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2:00 PM
(basically what @ChillarAnand just did)
 
Yeah
At least unless you have direct write access to the repository.
 
@IntrepidBrit I think that is the best, you technically have write access so you can accept your own PRs :P
I think I'll start working with forks as well
 
Righto, happy with that.
 
If you have write access, you can also create separate branches you work on, push those and make PR for those (PR also work from and to the same repo).
At least that’s what I’m doing for the sopy-site stuff :P
 
Actually, yeah, that's what I meant but meh :P
I'll be around if anyone has any questions or comments, but won't be doing anything this afternoon on it until I've finished this chapter.
 
2:03 PM
Ohhh, I just turned 5! Happy SO birthday me!
 
Cbg all
 
Awwwwww, thank you <3
That looks so delicious!
And I love the pattern! (Although it’s kind of messed up at the bottom left :( )
 
I hope you're happy Fizzy. I now have a working Python 3.x instance on my linux box
 
bahahahahahaha.
 
2:09 PM
@IntrepidBrit welcome to the brave new world of nonlegacy
 
I'm proud, you're finally a man.
 
Pft.
 
@IntrepidBrit next you'll be telling us you're not running Breezy Badger
 
hi to all
 
I most certainly am not! And that's probably why I'm mired in this mess!
 
2:11 PM
sorry to disturb u but
 
(although looks like something's not right with our requirements.txt, setup.py isn't working properly)
ah, wrong computer. That's going to get me in trouble
 
@IntrepidBrit I didn't actually test the setup.py so it may well not be correct, I stole borrowed it from sopython-site
 
i have one issue
i want to run pandas in eclipse
 
It's very difficult to get pandas to run, as they're so bloody lazy.
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I joined the room just for the opportunity to make that joke, now I've made it I'll be leaving. Goodbye forever.
 
@Ffisegydd
why forever
 
2:19 PM
@AniketDeshmukh He made a bad joke is all
;)
 
Pipe down, bagpipes. There was nothing bad about that joke.
 
@Ffisegydd It was reposted on Programmers, with a similar reception: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/263436/…
 
@AniketDeshmukh What's the problem?
 
2 total meta posts, 2 "good question" badges
 
(not saying I can help though)
 
2:21 PM
...
 
now if only someone would actually act on my request
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Q: Add synonyms for the [stackoverflow] tag

davidismThere are three tags for the concept of a "stack overflow" (not a certain website). stackoverflow should be the main tag, while stackoverflowexception and stackoverflowerror should be synonyms for it. The "exception" tag seems to be common with C#/.NET questions, and the "error" tag seems to be...

 
@IntrepidBrit i wand to run pandas in eclipse i was install pandas my using cmd
but when open eclipse it not support
 
@Intrepid pretty sure that's a different thing,.
 
2:24 PM
That seems to be for web dev of some kind, when I assume @Aniket wants to use the data analysis package.
 
@Ffisegydd I thought Pandas shipped with its own Python interpreter? (disclaimer: have never used pandas)
 
morning everyone
 
Narp.
@Aniket you haven't actually provided any information or details on what you're doing, where it's going wrong, etc.
Without these, we cannot help you.
 
@davidism In my reading that was a dupe.
 
2:27 PM
I voted as POB -> "what should I be learning to eventually reach this goal?"
 
@MartijnPieters you mean vaultah's cv-pls?
 
@IntrepidBrit @Ffisegydd thanks solve problem
 
O_o ok...
 
Glad we could help :)
blows raspberry at Fizzy
 
@Chillar, accepted the PR, cheers :D as I said in the message we'll actually end up removing the fixtures based on pokes comments, but doesn't harm to get the data into the repo for now.
@IntrepidBrit ;_;
 
Is a list of hashmaps too complex of a data structure for intro to computer science class?
 
is it an intro to data structures or an intro to programming?
 
intro to programming general, their assignment is to make a CSV reader/writer more or less
 
@davidism Ick, yes
 
2:35 PM
@corvid then it's probably too complicated for many, unless you've been slowly building up through other assignments how to use Lists and HashMaps separately.
of course, don't let that stop you, the intro classes are weeding out students anyway
 
the intro class is actually mostly chemistry students for some reason... and they're doing better than the compsci major. Such disappoint.
 
@corvid why hashmaps rather than a list of lists or something?
 
@RobertGrant just thought it'd be easy to manage something like csv.DictReader in python
 
How do you specify the install order for the install requirements?
 
@IntrepidBrit what's the issue? I re-installed into a venv just today and it worked fine.
 
