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user4639281
12:03 AM
Just made a "You kids get off my lawn!" joke on meta.
 
user4639281
1:22 AM
@FOX9000 reject and edited
 
@TinyGiant Can I haz smokey feedback rights?
 
user4639281
I don't see why not, I'll make a pull request
 
Nice, thanks. Gotta serve them bots. :)
 
user1593881
@Queen commands
 
@RawN These are available commands in this room see also quick guide for usage.
Guest
    api-quota - Get the current api quota
    commands - Display this list
    help - Display information about the chat bot
Reviewer
    remove - Remove last message or message replied to
    report url to comment - Report an offensive comment
    test Text that you like to test - Test a comment
Hammer
    k - Confirm that possible duplicate is closed
    list tags - List all tags available for opt-in in room
    f <wl> - Indicate as non duplicate if wl add also to white list
    opt-in [tag] - Add yourself to duplication notifications in tag of choice
 
user4639281
1:37 AM
@BaummitAugen I submitted a pull request, someone should approve it shortly if there are no issues.
 
user1593881
What are the Hatman bot commands if any?
 
user4639281
Hatman is only in SOBotics IIRC. I believe that saying 'hatman commands' should return a list of commanfs
 
1:55 AM
JAL passed a audit!
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I didn't see contributor on github, where did you find him?
 
@Baum You're privileged now!
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@BaummitAugen Yes, you are a privileged user.
 
@NobodyNada Thanks!
 
2:15 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I went to the github link for the library, looked through the contributors list and found our OP.
Different name, but same picture as his profile picture.
 
Bloody hell, what's wrong with this q?
 
Did you before or after winding answered?
SmokeDetector's posts to check are queued, so there's a bit of delay before they're reported
 
@NobodyNada Shorty after, but would have anyways.
Two shitty answer attempts already.
 
@BaummitAugen Most likely, the answer bumped the question, so you saw it sooner
 
@NobodyNada I watch , that's where I saw it.
 
2:24 AM
right, but active or new posts?
 
New. Q is 8 mins old.
 
2:44 AM
Morning
 
@NobodyNada why are you running FireAlarm in the testing facility? Are there any problems with it?
 
@AshishAhuja It's running there as a test; the ROs are considering running it in this room
 
oh awesome!
so is it going to be posting all reports or above a new threshold?
 
2:48 AM
@AshishAhuja yeah; thanks!
@AshishAhuja that's still undecided. For now, all reports; if the ROs say it's posting too much, I'll lower the threshold
 
ah okay.
now need to go for breakfast, will be back later
 
I have to go; see you tomorrow!
 
back
 
3:11 AM
Bye all! o/
 
@BaummitAugen cya
 
3:48 AM
have you flagged?
 
user3956566
@StephenLeppik take that to meta and call out the editors who approved all those
 
JAL
Hey @StephenLeppik, nice to see you in here
 
user3956566
@JAL 97
 
JAL
@YvetteColomb you're close!
I haven't been flagging too much lately, just waving around by gold hammer :)
 
user3956566
so close :D
 
JAL
3:57 AM
:)
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
I have to go out, if someone can talk to him. He's still making them
 
JAL
cya
 
Hi @jainishkapadia, you have been making several poor suggested edits on the site
 
4:08 AM
sry how can you say like this?
 
@jainishkapadia Firstly, you should not be adding signatures like 'please' and 'thank you in advance' to questions.
@jainishkapadia In fact, there is general consensus on meta to remove such fluff meta.stackoverflow.com/q/260776
@jainishkapadia Secondly, you are adding code blocks unnecessarily to key terms, like URLs, products, brand names, and error messages, just to name a few examples.
 
4:31 AM
ok thanks for letting me know, will keep in mind now onwards. :)
If i can see any spelling mistakes, or code was not posted with proper format, so that kind of edit question, i can do na??
 
@jainishkapadia Yes, however please avoid making minor changes. Try to improve the question/answer as a whole (including title).
 
Alright cool.
 
5:05 AM
Hello
@Yvette Colomb
can you please remove your comment from this url
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42099716/switching-between-browser-windows-using-selenium-webdriver/42103941#42103941
 
@Daedalus You should only post [cv-pls] requests for Stack Overflow itself. FAQ
 
@NisseEngström That explains why there isn't code in the script to do that; are meta close votes even patrolled?
Sorry there.
 
