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12:00 AM
ahhh I did almost ~22
and close vote counter again reset to 50.. anyway
I'll join you guys today night sure
@rene yup. did some cv stuff, I could not join that time because I was sleeping. anyway :) I will join today sure.
 
 
15 hours later…
2:34 PM
@TGMCians today we have event?
 
tomorrow
though we are going to review today
 
@easwee tmrw
@gunr2171 yup sure :)
 
oh ok - I'll just do regular votes today than
 
2:59 PM
Looking for some help with general DBA questions on SO to migrate to dba.stackexchange.com. Trying to vet the broad and off topic questions in the same. Not sure if they "should" migrate first or not. Some advice would be appreciated. Mostly mongodb and some SQL DB tagged questions. Is that okay to post links here? Or what would be the process. Talking about posts that get a lack of close votes but are clearly off-topic
 
@rene ^^
well, we can focus on a particular tag to get that tag cleared out in the queue
why do you need to migrate questions?
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/28046846/… Clearly off topic. Same sort of thing gets answered all the time on SO. Rarely gets migrated, but that is what seems to be expected to happen. No-one does it. Not enough votes anyhow.
 
I agree migrations happen very rarely. Even I have done barely any vote-to-migrate while closing a question.
The thing is, it's expected that you have a good knowledge of the target site before migrating, and most people don't have that
so semi-understandable
as for the linked question, yeah, that seems off-topic because it's about configuring database software
 
So just forget about it then and just expect a flood of DBA questions amonst the Programming questions? I wish someone would make up their mind about this. Answer them and someone complains, try to migrate and no-one wants to do it
 
I didn't say it made sense
oh, and does the [mongodb] tag get a lot of CV attention to begin with?
 
3:10 PM
Bit grey on "not configuraing database software" when talking mongodb. Kind of relies on a lot of system heavy stuff by design
Wish that were true :)
 
Yeah, well you know the close vote system is a lot of mud anyways. We are here just trying to walk through it until it gets fixed.
Now, i'm not saying that we should "forget about it", but something has to be done
and I don't really have a good answer for what that is
 
As someone with enough rep to do so the duplicate closes works well. A similar system on other close reasons should be equally applicable. IMHO. ie Not just to elected moderators, but on similar experience levels. Just an opinion of course.
 
Earlier gnat posted
18 hours ago, by gnat
50
A: Empowering tag-badge holders part II - let's look at silver?

gnatFollowing dupehammer spirit, it looks natural to give them 10-20 see details below extra close votes to bang in their tag. Note how this will also boost dupehammer holders power, allowing them to do their magic 10-20 more times a day. Another option worth considering is to allow for 10-20 extra ...

which is one idea
but yeah, maybe if you have a high rep on both SO and (say) DBA, you should have more power to migrate questions to the DBA site
 
Looks valid to me
I'm not saying that there is a lack of activity in the tag though that generally precludes CV activity. The main problem is the DBA centric and server centric questions. There is a glut of high rep users who coninue to respond of these questions rather than migrate or advise to re-post on an appropriate site. So I suppose what I am ultimately asking for is some external help/monitoring than those who are contributing on the tag
Happy to answer DBA questions. But I just think they should be answered in the correct place
yes and I did mean "continue" but multi-window keyboard fail
 
Hum, I know these questions fall on a gray line on on/off-topic. I'm good in MS Sql, but can't say much for other DB types. However, it will take quite the intervention to change the mind of many users.
 
3:24 PM
If you see my dilemma here, the bulk of people ( and the person who answered that post is arguably the top DBA expert for MongoDB ) who would be able to vet this are not actively participating. It's falling into a a "community fair usage" grey area. Which I would really appreciate some advice on organizing the "right thing to do" here. That is why any pointers and any help are welcome
 
Well first: meta post (and do your homework before you post). You need to strongly identify the qualities of these types of post that make them on and off topic.
 
Sorry I'm showing my english grey as compared to gray. I switch between english and american vernacular so often I forget
 
(doesn't matter, I know what you are talking about)
and maybe Adam doesn't know about the DBA site?
we can also invite him to this chatroom
you two can duke it out
 
You just make me roll on the floor laughing. Posting on meta in my experience is a complete waste of time unless you are "in the club". Sure way to be dow-nvoted and receive a bunch of useless comments. Perhaps I need to come back with +200,000 more rep score
Adam knows the DBA site and has a fair rep score there himself. Possibly the top in the tag. Let me go check
 
Sometimes I agree with you that posting on meta requires you to "be on the list", but it's not always like that, though asking for a radical change always gets you downvotes, no matter who is saying it or how well thought out it is (look at any website layout change ever)
 
3:30 PM
There is of course the option to hold a "meet" of various MongoDB cronies ( the hired ones at least ) and try to get some consensus. That makes some sense to me at least
 
Let me just say that the day I see respect from the meta crowd I'll change my opinion. In a solid year I have received absolutely none.
 
yeah, i know, it's harsh
people have opinions, and god forbid you go against the norm
 
And yeah. Adam is the top respondent on dba for mongodb. Nice guy too. +1 for very funny pic
 
7
Q: Where does the phrase "meta means murder" come from?

MosheWhen Meta is down, the now famous "Meta Means Murder" image is shown. Where does that phrase come from?

