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12:50 AM
I met an edge case at https://stackoverflow.com/q/78383944/3702797.
Is there an already set policy for questions asking about which version of an engine (here browsers) support an ongoing feature proposal? The thing is answers written today will be out of date tomorrow, they thus imply answerers to come back until the feature is stable. I'd be tempted to close it, but none of the close reasons seem to fit, and technically I think it's "on-topic". In the old days I may have chosen "too broad" but it doesn't really require more details or clarification.
 
1:23 AM
@Kaiido Are questions like "Does X support Y yet?" or "Which X supports Y today?" ever OK? is directly on point, but quite old and the answer doesn't exactly fit...especially in that it references a close reason that no longer exists.
 
@RyanM thanks, I forgot to look at the old meta questions in meta.se
I agree with the points that are made there, but indeed I'm still not sure how to handle it today. Should I ask the community about it? Or should I just pick the least bad reason and explain to the asker why I voted to close?
 
It's a reasonable Meta SO question if you ask me
 
...This will take me more time than expected, but ok.
 
 
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Thanks for closing stackoverflow.com/q/78381631/2943403 @Dharman I couldn't quite convince myself of any one dupe that was adequate.
 
 
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jps
6:02 AM
^^spam closed as "not about programming :(
 
I like it when spam gets closed AND nuked.
 
jps
I like it even more when people recognize spam as spam
and don't close it like a normal OT question
 
What do you think of "I'm voting to close this question because spam."
 
jps
waste of time, just flag!
4 flags -> job done
 
These days, I only VTC spam if there are already 2 CVs already, otherwise, waste of time and CVs. And then I flag it either way.
And I don't VTC spam with the custom reason "spam" anymore because it might send people the wrong message.
 
jps
6:06 AM
@CPlus When i see votes on spam and such comments i comment back to tell people to flag. I never vote on spam.
@CPlus correct
 
@jps What about downvoting spam?
 
jps
If it makes you happy ;) I don't downvote, I don't closevote, just flag
 
Fair enough
 
jps
I like it most when I see a spam post getting deleted with 4 views and a score of -4. Then everyone did the right thing and flagged it (because the flag already causes a -1)
 
I like it when Smoke Detector's autoflags, before the flag threshold was lowered to 4, would cast >= 4 spam flags, and then, shortly after the threshold was lowered, but before Smoke Detector changed the autoflags accordingly, I really liked seeing spam posts get nuked without human intervention.
But of course, only when the post was actually spam, and the results could be catastrophic for false positives. But I saw this once on a real spam post and it was satisfying.
 
jps
6:25 AM
I think the autoflagging only works when the spam website is already blacklisted. I the case above, I don't even see an SD report.
 
Should have done !!/report
 
Yeah, both those last two posts should have been reported to ensure the websites end up getting watched
 
jps
@Nick I just added the website and user from the "personal assistant" spam to the blacklist on charcoalHQ
 
6:41 AM
thanks - I approved your PR :)
 
jps
Thanks :)
 
 
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jps
11:28 AM
@GertArnold IMHO a questions about programming tools are on-topic
 
11:47 AM
@GertArnold I think that is a question about configuring the look and feel of a tool used by developers in a development context. As such I feel the question is on-topic.
 
@rene We will probably never agree on how wide we paint the gray area. I also think that questions on programming tools are on-topic, but IMO only when it's about how to program, for example which plugins to install into visual studio (code) to do web development. I think styling is hardly interesting for the broader community.
 
sorry, the last del-pls was invalid because the question can't be deleted as long as it has duplicate of its own
 
@GertArnold That is also a fair point to have. What shade of gray are you on?
 
@rene I don't like gray :)
 
Don't tell Cody ...
 
11:52 AM
OMG!
 
:D
 
12:12 PM
Is this 50 Shades of Cody?
 
1:13 PM
^ Probably not spam but a dead link.
Btw why can't I flag as VLQ any longer? Was there some changes to flagging that I'm unaware of?
 
1:26 PM
I can VLQ flag questions but not answers. How does that make sense?
 
@Lundin they made changes a few years back. AFAIK nothing recent. If you wanted to VLQ the post you linked to, the reason you can't is that it is more that 3? (can't remember the actual period) days old
It's 7 days from the time of posting. After that VLQ is no longer an option
 
@NathanOliver I tried to flag something new earlier today but noticed I couldn't either. Looking at my flagging history I flagged an answer as VLQ as late as April 11th this year.
 
