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Hi @pblasucci :)
 
Hi, Reed
:-)
Been ages since I've been in an F# chat room
 
hopefully it won't keep being ages ;)
 
Yup. My plan's to hang out here a bit more
 
whoa bona fide FWaffle room :D
when did the fork happen from the FP room?
 
7:35 PM
a few months back
there were a few people asking a lot of F# questions, so we just made this instead of filling the FP room with F# only stuff
 
Very nice. I think that was a good move. Also adds to the grown up language aspect. ;)
 
Reed Copsey has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
exactly - it's also really nice to have a place with persistent, easily linkable/searchable chat history for people
 
@JeroldHaas @Re Definitely agr
ack!
 
7:37 PM
posted on July 20, 2014 by Sergey Tihon

The set of F#-branded logos (projects) with the sharp ‘#’ sign in the top-left corner ;) Please let me know if I missed something. Filed under: F# Tagged: F#

posted on July 21, 2014 by Sergey Tihon

Welcome to F# Weekly, A roundup of F# content from this past week: News NUnit is now integrated right in the Xamarin Studio. Visual F# PowerTools hit 11000 downloads! F# Charting docs were improved. A new user group in Chennai, India was announced. Steffen Forkmann is working on suggesting to fix a typo in a type name. Bryan […]

posted on July 21, 2014 by Sergey Tihon

Originally posted on FourEightThree: When writing type providers you are required to define code that will run at run-time with a quotation. This in itself is not a problem, however if you try and pass a none native type to the quotation you will receive the following error, Unsupported constant type: xxxx There is a…

posted on July 23, 2014 by Sergey Tihon

Today, Vladimir Makarov faced with quite interesting ‘bug’(very unexpected behavior) of FSI. The initial goal was quite simple – count number of NuGet packages, which have “ASP.NET” in title. As a result, there was created a script that perfectly works in compiled form and crashes in FSI, here it is: When we run this in FSI we got […]

posted on July 28, 2014 by Sergey Tihon

Welcome to F# Weekly, A roundup of F# content from this past week: News If you want to suggest a new feature for the F# addin in Xamarin Studio, remember to add it to user voice. Visual F# Power Tools can show you unused open declarations. New F# meetup in Toronto. Call to F# speakers. Help […]

 
Let's try that again...
 
sorry about the spam there :p
 
@JeroldHaas @ReedCopsey Definitely agree
 
@pblasucci Chat tip: You can use up arrow and edit your previous post, instead of posting a new one (for a limited time) :D
 
Catch the Wumpus!
 
7:38 PM
thought it'd be nice for F# weekly to post in here
 
Ah, thanks, @ReedCopsey
 
If anybody has other feeds that you think would be a good idea - let me know
I'll try to get them in
Hi @Rachel :D
 
Heya :)
 
Heya
@ReedCopsey, is the bookmarklet still working for you?
 
@AshtonKJ Yes - it seems to work pretty well
would be nice to have user leaving show up, too - but the join notices are very nice
 
7:44 PM
I can do that tomorrow. :P
Anyone feel like filling in a 30 sec survey? surveymonkey.com/s/M2H5JDM
 
Reed Copsey has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
Reed Copsey has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
posted on December 31, 2013 by dsyme

At NDC Oslo, F# in Finance and other recent events I've given versions of the talk "Succeeding with Functional-First Programming in Finance". I've also given adaptions called "Succeeding with Functional-First Programming in Industry".   The slides are now available on Slide Share. The talk is based partly on material from http://fsharp.org/testimonials and other sources, I'd be h

posted on December 31, 2013 by dsyme

Would you like to work as a postdoc or a researcher at Microsoft Research, Cambridge? Whetehr in the F# team, the Programming Principles and Tools group more generally, or as agent-at-large across all of Microsoft Research?  We’re starting to collect formal applications, and to schedule interviews for researcher and postdoc positions at Microsoft Research, in Cambridge. The applica

posted on February 14, 2014 by dsyme

Microsoft Research are accepting applications for internships at our research lab in Cambridge, UK, for internships in Summer 2014. Applicants must currently be pursuing a Masters or PhD in Computer Science. More details on applying can be found here:http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/jobs/intern/about_uk.aspx This year, I personally am particularly interested in sponsoring internship applic