 
3:34 PM
Suppose I mist thicken my skin a bit
But what do you think? Fire off a meet to some of the guys who might be more civil and try to get some motion?
 
I think that would be good. Maybe make your own chatroom here and invite all the top people. Leave them a message and you can discuss it.
 
That is a good idea as well. but umm, some people tend to be a bit opinionated and over competive ( no bro love upvoting like a python tag here ) Worth a shot I guess
 
it's worth a shot, yes. just remember that it's not all sunshine and rainbows. people are going to disagree with you.
 
Good advice. Thanks for the time
 
no problem. feel free to drop by any time.
@TGMCians, @Sam, @easwee, if you have any other opinions or advice on ^^^ this whole thing, reply to Neil.
 
3:40 PM
Hah. just got reminded why to never post on meta. Yet another random troll downvoting an old question
Gotta love the positive vibes
 

mongodb migrations

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Bookmarked 8 secs ago by gunr2171

alright, i'm out for a hour or two, good talking with you
Posting a question to meta with a list of questions to possibly be migrated isn't really the appropriate use of Meta. If you believe these should be migrated to another site immediately, then go to chat asking others to help migrate them. — bluefeet ♦ 1 hour ago
Why do you fail to understand that you can go to chat and ask for help in migrating stuff? There is even a SO Close Vote room. — bluefeet ♦ 1 hour ago
oh, now I understand where this came from
 
4:02 PM
ok @NeilLunn, one last piece of advice now that I have seen the meta post this came from.
Forget meta. You don't need a discussion with the entire community. Unfortunately I do understand that your meta post was closed. It's the same as using the "other" flag to say a post should be closed; you should just use the more appropriate close flags. Same here, just go an flag them yourself, and ask for assistance from other comunity memebers to speed up the time to closure/migration.

Now, instead of saying "here is a list of question to migrage", say "Should mongodb questions that ask for XYZ be migrated?" it should stand more of a chance.
ok, now i'm really gone
 
 
2 hours later…
6:13 PM
@NeilLunn I'm happy to help but we can only be really effective if you pick a single tag, preferable low-traffic (so is not a good candidate), cast your migration votes on those and then leave a message in this room telling us which tag to filter on. We will take it from there. The best is a relatively short period between you casting your vote and us having an event.
Normally we are active in the evening ours of an SE-day (let's say from 18:00 UTC till 24:00 UTC) but you might catch us earlier on the SE day.
 
6:41 PM
@notgunr2171 starting
 
hold on a sec, i'll start the bot
in the middle of some refactoring
 
Oh, ok
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote chatbot started)
 
@notgunr2171 commands
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running
    commands - Shows this list
    help - Prints info about this software
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running
    status - tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it

Registered
    audit stats - shows stats about your recorded audits
    completed tags [min <#>] - shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
 
6:43 PM
ok, should be good now
@notgunr2171 starting
 
@gunr2171 May the Vote be with you!
 
@notgunr2171 starting
 
@rene May the Vote be with you!
 
I'm on
 
I think i'm finishing up with [facebook]
uh, does the css on SEDE look wrong?
 
6:46 PM
SEDE has got an update -- that might cause that.
 
any new features?
 
no idea; I only saw this:
 
@Tim while you at cleaning up the css can you also check why the tags are pushed to the bottom of the cell in the result grid, for example on this query result. Let me know if you rather have a new bug report for it. — rene 6 mins ago
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 hours ago, by Fundamental
We're deploying an updated version of the Data Explorer with updates from @tmslft, http://data.stackexchange.com will be back in a moment.
 
ah, ok thanks both of you
 
6:47 PM
That nicely interleaved..
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [facebook]"
 
Have no time now anymore, I got to go. Cya!
 
byes
 
0
Q: Tags get pushed to the bottom in a result grid

reneWhen running this query the tags get pushed to the bottom of their cells, as can be seen here: This seems to be happening since the latest update and is repro-ed in both IE and Chrome on Windows 7. Can this be fixed please?

 
Sam
@gunr2171 Erm, could you sum up the "whole thing" for me?
 