5:27 AM
@Daedalus Don't think so. There are plenty of users active on Meta and not too many posts, so there's probably no need.
 
@NisseEngström Alright. Sorry again there.
 
cc @Sam once that one ^ is gone, only will remain, w/ 319 questions
2.2% closed, 55.5% w/ score of < 0
 
@Daedalus It's cool. Just keep in mind that this rooms existence has been in the balance before, and not just once. Stick to the straight and narrow.
 
5:43 AM
@jainishkapadia The issue is that the edits you are suggesting are making changes which are significantly bad (in addition to some improvements). For instance, you are adding
"Can anyone help me on this issue?
Your help is much appreciated.
Best Regards."
to the end of all your edits. This is stuff we would actively edit OUT, not in. You are also making changes which are grammatically incorrect: For example changing I to i when the person is referring to themselves (I, meaning myself, is *always* capitalized. There were multiple other issues. Frankly, many of the edits should never have be
 
 
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7:57 AM
Hiya
 
Morning \o
 
lurker
 
I heard that
 
You read that?
 
No, I heard it
 
Strange organ you use for hearing then.
 
8:35 AM
@rene CRINGE
 
8:50 AM
!!/alive
SMOKEY
 
9:19 AM
afk
 
9:52 AM
I want to flag a new question in a low usage tag as a duplicate but I get "This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer". Would it offend the room if I ask for a vote on an answer to a 3yo question with my 3yo answer? The asker of the old question was last seen 3 years ago.
 
Yeah you can't ask for votes here, sorry
 
@PetterFriberg true, still not hard to wibble from wibble.
 
10:17 AM
@Lankymart I started writing that "you appear to be a skilled wibbler ..." then I thought I had better check a dictionary to avoid saying something very undesirable. Definitions of wibble include: it is a variant of wobble; it is "The act of being so overcome with emotion that (e.g.) The eyebrows come together and curve up at the inside."; and "to speak or write in a vague or wordy manner". I'm not sure that any match your usage. Thanks, Lankymart, for your comment.
 
@AdrianHHH waffle, wibble, waffle...wobble
 
@Lankymart normally waffle : )
 
@Lankymart third one should have been wiffle...
@PetterFriberg why I thought it was wibble is anyone's guess...lol
 
10:32 AM
probably you had to many waffle's
2
 
10:50 AM
@PetterFriberg yes master, too many waffle's (in a Gollum voice)
 
<%="I like that you are deving in old classic asp, I started with that do for the web and I still do when I need to do some quick stuff..."%>
 
Worse than PHP : |
 
same as old PHP : ), these nice old script language's
 
@PetterFriberg Argh, why is everyone getting apostrophes wrong today?
 
it's some crazy stuff in asp like If a>0 Then Else End if ... you write code as you speak : )
 
10:56 AM
Is everything OK @Petter ? : o
Wooha! VB.NET !
 
meeh I doing code reviewing in java, just really tired... and was remebering good all asp days, when you did not even need do delcare variables (just avoid putting option explicit :D)... code as you speak..
 
@PetterFriberg and break everything as you code, really nice days those were...
 
and the debugging was made by response writting to browser... like <%="ok until here"%> ... <%="ok2 until here"%>
@kayess in asp you could even ignore all errors... On Error Resume Next : )
no need to post "Why to I get this Nullpointer?" on SO, you just go to next line : )
hmm...
Yeah could not find anything on metasmoke, wondering why they blacklisted that however
 
The question is bad and the link there is relevant. So closed the question and deleted the answer (thereby marking spam flags as helpful)
 
11:32 AM
@M.A.R. I assumed their just speaking like Gollum...
 
@Lankymart How do you pronounce apostrophes?
O.o
 
@PetterFriberg I dev in Classic ASP because the company has so much legacy stuff, but still work with ASP.Net MVC and WebAPI2. It's not great but it's a job I guess.
@M.A.R. arghh..brain hurts!!
 
@Lankymart I'm actually missing it and still use it if I need to do some quick stuff.. notepad and go!
 
metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/users/users/apps -- Apparently @Petter is a product of @Petter
 
@M.A.R. surely, apostrophe's is a crime against nature??
 
11:36 AM
@Lankymart Not wor'se than when it 'should be there but its not
 
@M.A.R. can't log in anymore... mah...
 
