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6:53 AM
Morning \o
 
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8:04 AM
Does anyone know of a valid close reason for this? stackoverflow.com/questions/44064610/…
> "I have to add white space the end of the value. Is it possible in javascript?"
 
yeah.... probably hard to also find a good dupe...
 
And it's answered
By a 80k rep user
Hah, found a dupe.
titled: "How do I concatenate a string with a variable?"
 
Yeah it needs that, hmm I checked that to, did not seem good.
 
This answer in there is decent.
 
8:42 AM
Plop!
 
@Kyll Closing a bunch of 4-cv'd questions...
 
@Cerbrus Let me get to some 3-cv for you then
 
yay teamwork
 
@EJoshuaS Active 6 months ago, not much point in bringing it to the room (why close it fast if it's inactive?). Leave it to the queue next time.
 
Where do I see how many votes I have left?
 
8:49 AM
In the CV dialogue?
Next to the button
 
right
Oh, yea... I knew that -.-
 
....
@TylerH Could you check again? It's still lacking HTML code but was answered nonetheless. Is the HTML structure guessable enough?
 
looks like all the c:(4) are gone now
 
Yeah, reviewing the c:3
Looks like Bugs' on it too
 
let me chim in as well
 
8:55 AM
yeah but take the c:2 then
Otherwise there be collisions
@Cerbrus c:3 done. Waiting for new wave from @Petter
 
I'm hitting cv 1,2 you can run the script
 
@EJoshuaS Same as before - No need to cv-pls old stuff, unless it's attracting some kind of new attention (edits, lots of references as dupe, etc)
 
:(, that was not much
 
T'was a trash, not a sweep
 
Yeah there not much stuff at cv4...
 
9:03 AM
Well moving on to cv:2 then
 
@Kyll at least it's only 1 page... :)
 
Half a page actually, we just burned through a page and a half it seems
 
arrg somone is filling it again :D
 
can't participate to the burn effort, no close votes
 
goes to rob out the coffee maker machine
 
9:11 AM
@Kyll ooh yeah
 
So that's 78 requests moved this morning
 
@suraj race condition of autocomment adding : D
 
@dur There's been edits to this question. Is it still too broad?
@JanDvorak Seems fine, if extremely basic...
 
dur
@Kyll: Thanks, I retracted my vote. Could you remove the cv?
 
What is not to be understood about foo = foo + bar?
 
9:17 AM
@dur Sure
Thanks for that too
@JanDvorak What does it mean?
I mean I can understand the confusion from a newbie. Yes, it's useless, but doesn't seem to have a scope issue.
 
do you want = explained, or + ?
 
@JanDvorak That's picky. Explain the whole expression, not every single character making it.
 
@JanDvorak idk, it seems like a poor question, but something that can certainly be answered. A downvote may be warranted, but not a close vote
 
or should I explain what = does, what + does, and that yes, you can use the same variable at both sides of the assignment?
 
See answer from FrankerZ yeah
@JanDvorak For example
 
9:20 AM
I don't think FrankerZ really explains what the line does, only what it's for.
 
Then post your own answer... There's no scope issue in extremely basic questions.
 
> what is the best way to get started with StyleCop? Are there any set of recommended rules to use (except from Microsoft)?
TB / TR
 
does OP want to explain what that line means on its own, or how it interacts with the rest? There will be three different interpretations of the question in three different answers if I post my own - which is exactly what cv-unclear tries to prevent
 
:37185588 =p
 
9:22 AM
@Kyll +=p
 
@kayess p is not defined.
 
@Kyll Left hand variable is missing, syntax error.
 
Poor guy. @JanDvorak I've updated my answer a bit. Tried to break down the loops so he could understand what is happening. I think that would have explained it best.
 
@Kyll I really don't think that voters would like this as an answer
 
@JanDvorak OP wants understanding of what that lines mean. Which angle you chose to tackle the problem is your own choice. Having multiple possible, valid answers does not make something unclear or TB
@FrankerZ I'd use "iteration" instead of "loop" though, but it may be confusing for a newbie
 
9:24 AM
the answers make a guess at what the question is asking
I want that bit clarified.
 
