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9:00 PM
@Ffisegydd Probably not - but if they're going to try to "security audit" - I'd say that's an "attack" - with records we can show they've considered to DoS SO in the past... they don't deserve an account
 
DSM
We all have our issues to work through. It puts other people in an awkward position if you insist on working them out in public, however.
Hopefully this is just a phase, and he'll grow out of it.
 
@DSM until then, I'd rather he not have access to this room
 
DSM
Whatever happened with your ban powers?
Did that motion pass, or whatever?
 
Nope
 
DSM
Huh. I find that surprising. The power was modest and the upvotes were plentiful.
 
9:03 PM
Anyway, I raised a flag... give that a few days no doubt :)
 
If only you hadn't come 7th...
 
DSM
Heh. Callback!
 
@Ffisegydd oh well...
 
Next year is your year.
I can feel it in my bones.
 
@Ffisegydd only if I'm going to have the time
otherwise, I might not do so next year
 
9:11 PM
I had a simple script installed that looks for failed login attempts on SSH.
Then adds the IP address to iptables.
or some such.
But since I moved the SSH server to a non-standard port that has not had as much traffic.
 
fail2ban
 
check.
That's the one.
 
hey, it's written in python :)
 
although I also used to have one that did just ssh.
denyhosts.
That builds a pretty comprehensive /etc/hosts.deny file.
 
@Martijn have blocked two ips on the ipchain... seems to have kept the traffic down - not that there was much of it to start with tbh :)
 
9:19 PM
yeah, not complaining, but the current plan is a bit overkill for the site right now :)
at that rate we could have, like, 5 whole security testers working at the same time ;)
 
long enough for ROs to see and access the deleted message
Anyway... time for sleep... rbrb
 
@aliteralmind just a quick note, this: python django-admin.py startproject mysite isnt supposed to work. Once you call python, the next argument will not use your PATH. Only the very first command is relative to your PATH.
 
How on earth have I only just seen -- for the first time -- A Fish Called Wanda?!
I didn't realise Cleese had done anything with any of the others afterwards
(this as at least pseudo-on-topic)
 
9:36 PM
@OllieFord If it makes you feel any better, I dont even know what A fish called wanda is
 
@Humdinger Only if you know what is (and are a fan of) Monty Python, and Fawlty Towers?
 
@OllieFord I know what MontyPython is and did a couple of their skits in high school. Buts that 's about the extent of it
 
@OllieFord yesterday you wrote a comment about a git site wanting your ssh key
they probably just wanted your public key, that is okay
 
@GlassGhost I saw your comment and was going to reply, but decided it too long ago. Thanks. I actually wasn't concerned about security - I was remarking on the UX. It assured me they'd "walk me through" the process, and then all it did was say "do it" (and help pages contained info on errors only). Thanks though.
 
cbg
isn't a linter supposed to highlight syntax errors?
 
9:47 PM
@Vader not necessarily. "Common pitfals" or syntactically correct, yet bad code, yes.
In computer programming, lint was the name originally given to a particular program that flagged some suspicious and non-portable constructs (likely to be bugs) in C language source code. The term is now applied generically to tools that flag suspicious usage in software written in any computer language. The term lint-like behavior is sometimes applied to the process of flagging suspicious language usage. Lint-like tools generally perform static analysis of source code. Lint as a term can also refer more broadly to syntactic discrepancies in general, especially in interpreted languages like...
 
hmm, okay. Sublime text is acting up again, Yey troubleshooting
 
Swap to PyCharm :)
 
already downloaded it out of frustration
 
Well done my friend
You will look back at this moment in a couple months and be incredibly grateful that sublime was acting up
 
but it starts soo fast
 
9:51 PM
lol
 
I will still try to fix sublime
 
Thats like saying Windows 8 is the best Operating system because it has the fastest start up time
 
hardly, that's the opposite
 
sorry I typed that wrong
fixed
 
well, it is one thing pycharm doesn't have
 
9:53 PM
On topic of sublime - has anyone used GAE dev server as a build system?
 
pycharm is an IDE
subl is a notepad replacement
 
you could just use vim. Fastest of them all :p
 
on windows I only get Gvim right?
 
umm.. I dont know a windows equivalent. But there is notepad++
I personally love the features an IDE offers. I will never go back to non-IDE world
 
yeah but still i need a better notepad for other stuff
 
9:56 PM
@Vader Yeah only gvim on Windows
 
Whats wrong with windows standard notepad? (Dripping with heavy sarcasm)
 
even gedit is better
idk why notepad is just what it is
 
Actually Wordpad annoys me more than Notepad..
 
