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5:01 PM
Although, there is no such thing in Python by default it can be implemented (create a mini preprocessor, which pasting the file content to the place where the include directive is) but as the others (and ofc as me too as well) suggested, it is not a good idea to do such thing in Python
note: actually both C/++ devs wants something similar to import instead of include
 
Damn never thought a typo could be this dangerous :[
 
zmo
KDawg - imperial units are dangerous as well for NASA
 
Most destructive typo I've seen recently is rm * .pyc. oops, because of that extra space, you didn't delete all .pyc files, you deleted everything in the directory.
 
zmo
as one of the mission failed, because some part of the code was in imperial units, and most of the code in international
cabbage, btw
 
Yeah, they talk about the Mars Climate Orbiter near the end of that article
 
DSM
5:11 PM
@Kevin: I've actually made that very mistake. Not with the .pyc extension, but with an unintentional space in an rm.
 
> In 1999, the $125 million ($172 million in 2014 dollars) Mars Climate Orbiter flew off course and disintegrated after spacecraft engineers forgot to convert from English to metric measurements.
 
zmo
hehe :-)
 
You should see the Jet Propulsion Laboratory's code requirements today. Just pages and pages of forbidden potentially unsafe practices.
 
zmo
and another epic fail is ariane 5 first launch
 
No GOTOs, no strings that aren't null-terminated, no dynamic memory allocation, no...
 
zmo
5:14 PM
that failed because they used the self check of Ariane IV as is, and they "forgot" to change the rocket characteristic ;-)
which is more than double the size
so it ended up in self destruct
 
@Kevin are these considered to be destructive? ;)
 
If eighty million dollars were on the line, sure, I'd consider them destructive.
 
Wonder what happens to those coders who make a simple typo's and cause millions in damages? they be like
 
zmo
@KDawg, nothing
it's the project manager that gets the blame
because if a dev fails, it's because the project manager did not set up conditions that made failure impossible
 
@zmo And that is why kids, you shouldn't be a project manager ;)
 
5:19 PM
at least not in million dollars project..
 
WTF is this:
-16
Q: How to import "ALLAH AKBAR" from "İSLAM" in PYTHON without subprocesses?

user3780363İmageMagick feels like an AOL concept i use it to manipulate images via command line in unix and linux. but is there something better than İMAGE MAGİCK ? because i do not believe in.. MAGİC or the BEAUTİFUL SOUP in PYTHON.

 
DSM
"there can not be such thing as off topic unless compared to a stationary point": oh, I remember this guy.
 
Damn someone voted to reopen it!?
nevermind it's gone now
 
"I do not believe in MAGIC... in PYTHON". :-(
Obvious troll. There's magic all up in this bitch.
 
>>> magic in python
False
 
5:24 PM
:)
>>> python is magic
True
 
You didn't use the proper all up in operator (available only in the experimental 3.4.K branch)
 
@Ffisegydd you used the wrong keyword..
 
DSM
If I type magic in Python, I get the IPython magic function docs..
 
magic!
 
DSM
I'm not sure I understand the objection to BeautifulSoup, though. Some people don't believe in magic, but soup?
 
5:26 PM
I just automated 3 people's jobs at my new job :| not sure how to feel about this
 
The reason documentation is so sparse everywhere: "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain s***"
 
Unfortunately you also get the IPython magic function docs if you type magic in FORTRAN and there is nothing magical and that hellhole
 
:D
 
@Crow I assume you're making 4x the base salary, since you're doing the work of those three people now in addition to your normal duties
 
@Ffisegydd boo, boo FORTRAN, boo
 
5:27 PM
FORTRAN95 was my first ever programming language...
Happy times (I'm still scarred)
 
I wish...
 
DSM
Hah. Found the old post I was looking for from the troll. I wonder if he was responsible for yesterday's impersonations (note that he called out Jon by name.)
 
Next time, don't tell your boss about your amazing automation; just extort the employee that would be replaced for 50% of his pay.
"You'll make half what you do now, but you'll have no responsibilities because my script will do your work. Interested?"
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: my supervisor was a 77 guy.
F95 was a paradise.
 
alas, it's just student internships... although kinda wondering why people get paid for some of this stuff
 
5:30 PM
My PhD supervisor is a 77 guy. We still use code that he wrote back in the 80s. Luckily I don't have to modify it very often.
I also wonder why you get paid @Crow...
 