6:57 PM
There seems to be a lot of Sql (specificly mongodb) question that are off-topic and should be migrate to DBA.SE
Neil wants more migrations to happen, what can he do?
We came up with 1) start a chat room with other DBA members to discuss it
 
see my message to him @Sam
 
2) VTC close them himself and we can take it from there
 
sorry...
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Post on meta, calling together a fellowship to combat the vast migration.
 
that's about it in a nutshell
he already posted on meta before coming to this chat room
he got shut down hard there
 
Sam
6:58 PM
Oh.
Typical.
 
Why do you fail to understand that you can go to chat and ask for help in migrating stuff? There is even a SO Close Vote room. — bluefeet ♦ 4 hours ago
 
Sam
Well that's meta for ya.
So.
It's up to us then.
 
yup
 
Sam
~ The Fellowship of the Migration.
 
The One Close Vote to Rule Them All
 
Sam
7:00 PM
:D
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [website]"
 
"You shall not reopen!"
 
Sam
LOL
Speaking of which.
I've just watched the fully uncut version of the Fellowship of the Ring.
It's like three and a half hours long o_o
 
yeah, i need to have a marathon of LOTR 1-3 (directors cut/uncut)
 
Sam
I forgot what a great bunch of films they are.
 
7:02 PM
yeah, they really are
have not seen the hobbit films though
at should point i should
 
Sam
lol
Juat what I was going to ask.
 
it's like i'm reading your mind
 
Sam
Yeah, the Hobbit trilogy is great.
 
then i will see it whenever i can
 
Sam
I think my family are doing a complete Hobbit/LOTR marathon.
We've just seen the Hobbit films.
 
7:04 PM
oh god that's going to be full day event
 
Sam
And now the 1st LOTR...
We'll probably finish off the rest of 'em tomorrow.
@gunr2171 Totally.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [website]"
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [checkbox]"
 
passed java audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [checkbox]"
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
7:09 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more infomation use the command last session stats.
 
@notgunr2171 last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 12 seconds ago and lasted 26 minutes and 27 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 39 seconds.
 
Ok, now I have to run to get to the theatre in 20 minutes... bye
 
byes
 
Sam
7:11 PM
Cya.
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more infomation use the command last session stats.
 
@notgunr2171 show me my last review stats
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, I don't understand that.
 
drats
oh, this version does not have those variations
@notgunr2171 last session stats
 
7:17 PM
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 55 seconds ago and lasted 33 minutes and 23 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 50 seconds.
 
@notgunr2171 completed tags
 
@gunr2171 Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 3 people. To give a different threshold number, use the command completed tags min <#>.
 | Tag Name      | Count | Latest Time Cleared     |
 |-------------------------------------------------|
 | sqlite        | 4     | 2015-01-15 19:22:08 UTC |
 | jquery-mobile | 5     | 2015-01-14 21:36:07 UTC |
 | browser       | 4     | 2015-01-14 21:24:40 UTC |
 | parsing       | 4     | 2015-01-14 21:20:47 UTC |
 | winforms      | 4     | 2015-01-13 20:23:06 UTC |
 
@notgunr2171 completed tags min 2
 
@gunr2171 Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 2 people.
 | Tag Name      | Count | Latest Time Cleared     |
 |-------------------------------------------------|
 | checkbox      | 2     | 2015-01-20 19:09:41 UTC |
 | facebook      | 2     | 2015-01-20 18:49:21 UTC |
 | open-source   | 2     | 2015-01-19 19:33:32 UTC |
 | session       | 2     | 2015-01-15 19:23:44 UTC |
 | sqlite        | 4     | 2015-01-15 19:22:08 UTC |
 | jquery-mobile | 5     | 2015-01-14 21:36:07 UTC |
 | browser       | 4     | 2015-01-14 21:24:40 UTC |
 | parsing       | 4     | 2015-01-14 21:20:47 UTC |
 
ok, i need to leave for today. see you!
 
Sam
7:22 PM
Bye!
 
/me started
@notgunr2171 starting
I'm on website
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [website]"
I'm on checkbox
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [checkbox]"
I'm on google-maps-api-3
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
I'm out, bye
 
8:21 PM
@notgunr2171 commands
@notgunr2171 help
 
Sam
@AlexK I think the bot's dead.
 
ah gotch
I was confused.
 
Sam
59 mins ago, by gunr2171
ok, i need to leave for today. see you!
Yeah, the bot's down.
(Sine it currently runs on @gunr2171's machine)
 
8:53 PM
all right, tomorrow I plan to raid on "looking for" stuff in .net tag - doesn't seem to be much in there, because of intersection with c#. Probably I will also start php. As for today, I squeezed about dozen reviews from The Queue and picked the rest from review histories of rene, gunr2171 and TGMCians :)
 
9:29 PM
Ok, great, I'm available whole day, I'll check-in here around 09:00 CET and there is a scheduled close vote event for 18:30 UTC.
 

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