found this shell code which supposedly allows you to issue commands.
 
Python makes everything easier
 
Why are you using a keylogger to do it? the first google result has "keylogger" "stealth" and "screenshot" technicdynamic.com/?p=896
I suggest looking at Fabric if you only care about simple commands over SSH.
 
Wrong link. This is the correct tutorial: technicdynamic.com/?p=884
 
cbg
 
Not much better when the title says "backdoor"
 
7:44 PM
Simple commands like Windows updates?
 
Windows does not use SSH
 
@TechDude So you basically want clients connected to server, which would run whatever you issue?
 
Yes, instead of having to RDP.
Ultimately, I'd like to automate it for the machines I run, but I'd like to get comfortable doing it one computer at a time.
So I only want to be able to connect to one client at a time for the meantime.
 
Try Ansible or Puppet
Ansible now has Windows support: docs.ansible.com/intro_windows.html
 
If you want to do that yourself, I guess you can do it by about 10 Python lines on client and server. But that also would be insecure as hell. I would recommend using something already done with correct encryption.
 
7:49 PM
I have even been trying these 10 Python line code clients/servers, but I can't even get those to work.
I always see the client from the server, but the problem is establishing the connection to the client.
That's when things go awry.
It seems that Ansible requires PowerShell?
Powershell on the client machine, that is
 
looks like it
 
If I'm using a security key, why would that be insecure?
How is that much different than any other server?
 
If I hack it I can issue any command to your computers, right?
 
Or RDP for that matter?
 
Because you're doing it yourself, and will probably make a mistake. Security is hard and in many cases non-obvious.
 
7:52 PM
I agree.
However, I do manage some servers and these computers, and I haven't noticed any issues yet.
I admit I am quite weak in terms of securing servers, but so far so good.
I've just been doing lots of reading to try to make sure.
 
Oh, well in that case they're completely secure and nothing will ever happen. /s
 
So would you like to play with Python client/server or do remote PC administration?
 
Seriously, there are many tools already available for IT automation which are more secure and powerful than any short script you'll find or write.
 
@davidism :-D
 
Yeah, I want to do it with a small Python script.
What I've read about Python amazes me.
I've been meaning to learn some other languages, but I've put those on hold for Python
Truly impressive language
I can't argue other scripts will be more secure and powerful, but I just need something simple.
There's anohter one I found earlier--SysCon--but it seems to have a lot more than what I need for the foreseeable future.
 
7:56 PM
So if your goal is to play with client/server, sure, fine. But we all are warning you to do anything serious with it. "I admit I am quite weak in terms of securing servers, but so far so good." is really lighting all the red lights over here.
 
How else can I learn ecept through trying?
I keep all unused ports closed amongst other things.
And of course I'll keep it password protected with brute force protection.
I'm not THAT terrible in security.
I"m just nowhere near #1
 
The first rule of learning security is: don't do your learning anywhere near anything important.
 
Just write a chat or something first if you would like to do some server/client.
 
The second rule of learning crypto is: don't tell anyone the rules of crypto
 
The third rule probably has something to do with not crossing the streams.
 
8:04 PM
:-D
 
@Noelkd nice...
 
:'(
 
knock knock
 
Who is there?
 
"boo"
 
8:08 PM
Boo who?
 
cbg @boo
 
Dont cry, its only a joke...
@ZeroPiraeus +1
 
:-D
 
thats going to be my new response everytime a kid comes up with some knock knock joke
"cabbage at {name}"
 
@TechDude So, I would start with some simple client/server TCP/IP chat first and go from there. It is going to be much easier to debug and also write a question about it if necessary.
 
8:22 PM
@tristan's clone!?
 
DSM
Hmm. Interested in some of the same issues, although more fond of exclamation marks than our version is.
 
I prefer the clone to the original. Not for any particular reason.
I propose that we refer to Keen as the original from now on and @tristan as the filthy, unwanted clone.
 
DSM
Let the record show -- because I may have questions for him, and I'm self-interested like that -- that I support the original @tristan!
 
@Ffisegydd I am not sure about that. Keen uses scheme, racket, and visual basic cringes
 
9:15 PM
someone recommend me a game
 
@corvid genre?
 