posted on April 01, 2014 by dsyme

Faisal Waris has published a very interesting Experience Report on using F# on Android with the Xamarin tools. It is fabulous to again see independent confirmation of the value of F# in the mobile computing space. TL;DR: F# and Xamarin triumphed. I can’t imagine writing such a complex mobile app in another language. Instead of 6K, equivalent Java code would be in the 50K LOC range

posted on April 23, 2014 by dsyme

Starting with our experiments with integrating General Purpose GPU programming into F# at Microsoft Research, I've been watching the evolution of F# as a GPGPU programming platform. Over time, GPGPU programming with F# has become both more professionalized, and much more broad spectrum (including CUDA, OpenCL and other options). Some latest developments in this area have been: There wer

posted on April 17, 2014 by Visual FSharp Team [MSFT]

An F# meetup is starting up in the Los Angeles area! Tony Abell (@TonyAbell) has announced an informal "meet & greet" first meeting next Tuesday: If you would like to get involved, please register with the meetup and help spread the word! The Visual F# Team  

posted on May 06, 2014 by Visual FSharp Team [MSFT]

 A new F# meetup is starting in Portland, OR!  The first session is scheuled for Saturday, May 17, a Hands on Introduction to Machine Learning with F#. Mathias Brandewinder (@brandewinder on Twitter) has graciously agreed to lead a three hour dojo giving a practical, hands-on, experience with F# and functional programming. We will be writing a machine learning classifier that recogni

posted on May 06, 2014 by Visual FSharp Team [MSFT]

 Tomorrow night (Wednesday) in Silicon Valley, the Bay Area F# Meetup has an event What we do with F#: Show and Tell: Let's see how everyone else is using F#! This evening will be organized as a series of short talks (10 mins and 20 mins), focused on practical, real-life applications of F#. Current Speakers  Darren Platt, 3D Genome Viewer Dmitry Morozov, SQL Command Type Prov

posted on May 23, 2014 by Visual FSharp Team [MSFT]

  This week's post is a guest article writtten by Dmitry Sevastianov with help from Dmitry Morozov, two members of the F# community, about FSharp.Data.SqlClient, a fascinatingly simple and elegant technique to integrate T-SQL and F# in new ways, using the ever-awesome power of F# type providers. First, be warned - this post is NOT about LINQ! It is about how to do LINQ-like thi

posted on June 18, 2014 by Visual FSharp Team [MSFT]

The F# Open Engineering Group has an excellent new website and a blog post explaining How to Contribute to the F# Language, Compiler and Core Library Implementation, including impressive details on How you can contribute to the F# Language, Compiler and Core Library Why they currently ask you to work with us and send your contributions via the Visual F# Tools open source repository How y

 
sorry about the spam - happens when feeds are tweaked (one time)
 
@AshtonKJ Survey answered!
 
Thanks to all who have answered already. This is one of the reasons I love the F# community
 
Can anyone recommend a simple way to test isolation/reentrancy in Async computation expressions?
basically, I want to confirm/refute access to a mutable collection initialized in the main function of a MailboxProcessor, but before the recursive loop
 
7:56 PM
@AshtonKJ done. Results are biased for good reason, and "other" not included in stats. :P
 
@JeroldHaas Sorry, I don't understand?
 
I can't seem to make it blow up... but that could just be dumb luck
 
@pblasucci is the collection created inside the body of the MailboxProcessor? Or created externally, but initialized inside?
 
The results page doesn't show "Other," and the results are biased because of where you've posted it for people to submit to the survey, of course. It's not a bad thing @AshtonKJ just an observation.
 
@AshtonKJ It's "newed up" inside the the MBP
 
7:59 PM
@JeroldHaas that's ok. I wasn't aiming for a scientifically accurate survey. It's kind of a back of the napkin survey
 
@AshtonKJ of course. :)
 
@AshtonKJ All access to the collection is through messages posted to the MBP
 
@JeroldHaas it was more just to get some feedback and see if the idea had merit befor I decided to spike something out.
 
I think it's a good idea, but adoption / migration may be a challenge. I'm guessing that's why the survey @AshtonKJ
 
@pblasucci it shouldn't be visible outside the MBP then I would guess. As I understand the MBP will guarantee synchronous access to the collection, as it works off a queue.
 
8:02 PM
ah, okay
That's what I thought
but was unsure because I can prove that subsequent loops execute on different threads
 
@JeroldHaas we can always burn that bridge when we get there. :P Besides. If we add XMPP support or something similar then people don't need to move from their current chat client.
@pblasucci as far as I remember that is how it works. I have tried it with a couple of long running async processes and haven't been able to cause deadlocks and similar.
 