@Crow my personal opinion is that 85% of the first and second world jobs are worthless and could be automated
they are paid, because human kind is the only species on earth who actually has to pay to live on this planet
 
@Ffisegydd well, my job description is annoy people on stack overflow...
 
DSM
Demand a raise. rimshot
 
My pessimistic viewpoint is: we're entering a new economy where all meaningful work is automated. The richest 0.01% will own all the means of production, and everyone else will dig ditches for a living wage so they can continue to fund fast food and tv megacorporations.
the jobs you see today that appear to be useless are just ditch digging positions in disguise.
 
I have pretty much the same opinion
 
5:35 PM
soon, the droids...
 
soon the cyborgs..
 
THEN, the raccoons
and all will be lots
 
I watched a depressing Youtube video and now I'm depressed.
I should stop watching depressing Youtube videos.
Google, please put a "mental hazard" warning on such videos, thanks in advance.
 
what was it about?
 
The main character has a bleak joyless life, but tries to make it look good on Facebook.
 
5:43 PM
oh btw Kevin, I started watching IT Crowd yesterday -- I know it is old, and probably you've seen it -- but if not, then you have to. hilarious! I mean I practically didn't laugh that much since the first few seasons of TBBT
@Kevin doc or short?
 
short. (click at your own risk)
@PeterVaro I watched the first season with my friends a couple months ago, but I started over just last week, actually
I don't usually like shows predicated around "the character gets into an embarrassing or uncomfortable situation", but I'm willing to make an exception for The IT Crowd.
 
@Kevin exactly the same here
@Kevin this wasn't good.. I mean
it has the potential, I liked the concept, but not in 2:33
maybe in 10:00 or 20:00
slower shots, more meaningful pictures and music.. slower..
 
I think I know what you mean.
I'm suddenly reminded of the beginning of Submarine, where the main character has the elaborate fantasy about how everyone would react if he died.
 
see, it was a nice movie, wasn't it? ;)
 
When in reality he's not all that popular, so the week long candlelit vigil probably wouldn't occur.
Same kind of perception/reality duality there.
"I'll pretend that I'm great, but I'm not really" kind of thing
 
5:53 PM
^ why did you edited your last sentence?
(I'm not asking as your psychiatrist, just curious..)
 
Without the quotes, some might have interpreted it as "I, Kevin, pretend that I'm great, but I'm not really"
Rather than "I, the character in this story, pretend..."
 
I know, that's exactly why I asked ;)
 
(Whether I do pretend that I am greater than I am, is a matter of opinion ;-) )
 
:D:D
 
in the short, those little five second shots of the main character's misfortunes could definitely be extended.
When his boss was tossing around his crappy presentation, he looked so disinterested... I wanted to see more of the circumstances that led him to that melancholy
 
5:58 PM
exactly -- plus it was just too much, I mean: his girlfriend leave him, he gets fired, he doesn't sport, doesn't eat well, no friends.. in 2 minutes.. it is just too much
you can't connect with the guy and his situation in such a short period of time
I know, I know, shorts are probably the most killer genre in films -- I think they are most difficult to create than any other type of movies/series (where you have the time, and probably the money to tell a full story in its depth)
 
^ another (great) short film
 
The absurdity of packing all those scenes into two minutes might be intentional. If the pace was more believable, it might skew the tragic/comedy balance in favor of tragic.
 
Being constantly pressurized into installing linux, it's more of trend these days :[
 
@frostnational Interesting, thanks for sharing.
 
@frostnational Thank you for sharing!
it was super awesome!
 
6:09 PM
Reminds me of an animated short I saw a couple years back, which I haven't been able to find since. The main character has a tiny apartment room embedded in his chest cavity. When he arrives home, it's revealed that he lives there - you can see a tiny version of himself in the miniature apartment.
 
@Kevin I know what you mean, but as I see it -- they didn't find the balance.. but maybe I'm not in that mood.. who knows..
 
One of the walls is missing (since otherwise we couldn't see inside, right?), and leads only into infinite blackness. He leaps into this void at the end of the film.
 
