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1:27 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis So true...
Not sure who / why the random upvotes happen
 
@cricket_007 Almost the same in the tag. People find questions interesting and upvote regardless of the established quality policies (probably not being aware of these at all).
 
1:43 AM
Morning!
 
@AshishAhujaツ Sounds like it's bed time for me now ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ goodnight then!
 
@AshishAhujaツ Good Morning.
@AshishAhujaツ I'd like to delete this bad dupe: stackoverflow.com/questions/38579254/…
Could you help please?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ okay. I just need 10x more rep :P
@πάνταῥεῖ and BTW, you can just leave that question. Roomba will delete it
 
@AshishAhujaツ I know we don't ask for DV's here usually, but that would help already, and you have expertise in the tag to judge.
 
1:54 AM
okie. One sec
Hmm yup. That q looks like a dupe.
Now it's down to -4
so you can delete now?
 
@AshishAhujaツ It's got 2 del votes now. Will be gone soon.
 
In general I don't think there's anything wrong with dupes, such they need to be deleted, unless they are such lazily researched and missing everything from our quality policies.
@intboolstring k
@intboolstring Weird nick BTW, but who am I to say so :) ...
@JarrodRoberson k
 
2:25 AM
This question is asking for recommendation. stackoverflow.com/q/38579975/5743988 it also happens to be a duplicate of one of their past questions.
 
2:40 AM
the comment chain at stackoverflow.com/a/38574144/874188 seems to be turning into a private support chat, should I flag that?
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ dupes by definition are lazily researched if at all and low quality.
 
@JarrodRoberson Not necessarily. There are hard to find dupes, and XY problems around.
Hey @tripleee!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hiya, nice to see you here
 
@tripleee Same, same. That's why I reacted on you :)
 
@JarrodRoberson I think the point here is "not necessary to delete" in the general case, though many of course are
@πάνταῥεῖ was off duty for a few weeks, back at (what I call) work again now ... briefly
 
2:47 AM
@tripleee MSO is a mess right now. And we have to find other places to get active :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ haven't visited much (see above) but I see a lot of Documentation topics
 
@tripleee It's almost only doc topics the last few days, since it's gone at public beta state.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm really divided ... I tried it briefly during the private beta but I can't say I'm convinced
 
Added to my ignored tags at MSO, and the home page looks like a wasteland now :( ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ actually laughing out loud here ... (too early in the morning here, hush)
 
2:51 AM
@tripleee I'm not convinced either, especially not with the rep model. But they seem to have improved a bit regarding that.
 
3:07 AM
English Question: Does "which is much less readable." sound proper? Or should it be "which is less readable"?
 
@AshishAhujaツ Last one sounds definitely better.
 
ok. And is the first one wrong, or could that also be accepted?
 
hmmm? I think they both sound okay, but I'm not a native English speaker
 
^ Same for me ...
 
because that exists in a doc post, and that post does not have anything else wrong, so I dunno whether to edit or not
 
3:09 AM
Not a native speaker.
 
@AshishAhujaツ don't edit is my suggestion
 
@AshishAhujaツ Wents too minor probably.
 
alright
 
@AshishAhujaツ do you have a link so we can see it in context?
 
3:16 AM
@tripleee okay. One sec. I just closed the tab
 
@πάνταῥεῖ "much" here is just a quantifier; it's not merely slightly less legible
 
@tripleee Boiling eggs is unlikely.
 
@tripleee see the last part of this.
> "My name is {name} {middlename} {surname}"

instead of:

"My name is {0} {1} {2}"

which is much less readable.
 
@AshishAhujaツ I probably would write "which is way less readable"
 
hmm.. so should I edit?
 
3:21 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Still questionable if that edit is actually needed.
 
lemme leave it then. Anyways, this room isn't for docs.
 
@AshishAhujaツ Not yet maybe ...
We're mostly grumpy about docs here right now ... (correct me if I'm wrong)
 
I like docs. I don't like what it is, but I like what it will be.
 
@cricket_007 k
@4castle Well, I see what they want to be, but actually didn't get it right. Biggest problem seems how to handle rep gains for contributions.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you don't need to k every time because some users are not in the room, but just using the userscript. So that will give them an unnecessary ping in their inbox
 
3:28 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ IMNSHO "way less" is not an improvement here, and stylistically dubious
 
Yeah, it's all been talked about, and it's all been discussed. The rep gains are definitely going to change soon.
 