@AshtonKJ oh, well, if you're adding XMPP support then yay, by all means, it's a great idea!
 
@AshtonKJ Yeah. I've done likewise with similar results
 
@JeroldHaas so far my highly biased survey seems to suggest that people would be interested in something like this
 
Fragmentation is a major issue right now.
 
8:06 PM
yes
 
@JeroldHaas my wife who has studied stats and research would probably kill me if she saw my research methodology
 
As you can see from the stats, twitter is the major conduit, however, is a poor platform for discussion.
 
part of the issue is there hasn't been an easy, clean way to do this
so we're trying to survey something that people aren't necessarily familiar with
but it does seem like people are interested, at least conceptually
 
@ReedCopsey it's rather amusing that as soon as I learnt of F# I started searching for rooms on IRC servers et viola!
 
@ReedCopsey well, we can play with the idea. I can make a little toy project that we can put up to see how it works. It would of course be open source, so that it acts as a learning tool too.
 
8:08 PM
@JeroldHaas Yeah - IRC is just not very friendly, especially to people unused to it
 
@JeroldHaas IRC was nice. But most of the chat clients still feel so ... 1990
 
the clients are a pain, web front ends are horrible, etc
 
IRC has an organic nature with respect to forming community. I know, IRC is antiquated for younger types.
 
@ReedCopsey yes, and having to use things like Nickserv and Chanserv, etc.
 
(I was a big IRC user - many, many years ago ;) Would rather not sit running a client)
 
8:08 PM
I'm quite happy with consoles, however.
 
@JeroldHaas I used to love IRC. But it kind of died out on many of the servers I used to us
*use
 
@JeroldHaas I like messaging, notifications, persistence, etc
 
So far I think XMPP has the best features for modern needs.
 
@ReedCopsey I like the social network integration (SO, Github, etc).
Yes, I consider github a social network
That happens to have code
 
@AshtonKJ Yes - would love good social integration
 
8:10 PM
SocialCoding
 
Hello
 
The social aspects of coding are more important than ever
 
@ReedCopsey mainly it gets rid of the need to have things like Nickserv
Hi @alfa64
 
esp. since we write code for other people
 
@pblasucci yep. Pity about the machines that get in the way
 
8:11 PM
Shall I pop on to IRC and drop a link to the survey?
 
@JeroldHaas I'd disagree - mainly because it's difficult to do things like easily tweet a link to historical chat content (unless you're doing something to "publish" it elsewhere as well), etc
@JeroldHaas Yeah - would be nice to have it there, too
 
standby
 
@AshtonKJ :)
 
Posted.
"78 users in room."
 
Lovely. How many of them are active?
Last time I went on it was all just lurkers. :P
 
8:13 PM
Depends on time of day.
 
I think I am in the wrong timezone for this
 
I have a 2048 line backlog for my client.
<RonnieHolm> JHaas: There's already a chat client on fsharp.org. It's a Java IRC client :)
 
it's awful, though
 
Link?
 
8:16 PM
what about freenode's webchat?
 
Terrible.
 
that's what's linked on fsharp.org now
 
I hate web clients.
 
oh.
 
At least for IRC protocol.
 
8:16 PM
Yeah. It's still just IRC. We could do better :P
 
IRC logging/etc is pretty awful to use
 
Lets leave the survey up for a few days and see if the responses are different.
@ReedCopsey agreed. We can definitely do better. I like the SO way of doing things. But I don't like that it requires users to already be on SO.
 
is there anything better than ircbrowse.net/day/fsharp/today for seeing history on the IRC channel?
because that's near useless
@AshtonKJ Agreed - and don't like that you need rep to talk :(
those are my two gripes with SO chat
 
I think the chats could have a better history, more metadata, project specific channels, etc.
Also direct links to messages, possibly links to github issues so that they could be discussed on a project channel.
Those are a couple of my ideas.
Obviously I think it is something that is up for the community to decide. I just want there to be something better.
 