@Kevin and that reminds of this:
 
It may or may not have been a student film made by Ian Jones-Quartey, who now works on Adventure Time.
 
good ol' AT.. :)
 
6:13 PM
This song takes me back...
 
@Kevin the most depressing film I've ever seen was the "Before The Devil Knows You Are Dead" -- have you seen it?
 
Nope
 
The title itself is very.. deep. It is only one half of the story:
> May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead.
@Kevin Then I highly recommend you to add it to your list
it worth the trip, it really does.
(and ofc download the OST too, the music is just as brilliant as the movie)
 
6:33 PM
guys we're here to talk about python, not your personal stuff
 
I'm ready to talk about Python at any time :-)
 
@LynbrookVikings ahem ahem
 
Just watched The Division's trailer. It's so amazing, I'll probably buy a console to play it
 
We will be banished from here @Kevin.. I think it's time to create the "How Kevin and Peter sees the world.." room ;)
 
drink water
 
6:36 PM
In accordance with the prophecy, no man of woman born can banish me.
 
@LynbrookVikings if you want to speak about Python then please feel free to, but if no one is discussing Python then there's no problem people just chatting don't you think?
 
@Kevin oh is it you, mr. chosen one? nice to meet you :P
 
Yeah C'mon you just don't go to college to learn programming right? Where's the beer mate :)
 
anyway, I think I call it a rhubarb, probably bbl
~
 
Ideally, I'd like to cultivate an atmosphere where off topic chat is ok, but no one feels like they're "interrupting" by asking an on-topic question
 
6:39 PM
Indeed.
 
brb
 
What we don't realize is that there's a secret language beyond salad, the language of short film critique. That entire conversation was probably about how to overthrow the other room owners.
 
DSM
Their "coincidental" simultaneous disappearance lends credence to your theory.
 
I can neither confirm nor deny that allegation.
 
He couldn't handle the subterfuge any longer. And he just got 20 rep. "Oh yay, I can chat." "Oh no, it's all depressing short films."
 
6:54 PM
Why didn't formspring sue ask fm even though the latter copied all of formspring's features?Edit
 
whu?
 
these were websites popular circa 2010-2012
 
Perhaps "features" aren't strong enough grounds for a lawsuit
Like how the Tetris Company doesn't have exclusive rights over the idea of falling blocks composed of four smaller blocks
 
DSM
I seem to remember Tetris-related lawsuits.
Question: if you find yourself thinking "I wish every day were an itertools day", should you be writing in Haskell instead?
 
They might have rights over the word "tetris", the particular association of certain colors to certain tetrominoes, the word "tetromino", and any depictions of Церковь Спаса на Крови and the "Korobeiniki" theme song, but damnit, anyone can have falling blocks.
 
7:00 PM
@DSM Maybe
 
then why did the twinkelvoss brothers sue facebook?
 
And why didn't Myspace sue Facebook?
 
And where do xanga and livejournal fit into this?
 
gotta go rbrb folks!
 
For some reason, this is what made me decide to start learning haskell:
233
Q: A monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem?

Roman A. TaycherWho first said A monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem? and on a less important note is this true and if so could you give an explanation (hopefully one that can be understood by someone who doesn't have much haskell experience).

 
7:06 PM
@Ffisegydd if you have something else other than python there's something called facebook
 
But what if I want to talk about Python on Facebook? D:
 
@LynbrookVikings great timing, we were just talking about facebook anyways.
 
do you guys know any ways to strip the html tags from an html doc into a text file?
 
yes
 
lol nice davidism
other than beatufilsoup
 
7:07 PM
Augh, I was just about to suggest that.
 
lxml
 
@Kevin remember that both soup and magic don't exist.
 
DSM
Heh.
 
@Ffisegydd if you want to talk about python on fb, then talk about it here
 
Well, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to write a simple parser to skip everything inside brackets
 
7:08 PM
nothing that I want to download externally
like beautifulsoup and lxml
 
DSM
@davidism: how have you found it performance-wise?
 
@LynbrookVikings regex is definitely the answer.
 
ok thanks
 
DSM
Lynbrook: are you allowed to download Python?
 