I'd agree that knowing what OP understands so far would be useful. Commenting then.
 
Does the asker want the meaning of that line per se, or does he know what it does per se but not how it interacts with the rest of the code?
If it's the latter, what knowledge is he missing?
 
@Kyll Iteration to me is more difficult than loop. Feel free to make an edit. I'll approve it
 
@FrankerZ Yeah well so not particularly suited for a newbie Q
 
@FrankerZ show him how to use some LINQ providers then : )
 
9:27 AM
Are you saying that it still counts as clear despite that there are things that need to be clarified?
 
Whoops
sd kk
 
@JanDvorak It feels clear enough for good answers to be generated.
 
Despite that I don't know what he wants my answer to contain?
 
And clarification provided and edited in
@JanDvorak You can take a decent enough guess on this one. I'm not saying it applies well everywhere but for newbie Qs (or this one at least) it was fairly obvious.
 
ooh, so he was asking about the difference between foo = foo + bar and foo + bar alone. I believe that's a dupe then. Also, I believe that @FrankerZ's answer doesn't explain the difference.
 
9:33 AM
Meh. I'm done getting worked up over this clearly bad question
 
@Kyll And yet FrankerZ's decent guess didn't seem to quite align with what the question actually wanted to know.
 
@JanDvorak It does, by replacing the variable names with actual values it is clear what is going on.
@JanDvorak Find the dupe then
 
@Kyll for what benefit?
 
That's indeed way more than enough for one post. Moving on.
@JanDvorak Future readers, as usual
 
I hope you guys just won't start agreeing else we could just close the doors here
 
9:34 AM
?
 
@kayess 154.
 
@Kyll 155.
 
@kayess Nope, still 154. Would have to downvote for 155.
 
Could someone explain me @kayess's comment?
 
@Kyll Well that's one byte off
 
9:36 AM
@JanDvorak He's enjoying the show
@kayess How so?
 
@Kyll because 155 minus one byte is 154
 
@kayess I didn't know you could substract bytes to rep
 
OK... where does 154 come from?
 
@Kyll :>
 
@JanDvorak The amount of rep kayess needs to earn to have close votes privileges
 
9:37 AM
Oh
 
@Kyll and yeah you are right : (
 
may I return to the topic of the purpose of closing as unclear?
I do agree that the edit made question ... answerable.
 
Let me do that before we move on then - Yes, the question lacked clarifications about what exactly was understood and what was not. Despite this, there was enough information provided to give a decent explanation of the code so future readers can better understand this kind of statement. I'd argue it's a borderline case, worthy of attention but not necessarily of closing.
 
Thanks for the explanation.
 
Get to the Ministry if you wish to chat further of this, it's getting lengthy for this room
 
9:43 AM
I'm willing to take a break from the topic
 
I feel like that too ^^
 
Morning.
What did I miss?
 
1693...
Go get some rep >.>
 
a question where it wasn't exactly clear what the OP wanted, but what was there was enough to ... generate answers that might be useful
 
@JanDvorak Thanks
 
9:48 AM
Did I explain it right? :-D
 
Purrfect
Also a coordinated cv-pls swipe
 
@Kyll 4517
 
@PetterFriberg shhh
 
@Kyll 1307 ô.ô
 
@Seth To 3000 =p
 
@JanDvorak What is the best way to create an empty object. feels POB. It also feels too broad to be honest. I would have to say yes it is closeworthy
 
But ... it can generate useful answers
 
Nah, TB. Pros and cons how? Performance-wise? Readability? Reusability of objects? Memory use? etc
 
Voted
 
@JanDvorak Yeah but this time probably too many and too different
 
10:11 AM
@Kyll That seems really hard to judge
 
@JanDvorak It is yeah. I don't see useful answers arising from that though
 
I guess I just shouldn't feel bad when a CV-pls I post gets disputed :-)
 
