« first day (914 days earlier)      last day (2914 days later) » 

1:54 AM
@rene whoa now, "promised to work on" sounds a little different than how I remember it... :-P
I made a suggested change, is all
 
2:34 AM
Morning
 
3:04 AM
bye
 
Hello goodbye.
 
3:40 AM
I'm back
 
3:59 AM
Hello goodbye.
 
4:37 AM
been replaced already
 
Rob
Out of curiosity @Undo - what's up with the delete/undelete behaviour here stackoverflow.com/posts/37382031/revisions ?
Is the community delete applying spam penalties?
 
3 votes away from silver badge for reopen queue and I run out of votes for the day T_T
 
Rob
@TylerH I'm too picky with my queues, I don't think I'll get the badges any time soon: There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[c#]"
 
you can't use filters!
 
Rob
4:49 AM
I always use filters.. half the questions take way too much time to grok and figure out if the question is unclear or I'm just unfamiliar with the technology
Also - why does this have so many votes?
They added in an answer to a broad question.. how does that stop it from being broad? oO
 
Dunno
I know Michael_B doesn't do anything on the site outside of though
He's earned his last 20k reputation on it
So could be a case of people seeing a bunch of code added and thinking that fixes the issue
 
Rob
Yeah, looks to be
 
 
1 hour later…
6:03 AM
Good morning
Unholy Crap there is so much trash in the SE queue today
 
Rob
6:36 AM
People are again mass flagging non-English messages as abusive
When they are innocent at a quick look with a translator
someone is deliberately trying to shut down rooms
 
@Rob While im not condoning that, you should always mark non-english flagged messages as valid
As per shog and the SE Team's decisions, Non-english conversations are officially not tolerated and will be removed if someone takes issue with them
 
Rob
Even if, after running them through a translator, they are not abusive?
 
Yes
 
Rob
In that case I will not be reviewing flags, that's ridiculous
I'll just skip them.
 
You can't entirely verify their validity, so you have to assume the flags are valid
I think the question was can anyone exploit this and go around trolling otherwise innocent non-English rooms with false flags and causing them to all get warned/shut down for a crime they did not commit? — BoltClock ♦ 2 days ago
@BoltClock Sounds like yes, but that's partially a risk that turns up with the creation of a non-English room - we can't risk actual offensive content going through and putting people in danger, so err on the side of caution and ask people to chat in English. — ArtOfCode 2 days ago
 
Rob
6:38 AM
Still - I won't be part of this deliberate false-flagging
So I'll just be skipping it rather than marking it as abusive
 
Not asking you to
And im not the guy flagging things
 
Rob
Sure
I know that :)
 
I only flag things I know are abusive
 
Rob
I strongly disagree with the way SO is handling this.. but I don't see a better solution, anyway.
 
Its a sticky situation
Thats why I asked that meta the comments I cited were from
the gist of it is basicly officially non english discussion is prohibited now
 
Rob
6:40 AM
Yeah, unfortunately seems so
Though I suppose it's not really SO's place to have chat rooms
In that they're kind of an addon, rather than being a core part of the site
So I guess it's not that bad..
 
The core part of the site is completly english only though
any non english Q/A needs to be translated or deleted
 
Rob
Yep - I get that
I mean that since chat rooms are kind of an 'extra', then I suppose outright banning non-English rooms isn't that bad, since chat rooms are fairly trivial to setup for a community elsewhere
 
o/
 
Rob
Hey
 
Just out of curiosity
what room was being targeted?
 
6:45 AM
@Rob It's the best out of 2 evils...
 
Rob
On messages 3 days old
 
The rooms seems balanced between english and non-english.
And luckily, mods can tell the difference between BS flags and real ones
 
Well Cerb
Any flag on any non english content is technically valid
 
No.
 
What amuses me is the fact that people don't flag stuff that they understand even though it is against the rules to use such words. For example "FUC*ING C*NT" is not flagged but "kaisa hai bhai" (which means (how are you brother?) is :\
 
6:50 AM
At least thats the Gist I got from Shog's answer on my meta
 
When someone is "going through chatlogs and mass-flagging all non english discussion", that someone is just being a <insert swearword here>
 
Yes
Undoubtedly
 
Those flags aren't valid
 
But are they breaking rules? As its looking right now, no
 
They are
 
6:50 AM
According to shog, they are
 
The "Don't be a douche" rule
 
I asked for some more clarification on that, but the general idea is non-english flags are assumed to be valid because we can't reasonably check
 
Yes, and then a mod steps in and looks over the situation
 
A mod can't change policy set forth by SE
If it turns out thats the case nobody can tell the mass flagger to stop and we have to validate his flags
 
We ordinary users can only look at the specific flag. Not English? validate it.
 