I have heard great things about atom. Apparently there is a way to install it on windows: chocolatey.org/packages/atom
 
how come sublime hasn't seen an update since late 2013
 
10:03 PM
They are working on Version 3
 
yes, I am talking about 3
7 months
 
Atom is better than sublime, imo.
 
You must be looking at stables
 
still not sure what atom is
 
"Build 3062
Release Date: 5 May 2014"
 
10:05 PM
I will try atom
thanks @Crowz
 
Atom isn't very much different than sublime, really, just a few of the smaller details are a little more... right. Like when you create a new file you can name it right away
 
but it's free
atom has a nicer webiste
not a deal breaker/maker, but a nice touch
 
Its made by the same people who made github
 
oh, nice
there sure are a lot of people in this room
 
user559633
10:21 PM
i'm calling my unpacked struct "reheated_message" and there's nothing you can do to stop me ah ha ha ha ha
 
@corvid That pisses me off so much in subl!
Usually the first thing I'm thinking about when I create a new file is not what it contains, but what it is. That, and, before I give it a name (extension), there's no highlighting..
 
DSM
Time to escape. Rhubarb to all!
 
10:40 PM
@OllieFord have you used Atom? It provides a nicer interface for that task
 
@corvid I'm bound to give it a shot now you've said! Trying to learn vim (well, vi) atm.
 
vim is okay if you get good at it, just imo not worth the effort. You can download the Janus extension for vim to get a lot of the advanced features
 
After using it only very briefly, I have found myself annoyed at repetitive actions in subl (or any visual) or just generally not being able to manipulate text like in 'normal' mode.
But then when I use vim, I'm not good enough that it doesn't annoy me for other reasons - I find it jarringly fast. It disrupts my train of thought because I get one thing done so much quicker than I'm used to, that my next process isn't yet in my brain's ready buffer.
And then I'm too busy thinking about how quick that was to be thinking about anything else, and by that point I've completely forgotten what was going to come after def foo():
 
psh, I've just found atom to be the most intuitive
 
does atom have the minimap?
it doesn't seems to exist out of the box
no smooth scrolling either it seems
@PeterVaro are you here
 
10:49 PM
@Kevin's list.append(Calvary)
@Vader for a few more minutes, yes
 
do you use atom?
or still subl?
 
nah, I hate that one -- yes Sublime, still
 
I see
that's all
thanks
 
;)
you see, I tried Atom, just for curiosity, but 1) you cannot compare the smoothness of ST to Atom -- the latter is just awful in that 2) I hate copy-cats, especially when it is a cheap-copy not a quality one
 
it's not too bad
maybe it's great, I actually have no idea
 
10:53 PM
why don't you join the beta?
 
what beta?
atom or subl?
 
I thought about Atom, but I just saw it is officially released
(btw ST3 Nightly Build Beta's are awesome -- but you have to have a license for them)
 
there are just a few tiny little details on sublime that are unusually annoying
 
@corvid why did you change your nick?
 
these crows outside are creeping me out
 
10:57 PM
you should rollback to crowz
@PeterVaro I just finally bought sublime
hopefully the nightly builds are better
 
@Vader haven't you tried them?
 
nope
I have beein using the 3059 build so far
 
I thought it was dead
but it's not
so that's good
 
11:01 PM
does sublime have background transparency yet?
 
@corvid I don't think so
 
eww
who wants that, eww
 
I do, it's awesome for smaller screens like a laptop
 
why would you need that for? I mean, you are the one who keep saying, you can't focus ;)
 
hmm but what do you need to see behind it?
 
11:02 PM
for text editing though?
 
documentation, like always
 
meh, that woudln't work
 
oh actually that sounds neat
 
hard to see the text over the other text
 
if the font size of your code was small enough, and you write spacey code
 
11:03 PM
yeah it's weird at first, but in a while your eyes adjust to reading two layers of text
 
@corvid hmm, might try that
 
There must be a transparent bg plugin for subl?
 
well I mean, it's not great for if you're reading something in detail, but if you have an example up of something you want to do and don't want to constantly refer back to it
 
@corvid are you using windows?
 
nah, I usually use ubuntu for programming. Buying a macbook pro next week though
 
11:05 PM
are you going to install ubuntu on it?
 
