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12:39 AM
@Deduplicator Bleh, I was only able to spend 4 delete votes in
 
 
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11:47 AM
@durron597 voted
 
 
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4:56 PM
so much hate :P
 
I think 10 of those is enough.
And I'm out of downvotes, close votes, and delete votes.
Another good day.
 
@durron597 wow - how much time do you spend doing this :)
 
I'm back!
 
@JonClements I'll borrow your diamond any time you like
 
haha... 'fraid the diamond isn't really meant for that :p
 
5:05 PM
@JonClements In all seriousness if you're searching in the right tags it really doesn't take that long.
 
has gotten a serious flood since I looked at it, please skim through and close some of the LQ ones
 
heya @Unihedron
 
@JonClements I know, I don't want to have the kiddie gloves that come with a diamond :)
 
@JonClements Hi.
 
besides - since everyone here is doing such a great job - who needs a diamond! :p
 
5:07 PM
@Unihedron Welcome back! Please click this link and then click Close 40 times
 
@durron597 that one has an upvoted answer, too.
 
@cimmanon I know, I downvoted both
 
Sam
@Unihedron Welcome back!
 
@JonClements @rene needs one. But he won't run
 
@JonClements making us stewards already :)
 
5:10 PM
@Closey status
 
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 22 hours, 38 minutes and 48 seconds.
 
@durron597 on it, not sure if I have enough CVs for this
 
I'll be starting reviews soon, we are trying out new bot code
 
@Unihedron You're unlikely to have enough. So much garbage in that tag
 
whoa, passed audit
almost slammed that close button too quick ;)
the reviewers' instinct: you know when it's an audit, even when you're bashing the close button through
 
5:13 PM
that's why I hit the edit button to check
or open in a new tab
 
I ain't checking :P I know it's not close worthy, I leave it open
 
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
@Unihedron Then there are the times that it turns out to be a bikeshed that actually is closeworthy
 
oh, I'm jaded enough not to fall for them
 
5:14 PM
@Closey alive
 
@gunr2171 I'm not dead yet!
 
@durron597 Well - that's up to him :p
 
Hey check it out, I have over 7000 downvotes now
my downvote count is about to exceed my helpful flags
 
@JonClements I would think that running this room and being #2 in the all time CV reviewer leaderboard would be a huge leg up. But what do I know
 
And he's ran this room for a long time
 
5:17 PM
@Unihedron Not quite OVER 9000!!!!!
 
but still, 7x your count >_>
 
@Unihedron True. But I go through really long periods of getting jaded with moderating SO.
 
:)
 
It often feels like trying to move a mountain with my bare hands
 
not intended to pick on you, just throwing facts out there
 
5:19 PM
I didn't think you were... but I'm sure everyone in this room feels the pain of VTCing 50 times a day and having that queue stay at 8k posts
 
SO is problematic in design; its problems are floating and escalating with the exuberant flow of new questions
 
@durron597 super agree
 
@durron597 as well as looking over their own tags :P
everytime I let an LQ question go through, I die a little.
 
We get like 2000 - 2500 CVs per day. We need closer to 10k
@Unihedron Haha, the first four questions I looked at in that tag were edited by you
 
It's kind of a shame that established users with a proven CV history can't get more close votes
 
5:22 PM
@JonClements You're telling us? ;)
 
33
Q: Refund close votes for questions deleted on the same day

MichaelTWhen a question is deleted the same vote-day as it was closed, refund the close votes cast on the question. There are three situations where this comes up: Question has a close vote or two, a comment tells the OP that this is off topic (or about issues with the question) and the OP self delete...

 
I mean, more CVs would be nice. Wouldn't more people CV-ing be better?
 
34
Q: Give extra close votes, only accessible via /review

MichaelTWith question and answer up and down votes, one has so many they may cast per vote period. From What are the limits on how I can cast, change, and retract votes? : Thirty post votes per day per user (includes upvotes and downvotes) Up to ten additional question-only votes per day per us...

 
I used to be on a streak of using up my CVs every day
then I got tired of having to wait until they replenish and went to do other things :P
 
I'm guessing the primary concern is the quality of them would get more lapse, the more one did or something
 
Sam
5:24 PM
That reminds me of an FR I wrote ages ago.
 
@JonClements having low quality posts unclosed is a even bigger concern
 
16
A: What privilege should 30k users get?

GlenH7More Close Votes Increased Review Queue Limits This is similar to, but different than Shadow Wizard's proposal for unlimited close votes Some of my logic for this request is echoed in this post on Meta.Programmers. The TL;DR version is that community members who are active in community mode...