2:38 PM
@IntrepidBrit you don't, order shouldn't matter
 
@IntrepidBrit it figures it out I think
 
and pip works out dependencies
 
Well, it's currently trying to install scipy BEFORE numpy and then failing
 
@IntrepidBrit but if you're only using a requirements file generated by pip, it should always give you a list which doesn't care about the order
 
But then pip should say "numpy is a requirement of scipy itself, need to install that"
 
2:40 PM
But it's not, unless it's getting confused between my numpy for Python2 and numpy for Python3
 
Yeah, that is weird
 
you could make two files and do two installs, but that seems like a bad solution
 
Are you using a virtualenv?
 
Are you running pip3?
Or whatever your environment calls it
And yes, in venv?
 
No, I'm not running a venv
Was planning to do that after and test both
 
2:41 PM
Dirty.
The .gitignore is already set up to ignore a venv folder in the top level, if you wanted to save it there, btw.
 
Yeah just use a venv
Any recommendations by Robert Grant are subject to a fair use policy that precludes you from using them at all
 
Almost guarantee it will
 
Have that, the competition
 
Ah, there we go. Apparently didn't install pip for python3. That's going to create a hellish mess
 
Cbg, may be back later. Wrestling with flipping hateful Laravel
 
anyone here have experience with Blender?
 
Argh
This is going from bad to worse
 
:(
What's up buttercup?
 
Trying to work out why the venv can't find setuptools
I presume it's because something's gone wonky with the pythonpath
 
When I create a virtualenv (usually use pyvenv) it has pip and setuptools by default.
 
user559633
3:05 PM
@IntrepidBrit still having problems? i'm pretty good at debugging these sorts of things
 
@corvid what sort of experience??
cabbage
 
@tilaprimera just trying to make an extremely basic model, or what I think should be
 
Yeah. I'm thinking my Python is a mess because I've installed Ubuntu ontop of an existing Ubuntu install (had a lovely "laptop flying into a wall sort of hardware problem")
 
hmm @corvid first time user or been using it for a while?
 
first time actually using it
 
user559633
3:07 PM
usually python will search ../lib/$python version
 
@corvid is it your first animation software or have used the others?
@corvid i am novice too, haven't really put my blender to use for anything than basic stuff.
 
hello.. is it possible to develop a android application using python?
 
@user2511798 Use Kivy.
 
nah, haven't used any. I think what I'm trying to do should be fairly basic. Trying to make a battle standard, but can't find a good way to make the bottom of the flag look ripped
 
@Ffisegydd Thx.. i see that it doesn't support python
python3.4
 
3:12 PM
@corvid haven't really put my blender to use for anything than basic stuff.
 
tp = ["/net/home/Desktop/2nd/tp.csv"] is meant to load the data from that file into a list/array...
 
That help?
 
@davidism I hate the fact that you have to use magic variables such as loop.index instead of enumerate(<list>) in Jinja2's for-loop :(
 
@IntrepidBrit yeah that's what I was after, thank you
 
cbg all
 
3:20 PM
sulks in the corner for having a slow internet connection
 
you're welcome
and cabbage
 
@PeterVaro I like that, Jinja already knows all the properties of the loop, might as well expose them
 
@corvid that's also an awful long drop to the floor if the cat shifts their weight just a teensy bit more towards the hand..
 
but that will still be cccccute!
 
3:23 PM
@davidism grrr..mrr..rrr.. /me is grumbling
 
@corvid It'll be bloody funny, more like.
I wouldn't be able to stop laughing before trying to see if the cat is alright.
 
Right. I've purged the hell out of python on my box. I only have Python3 on it. This time, when I'm trying to create a venv, I'm getting a Error: Command '[' /path/to/venv/bin/python3.4', '-Im', 'ensure pip', '--upgrade', '--default-pip']' returned non-zero exit status 1
 
anyone seen this? Python is ranking pretty high lifehacker.com/…
 
are those adjusted for location and cost of living?
 
@Intrepid I dunno what you've done...
 
3:34 PM
ruby and objc are probably pretty high just because everyone in San Francisco and Silicon Valley loves it for some reason, and living in SF costs an arm and two legs.
 
@Ffisegydd Nor does Linux apparently. I wonder how to actually get some information to debug
That command output was after a cheeky pyvenv-3.4 venv
 
@davidismare you using any kind of GUI for github or just the raw CLI?
 
I don't even get how Silicon Valley's economy works
 
Just trash it. Wipe the HDD. Then install Windows.
 
Also, that entire article is dumb because "Ruby on Rails" is not a programming language like the rest of them.
 
DSM
3:36 PM
Later-than-normal cabbage for all.
 