o_O
 
nah, Mac OS X is my favorite operating system tbh
 
Kubuntu is the best. Nothing better than Qt
 
it's like linux with a smoother interface
 
I'm really liking Yosemite so far
pretty buggy, occasionally crashes out to the point of requiring a reboot, but I much prefer the 'flat' UI
 
11:07 PM
do you want transparency like this?
 
never used it
 
it's like xfce with Apple $$ spent on it
 
If your using windows you can achieve transparency with Dexpot
 
^^ magic isn't it
that's how I am doing it
 
Afloat on OS X
 
11:08 PM
you ruined all the fun @Humdinger ;P
 
Dexpot is pretty awesome
 
I can have transparent windows anytime I want by pressing down Meta and scrolling the mouse... Built-in feature in KDE.
 
@OllieFord It does look very nice, but I still hate MAC :p
@OlehPrypin Thats what I am saying, KDE all the way
 
windows all the way
 
Ok I will be honest
I use windows
It is the portal to my Linux VM
 
11:10 PM
@Humdinger I used to hate on OS X so bad, but I've always like the hardware. I gave in, couldn't find a solid alternative to Macbook Air, used it to TeamViewer into Win8 for a while, OS X kinda grew on me
 
@OllieFord what about recent lenovos?
 
Uhh... Quite frankly, I want upvotes here:
http://stackoverflow.com/q/25068538
I've put way too much work into that answer for it to stay at 0 :|
 
yeah apple makes good laptops, not so sure about the OS though, I feel like you can't access the program files without some DRM getting in your way
 
Sorry and thanks :D
 
$10
 
11:11 PM
@OlehPrypin There's code and pics and shit. Good enough for my +1. ;)
 
@OlehPrypin Honestly, I didnt even read it, but I upvoted for the sake of how awesome it looks
 
ikr
 
I second that vader
I have always had trouble doing advanced things in OS X
 
I hate how I can't just drag music onto my ipod
why can't it just be a folder
 
DRM
And also, they want to keep you in iTunes, buying stuff.
 
11:14 PM
which I am not a fan of
 
I'm sure there's a tonne more money in taking a cut of music sales than in selling hardware
I can't remember the last time I heard someone say "I am a fan of iTunes", or even "iTunes is not crap"
 
Even if OS X was the best OS out there I still probably wouln't use it, just based on political oppinion
I personally hate how they lock down everything. It frustrates power users like me
Also, they always pick on the little guys.
 
^^ huh?
 
What do they lock down that would be an issue for you? I don't use any Apple services on my MBA.
I'm all Google in terms of ecosystem.
 
So for example, you cant add any apps to your iphone without going through itunes.
You cant make an app that communicates with other apps
 
11:18 PM
Oh I see what you mean - you won't buy into OS X because you don't like Apple in general?
 
Correct
 
(You can download a .dmg to run on OS X from any site)
That's fair enough I guess. Always makes me laugh when non-power-users say something like "Why don't you have an iPhone - wouldn't it work better with your Mac?"
 
ya...
 
er.. if by 'work better' you mean pop open iTunes to sell me stuff when all I want to do is charge my damn phone... sure?
 
I am android/linux through and through
 
11:24 PM
Linux is great, but in some cases I find it's customisability a drawback - like because it's so much so, noone's bothered to think too hard about what the most useful default is, since everyone can just go ahead and configure it themselves. I seem to end up spending more time configuring than seems like should be necessary
 
@OllieFord Ya thats a good point. I have built my own "default" linux system VM image for whenever I want to start over because I know it will take me about a day or two to set it all up again
However, Ubuntu has somewhat done this with their separation of ubuntu server and what not
 
I've noticed some people push config etc files to their github (obviously not just for linux stuff, but it reminded me) - seems like a neat idea, easily access your usual setup wherever you are
"woah this isn't behaving like it usually does.. damn which option did I change that changed that... git pull ..."
 
that is a good idea...
I've done that for aws server scripts but never for my own box....
Bananas
 
11:52 PM
Hello
 
howdy
 
I'm fine, thanks. I want to write my first project with someone else in python and now I'm confused about virtual enviroments thing. Should I just upload my virtual env to git repository or just tell my friend to do his own virtual env?
 
I am not qualified to answer your question
 
why do people from history have NO CLUE how to write?! This sentence went on for like 10 lines and said nothing
 
Np. Now I think this might be a stupid idea to upload it there so we'll just try to use separate but the same envs :P
 

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