Beat me to it
 
oh wow. that was nuked before it was even closed
 
He asked in the comments how to delete that question
 
3:31 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Okey, should use it for bots only. Got it.
@FrankerZ Brave user
 
How do you chat with the tags like that
 
@4castle do: [tag:java]
so it becomes:
same for other tags, just replace the tagname
 
@4castle Think they've done that already. I recently contributed, and gained rep about looked OK regarding the change I've done (just added two characters on an example) and gained +2 rep for that.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ we should only do k for reports which are spam/offensive/abusive. For other posts it is f. Do read the feedback guidance on the GH sd page
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You gained rep? I don't see you in that post
 
3:38 AM
@AshishAhujaツ I judged the question lacking a MCVE. But was biased regarding SD.
Probably the user was blacklisted for reasons.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ even if it is MCVE, it isn't spam/rude, so it is f. Please read the feedback guidance
 
@AshishAhujaツ Well, I'll get onto it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ the user was blacklisted wrongly because a user gave wrong feedback which was invalidated. You shouldn't judge based on the user, but on the content
 
@queen THX sweetie.
 
Thanks honey
 
user3956566
3:41 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ that was an f, the post was fine
 
user3956566
it doesn't matter if the user was blacklisted, it's a review of the current post
 
:31920336 she is talking about the smokey report
 
user3956566
9 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: modal shows but closes immediately, c# webforms by listojay on stackoverflow.com (@PraveenKumar @AndrasDeak @πάνταῥεῖ)
 
user3956566
6 mins ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ
sd k
 
user3956566
It's no big deal, just letting you know ;)
 
3:43 AM
@Yvette Okey, seems I have failed about that one.
 
bye o/!
 
3:56 AM
@AndrasDeak Glad you didn't actually done it. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/31920331#31920331 I'm just fine with honey already :)
 
4:27 AM
@Yvette Are you actually the same person I met as @Mrs Yvette at MSO many times?
@Yvette I'm asking because @MrsYvette asked to flag for spam instead of downvoting at MSO recently.
 
That sounds like Yvette. If a post is spam, you should flag as spam and move on. Anything else is a waste of effort.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think I can confirm on her behalf (though I think she was MsYvette, not necessarily Mrs)
 
Yvette has dedicated her life to the eradication of spam on SE.
 
@tripleee Missy? But a good user actually. Takes things to the point.
@RyanBemrose I think she's of much more potential´actually, and you're narrowing viewing her to much about that particular topic she's engaged in.
 
4:32 AM
Sorry, did I forget a tag? <tongue in="cheek">
 
@queen Have a peck darling, well done!
^Hmmm, I either disgruntled her, or my compliments get too complicated :)
@AndrasDeak ^You may try to fix that one ...
 
user3956566
4:49 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ yep :)
 
@Yvette Nice to meet you here M'am (... Sir, M'am as it is usus at the marines).
 
user3956566
:)
 
@Yvette :)
Is there a simple emoji for military salutation actually?
definitely spam
 
5:09 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/38581093/… alleges this is a dupe but I'm not familiar enough with the framework to find a good one to link it to
 
5:32 AM
Hiya again!
 
@Yvette there's a nominated dupe so a gold user could close it pronto
 
6:02 AM
Hey Magisch!
 
Good morning peeps
 
6:34 AM
That was killed by a mod I think because it was nuked at -1
 
7:00 AM
o/
 
7:10 AM
Aaaand morning \o
 
Hey kayess
:D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ <o
Heya Seth howdy
 
@Seth I doubt they will ever reverse all the rep from the public beta. So there will always be people running around just getting reputation from nothing; or at least gained it.
 
@Rizier123 Yup. I wish they'd go back to where they came from.
Jk, I want them to resume the closed beta
This right now is like fixing a ton of bugs on production
Instead of reverting changes & redoing it cleanly
 
7:32 AM
@Seth - You have done a good job.. I really can't say why.. but you have :P
 
@TheLostMind Dafuq :o
Tell me why :D
 
I really can't say why.. but you have :P
 
Is it because you don't know, or because you actually cannot tell me because you'd have to ... kill me otherwhise?
 
The latter, :)
 
Oh o.o Ok, cool.
 
7:36 AM
:P
 
7:48 AM
Will I ever know though? @TheLostMind
 
8:18 AM
Hiya!
 
Morning
 
@PetterFriberg hey!
 
Hey you two :) o/
 
@Seth you wont. Because the mind is lost :P
 
@AshishAhujaツ But...but.... a mod approved my action for being good
Yet I do not even know what action he means
Nor do I know what that action caused
 
8:23 AM
@Seth yeah but still, it isn't a normal one, it is special. It gets lost, so you will never be able to find the mind to get the answer :D
 
None of the users have been nuked, both Q&A's are still up, all edits are still live, all tags remain untouched...
@AshishAhujaツ God damn it Ashish.
 