@DSM haskell? I haven't done anything beyond learnyouahaskell.com
 
DSM
7:09 PM
@Ffisegydd: you're going to burn for that one..
 
wat do you mean
 
@DSM I'm already going to hell, I might as well have fun while I'm here.
 
valid_text = []
level = 0
for character in document:
    if character == "<":
        level += 1
    elif character == ">":
        level -= 1
    elif level == 0:
        valid_text.append(character)
print "".join(valid_text)
 
ofc you download python
 
DSM
@davidism: ah. I overinterpreted "decide to start learning haskell".
 
7:10 PM
@DSM but it's really interesting, and I find that I think the right way already when using Python sometimes
 
DSM
@LynbrookVikings: but then isn't Python external? Why is Python okay but bs4 not?
 
(warning, fails catastrophically if brackets are used anywhere except to signify tags)
 
thank you davidism for that wonderful website
well if you're going to program in any language
you have to download it
 
you wouldn't download a cpu
you wouldn't download a cabbage
 
@DSM bs4 is downloaded in a tar file or something, and it's really hard to extract
lol ok davidism
 
7:12 PM
I think @DSM is trying to understand why you won't/can't download one of the libraries that is built to do exactly what you want
 
you should look into pip, it installs packages
 
Pip is so cool.
 
im too sure how to use tar files
 
@davidism A UK anti-piracy ad reference?
 
im not too sure*
 
7:14 PM
@davidism:
 
yes, good cache, I'm glad my subtlety has been revealed
 
@Iplodman ive seen this a million times
 
@davidism ;)
@LynbrookVikings It's so damn tacky as well xD
#UKResidentsKnowThePain
 
they use this for like every movie
 
Not any more in my area, thank God.
 
7:17 PM
yea, that thing's old
 
@LynbrookVikings Just for reference, you can use the up and down arrow keys to edit past messages.
 
It always annoyed me how those adverts would be on movies that people had honestly paid for :/
 
xD
 
whoa, hey @LynbrookVikings we should take this conversation to Facebook :P
 
> You paid for this film! Stop pirating!
- The UK Government
 
7:24 PM
k thanks iplodman lol
sure davidism i'll add you
 
Please don't, my subtlety obviously needs to be called out more.
 
you're the one who said we should go to fb
 
DSM
I'm afraid you were being gently teased about your somewhat narrow take on what subjects are fit for discussion in the Python chat room. :^)
 
Thank you @DSM, I'm unironically glad my subtlety has been revealed again.
 
facebook shmacebook
 
7:31 PM
 
7:46 PM
this guy has admirable faith in Python's built-in functionality. Looks like he thinks that open('SomeFile.jpg', 'w') will let you create jpgs just like that.
 
I already vtc'd it
That would be pretty handy though
With open('jpg') for read, open('png') for write
 
Yeah, voted as too broad
 
two answers to the jpg question, neither of which output jpgs
 
To be fair, that little detail is a bit buried amongst the other details
 
After two answer downvotes I now have 3 666 rep.
 
7:56 PM
I half expect that the OP is the kind of guy that uses power point to write documents and Word to draw images, so his "jpg" requirement will get revised to "whatever's easiest to output"
Paint is easier to use than power point, therefore I will ask SO to give me output as a jpg instead of a text file
 
I give up, I'll let them keep their wrong answers
 
There, there. I'm on your side.
 
:3
 
DSM
I read the jpg comments first before reading the question & title, so "In any case, check out itertools.permutations" took me by surprise..
 
Saying "you didn't fully answer the question" is a useful contribution, because it encourages the answerer to make a more useful contribution :-)
I never cared for all that "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" false dichotomy stuff.
 
DSM
8:04 PM
I just had a clever idea to solve a problem, and believe it or not, it's "use a regex".
 
I've had such moments..
And surprisingly, sometimes that is indeed the right solution!
 
Bonus points if it included the undocumented re.Scanner class.
 
"Now you have two problems" is a fun gag, but regex indeed has a right place and time to be used.
 
Sometimes, regex is just the faster solution. When in doubt, measure!
 
DSM
More people should use the expression "too clever by half".
 
8:13 PM
@DSM What does it mean, sage?
 