Also POB potential due to readability
@JanDvorak Nah, don't worry. I actually enjoy the fact that we can discuss easily about it
 
@Kyll Ah :D
 
Thanks :-)
 
10:48 AM
 
@PetterFriberg NAA'd
 
Yeep, but I pinged Jarrod to show him, maybe he was interested and/or see a way to improve answer if needed
 
11:30 AM
Morning
 
Morn
@AlonEitan That's def an off-site resource
 
@NathanOliver o/ afternoon
 
@FrankerZ Yup. sorry. At least it's gone now
 
@Bugs I don't think that's an off-site resource. This can easily be done in code, and doesn't necessarily need to involve a 3rd-party library
 
11:44 AM
@FrankerZ In that case too broad. I read it as request for other resources due to the way the OP has tried other resources. It would make sense that they are still looking.
 
@SmokeDetector Edited question also
 
@Bugs Those other resources are internal functions to the language. I don't believe those would be considered external resources.
 
@FrankerZ Hmm I can see your point but I'm not convinced that the question is on topic
 
Guys, is there a valid close reason for "explain this code to me" topics?
I've got one here with 10 answers in 16 minutes...
 
12:00 PM
I answered that one...heh
 
It's extemely basic...
Maybe the "looking for a tutorial" reason applies...
Yea
 
> It'd be great if someone gave me an elaborated explanation.
^ TB / Unclear
 
Closed
 
In the end OP stated that they didn't understand '0123456789ABCDEF'.split('')
Which would have been fine as its own stand-alone question, here it's no MCVE also.
 
12:02 PM
Just needs 2 more delete-votes
 
So brutal
 
We need mortal combat's "Fatality" sound effects when questions get closed / deleted
 
Commented
Don't forget to assist OP and answerers too
 
@Kyll we could, yes.
But luckily, comments aren't mandatory with close-votes
 
I did comment on the question and code-only answers
 
12:06 PM
Those code-only answers have an explanation in comments in the code
 
Ah, didn't spot it, ty
 
12:22 PM
Variable assignment isn't working: allowDial === true;
duh
 
12:44 PM
(See answer: $(.'x') vs $('.x'))
Answer's got 4 upvotes already -.-
 
sigh
 
is an answer VLQ if it has image of code rather than the code itself? Or just downvote ?
 
Personally I would downvote, the answer can still be seen even if you have to type it out rather than copying and pasting. I'd leave a comment
 
agree
 
alright thanks
 
12:59 PM
oh ffs
That typo answer is now at +6
 
@Cerbrus wth
 
@suraj or edit it ;)
 
No need .. The poster edited it once I downvoted..
It could be edited if it were a matter of a couple of lines.. And we dont really edit if it were a question ..
 
just saying, you need ton's of energy and the answer needs to really valuable... and those two don't happen that often together.
 
oh well.. it doesnt happen as often so I guess it is not really an issue
 
@NathanOliver I would say yes it's a no repro
 
user177800
1:48 PM
@PetterFriberg sad, as the question is not even a valid one, a queue will guarantee order, duh.
 
Is this off-topic? 23 upvotes, but IMO, this would better fit to ServerFault
 
@FelixSFD Yep
 
Thanks
 
 
2:38 PM
@Enzokie Dang, no more votes
 
@Kyll not even del votes ;)
 
@Kyll In my opinion no, you have to make too many assumptions
while it's certainly possible to assume correctly, it's not the expectation for questions to make answerers assume key details
 
@TylerH K then. Would vote, can't
 
:37193038 why'd you remove it?
 
someone already posted it
came in to check because I say kyll's comments, figured you were already dealing with it
 
2:53 PM
Yup, ty
 
ah
 
Well... Better go read the help center again.
 
sorry I am a bit frustrated
 
hiya @Tim
 
\o kayess
 
2:55 PM
@TimCastelijns I can guess why, no problem =)
 
@Kyll Im really sorry cant help yet, I need 200+ more reps :(
 
263 then...
 
^
 
@Nathan Feel like betting? Who of @kayess or @Enzokie gets close votes first.
 
