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7:06 AM
@PeterWAWood How do I run all the tests using the binary Red version? (Sorry, I forgot the procedure...)
 
 
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8:30 AM
@DocKimbel rebol -qs tests/run-all.r --binary
If I remember correctly
Only the Red tests have binary option, not the Red/System tests.
 
@PeterWAWood You're right. I'm running the tests now.
 rebol -qs tests\run-all.r --binary red-27feb15-c36ed22.exe
Hmm, 1 error... :(
 
 
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11:03 AM
Oh, I used a wrong branch. All the tests in master branch are passed. :D
 
11:36 AM
cool! Then 0.5.1 is done, right?
 
11:58 AM
Programs compile with the new version, even compiling twice is now allowed. Only wait is for a blog entry as long as from Beijing to Paris.
 
 
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1:57 PM
@Sonny Should map! keys be case sensitive?

As words are not case sensitive, won't this lead to inconsistencies, such as:

b: [a 1234]
@Sonny Should map! keys be case sensitive?

As words are not case sensitive, won't this lead to inconsistencies, such as:

b: [a 1234]
b/A -> 1234

m: map [a 1234]
m/A -> none

map! keys are case insensitive in Rebol 3
 
2:32 PM
@PeterWAWood I'd significantly prefer if map! keys were case sensitive in R3.
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In general, I am strongly convinced that map! should be case-sensitive. Making it case-insensitive robs it of most its utility.
Especially so for string! keys.
Words are case-preserving, so theoretically we could go either way (make an exception for words and have them case-insensitive, or just have them case-sensitive in map!s as all the other types).
 
@earl Absolutely, I agree, map! needs to be case-sensitive.
 
2:59 PM
@earl I am more advocating consistency ... perhaps words should be case sensitive?
 
case sensitive words = road to hell imo ....
 
I don't have much problem with word! keys being case-insensitive, but string! and char! keys definitely should have been case-sensitive in map! by default in R3 from the start... IMO.
Unless I'm missing something, if map!s keys are case-sensitive, and you want them to be case-insensitive, you just have to add a bit of code. But if map!s keys are case-insensitive (as in the current unfortunate situation with R3), and you need them to be case-sensitive, it's almost impossible to use map! except with awkward workarounds like converting string! keys to binary! keys.
 
3:16 PM
@PeterWAWood I think map! is one case where consistency is a slightly less herring, under-appreciating the use cases for map!.
Further, we also have "strict" comparison operators which respect case, so a case-sensitive map! is perfectly consistent with those.
Like 'a == 'A (which is false).
 
@earl True but we don't have case insensitive versions of Find, Select, Path, etc.
case sensitive !!!
 
@PeterWAWood For the first two, sure: FIND/case and SELECT/case.
The problem is: case-insensitive map! is rather useless. So if you want to really make that consistency argument, the only real conclusion is to drop map! altogether.
 
@earl Please don't do that!
 
So the challenge I see is: how can we retain the full utility of a case-sensitive map! and unite that with the rest of the (by default case-ignorant but -preserving) language.
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3:31 PM
@earl No the alternative is to have word case sensitive :-)
 
@PeterWAWood Another alternative, right, but I fear that's not even debatable in Rebol-land :)
 
3:42 PM
:21819026:-( Case insensitivity seems a bit of a dated concept in a Unicode "world" and much more difficult to implement.

Is 'â = 'Â ?
The answer is no in Red but yes in Rebol3
 
@PeterWAWood Agreed on all points. But I think that in a Unicode-world, case-insensitivity should most likely be "equal after case folding".
 
Anyway, I'm sure that @dockimbel will most likely take a pragmatic approach and stay with word ASCII case insensitivity and map! key case sensitivity.
 
@PeterWAWood Carl put a considerable amount of effort into implementing case-insensitivity with Unicode in Rebol without importing any libraries. It would be a shame to discard that work out-of-hand.
 
4:45 PM
@pekr +1
 

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