 
SO has been giving a huge, negative impression to programmers seeking honest help; restraining the stewards won't do anything
making the standards clear do
 
from my POV - if the the number you're allowed to CV worked similar to the flag count you get -- ie: the more flags you get approved, the more flags you're allowed to make... but then, I think that's discussed before and wasn't practical
 
The problem that new users don't understand is that in order to get expert answers, you have to have an environment that expert users want to participate in. You won't get that if you allow discussions and opinion based questions and tool recommendations.
 
5:26 PM
@durron597 you got it
 
@JonClements I think the concern is "close vote cabals" of GOOD questions.
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 6 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@Unihedron I don't seem to have the start of your review session on record. I might have not been running when you started, or some error happened.
 
@Closey Don't record my sessions please.
 
@Unihedron Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
5:27 PM
@Closey commands
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
 
I'll remove you
 
@Closey sudo ignore Unihedron
 
@Unihedron Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
Whatever. :P
@JonClements even that system is flawed
 
5:28 PM
It's what we have to live with for now though :)
 
:24385097 You mean ?
 
yes
 
Sam
The
 
I'll be keeping an eye on the burninate stuff in case you hit locked posts - best I can do I'm afraid...
 
:)
 
Sam
5:29 PM
We'll pay you in waffles.
 
@JonClements Is there any way to have working links in tag wiki excerpts?
 
I removed the tag from the 3 locked posts for source-code
 
@durron597 no only plaintext
 
^^ what Uni said :)
 
@JonClements Thanks. And thanks again for doing the same in
 
5:33 PM
no worries - if I can help on this quest I will... but I'm sure you appreciate there's other stuff going on behind the scenes that's more urgent of attention and I can only be involved in community actions to a certain degree
 
Moderators are busy? I never figured that...
I'm surprised you have time to chat
 
Yeah - occasionally... we bother getting out of the lazy boy chairs, stop puffing on cuban cigars and drinking fine brandy and do something :p
 
@JonClements You could also help by deleting these two questions and locking this one after burning the tag
Actually I can burn the tag I suppose
I understand if you don't want to do any of those actions though.
Okay, I burned the first and third of those links if there's any interest in locking them
 
brb atomic chess tournament
 
@JonClements I voted for you (on the last election and the previous one), I have what I want now ;)
 
5:39 PM
@rene aww thanks :p
 
@JonClements I too voted for you
 
@durron597 locking is fairly last measure... the closest is an historical lock, but that's just nasty... as long as the Qs aren't attracting bad things or conversation on meta/other debate... they can just stay closed
 
@JonClements Yeah, that's what Robert Harvey said last time I asked for a lock like that one. I guess just burn the tag. The problem is when there are no appropriate tags remaining
 
Then either find a suitable tag, or use your votes I guess
 
43 mins ago, by durron597
And I'm out of downvotes, close votes, and delete votes.
I should probably consider answering a question every once in awhile
Instead of just telling @gunr2171 to do it.
 
5:46 PM
:P
 
Interestingly, while I have unlimited close and delete votes, think I'm still limited to the same up/down as everyone else :p
 
that's odd, but sort of make sense
 
@JonClements They've probably never thought about it. Most people aren't actively trying to feed the roomba every day
So they don't go through 40 votes very often
 
I'm back! I won that tournament.
I'm out of cvs for today anyway, so there's nothing I can do.
 
6:03 PM
So I answered a question and I don't even have any votes to downvote the other two terrible answers
I mean, seriously... who advocates for class child1 and class child2
 
6:31 PM
@Unihedron congrats!
 
6:43 PM
I'm not against closing questions but why is this closed against that particular reason? Did I miss something?
 
> Your [reopen] vote has been recorded.
 
Maybe it is a dupe but we agree on the weird closed reason?
 
@rene Yes.
That reason is "I don't like this question so I'll just VTC it"
 
I don't like java, let me close vote all those questions as a duplicate of a c# equivalent
 
About seven downvotes needed (all to -1): stackoverflow.com/….. stackoverflow.com/questions/6827941/…
 
6:52 PM
@Deduplicator Could you Delete Vote this please: stackoverflow.com/questions/1867867/…
Actually, wait a minute. Am I not allowed to see the ones that only 20ks can vote on?
I seem to recall that somewhere
 
@durron597 Needs a few more hours or 12 more downvotes, then sure
 
@durron597 in the 10k tools the ones for 20K are greyed out
 
@Deduplicator How many delete votes does it have already? (or are you saying you're out?)
 
@durron597 None, cannot delete that yet
 
So this post has 3 revisions so far, even though the post was made less than 5 minutes ago. Anyone have any ideas why?
 
6:55 PM
@Deduplicator Even with 24k rep? Huh
 
Yes, I can only start immediately after closing iff it's at -3
 
@gunr2171 no, strange
Looks like the grace period is failing?
 
and up to 5 now
Please take the time to write a complete answer before you publish, and avoid the fastest gun in the west problemgunr2171 20 secs ago
 
92
Q: Was the 5 minute edit grace period removed?

Josh CrozierI just answered a question at 2015-03-23 13:02:50Z, and then edited it at 2015-03-23 13:07:03Z. This edit was made within the 5 minute grace-period (4 minutes and 13 seconds after the question was answered). Yet the edit is shown in the revisions. I also just noticed that a similar thing happen...

 
ah, thanks!
 