@corvid San Diego's pretty messed up too
actually, just make that "all of California"
 
I was just gonna say all of california. It's so expensive, it doesn't make sense
 
@PeterVaro I just use the command line
 
I see.. thanks.. that's the only thing so far I'm missing very much..
I loved the GitHub's Mac client
 
@PeterVaro there's the gitk and git gui commands, but they're really ugly tkinter guis
 
3:44 PM
Aha. Apparently the Ubuntu 14.01 distro's pyvenv-3.4 is messed up
 
functional though
 
... still tries to install scipy before numpy
 
TortoiseHg is still the best gui I've come across, unfortunately there's no equivalent for git on linux.
 
ahh -- sure, they are ugly as hell -- but not so bad at all ;)
thanks ;)
 
That shouldn't be an issue though Brit, as when it reaches scipy it should say "oh wait I need numpy" then install it, then when it hits numpy later it goes "Oh I've already got it"
But, if it fixes it, then just modify the requirements.txt for now.
 
3:46 PM
Aye, it's not like I have to push that part of the change
But I did a cheeky apt-get purge python* so it should work like me as it does everyone else
(or like a fresh install)
 
I assume you're using pip install -r requirements.txt anyway?
 
Nope, I was trying to use setup.py
 
Ah don't trust that, don't even know if it works yet :P
 
It doesn't ;)
 
Plus you don't want to install it as a package do you? As you're going to be editing everything.
 
3:48 PM
I thought that whilst I had a fresh(ish) install, I'd try it out using it as a user package because I wouldn't have all the python3 things I'd need
 
Ah I see
Well try pip install -r requirements.txt as that works fine on my Mac (with the scipy vs numpy thing)
 
Yeah, it's actually downloading things happily just now
 
To be perfectly honest we don't even need the scipy-stack yet, I only installed them cos we'll need them eventually.
And they might be useful in sorting out features
 
To be honest, I don't need most of it in just now, because all I'm doing is writing unit tests and arsing about with strings
 
Exactly.
 
3:51 PM
I just figure I'd try to "do things properly" on this project instead of hacking an environment together
 
cbg Robert
?!?! yamming nora. Getting a tpye error when building matplotlib
 
@PeterVaro so I've decided to license PythonImproved and Neon under the MIT license, as all my research (and your suggestions) showed that Creative Commons just wouldn't cut it. In order to maintain compatibility with Python3.tmLanguage's GPL license, I won't be taking anything directly from your code, just "inspiration" in case I find anything interesting. I've already cited you in my README, and if I add anything from Python3 I'll add a comment linking to you in the source. Sound good?
@IntrepidBrit what's the error? I've built matplotlib a bunch of times, maybe I can help...
 
It's probably not something you want to get into. This is an iceberg problem that makes the one that sank the Titanic look like an ice-cube
 
if you say so
 
4:08 PM
That is one titanic metaphor
 
Would you say that "??? Wat do ???" is "capitalised"?
 
DSM
Probably not. On a vaguely related note, am I the only one who forgets that casefold exists? I've rediscovered it multiple times now.
 
print('??? Wat do ???'.istitle()) # False
 
@DSM Never knew such a thing existed. Cool. Thanks.
 
4:22 PM
@vaultah yeah I know how Python defines it. I meant more in terms of: does the fact that 'Wat' is capitalised mean that it is captalised?
 
@MattDMo (turns out they haven't made freetype properly optional, installed it and bypassed that particular hurdle)
 
Ah good old freetype :)
 
In the sense of evaluating the question title; since it’s starting with three question marks, whatever positive attribute you can give about the title shouldn’t be applied.
 
@poke I agree, was just looking for other opinions
Python defines a '?' as neither uppercase, nor lowercase.
Same for all punctuation I assume.
 
Maybe instead of checking if it’s capitalized, check if the first character of the title is “good”
 
4:24 PM
@IntrepidBrit yup, I've run into that before. Glad you figured it out
 
Or remove all punctuation
 
That's what I have done, but if people had disagreed with me then I'd have had to search for the first "proper" letter which would be much more difficult.
 
Well, questions like “"$/!Q"=$/!"Q)$/$="$"!Q=$$" How do I do this special thing?” is still invalid, even if the first “proper” letter (and the rest) is absolutely fine.
 
Yes it's valid, but from a feature extraction POV do you class it as capitalised or not? It might be that because of such questions we find that capitalisation is not a decent feature, i.e., there is too much noise.
 
4:27 PM
That’s why I suggested moving away from capitalization and make it “good” (use a better word) instead
 
How do you type these quotes?
 
huh?
With my keyboard?
 
Yeah but how do you define "good"? How is that a better word? This function title_capitalision does exactly what it says.
 