8:45 PM
Best answer to this question yet: What would you like from an F# chat server? A: irc
 
yeah -some of the IRC people like IRC
 
Old schoolers :P
 
9:13 PM
Nice - Managed to get FSharp.ViewModule working on Xamarin android emulators now :D
 
@ReedCopsey Very cool
 
yeah - basically replaced this (from a sample): github.com/xamarin/xamarin-forms-samples/blob/master/TipCalc/…
must say - I like my version better :p
 
Yeah. Definitely reads better
I'm curious, though... does this mean you're doing MVVM on Android?
 
yeah
with Xamarin Forms
this is a xamarin forms sample - I'm just porting across the underlying model to F# so I can test out FSharp.ViewModule on other platforms
 
I thought Android and iOS were more closely structured around MVC?
Ah, I see. Very cool stuff
 
9:17 PM
xamarin forms is xaml/mvvm based, and works across android, iOS, and Win Phone with 1 code base
it's very cool
 
Okay. I didn't realize that
That's very cool stuff
 
yeah - need to port FsXaml, too - at least the parts that make sense
(most of it wouldn't, but there are pieces that would be nice to have)
 
Even the C in MVC can benefit from data binding
 
True
Plus, something has to load XAML
 
worst case, you could still have the UI portion a C# project
with MVVM, it's pretty easy to get the underlying layers out of there, though
 
9:19 PM
I wonder if Xamarin are going to have a hard time selling MVVM to the iOS crowd
Also, I wonder if Xamarin.Forms is at least a partial attempt by MS at improving WP8's low number of apps
I have to say: it makes an awful lot of sense
 
well, I just figured I'd support it if I can from my libs
I love using them for my WPF development - it's so much nicer than any C# mvvm type library I've used
 
Agreed. That's very cool
I just did a quick little thing in C# WPF ... and the whole time I was grumbling about missing F#
:-)
 
why not F# WPF?
it's easy ;)
 
Ah, it's part of a presentation I'm giving in August. I needed some part of it to be in C# (to prove a point)
There's plenty of F# too... but I saved that for the more complex bits
 
9:26 PM
Unfortunately, we can't just tell people "F# is better"; we have to prove it to them.
:-)
 
yeah
well, 101 lines of code full of magic strings down to 26 without any is a nice improvement
(and its really 24, if I take out my extra comments :p )
 
Couldn't agree more. It's a thing of beauty
 
need to find a sample app (or come up with something good) that uses async stuff - because then it's even more obvious
 
yup
 
all of the async commanding support in there takes it to another level
 
9:33 PM
Plus, once you've got one or two compelling samples, folks start to take you lib and do really cool and surprising things with it
err... you => your
 
yeah - well, when F# power tools took it on, it really pushed the lib forward a lot
which was awesome -
ended up adding a lot of extra features in the async command support to handle clean cancelation, progress, etc
(plus the entire "progress framework" support for supporting a functional style progress notification)
 
Yes indeed. I keep meaning to go through the PowerTools code. I bet there's lots of goodies in there
:-)
 
need to find somebody who knows how the xamarin forms compile chain works... would be nice to be able to do this all in f# too
 
hmmm... Maybe Dave Thomas?
 
yeah - might try
 
9:43 PM
MVVM, data binding, XAML. I haven't dug too deeply, but they do seem to be terrible things :)
It is just a guess, but not unlikely - give it a couple of years and most apps will just HTML-based ..
 
hehehe
 
@toyvo Moving to HTML doesn't really obviate data binding
 
XAML is already a movement towards more of an HTML-esque (though very different) style of development
as it's separating out the layout from the logic
it's just tooled a bit more directly for things separate from a browser
though, I will say, I much prefer styling xaml to using CSS :S
 
@ReedCopsey really?
 
yeah - though I admit that's likely partially due to my experience level with it - but I kind of hate working with CSS
 
9:47 PM
I've always found (in WPF) XAML doesn't cascade as nicely
 
CSS/HTML is ugly - it's a case of worse-is-better
 
@toyvo @ReedCopsey agreed
No system is really very clean/pretty yet.
But we get closer with each iteration
Also, CSS gets waaay easier if you cheat w/ LESS
 
eww - so, xamarin's xaml loading is crap :p I must now port the XAML type provider across, since I can make it, using F#, actually (significantly) better than the C# versions :D
 
i've been working with SimonF on dataflow, can this be considered a form of data binding?
oh can't believe it, Simon just nuked the "source" button :)
let me look up the source
 
@toyvo COuld be... need source. ;-)
 
9:50 PM
I found it
 
@ReedCopsey Good. F# all the things
 
but yeah, that's actually very similar to how databinding works
in xaml type scenarios
 
main difference is you typically would have the reactive variables defined separately from the markup that's using it
 
right
which i don't think is a 100% great idea ;)
 