Brian Kernighan said it well:
> Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?
 
What is the inverse of that? "Not clever enough by double"?
 
DSM
[It was used in Martijn's article, for anyone who cared why I brought it up out of nowhere..]
 
19
Q: Origin of "Too Clever by Half"

Michael La VoieThe phrase "Too Clever by Half" is used to criticize someone for being overconfident in their thinking. What is the origin of this phrase? I read somewhere that it started as a backhanded compliment meant to imply that they are only half clever, but I couldn't find any corroboration.

 
I don't use the phrase because it's ambiguous. If 100 is the maximum tolerable cleverness amount, what is "too clever by half"? 150 cleverness points? Or 100.5?
 
DSM
8:26 PM
"By half" is being used in the broad sense of "significantly above". If you think you need to be concerned with somehow quantifying it to check yourself against the criterion, then you're being too clever..
 
@Kevin Let us go deeper: half by what? Too clever by half, where the half could be of a biscuit/book/limb/lamb?
 
Oh no, we're recursively becoming too clever by half. I forget my math, what's the limit of cleverness?
 
150 + (biscuit/2/10)?
@Crow Ah, "why isn't this working", the bane of SO ;)
 
angular.module('dashboard', ['charts'])
    .config(...
I'm not sure this is allowed.
 
8:30 PM
I don't think that the laws of physics as we know them allow @Kevin to be not good at something.
 
Oh wait, it's not Python. In that case, I don't know.
 
Ah, right ;)
So, I'm learning to write decorators.
Puts on shades
 
I'm not good at lots of things. For example, I can't parallel park.
 
I can't drive ;-;
I'd probably kill an infant if I did, anyway.
 
I can rub my head and trip over objects at the same time.
 
8:32 PM
If you've played Mario Kart, you're 95% of the way there.
 
Ew, Mario Kart ;-;
 
Or is it trip over head, pat objects?
 
I've always wondered, would "What don't you know?" not be a paradox?
 
You should take a philosophy course.
 
How am I supposed to know if I don't know something? I'd never have heard of it to be able to state that I hadn't heard of it.
 
8:34 PM
 
My God, we actually have one of those.
 
@lplodman do you know whether "What don't you know?" is a paradox?
 
> Reports that say there's -- that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.
English being the slippery thing it is, there are a number of non-paradoxical interpretations to the question, but yeah, you could probably carefully word it so it's a real paradox.
 
@MartijnPieters What I've gathered from my time on SO: meta-chart.com/s/1ce4708b
@ZeroPiraeus Oh, damn.
 
@Iplodman Heh. You do want to swap the t and r there though.. :-P
Oh, and there is an i missing in my last name..
 
8:41 PM
Damn you typos ;-;
I also noticed the i one, but thought not to mention it ;)
 
Reminds me of a bit from one of Douglas Hofstadter's books, which explains that there are facts that are true, but which can never be proven under any circumstance
 
String theory, perhaps?
 
"This statement is true" is true, but no amount of deductions comprised from the axioms of logic could ever prove it
Or could it? Maybe that's a bad example. But there's definitely other examples that do qualify.
 
I contend that "This statement is true" is false.
 
@Iplodman Well, any theory about how the universe works is pretty much unprovable in the mathematical sense.
 
8:45 PM
@Kevin But scientifically?
 
We might come up with a model of physics that perfectly matches our observations, right up until the point where the stars line up and spell "nice try lol"
 
@Kevin why's that? What's wrong with it?
 
Well, in Python, functionName(arg1, arg2) [end of line] is parsed as a full statement, and putting .methodName on the next line will just confuse the parser
 
@Kevin That would prove nothing, only give the God-spotters something to gawk at.
Taking that message literally, of course.
 
That's my point. Nothing you observe proves anything.
 
8:49 PM
@Kevin Alas, that had no success. Although, that part is in javascript
 
@Kevin Humans do tend to draw a correlation of causation, though.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." It is often shortened to simply post hoc. It is subtly different from the fallacy cum hoc ergo propter hoc ("with this, therefore because of this") (correlation does not imply causation), in which two things or events occur simultaneously or the chronological ordering is insignificant or unknown. Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears ...
 
Cabbage, little pup.
 