“Good”: Starts with a capitalized letter.
I.e. not with some interpunctuation.
 
But that doesn't necessarily mean that a title is "Good"
 
4:30 PM
That’s why I said: Use a better word than “good” :D
 
gooderer
 
DSM
I think vaultah's getting at the fact your quotes are curly (well, more angly in my font), as in “Good”, instead of flat, as in "Good".
 
I know but I still type those with my keyboard :P
 
I've started a branch which removes the fixtures, will merge it in a moment.
I've also moved it from ratio to percentage
 
I'm not really sure what that function does, but mostly because I don't know what capitalision is :)
 
4:32 PM
As otherwise for a title like ''ERMEHGERD I NEED PERTHERN HERLP!'` you get a ratio of infinity :P
 
4:46 PM
I think I broke my /usr/local/bin
 
a blogpost i just wrote would be happy to hear you all's comment
 
Andddddddddddddddddddddddddd done.
I have a venv
 
:D
 
DSM
Get better soon!
 
@DSM nice touch!
@IntrepidBrit get well soon!
:D
 
4:51 PM
You get a temporary respite from my incessant mewling.
 
I always believed in you Brit.
 
@IntrepidBrit Can I use that sentence in my blog?
 
Of course. Pretty sure I couldn't stop you either ;)
 
@IntrepidBrit Have I used some of your sentences already? pokes head into a book and checks the reference
404 not found
 
... your book interface is broken. I can't remember the last time I got a 404 when reading Terry Pratchett
 
4:54 PM
+++ OUT OF CHEESE ERROR +++
 
+++ FEAR NOT +++
 
@Ffisegydd ++++ REDO FROM START ++++
 
@ChillarAnand next time you make a PR, add your name to the AUTHORS.md
(This is assuming you want to continue helping :) )
 
@Ffisegydd some stats on the analytics :)
 
Cabbage!
 
5:02 PM
um.... some landing pages there I wouldn't have expected...
cbg @Iplodman
 
How's the dog food nowadays?
 
Anyone have ASUS router?
 
@JonClements wow more users than I would have expected
three referrals from your profile page @Jon
 
? - don't have a link to sopython on it :)
 
yeah you do, it's your website link
 
5:07 PM
oh yeah ;)
I'd forgotten about that
I think I can recognise the majority of users - but still - it's nice to see it's actually getting used :)
 
Are these stats public?
 
Alright fess up, which 2 of you use IE?
 
Can't you correlate geo location with browser? EDIT: removed Yoda
 
:( 38 chrome vs 10 firefox
what's wrong with you people?!
 
Chrome is clearly superior.
 
5:12 PM
got some mobile hits too
this is really cool, I've never used analytics before
 
Real time is actually mega
 
DSM
"Start by writing some code, and see how that goes" is fun to say, and frequently appropriate, but probably unhelpful. Hard to resist sometimes, though. :-/
 
makes another Firefox hit appear
 
@Kevin we thought you were dead!
 
I was in a coding trance.
 
DSM
5:18 PM
Welcome back, Kevin. Welcome back.
 
Writing a polyomino image generator for this question.
@DSM Thanks :-)
 
DSM
:-( I'm missing the connection between A x B and the shown images. What do 1 and 2 correspond to in the 1x2 picture?
 
AxB is the dimension of the rectangles being packed into the grid
 
1x2 refers to the dimensions of the green shapes.
 
DSM
Ah, that makes sense. I kept thinking it was something about the total shape somehow.
 
5:28 PM
total shape area doesn't matter, except as a tie breaker when the OP decides who answered the best
 
DSM
1x5 and 2x3 are neat to look at.
 
did you make those images with python, or by hand?
I like the shading on them
 
(which is going to be a headache if you ask me. If I get 100 different AxB categories, and another user gets 99, but all of his have smaller area, who is the winner?)
@davidism Python.
 
DSM
(In a way, you're both winners.)
 
5:30 PM
Getting the shading on the corners was the hardest part. you have to cover five different cases
concave corner, convex corner, horizontal side, vertical side, interior, and tangent (where two corners of the same shape touch)
 
If I have a Question object which is going to hold SO question information, I will pass in a dict with the initial information and then process it and assign it to instance variables, such as question.title etc. I was also thinking it should have a list of Answer objects that hold any answers to the question. It could also have Comment objects which, similarly, hold any comments. Does this all make sense?
 
Right rhubarb for now. But I need to collar Fizzy later
 
@IntrepidBrit I'll be around all evening, just ping me.
 
Sound
 
@Ffisegydd sounds good.
 
5:33 PM
I will store the initial dict in __data so it can be accessed but is "private"
 
DSM
Why the dunder?
 