O_O
 
2:56 PM
Gotta spice up the job.
 
@Kyll I'm going with the long shot and picking Community ;)
 
question closed, 2 del votes & deleted
 
@NathanOliver Heh
 
@TimCastelijns I didn't realize you had hit 20k already.
Congrats on the milestone
 
yeah in january. Thanks
I don't contribute much these days
 
2:59 PM
While the other Tim is struggling :)
 
which one?
 
I expect it that you will forget that guy :) nvm that
 
yeah link user profile in chat :D, Kyll will be so happy
 
I forget many things
it comes with the age
 
or the alcohol
 
3:02 PM
No worries, I cant find him anymore. Maybe 2 tims cant exists in the same timeline.
 
@PetterFriberg sorry I didn't get back to you about princess
 
Now even my flags have close vote privileges. No more excuses @kayess @Enzokie @Seth!
 
grats :)
lel
 
lol. Congrats
 
3:17 PM
Does this look like an attempted spam where they forgot to include the reference links? stackoverflow.com/a/44073537
 
@PaulRoub yes
 
Weird, flagging something as spam when there's no links
 
Is an attempted spam should be flagged as spam or other else?
 
Well, some already get this treatment anyway
 
we also report gibberish posts, though. I flagged as VLQ.
 
3:19 PM
@Enzokie Or rude, as you wish really
 
ok I see
 
@Kyll Closing on in to 2500 ! Merry 3k helpful flags day though !
 
@kayess Thanks. Go answer stuff now.
 
4:38 PM
@TimCastelijns np Tim, I took the quickest way and created a new account :D
 
 
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6:08 PM
I was just about to ask if my comment was too harsh when a mod stepped in ...
 
6:22 PM
is that spam?
 
Given the last "paragraph"...
 
6:57 PM
Hello!
 
o/
 
7:08 PM
\o
 
the misleading link looks like a copy/paste fail
 
7:23 PM
@PetterFriberg let me know what you think about those graphs
 
@FireAlarm sigh...Google Translate:
> Do you know how to design a nice office

> Beautiful office design depends on factors such as space and interior decoration
 
@gunr2171 if it's easy to get out graph and also have user data, I would post amount of cv-pls request done by regulars...
 
sure, you just need to define "regular"
 
remove all random folks by hand that can be upset, do an evaluation of which user is a regular and don't mind to be in graph
 
7:29 PM
let's see if I can do something like "have more than 400 messages in that month"
 
Yeah it needs to be scaled towards presence
 
and I have all the json files if someone wants to do their own analysis
we need to hire someone from the R chat room for this project...
 
@PetterFriberg Only the bots are meeting that criteria ...
 
lol, you need to hire Axeman
 
@gunr2171 I know this site where you can dump a dataset and they will do all your work ...
 
7:32 PM
Stack Overflow?
 
You already heard of it? Good!
 
no, wait, Meta Stack Overflow
 
The idea would to give a number what regular pass, hence new user can have a guideline.
 
Yeah, meta is for these weird feature when you're banned or so.
 
wondering who the winner is in the last graph, first bar
 
7:35 PM
@PetterFriberg yeah, it's been hard to define what a "regular" was. hence the odd rules for what was needed to be part of the SO Teams page
Apr 14 '16 at 19:54, by gunr2171
We've ignored maintaining the Teams page, sorry about that. If you have been around for at least 3 months and have 2k messages you can request access to join. Please let the RO's do the approving.
 
@PetterFriberg 6 to 8?
 
@PetterFriberg I'll give you a hint: :D
 
@gunr2171 Yeah unforntuantly I don't think RO is a good measure, you pass very few, since you try to keep requests clean ;)
@rene or 42
 
eeeew
 
oh wait, I was thinking of someone else, bad hint. #1 is Machavity at 149
 
7:41 PM
149/28 = 6-8 (+7)
 
feb has 28 days
 
Go for a graph max cv-pls sent a day per user (if you are having fun)... ignore all below 3..
 
ok, give me a bit
 
please just flag comments, OP is out of controll, mod arriving
 
we might need to flag here too
in SOBotics, 16 secs ago, by Bhargav Rao
Taken care of
 
8:00 PM
@PetterFriberg here you are
2
 
@gunr2171 wow, yeah nice, some data to reflect on...
 