9:52 PM
really?
that's one of my favorite things about it - pushing everythign together couples the logic to the view/presentation
 
let me say this - I would favor a system that allows a continuum of separating things or using them together, and make refactoring very easy
 
well, that's what xaml does - it allows either option to work - but the most common usage separates them
 
ah, okay
 
You know, the one thing I really really like about the web, which I don't find on other platforms, is the immediate feedback
very hard, esp. on device GUIs, to poke the code and see what happens. Makes sorting out purely visual issues much more complicated when you can't
 
compared to? recompiling for Android or iOS?
 
9:55 PM
Yes
 
mm, yes
 
"View Page Source" is a huge win
 
the web could be a little /more/ immediate even
 
very true
 
websharper definitely so :) compile cycle a bit annoying currently
 
9:56 PM
@pblasucci On desktop, that's not so bad if you use things like Snoop
 
link?
 
Yeah. Snoop is decent
 
But it'd be nice if these things were "baked in"
 
I've heard Mole is better,too - but haven't used it
@pblasucci Agreed
 
9:58 PM
Yeah
My WPF is very limited these days
Mole wasn't a thing when I was doing a lot of WPF
In a similar vein, I really wish FSEye was just part of the standard tooling
 
fascinating stuff
these things seem to be tending a little bit in the SmallTalk direction
 
@toyvo Agreed
 
i never got SmallTalk, and the language seems not that interesting, but the self-adjusting environment idea.. at least in theory, no reason a JS environment could not work like that for example
 
Agreed
 
then you could connect your object browser / repl to the phone and keep hacking :)
 
10:02 PM
hehehe
That'd be awesome
 
when i get some free weekend time i'd like to look around for something like this
 
@toyvo Looking at your InputTransform sample - is there a way to have 2 inputs both be bound to the same thing, and either changes the other? (ideally with a conversion process in the middle)
just curious more than anything...
 
mm, i should try :)
in the abstract dataflow layer, there currently isn't much support for this; in fact we ask users not to create cylces
 
it seems like this is similar to binding, but with it being one way from input->variable, or view->display
but not both
 
10:17 PM
well, if a Var is bound to an Input, then either the application changes the var or the input changes the Var, so there is two directions there
if you bind the same Var to two inputs, this apparently works
but you're asking a transform, a bijection i guess, with 2 vars
is there a good/cool databinding example? i could learn from, what things people are expecting :)
we mostly sweated so far on Excel-like read-only layer on top of Var, Var<'T> -> View<'T>, View.Const, View.Map, View.Map2, View.Bind.. with no-leaks and no-glitches guarantees - no rocket science but pretty non-trivial
sounds like i should read up on seas.upenn.edu/~harmony
Boomerang, lenses, bidirectional programming..
 
10:53 PM
mm, probably way overkill :) will think about this more. thx!
 
@toyvo Sorry -was out for a bit - but I'd be happy to chat with you about it more at some point
 
Dumb q: does |> take the result of the previous |> as argument?
 
something |> foo bar baz is essentially just foo bar baz something
does that help?
so if you chain multiple ones together, you effectively get the result of the previous pushed into the next |> ... as the last argument
@JohanLarsson Since I know you're familiar with C# - one way you can think about it is almost like C# extension methods, except that the "this" parameter would be the last argument, not the first - and it works with any method (so much nicer)
 
ty ty
Wrote some F# today, felt old & dumb:)
#stuckoneveryline
 
in my case that doesn't require writing any F# ;)
 
11:01 PM
lol
 
Feel like it is time to make F# language #1 now.
2
 
@toyvo The other thing - is there a way to hook into changes on reactive variables? so you can know when the value's changed, etc?
 
11:14 PM
@Mathias Would it be worth to get the F# foundation properly represented on openhub.net/orgs (formerly ohloh)?
It's also one of the major data sets used for all these language statistics/comparisons. Most of its projects are there already.
 
@ReedCopsey sure - that's this View here - github.com/intellifactory/websharper.ui.next/blob/master/docs/…
and most usefully, you can construct DOM nodes out of Views (functions from your model kept in Vars)
 
11:46 PM
I really wish I felt like I Was over the curve on websharper
 
I'm gonna try Websharper this week I hope. Reed is selling it like crazy :)
 
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