I'm trying to write a PyQt app that displays some info as data is received over the network. Do I need to create a new QThread to receive the network data, or should I create a python thread, or is neither necessary?
 
Cos I'm a rebel without a cause. And also because then it stops people from accessing the dict, when they should be using q.title rather than q._Question__data['Title'] or whatever the dunder modifies it to.
But mainly because I'm a rebel who has, as has been mentioned, no cause.
 
Dunders are the universal symbol for "now entering foot self-shooting territory"
 
Indeed. And while it won't necessarily shoot their foot, I will shoot their foot for not using the class that I've lovingly created for them properly.
 
5:36 PM
@JonClements my 9-year-old son says he really likes your avatar. Puppies!
 
@user939259 if qthread is part of the python library you're using for qt, you might want to stick with that just so you're staying within the qt ecosystem, but either one is a viable solution
 
@MattDMo your son has great taste :)
 
@davidism Sounds good, thanks
 
5:54 PM
@MattDMo sounds awesome -- although, I'm not an expert, but I think you can use GPL directly in MIT.. or is it only allowed in the other way?
(ahh.. those fudging licenses :P)
 
@Peter I think it's only allowed the other way, but IANAL. From what I remember, GPL is "infectious" and anything deriving from it has to be GPL. That's why I didn't want to copy and paste directly, as I'm not sure if I'm allowed to.
 
all righty then ;)
 
@MattDMo that's correct
 
@davidism do you have the transcript of the most recent room meeting up yet? I was busy at work and couldn't make it...
 
I should have the auto-transcript tool finished on Monday.
 
ok thanks
 
@MattDMo starts a few messages down on this page: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/6/2014/11/12/15-17
 
Just seen there's a firefox developer edition
 
I'm vaguely opposed to the idea. Developer tools should be available in the regular edition.
I bet Mozilla has a blog post explaining exactly why I'm wrong.
 
7:05 PM
GOOOOOOONNNNNNNG
 
If we hide development tools away from the user, how will the young people discover the industry? It was easy thirty years ago when you could hack your video games with a basic POKE command. Now you need a hundred dollar subscription to the Apple developer licensing service (or whatever) to get a Hello World going
(expected response: "POKE was the easy part. Discovering the memory address to poke, and which value to insert, was the hard part. Don't pretend that it was a breeze to give yourself 255 lives in Pac Man")
(yeah, well, the owner's manual and a computer enthusiast zine would get you 90% of the way there)
 
Hmm. Anyone have any idea/preference for docstring layout? Preferably a link to examples or such? I've looked at the PEP but it doesn't seem to say much, like how arguments and such should be set out?
 
"Maybe the manual was easily accessible, but not necessarily the magazine. How would a complete neophyte learn of its existence?"
I guess he would be informed about it by an older more experienced peer.
"The same way a more experienced peer could say 'you should try out the Firefox developer edition'?"
Hypothetical opponent, I don't like arguing with you very much.
 
7:28 PM
@Ffisegydd see how I've done it in sopy
@Kevin stop spawning more processes
 
@davidism yeah I had a look but couldn't find any examples where you'd set the args etc
 
use :param name: name of the widget to document arguments
use :return: something awesome to document returns
 
Alright cool
 
there's also :type name: str and :rtype: Awesome if you want to specify types, which I don't, and you can use :raises ReallyBadException: when something really bad happens to document exceptions, which I also don't do
 
Where are all these from?
 
Ah right ta.
I really don't like reST.
I also don't like
"""docstring

docstring!
"""
And much prefer
"""
docstring

docstring!
"""
 
The latter is better for ASCII art. Gotta have all your lines start on the same column.
 
But I will use the former as that's what sopython-site uses and we don't want any strife in our ideal community.
 
I'm glad I got there first :)
 
Exercise: write a tool that converts the codebase to and from each docstring style.
 
7:41 PM
Actually, that's a lie, I'm gonna use the latter. Strife-ON!
 
await my strongly worded pull request
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: yeah, I like the flat style better too.
 
Await me ignoring you in a flighty, devil-may-care manner.
"Oh, you issued a PR? I must have missed it, forgive me."
 
Nibada has been forked into "Nibada Classic" and "Nibada sane docstrings"
 
I prefer "Nidaba Classic" and "Nidaba Heathens"
 
7:50 PM
Let's just draw a line through all the SOPython stuff and divide everything equally.
@Ffisegydd, you can have the top half of chat. Don't write any messages below this line, as that part belongs to davidism.
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Can't we split it vertically?
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Nope, the treaty has been broken since you crossed the original line. Now chaos will reign forever.
So, business as usual, basically.
 

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