8:48 PM
\o @dorukayhan
 
8:59 PM
@dorukayhan With a [cv-pls] request, please provide an actual close reason (i.e. one of the reasons selectable through the close dialog). It's fine to provide additional info, particularly if it's information that helps people quickly evaluate the question (e.g. which code block/line to look in for a typo, a comment made by the OP, debugging (no MCVE) w/ no code at all, etc.). However, each request should include the actual close reason(s) under which you believe the question should be closed.
 
@Makyen I think he meant to use the "No MCVE" close reason by saying "debugging help"
I do agree for the one below that though.
Thanks for taking action =D
 
@gunr2171 149 what? Did I win the SOCVR raffle or something? :P
 
you must mean SOCVR waffle
 
@Machavity Yeah, they will send you a t-shirt and some other nice swag
 
in 6 to 8 weeks...
 
9:10 PM
@PetterFriberg You mean I get my very own SOCVR shredder?
 
Nope that goes to @AshishAhuja
 
9:23 PM
If I come across a question where the OP edited his final answer into the question itself, but the question is from 2012, should I just leave it?
(This one: http://stackoverflow.com/q/10703513/5764553)
 
That's a tough one.., maybe he even got votes for it (on question for answer)... you could extract answer, make a wiki answer, but yeah it would maybe be nice with link in question to op answer. Maybe it would make a nice meta question to understand what community thinks in these cases
 
I wish the OP would put the stuff in an answer himself so that it would be credited properly
 
@AndrewMyers I see OP still active (yestarday), maybe try to ping hm
 
Ping him here?
 
no on question, pass comment on question
 
9:28 PM
Ah, I see
 
I can get some meta for you about that answer goes in answer
 
@AndrewMyers What I do if OP is inactive (never seen since, or doesn't answer to a comment) is edit out the solution and post it into a wiki answer.
 
Yeah, I should have searched on meta first (embarrassed emoji, which I can't remember)
 
@PetterFriberg I remember seeing OP in this room too
Nvm, same avatar.
 
Yeah but you would need mod to super ping, just leave a comment on answer, with link to meta
 
9:35 PM
If you don't leave a chat room manually, can't you get pinged still?
 
@AndrewMyers for 2 weeks or something
 
@AndrewMyers Even if you leave it, you can be pinged for a week IIRC
 
@AndrewMyers well it was an interesting situation since the question seems to have been upvoted because of the answer, hence if answer is moved it will restart at 0... so yeah you would at least need a comment under question explaining this, anyway ping OP and lets see
 
Oh, great. Now I'm at your mercy for the next week
What do you mean by restarting at 0?
 
Yeah expect a ping every 8h, right @Kyll
 
9:38 PM
bites @Petter
 
@AndrewMyers The answer if moved will not have votes...
 
@AndrewMyers Heh, don't worry. We generally only ping when there's been some kind of update involving you (like an edit on a cv-pls'ed question)
 
so if I come to question now, it seems like his answer is good, after it's moved it will seem like bad...
 
Oh, I see. You're talking about where it would sit among the other answers. I was thinking about reputation
 
na don't care about rep, just care about making SO good for other users
but I think for now leave a comment to OP
 
9:40 PM
@Kyll ...It's been months since I edited a question.... I'm trying to quit editing bad questions...
 
if no response move to wiki and leave a comment under question, explaining the situation
 
@AndrewMyers I meant, if you post a cv-pls to a question but then someone edited it, maybe making it on-topic. See also what @Yam does
@PetterFriberg Yus
Move to wiki answer, leaving a note on the question
 
 
2 hours later…
11:43 PM
Is this LQP?
 
> but in essence: set the max-height property
it's an answer, at least
 
I chided him for not voting to Dupe. Will leave it be
 

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