I like RPG and adventure, preferably darker
 
Crusader Kings 2
 
Dark Souls II if your PC will play it
Dead Space games
Fallout III or Las Vegas
 
@DS2 is on offer on steam IIRC
 
9:20 PM
swtor
 
I'm not sure why but I never liked new vegas too much
 
Dark Souls is meant to be very good but very difficult.
 
very difficult is good, I kinda like the 1998-2006 period of games
 
Dark Souls II you will die. Repeatedly.
It's proper brutal.
But in a good way.
 
that's good, easy things are always boring
 
9:28 PM
from 2002, one of my favorites was Dungeon Seige
What version number does one give a pre-release of a 2.0?
normally a pre-released 1.0 is 0.X.
 
DSM
I think most people actually use 2.0-prerelease or 2.0-rc as the prefix and then the subversion as suffix if it really is a prerelease and not just 1.9.9-123-g4b45ea0 or something.
 
9:43 PM
that sad moment when habeneros are no longer spicy... and no food store seems to sell anything spicier
 
10:17 PM
Help!
 
Hi! I need a native speaker of English. When you draw a line with small segments (--- In Matlab: plot(x,y,'--')) you call it "dashed line". Now, when the line is normal (continuous, full. In Matlab: plot(x,y,'-') or just plot(x,y)), what is it called? Solid, right? Can someone please confirm?
 
Yep, solid is fine.
 
@LuisMendo Hey
Wanna be friends?
 
Thanks! In Spanish it's called "continuous", hence my doubt
 
Solid works a lot better in English
 
@Humdinger Really..
 
@PsychOPhobiA what?
 
@ZeroPiraeus I see. Thanks!
 
@Humdinger "Solid works a lot better in English" why you have to be like that man...
 
I am just confirming that solid is a much better noun than continuous in English...
to describe that line
 
10:28 PM
@Humdinger adjective ;-P
 
>.<
wow I fail at english
 
@Humdinger I must have used "solid" a hundred times, but now somehow I wasn't sure :-)
 
Unpossible, right? ;-)
 
I guess you can ignore my opinion :p
@LuisMendo That happens. Describing things in a secondary language is confusing because phrases dont always literally translate well
I understand
@PsychOPhobiA did you still need help? : PsychO, "Help!"
 
@Humdinger Nice comeback ^
 
10:34 PM
@Humdinger In spoken language I would have used "solid" without a second thought. But I'm finishing a paper and you kind of get "stiff", if you know what I mean. You want everything to sound right
 
@LuisMendo I even do that with english, my native language, so yes, I know what you mean
anyways, im out for the weekend. rbrb all
 
DSM
rhubarb
 
@LuisMendo I know exactly what you mean ... my spoken Spanish is quite fluid - full of mistakes, but perfectly understandable. When I have to write something important I get much more cautious.
 
@ZeroPiraeus ...especially if it's a technical paper! :-)
 
evening cabbage
been a long while since I found time for SO... but I've come across this python3 feature which is annoying me somewhat...
and it's this: if a python3 source file is declared as utf-8 encoding, why does it accept latin-1 encoded literal strings?
instead of complaining about a non utf-8 character?
# -*- encoding: utf-8 -*-
literal = 'a\xff'
 
10:50 PM
Tried playing fallout new vegas. Started the game as always, putting on "sexy nightgown", getting the straight edge razer and destroying the first town. Why aren't I winning?
 
Bye, and thanks! @ZeroPiraeus @Humdinger
 
print(literal)
gives 'aÿ'
-> so 'a\xff' was decoded as latin-1
 
@isedev It wasn't - strings in Python 3 are unicode, and U+00FF is ÿ.
 
oh bugger... that's so damned obvious I flew right past it :)
I've been head scratching a good hour on that too !
thx
 
11:07 PM
Also: "Files using ASCII (in Python 2) or UTF-8 (in Python 3) should not have an encoding declaration" — PEP8.
 
yeah, the source I am looking at right now deals with internationalisation... actually really is encoded in UTF-8.
just keep forgetting \x, \u and \U are unicode escapes
not byte representations prior to decoding
 
You still don't need the declaration - without one, Py3k will assume it's UTF8.
 
that's true as well :)
ain't my code... though I'll make sure to point that out too now :)
lol, just noticed the header is wrong anyway... 'encoding' not 'coding'
 
I don't think that matters ... the parser is pretty forgiving IIRC.
 
DSM
11:30 PM
Okay, that's as much Java as a Python programmer should have to do in one day.
*drops mike*
Peace out!
 

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