@Seth it's the truth!
 
@AshishAhujaツ God damn it Ashish.
 
@Seth okie. You'll get the answer. Don't worry. Happy?
 
@AshishAhujaツ No reason to lie to me :(
Spam spam spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam stackoverflow.com/questions/38537723/…
 
8:29 AM
what is the spam?
 
Not disclosing his freaking affiliation, yet his user is named the same as his github repo.
Facepalm
 
@Seth not spam. It's okay. It's a link to just a GH repo
 
btw
Hiya o/
 
@AshishAhujaツ He's promoting his own stuff o.o Is that allowed?
 
@Tunaki o/
@Seth he isn't promoting. He's just setting the context for the q. i think that is allowed
 
8:31 AM
@AshishAhujaツ He acts like he doesn't know jack about that library.
"Found!"
 
Hmm. In one angle it is spam, but I wouldn't go for that. The user has lots of contributions, and even if that looks like spam, I don't think he intended it that way.
 
Mhm. I see what you mean.
I flagged it already :/ Welp, first declined spam flag inc :P
 
@Seth hi
 
@AshishAhujaツ That's what I said o.o
 
@Seth when did you say hi??
 
okie. You caught me :(
 
@AshishAhujaツ Mwahahaha
 
8:47 AM
sd
 
@AshishAhujaツ - Its kinda tricky. Why would I ask a question about my own library and then answer it. Unless there is a very strong reason to do that, I don't see why it should be there in the first place.. Now, I understand that that user does contribute a lot (and hence marking his post as spam would perhaps be incorrect), yet, what he has done, isn't quite right IMHO.
 
@TheLostMind I agree. My spam flag was overkill though.
 
@TheLostMind I agree, but maybe leaving a comment to that user telling him to not do that will be better instead of directly spam nuking it.
 
@AshishAhujaツ , @Seth - Yes, not worth nuking (and his other posts show that he uses the term "my library" when talking about his libraries")
 
So he maybe forgot putting the term in this question
 
9:00 AM
I hope thats the case.
 
So do I. :)
Would you mind declining my flag?
 
Umm. Its already been handled...
 
@Seth really? You want a mod to do that? Won't you take chance that a mod might misclick and approve it?
 
@TheLostMind Why? Maybe that user found a common issue with their library and decided to make a canonical to redirect GitHub issues or whatever to it
 
@Kyll - May be.. May be not :)
But yes, that account doesn't have to be blocked.
 
9:04 AM
@Kyll He pretended as if he was a regular user & said stuff like "Found it"
 
Its worth treading carefully when you see spam flags on old accounts with rep > 1 :)
 
Yup. Didn't think it fully through.
 
9:22 AM
@Tunaki Gone again
 
Ha, comments clean-up dear mod? :)
 
the new question isn't exactly stellar, either stackoverflow.com/questions/38585054/…
 
dear mod? lol
 
woot
:D
 
@Tunaki grml
 
9:29 AM
@Magisch grml? Gremlins?
 
My edit on the top java thing removing some wildly incorrect statements about C arrays was rollbacked yesterday
 
@Magisch Welp, that's docs for you.
 
Grml is an operating system based on Debian.
 
Oh come on Petter xD
 
@Magisch Hum, what? C arrays in the Java docs?
 
9:30 AM
@Tunaki Welp, that's docs for you.
 
>_>
 
This is my canonical answer for every issue even remotely related to docs from now on.
"Welp, that's docs for you."
 
@Tunaki "This is different from C and C++, whose array sizes need to be constant values that [are determined at compile time][5], as opposed to array size initializations at runtime for Java."
 
@queen OP going slightly ballistic there, dunno if he deleted the rude comment himself or if a mod was really quick
 
9:33 AM
@tripleee pass me the comment I can test it it.. she checks every 1.5 minutes so if deleted before it will not be caught...
 
@TimCastelijns hmm not sure I tihnk OP wants to do it for every activity, meainng same title
 
read the title french friend
and also the last line
:D
 
alright, agree omg no
2 answers in the mean time...
 
^-- Waffles with spicey snails
 
meanwhile I dv all the answers
Yeahhh they both deleted their answer
peer pressure is real
 
9:38 AM
Talk shit -> get hit :)
@πάνταῥεῖ Nooo, we are not grumpy about docs o.o How'd you get that impression?
 
@FOX9000 that's actually a nice edit
 
@Tunaki Ye, he just placed a "fucking" in the summary.
 