11:54 AM
Best username-y punchline of the day
If that's true, you might need a doctor, @Doctor. I do most of my browsing and programming at night and don't have any problem with my eyes. Of course, having an overhead light on is a huge help. Ergonomic specialists have been saying for years that you should never stare at an illuminated screen in a dark room, regardless of whether or not the background is black. Your love of white-on-black themes may also have something to do with your vision problems: "dark" modes have fairly low contrast compared to "light" modes, and therefore strain your eyes. — Cody Gray Mar 3 '16 at 10:52
 
12:27 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver \o
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/290812/… is one of the most innocent questions I've ever seen
 
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't CV on Meta.SE :'(
 
12:49 PM
Man, that was painful...must have explained the same thing three or four times before they got it.
 
@Lankymart ?
 
Ouch, I got it
 
@M.A.R. just one of those situations, you think you've explained yourself but then you find nope, they're not getting it.
 
Been experiencing it a lot
IRL and IDL
 
12:55 PM
What's the best way to see what requests you have made to SOVR that still need cvs?
 
Chat search
I haven't played around much with your userscripts though
So check those too
 
1:16 PM
^ "How can I insert image into python compiler"
 
@AndrewLi wow, how many answers that attracted... O.o
 
1:45 PM
hmh
 
hmm
 
hkh
 
mhh
 
1:58 PM
My earlier "hkh" line was an obscure reference to Michel Jeury's "Le temps incertain", which should definitely be read by those who like scifi and read French.
 
2:18 PM
morning
 
Hiya gunr
 
Hiya o/
 
good news, my phone got updated to Android 7.0 today : )
@NathanOliver so that download bottomed out after a few hours. Restarted it again this morning and it downloaded at full bandwidth.
 
@gunr2171 Bummer. So you on the new OS yet?
 
2:24 PM
yep
 
How is it?
 
@gunr2171 will it now run Windows 10?
 
haven't tried that app yet
 
I hear it is cool
 
2:38 PM
@Lankymart just love the example code string in this question...usually, I go with "Hello World" as old dependable. This waffle is Bananas!
 
2:52 PM
@QPaysTaxes in what language?, I'm not sure &baz=something=else is even a valid URL structure O.o
baz => something%3Delse I think. The extra = would be encoded to %3D.
 
are those URL query parameters?
 
From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator#Syntax "An optional query, separated from the preceding part by a question mark (?), containing a query string of non-hierarchical data. Its syntax is not well defined, but by convention is most often a sequence of attribute–value pairs separated by a delimiter."
All the other places I found just say "name=value" pairs separaterd by "&" (or possibly by ";")
They do not say what is/is not OK in a "value".
 
= isn't a valid character in a query parameter
Should be encoded to %3D
 
@AdrianHHH which is what I would do drop the baz and use &something=else.
7 mins ago, by Lankymart
baz => something%3Delse I think. The extra = would be encoded to %3D.
 
ah
 
3:03 PM
In C# you might use: string[] kvp=input.Split(new char[] {'='}, 2);
 
@QPaysTaxes it just comes down to how you decide to serialize / deserialize it.
 
then split by & and split by = (but only in 2 parts)
 
I agree with what @Tunaki just wrote.
 
@AdrianHHH I do too. Just use &baz=something%3Delse and split on the %3D to separate the key from the value.
 
3:07 PM
@Tunaki I'd err on the side of "Nope".
 
I'm going for spam
The website is full of ads
unreg user
 
It's a service that allows you to send mass-emails, but it also allows you to verify multiple emails.
 
@QPaysTaxes so it's already sent &baz=something=else you have no control of that? Seems strange because like Tun already said = isn't a valid character in a query parameter.
 
And I can find it as first result on google.
 
hmm
 
3:08 PM
(The last thing usually doesn't happen when we're double-checking potential spam, in case it's spam atleast).
But a modflag might be warranted.
 
JAL
o/ all
 
@Seth Just earn 20k you apprentice spearrel!
 
@QPaysTaxes ok, in which case baz=something%3Delse is perfectly acceptable.
 
Was deleted.
I used my bazoorel nuke.
@Tunaki ô.ô
I need to get repz =/ Oh well, some time...
 