Rob
6:52 AM
I'm pretty sure deliberately flagging non-English messages is seen as abusive
 
Mods will step in if necessary
@Rob this.
 
Rob
The act of approving all non-English flags is because we are trusting the flagger
 
@Magisch - A mod can't change policy set forth by SE -> What if he "understands" what is being discussed :P
 
@Rob I asked shog for clarification on this and I hope so
 
Rob
If at least one person thinks its abusive, and we can't prove it's not, then approve it.
 
6:53 AM
@TheLostMind Idk, ask shog
 
@Rob Exactly
 
Rob
If people deliberately flag it as abusive, without thinking it is, that is a targeted attack
 
What if someone doesn't speak hindi at all
 
Rob
Then they shouldn't flag it
 
and just assumes everything said in hindi is abusive and consequently flags
 
6:53 AM
@Magisch Someone being the flagger?
@Magisch That's abuse.
 
That satisfies your criteria rob
 
Rob
I am happy to approve all flags, once this stuff dies down
 
And mods will catch that.
 
one person thinks they're abusive
 
Rob
But for now, I will skip them all.
 
6:54 AM
does that mean the people posting these will all get banned?
 
@Magisch Flagging a shitton of messages just because of their language is abuse. The flagger will most likely be banned, and possible chat bans resulting from the flags may be reverted.
And the room will probably be reviewed
 
Rob
@Magisch Not really. The flag should be seen as 'This is offensive to me'. There's a difference between flagging and reviewing flags
 
SO is trying to be lenient of Non-English rooms.
 
Rob
It cannot be offensive to someone if they do not understand it.
That's where this all falls through - we (at least I), don't trust the flaggers at the moment
 
If it comes right down to it, the only way to resolve this clearly is making a definitive statement about non english content
 
6:56 AM
If you don't trust the flagger, skip the flag. Don't validate it, but don't invalidate it either.
 
right now you could validate or not validate flags of that type and be right to
 
Let other users handle it.
 
Rob
@Cerbrus That's what I'll be doing now, until this obvious targetting stops
Anyway, time to head home
See you all later
 
Cya
 
@TheLostMind Whats your opinion on the flagging matter. Are you gonna ask the flagger to stop?
 
7:05 AM
@Magisch - Probably.
 
7:34 AM
\o
Well, for a question that short, 40% doesn't seem much.
 
it is a significant update, apparently by a colleague of the original OP, but making changes of that magnitude is dubious in any event
 
close pls the dupe is attracting answers
 
@cybermonkey Yep
Mike's right though.
 
@TIPS Are you PhMgBr?
 
@Magisch Of course not. I have a silicon in the middle.
 
8:06 AM
@Magisch, you bet stackexchange.com/users/3841881/phmgbr :D, just a mutation
 
It's caaaalled, a reaction.
 
Hmm... Activity has ought to have slowed down, and it really should be reversed. — Zizouz212 12 hours ago
Yasss! Feed us more "can't load java" questions!
 
8:31 AM
> I'm currently working on a project which was made by some guy who worked here before me. Only God and that guy knew what is written there. Now only God knows.
2
made me laugh
 
@TimCastelijns - "When I started coding it, Only God and I knew what was going on. Now that I've finished writing it, only God knows what's going on" :P
 
P\op @AndrasDeak
Hiya @TheLostMind
 
8:43 AM
@TheLostMind sounds familiar, sadly
 
\o @AshishAhujaツ , Yep, @TimCastelijns
 
Hiya @Yvette
 
I am guilty of this
 
@SmokeDetector f (requesting for plugin, wepage translated seems like plugin)
 
I tried to change something in one of my more convoluted C apps with inline assembly in it
and had to spend a day figuring out wtf I was doing before
 
8:55 AM
Hiya @Magisch
 
Hi Ashish
 
9:14 AM
Morning
 
Morning @Ferrybig
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Hiya @Sam
 
@Tuna ^^
 
Rob
@SmokeDetector sd naa
 
9:20 AM
no sd in cmd :D, since you are replying
 
@Rob User removed from blacklist (1976546 on stackoverflow.com).
 