Little? Have you seen the size of my head relative to the body!
 
xD
 
9:02 PM
cbg, @Jon
 
how goes your evening @Martijn?
 
if self.get_proportions([head, body]) > 50: print("Dayum, son.")
 
@JonClements Are you sure you don't just have a very long and strangely tapering neck?
 
@JonClements Just fine, knocking off though.
 
thanks mate, you just me cough my tea over the keyboard
 
9:05 PM
Alright, I did find the problem, $locationChangeSuccess isn't a real thing, just passing $location in worked fine
 
@JonClements Who dunnit'?
A retro game reference as well, if you're into that stuff.
 
Ruhbarb
I'm out!
 
@Martijn laters - thanks for coming today btw :)
 
TTFN :-)
 
@Zero do you think Martijn is aware of how that statement could be interpreted (admittedly by a somewhat distrubed/dirty mind)
 
9:08 PM
What, TTFN?
 
The "knocking off" :)
 
Ahhh. You bad, bad puppy ;-)
 
I'd repeat what @JonClements said for that message too, but I fear the joke has already gone too far.
 
I'd hang my head in shame, but I'm afraid my neck isn't good enough to raise it again
 
9:12 PM
"How old is he?" - "I don't know - everyone else his age is dead"
Lazy late dinner... very nice kebab
 
I shall leave now, rhubarb all :D
 
@Iplodman rbrb!
 
Mmm, kebab ...
 
definitely not the best I've had... but wonderful none the less
 
Am I being dense, or is this gibberish?
0
Q: Extracting Pattern with same value

user3780891I have a python dictionary as: data = {12345:2,123456:2,1234:2,123:2,1234567:3,12345678:3} I need output as {123:2,1234567:3} the logic is based as get the longest pattern having the same score, i.e 123 has score 2, now if a number starts with 123 then it's score should be 2, same as for patt...

 
9:16 PM
It kinds of makes sense
 
I almost thought I might understand it until OP's last comment.
 
Doesn't quite seem inline with the post, umm....
 
Meh, it's unclear to me. VTCing ...
 
I've also VTC'd as unclear
@Ffisegydd awww... appears I missed you on Steam - had a chance to play MTG yet?
 
No not yet :( been reading Dark Tower
 
9:29 PM
the first one?
(if we're talking King here)
 
Just finished book 3
They're on Blaine discussing riddles. Will start Book 4 tomorrow
 
Which is Wizard and Glass?
or something like that - long time since I've read the series
 
Dunno. This one was Wastelands
 
Yeah, so it's wizard and glass next, then the wolves of calla, susannah's song and can't remember the name of the final one
 
The Dark Tower :P
 
9:36 PM
Think it's probably called "The Dark Tower"
on, you beat me to it :)
 
Anyway I'm off to bed now anyway. rbrb puppy et al.
 
@Ffisegydd how sad am I? groups.google.com/forum/#!search/clements$20snitch$20potter/alt.fan.harr‌​y-potter/W_bdL25O5Cw/t-dcSfUKs1oJ
@Ffisegydd have a good night mate, and thanks very much for your effort today - it's truly appreciated
 
DSM
TIL that I've earned exactly 0 rep from suggestededits.
 
why is this getting mad?
$scope.$on('$locationChangeSuccess', function(event) {
        endpoint = $location.hash().replace('.', '/');
        var c = Chart.get({chart_name: endpoint}, function(charts) {
            $scope.charts = charts;
        });
    });
it makes the url to the backend look like this: /charts/activation%2Ffirst_activation
 
@DSM I have 26 - do I win something now? :p
 
DSM
9:48 PM
Some kind of community-helpfulness ribbon, I expect.
 
I didn't even realise at the time that you got +2 rep for edits :(
Plus, think I was mostly correcting typos that bugged me and they should have been rejected anyway :)
 
DSM
I don't think it would've helped the younger me much -- I still don't entirely understand what edits people like and don't like.
BTW, I don't think I ever congratulated you on your new empire!
 
Yes - a new universe to conquer explore - it's going to be fun :)
 
DSM
When does the fun officially begin?
 
November
 
DSM
9:58 PM
Plenty of time to sharpen your swords.
 
Time? Never enough of it :)
 

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