I got my first 10k
On the workplace
:(
 
3:11 PM
@Magisch That's pretty nice :D
 
@Magisch Congratz :)
 
@Magisch congrats!
 
@Magisch Any deleted fun there?
 
Oh, you got it just now? Gz! (Thought you were talking about "The first time I got to 10k rep was on WP")
@Tunaki Yeah... Wanna buy some skin lotion?
Enhancements?
Acne cure?
 
@Tunaki haven't found any yet
 
3:13 PM
@Tunaki Mind proofreading this canonical I'm prepping and suggesting whether it's actually needed?
 
@Seth Sure. Do you send by packs? I want 20 tons.
@SotiriosDelimanolis reading
 
@QPaysTaxes it's technically not valid but will be after it's encoded so I'd say your ok.
 
Btw, @Magisch, regarding your question on WP: You're - from my point of view - quite a good dev. Being a dev is always a work in progress, and I also, same as you, basically learn by doing day-to-day-tasks.
And I don't know of anyone else in my class that is actually heavily supervised as described.
 
@Seth My primary annoyance is that I get next to no feedback at all
They treat me like another dev
 
If you didn't break anything you probably won't hear a word =D
 
JAL
3:15 PM
@PaulRoub I think I found a better dupe for a question you flagged here. Thoughts?
 
Jokes aside, feedback is valuable, and you might want to try out CR sometime :) Nvm, you're doing that.
 
@Tunaki I was tired of having to look up a million search terms for duplicates
shadowing, field, constructor, null, default value
 
@Seth If it wasn't for SE i'd still be diddling with basic VBA forms
 
@JAL Yes, yours does seem better. Hammer: validated.
 
JAL
@PaulRoub Thanks for double checking!
 
3:19 PM
@QPaysTaxes our codebase at work is a hot mess, none of the other devs have time for mentoring or code review
I can't replicate what's already in our code base, that'd just make me a 10 years out of date hobby VBA coder
 
@Magisch Same goes for me with Java (not totally, as I have a few devs sitting relatively close-by that are willing to help), but basically I learned a lot through SO.
I mean, honestly, nowadays google & stackoverflow are basic tools for devs.
 
@Seth Some class mates of mine have more supervision but really no motivation to learn anything
 
When editing a tag, do I need to quote excerpts too?
 
"What do you mean CSS? I just do html, thats what I do"
 
If I take them literally from their official doc page
 
3:22 PM
@Magisch That's rather sad.
@Magisch Agh >.< CSS & html are not my friends.
I like Java, and Java only. Front-end is not made for me.
 
I like cold, hard C.
But I'll code anything if I have to
Including grumbles stupid assembler that takes forever because thinking it through is hard and requires more juggling concepts at once then I'm comfortably doing.
 
=D
 
@Seth I failed logic II in the first semester because I can't predicate logic, do you think I can juggle a stack and frame pointer?!
</rant>
 
@Magisch But logic is just like math, only good :o
And, btw, here I am, sitting in my 2nd year of apprenticeship, googling "frame pointer".
>_>
 
That's remarkably normal.
 
I google simple Java code from time to time simply because I'm lazy.
 
@Magisch Aight, that sounds like math.
Math is disgusting (for me).
Besides, I already have a headache, no need to make it worse =|
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis It's a great post. There are likely hundreds of it around (found stackoverflow.com/questions/11002382/…) but it'd be great to have one talking about all those little mistakes
 
@Compass Good to know :D
 
@tunaki When I look for duplicates, I always search "Field remains null even in constructor" and never find anything
 
3:34 PM
It's less practical to know everything in Java off the top of your head because that space is important.
 
and even querying for JLS quotes doesn't always bring up stuff in first result page
 
If you know what it's called, you can look it up
For example, I don't remember which sort is which
 
@Seth This in relation to higher math is like weed compared to crocodile
I mean in essence it's like propositional logic but with weird variables and systems you define and then do operations on these
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Hehe stackoverflow.com/questions/22902448/… :)
 
3:36 PM
... like I said, I never fully grasped it, but around 80% of the Logic II exam was about it
 
I have your blessing, then?
 
Eh look at that, another one stackoverflow.com/questions/14554797/…
@SotiriosDelimanolis Clearly!
We can close all those as dupe then
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels We want a word with you ^^^^ :p
 
2013 was a different time, but who am I to talk, I'm doing the same thing now lol
 
JAL
3:47 PM
Is this off-topic for Stack Overflow? What program in Windows 10 uses port 80? Maybe better for Super User (but too old to migrate)?
 