Rob
Oh, didn't know that
Thanks :) @Petter
 
np
However, I don't know if it was good to remove from black list, I would have waited for @Tuna
 
Rob
I typically remove them all for false reports - since blacklisting is used to catch re-offenders. If they don't always post abuse/spam, they don't really need to be blacklisted for one offence (especially since it's automatically added on manual reports). Though I'll ping @Tunaki for his opinion anyway :)
 
9:26 AM
Is this post unclear?
 
Yeah lets ping him @Tuna :D
@Ferrybig its long.... :P
 
@TylerH It was worth trying it ;)
 
@Ferrybig, I think if you are interested you can work with op to narrow down and get clarifications about the question, I would not waste vote on it
 
Hiya @rene
 
@rene o/
My favorite flower is here \o/
#
 
9:30 AM
@Magisch aww thanks
 
Sam
Lol
 
Rene is always here.
This chat is his house.
 
Hiya @TIPS
My last 10 messages in this room are just saying hi to others. Now I'm breaking it
 
@rene lives in a meadow, among his flower friends. Not in a house.
 
@Magisch In a house of meadows
 
Sam
9:40 AM
🎶 The hills are alive with the sound of rene. 🎵
2
 
I wonder what the plural for the rene flower is
is it multiple rene or multiple renes
 
rene left :D
@TIPS rene left. Your point is proved wrong :)
 
rene doesn't leave. He blurs into invisibility
 
Magisch scared him again or a cow passed by on the meadow
a new command?
 
@PetterFriberg No. It's old. notspam and spam
 
9:45 AM
Its a alias of k, it means exactly the same, I just wanted to be differend
 
ok, a non documented back door people better be careful using sd spam?
as JAL did with sd naa?
 
@AshishAhujaツ That's what he wants you to believe.
 
> I prepared the code in WORD and then copied it into WordPress.
lol
 
@Yvette Do not know if it has sense in here, many of us have no account on hinduism.stackexchange.com
 
9:53 AM
@PetterFriberg Smokey sees the following things as comments when replaying to him, look out if you using those in your reply: naa n k true tp tpu f false falseu fp fpu spam notspam rude abuse abusive offensive delete remove gone postgone why poof
2
 
@PetterFriberg It wasn't even posted in here, just reported. Where you report it is irrelevant
 
@Magisch Sure np, I just think its better to report it in characoal if not a SO question
Since I click all, specially Yvette's reports ;)
 
@Ferrybig What does poof do?
 
sounds like postgone...
 
user3956566
10:09 AM
@PetterFriberg it's a script that is reporting into this room as well as charcoal. I'll need to check which scripts I'm using.
 
@Yvette, no problem
 
10:25 AM
Bye
 
\o
 
@TIPS Why do you change your name so often?
 
he's a volatile chemical
 
@Gothdo Often?
Doooooooooood
Last name change was two months ago or what.
 
10:33 AM
That's often.
Most people never change their name.
 
Change is part of life.
Or non-life, for that matter.
Do y'all do meta cv-pls's here?
 
There is not as much traffic on meta as on main, so a bad question on meta will be closed anyway, even without cv-pls.
 
Sam
@TIPS Nope, we stay away from moderating meta.
 
OK then
 
Wow, Jon Skeet closevoted that question.
 
10:39 AM
The sword of Damocles descended upon that mortal.
 
10:52 AM
Plop
 
11:06 AM
10 bucks says this question is going to get closed and reopened a couple of times. (Or mods lock it)
20k views in 2 days... wat
 
Hiya @Cerbrus
 
Oh, and by definition "Too broad", but it's at +157 votes, now -.-
Hai
 
@Cerbrus that top answers seems very broad as well
 
If anything, that confirms the question was too broad
2433 word in there. I've written essays that were shorter.
 
note that I haven't read through it, just noticed the enormity of it and the number of paragraphs it requires
 
11:09 AM
@Cerbrus Any chance there are 20000 students around the world with that problem?
 
There's a meta post about it, here
I'm curious how it got that many views
It must've been linked to somewhere online
 
11:25 AM
@Cerbrus It was linked on Hackernews, reddit (/r/programming) and reddit (/r/learnprogramming)
 
Basically, he spammed his question everywhere?
 