@Lundin I think score is also a factor. I'm trying to find the post on the changes
 
@NathanOliver Ah yeah could be why. So even if I downvote something I might still not be able to flag if the overall score is positive.
 
1:33 PM
@NathanOliver Thanks. So the post I tried to flag earlier probably had positive score and the one reported by Smokey above was much older than 7 days.
 
2:00 PM
@Cow It's not asking for off-site resources it's asking for help designing the state. It might missing the necessary details to do so though.
 
Cow
@cafce25 As someone new to Redux/RTK, I'm open to any advice or recommendations on the best approach to handle this data structure efficiently.
 
Sounds more like Opinion based
recommendations could be just code, not libraries
 
@Cow I recommend you carefully reconsider what an off-site resource is. (see what I did there?)
 
Cow
Ok, in the end it doesn't matter for me since I'm under 3K reputation and my vote doesn't count, but I'll try to reconsider
4974 helpful flags, I'm almost there.
59% helpful spam/rude or abusive flags
 
Holy heck, the timeline on this one: stackoverflow.com/posts/11078259/timeline
3
 
Cow
2:06 PM
@GeneralGrievance lol
 
2:21 PM
@GeneralGrievance holy crap
 
@Cow :O
 
2:59 PM
@aynber What did it say? Now deleted.
 
@CPlus Just a large amount of spam edits over the years
 
@CPlus The answer also had 4 spam edit attempts.
 
@aynber I remember one post that got closed, and got like a dozen of spam suggested edits in the course of a day.
 
@CPlus I don't suppose it's still around?
 
Naw. And even if it were, I don't think I would have an easy time finding it.
 
3:06 PM
Probably a good thing.
 
Also I find it funny looking at the timeline of the sorted vs unsorted array answer, and seeing a bunch of 'Suggested edits completed reject x2' or even 'Suggested edits completed reject x1"
 
I just found that one while looking at Discussion spammers' activity on actual SO.
 
dbc
4:02 PM
Is this an answer?
 
@dbc I can't see at all how it answers the question. At best it says "it's possible". But I'm pretty sure it's actually trying to ask a "how".
 
Cow
@dbc yeah I don't think so
 
Although maybe? If I squint enough it might be a "it's possible". But doesn't specify how.
 
dbc
I know right? I also squinted and decided that, absent knowing PHP, I was unsure.
 
Cow
Don't squint too hard @VLAZ
something might eject
 
4:07 PM
I know some PHP but doesn't really help me. The answer both says it's possible and then asks how to fix the bug. And the thing that it says is possible does seem like a bug because it swaps some letters.
 
@dbc It doesn't match the question at all
 
4:27 PM
@dbc I don't know how people are detecting chatgpt on a code-only answer in the first place. it looks to me like code I can easily imagine a coworker producing, if I were somehow stuck in the kind of place that uses VB to generate Powerpoint slides, which would probably also be the sort of place that couldn't come up with a more intelligent way to do it (or perhaps has perverse "paid by the line" incentives to do it this way)
Not sure what the profile link is supposed to accomplish, since this is a new user.
 
@dbc Part of the problem is that ChatGPT is now using past chat history to create its answers, so it could be the result of something from a previous prompt.
I can't tell you if that one is or is not from ChatGPT, but we're definitely going to start seeing more ChatGPT answers that have "unexplainable" stuff in them from elsewhere in the user's chat history.
 
dbc
Aren't we always supposed to put the profile link? Everyone else always does, so I do to. (Like using turn signals on an intersection on a deserted country road; one does it out of habit.)
 
@dbc Technically, even the userscript shouldn't be putting the profile link.
I asked about that a few years ago.
 
5:30 PM
@NotTheDr01ds wait, you do mean individual chat history on a per-user basis, right? It isn't trying to continue "learning" globally?
 
@KarlKnechtel That's correct - It uses each user's chat history individually now when answering future questions from that user. You can disable it (and I have), but most users won't.
Actually, ChatGPT has always used an opt-out system for using prompts to train future global models. That setting is also on by default.
I'm guessing the "per user" is an embedding, vs. the global is future training/refinement of the model (e.g. quarterly releases).
 
 
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