3:59 PM
@JAL yes
 
JAL
thanks
and morning
 
yo
wording question: I have styles for html checkboxes and radio buttons. they are 99% similar so I want to make one file for all the common styles. What do I call the file? "clickable input controls"?
 
@AdrianHHH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
4:17 PM
@gunr2171 sounds as button input controls or selectioninputcontrols or choiceinputcontrols
 
Looks like a mod ninja'd y'all.
 
JAL
(if anyone can think of a better title, let me know)
 
I usually flag them as "obsolete" once the review is over
 
JAL
@Tunaki that's a good idea, but what about while the review is still in-progress?
 
@JAL waffle scratch that
 
4:29 PM
@JAL Leave them be
 
JAL
@PetterFriberg added dupes to the title
@Tunaki meh
 
oh
dupe reviews
 
Yeah seems more easier to search on...
 
I was on something else entirely
wait
Oh! you're quoting a thing from the NAA/VLQ review guidance, but for dupe reviews
 
JAL
@Tunaki yes! sorry if that was unclear lol
 
4:32 PM
exactly I was also confused first... hence the title suggestion : ), incorrect duplicates suggestion, the thing is that can also arrive not from review!
 
JAL
ok, let me know if the title is clearer now
or feel free to edit
 
Hence maybe you can simply and remove all the review stuff...
"Should I be flagging incorrect duplicate comments as not constructive?", not sure if you like this.. but I guess it is the same
 
JAL
oh that's much better
Hey, Shog showed up
 
Nice perfect, clear and precis answer...
when important people ask, important people answer ; )
 
JAL
ha!
 
4:41 PM
you better retract the pending flag ; )
 
JAL
That's a great answer
Actually, that other pending flag was marked as helpful
confusion ensues
 
Clearly you need to post another Meta about why it was marked helpful
 
JAL
lol
probably because it was completely unrelated
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: hello?
 
It's me, I was wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet
2
 
JAL
4:56 PM
lol
 
@Tunaki: who are you addressing?
 
sorry I took the lyrics of a song :) (Adele)
 
Is it me you're looking for? I can see it in your eyes I can see it in your smile
 
JAL
@PetterFriberg love some Lionel
 
JAL
5:23 PM
@Tunaki, looks like those obsolete possible dupe comments are supposed to delete themselves, but it turns out that wasn't working properly
FWIW, those auto-generated review comments are supposed to be automatically deleted every week if they haven't been acted on (or replied to)... Turns out, the task that does this has been failing for months, so I'm manually deleting 20 thousand or so of them right now, but hopefully that starts happening more reliably soon and there's less need to be flagging them. — Shog9 ♦ 3 mins ago
 
@JAL eh, that's not a great idea
of course it's not a great idea for close votes to expire either, Shog...
but whatever
 
JAL
Well I'm sure as hell not going to be the one to tell that to Shog
lol
 
We've already told him ad nauseum
He disagrees therefore we are wrong
 
@TylerH Yeah I commented on that...
 
@PetterFriberg I don't think Shog means possible duplicate there, only the from review ones ...
but maybe I'm wrong
and he just wipes all comments from the site
 
5:29 PM
@rene hmm we are speaking about dupes comment... I would be surprised if he means something else.
but maybe I'm wrong
 
JAL
No, I think we're all talking about the same thing: "auto-generated review comments"
 
let's all be wrong today
 
@rene "comments are transient"
 
JAL
@rene Hi wrong, I'm wrong!
 
@rene okay, Donald Trump is a great President
 
5:32 PM
we'll use that later ...
 
Reuse not permitted except in cases of full context provisions
 
user4639281
@TylerH Bookmarked
 
Tweeted
 
I was wrong and the flower was right....puuh
 
\o/
 
5:42 PM
hatman is checking questions now @Sam : ) __^
 
Sam
:)
 
ooh your here, lurker, Hiya
probably spam lots of hits in metasmoke metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg Hiya o/
Sorry, I've been pretty busy today :p
 
no problem... life is good when busy...
 
Sam
:)
 
user4639281
5:55 PM
@tunaki lol on that edit
 
@TinyGiant I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 

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