7:01 PM
@Deduplicator oh right, duh
@gunr2171 the FGITW problem is ultimately a prisoner's dilemma problem
I would not answer a new question on SO these days without intending to make a revision
 
true, but what was done was excessive editing right out of the gate
 
Like, today I made this answer without code and then added code.
 
7:19 PM
Needs two downvotes: stackoverflow.com/q/6827941
 
7:29 PM
@durron597 You out of votes?
 
@Deduplicator Yes. All three types
 
7:51 PM
going to be late for the event, writing up an answer
 
Sam
Are we still testing the auto system?
 
what's today's event?
 
Everyone gets together to work on a single tag in the CV queue
 
@Closey alive?
 
@rene I'm not dead yet!
 
8:00 PM
0
A: Why does my WebClient return a 404 error most of the time, but not always?

gunr2171Cookies. It's because of cookies. As I started to dig into this problem I noticed that the first time I opened the site in a new browser I got a 404, but after refreshing (sometimes once, sometimes a few times) the site continued to work. That's when I busted out Chrome's Incognito mode and the...

 
@Closey start event
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
 
8,928 need review
1,885 reviews today
2,688,561 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
The streak has been broken @durron597!
 
8:00 PM
right?
@Closey starting
 
@rene May the Vote be with you!
 
@rene There are no open questions
 
Really, let me check
 
@gunr2171 What streak?
 
of me not answering posts
 
8:02 PM
@gunr2171 That's a good question and a good answer. Too bad I'm out of votes for another 4 hours ;)
 
:D
 
Ok, I broke the CVQ... again...
 
I really busted my butt to research why that happened
 
No more open questions in
 
@Closey starting
 
8:03 PM
@gunr2171 Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@Sam no, not testing the auto system right now, sorry
 
Sam
Okie dokie, np.
 
passed c++ audit
 
> I'm looking for an easy-to-use, free source code..... close vote
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
8:12 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 14 seconds ago and lasted 11 minutes and 8 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 16 seconds.
 
that is OK, I had all question in
 
passed ios audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
8:19 PM
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 9 seconds ago and lasted 16 minutes and 8 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 24 seconds.
 
Is anyone else reviewing?
 
I think it was just you and me
 
I see @easwee in the history but he didn't check in here ... (which he hardly ever do but still keeps going strong)
for the events I mean
 
Amazing reseach, this works flawless. async TryGetKBArticle() goodbye. :) — Physikbuddha 2 mins ago
:D :D :D
 
8:22 PM
Sorry - just hanging around - can't participate and all that
 
that's fine, we don't want to force anyone to in any way.
 
@gunr2171 We are proud of you ...
 
thanks
 
@rene I did mine way earlier
 
OK, np
 
8:29 PM
3 hours ago, by durron597
43 mins ago, by durron597
And I'm out of downvotes, close votes, and delete votes.
 
@durron597 you get an extra delete vote per each 1k you know?
 
@JonClements I answered two questions today!
 
(get 10 at 10k, then one per each 1k after that until 30k)
 
@JonClements It's just so aggravating fighting with FGITW bikesheds in
I only get patience to answer lots of questions once every few months. My rep graph is pretty hilarious imo
 
I'm tag neutral when it comes to such things... (my main language is Python) but have to look across the entire site etc...
 
8:34 PM
Just start over in Haskell, forget java, it is done
 
@rene Well, I'm also looking for the Java gold badge at some point
I got about 80 upvotes in my last "active" period
 
I get now and then upvotes for my VBA answer...very helpful to get a gold-badge in c#
I might consider retagging that question...just because I can...
 
sun... does those libs still get used today?
That is for backward compatibility or so?
 
@rene They're not going to rename the package just because they company has a different owner
 
8:40 PM
That is true
 
That is from Java 8 OpenJDK
 
I see, after all it is just a namespace.
 
@durron597 sigh - I should also learn on of those modern languages...
 
c# for life!
 
@rene Yeah
Also all the code is accessible via reflection so it could break old code to rename even package private classes
 
8:47 PM
I'm out ... bye
 
i'm also out for the day, bye!
 
take care
 
cya!
 
Sam
9:14 PM
@Clo starting
 
@Sam Good luck!
 
Sam
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@Sam Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
Sam
@Clo last session stats
 
@Sam Your last completed review session ended 10 seconds ago and lasted 6 minutes and 30 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 9 seconds.
 
Sam
9:21 PM
Not bad.
 
9:53 PM
We've closed / edited almost 150 questions so far! After like 1 day
 

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