Yeah I would probably approve it but did not dear to ...
 
I improved it
removed the code they added, not relevant and fixed the typo
 
9:58 AM
Interesting...
 
Very interesting...
 
French newspapers Libération: Hostake taking (raw translation): two attackers shot, one hostage killed, another wounded (translated from French)
UK newspapers The Guardian: Hostage amongst three dead in Normandy church siege
 
@Kyll knifeman cuts open the neck of a priest in a church
 
@AnttiHaapala which country?
 
@AshishAhujaツ france
 
10:01 AM
@Tunaki Don't you think it's interesting to see that Libération separated the death of the attackers from the death of the hostage?
Same for Le Monde: "one dead after hostage taking in a church near Rouen"
 
Good style I'd say (?)
 
Hmm
 
As if the attackers deaths did not count
 
They do not count as much - to me - as the hostages death does.
I don't care about your motivation, which god you pray to, how many times he whispered - amongst many others - into your ears/mind, but I despise people dragging innocent people into their own little mad world.
Which is what those attackers do. And that's despicable.
 
upvote?
 
10:05 AM
@Seth Sure is. I'm not going into a debate over which life (or death) is worth more, but still
 
@Kyll Welp, from a purely objective point of view: Sure, all of them are humans, but they divided themselves into 2 groups, attacker & hostage.
 
One could at least argue that placing the death of attackers (or terrorists, or really anyone "guilty" in a way) apart from the death of innocents is a slippery dehumanizing slope
 
And the media focusses on what the people want to know.
 
It's not the first time I saw that.
 
@Tunaki Yeah, me too
 
10:07 AM
I don't care how many attackers got shot during a hostage taking, I care about if the hostages survive o.ô
If you choose to pull off a hostage taking, you are accepting your very likely to come death.
 
@Seth See, that's the slope
do request this to go to the Ministry if anyone feels like it
 
Sure, brb
Hello from the other side
 
no the java tag was removed
 
@Yam Looks more about using an SEO tool than programming?
 
@Tunaki why did we rename "cv request graveyard" to "socvr request graveyard"?
 
10:17 AM
@AshishAhujaツ cuz of all dem other *-pls
 
yeah
it's an investment for the future
 
@πάνταῥεῖ sorry, I only touch the rudeness regex:) Ping @Petter with that if it persists
@πάνταῥεῖ o>
 
@πάνταῥεῖ in this room she does not reply to random comments, only some specific regex to check if she is alive (last time you where lucky and hit one of these ; )
If you like to have a nice chat with her you need to go to the SOCVFinder room, she will always respond there.
 
@PetterFriberg Hatty > queen
 
10:24 AM
in fun yeah in usefulness meeh : )
 
Does queen roll dices, heh?
 
but I can always load the Captain Kirk aiml and disable all useful commands... that way she can have a chance against hatman...
 
@Yam No.
 
@Kyll No no nooooo
 
10:34 AM
Uh-oh
5
Stars are broken
5
Everyone panic!!1
5
 
Can anyone star something?
 
@Seth ★★ Nope ★★
But I give out stars for free: ★★★
2
 
@Rizier123 Thanks <3
Lmao. It works again.
3
 
not a reason to start a starry night though =p
 
@Kyll It's too late.... :D
 
10:45 AM
There are ★★★★★★★★★ everywhere!
 
@AshishAhujaツ Yesssss
 
cc @Tim ^
How do you want to document ?
 
@Kyll that shows how bad docs currently is
 
@Kyll Take a picture of it to document it? :P
 
10:51 AM
@Kyll Lobotomized
@AshishAhujaツ Don't attract that kind of attention unless you're sure there's something wrong
 
oh sorry
 
If you have reasons to suspect a fraud, you'd better be sneaky about it and watch out for a pattern of abuse
Any external intervention could make the fraud harder to detect
For example, if you notice that a user systematically sees his posts upvoted n times in a couple minutes, with the same patterns, raise a mod flag with links to these posts
 
will do
 
In the case of this user, his previous question (16 days ago) wasn't upvoted once so I wouldn't sweat it
 
Hey @Kyll
Participated in documentation yet?
 
10:57 AM
Plop Mag
Nope
Might try some on
...
waaaaaaat
28 topics?! There were only 3 a few days ago!
 
I got like 900 rep in the last 4 days
they're gonna nerf it
 
Holy crap all these are bad
 
@Kyll each and every <1k user is attracted to docs like a iron rod is attracted by a magnet
 
All this is duplicated from blogs and docs and various other sites
 

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