The original title even included the dreaded [homework]
 
Hiya @tuna
 
@Rob @Petter Yeah remove from blacklist, this was in Ferbuary
 
Maybe it was reposted by interested viewers
 
11:26 AM
Hiya o/
 
\o
 
Or students of the same course.
 
@Magisch that doesn't generate 150 votes and 20k views though
 
11:30 AM
A thread on /r/programming can do that
 
150 votes out of 20k views isn't very much at all.
So, primarily viewers that don't visit SO too often, or don't even have accounts
(--> don't vote)
 
Morning
 
Sam
Morning
 
Morning
 
11:39 AM
Morning
 
Not even a single 'Mroning?'
c'mon guys!
 
Mroning @MacroMan
 
yay
^_^
 
@Magisch How was your flag the other day?
I have another robo for you :p - in fact make it two.
 
11:41 AM
Magisch May 20 at 9:54 helpful
 
\o/
 
I love flagging robos
Shoot
 
the 20k views question got locked for now
 
11:45 AM
bye
 
@Tunaki flagged
 
@Magisch NATO has some gems :)
 
Sadly i cant see it
my question on TWP has hit HNQ :D
 
11:49 AM
ty
 
@Magisch at risk of sounding stupid - what's HNQ?
 
Hot network questions
 
I may agree with Madara there.
I have yet another @Magisch, I'll flag it myself...
 
@Cerbrus Here's my thought process
We get so much crap
I don't think we can really afford being really hard with the questions that are, finally, interesting
Yeah, it's too broad, but it was already answered, and answered well.
 
12:06 PM
Did you see my summary about the question's contents, @MadaraUchiha?
(In my answer on the Meta post)
 
The user with the accepted answer joined the debate.
 
I am really on the fence with that question. On the one hand like @Cerbrus says it id basically a code dump and do suggest how I can do my homework. On the other hand like @MadaraUchiha says it basically invites a list of things not to do in your code if you want to be a competent programmer which I do like which is broad but a lot like some other conicals. I'm so torn on which one outweighs the other one.
 
We should really discuss this on that question, and not here behind their backs
 
"I tend to write long/detailed answers" Ya don't say ;-) (Not my -1) — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
yeah I saw :)
 
12:16 PM
Imo, he shouldn't have answered the question in the first place.
Then we wouldn't be having this discussion
 
@Tunaki I think he is trying to be funny and the answer boils down to look for typos which IMHO should be a comment.
 
12:39 PM
Plop!
 
@Kyll Plop
 
Hiya
 
Kyll is here hugs
 
morning!
 
Plop gunr, Mag, Tuna
 
12:41 PM
morning
 
Hiya gunr
 
Uh, indeed
 
I don't think it's a code dump
@NathanOliver @Cerbrus
I can't read c++ very well, but it's implied that he tried at least some of it himself
And he's looking for additional input
 
Upcoming gadget: C++ glasses that explains C++ code to anyone, including C++ programmers.
 
12:49 PM
I find plain C more workable
 
@Tunaki We have that online already. cdecl.org
 
lol!
> C gibberish ↔ English
 
@MadaraUchiha I agree. But it's impossible to tell what he tried
He might just've changed 2 lines, and said "screw it"
Actually, code review might be a better fit for that question.
 
@Cerbrus Possible
 
12:55 PM
@MadaraUchiha But he never told us what so we could be telling him exactly what he has already done. After much internal debate I feel it is off topic until the OP details what he already has done and what constraints he is under. Right now even answers that say pick the wort time complexity algo would answer that Q and I doubt that is an acceptable answer.
 
They might like the twist
 
That'd be an option I'd support
Rule exceptions require rules to extend/retract the category if the category is to be well-defined. Anyone offering that exceptions should be allowed to the current too-broad category definition should be sure to offer new rules to define the exceptions. — kjhughes 1 min ago
@MadaraUchiha: Can you make heads or tails of that?
 
@Cerbrus "If we're making an exception, we should make the exception very specific"
As in "okay, even if the question is too broad, if it contains the word "unicorn" it's OK"
 
The Unicorn Exception :)
 
Meanwhile, PeterCordes clarified his meta answer by making it even longer.
 
12:59 PM
:D
 
@NathanOliver very well
 
We need human exception handlers! Oh, wait...
 

« first day (914 days earlier)      last day (2914 days later) »