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12:06 AM
Sure (I don't have Dialog!)
This is the first pass with the font I had. Could use some work.
 
Not a 100% match, but close.
 
Well, I meant in the classic sense... keep the letters REB and L white on er, gray...just build out from how the logo was before.
I grabbed the O just for comparison to how the O looked in the dialog font.
 
Even that is a little more reminiscent.
This kind of idea?
Never mind, I think I get it (may be time to give up soon : )
Just trying to hit the right concept. Going to drop it for a while, need to get on with some other stuff...
 
12:26 AM
Ok dokie. Yup, that's what I meant, although I was thinking the curvature on the outside would match the inner curves.
Cool work, thanks!
 
 
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2:09 AM
@earl Say, any idea why the Red sources don't trim trailing whitespace on lines?
 
2:20 AM
@HostileFork because they didn't establish that as code convention.
bad habits ...
(and i've been too lax to force them into doing that.)
 
@earl Alas. Well, maybe at least the whitespace pre-commit hook can be standardized between Rebol and Red. It would be a start. :-/
 
 
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4:09 AM
Tried the Mac binary on my early-2007 MacBook—says 'illegal instruction'. OS X 10.6.8
 
 
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3:21 PM
@earl If Red is going to be drawing out the parse rules and trying to treat code as two-dimensional graph paper, then they definitely need to move to spaces instead of tabs.
 
4:03 PM
@rgchris you mean the rebolsouce mac-x86 (32b) binary?
 
@earl I also get "Illegal instruction: 4" on a 10.7.5 mac
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Q: "Illegal instruction: 4" shows up in OS X Lion

flowSome C++ application compiled and run seamlessly in OS X Snow Leopard, but I changed recently to OS X Lion, and here, although there is no compilation error, when I try to run it I get the error "Illegal instruction: 4", I have no clue, what could be the reason? PS: These are the linking flags...

 
ok, thanks. binaries were built on 10.8.2.
let's try retargeting to 10.5.
 
Guess we should look at what kind of changes that makes to file size or performance. If it's enough of a difference then offering binaries for individual versions may make sense.
 
Cannot make enough difference to warrant the additional effort :)
 
If it's negligible then I guess target back as far as it will still run...
 
4:13 PM
First Intel OSX was 10.4(.4), if I'm not mistaken.
From a totally unscientific first glance at test suite runs and the builtin speed?, there seems to be no glaring difference in performance.
Binary targeting 10.4 is 0.8% smaller than the original on (probably targeting 10.8).
 
what happened to system/user/home ? how can i get that in r3? am i supposed to pull it from the environment?
 
@onetom what do you need it for?
 
@earl That one seems to run ok here on 10.7.5
 
@rgchris please give bolka.at/2013/rebol3/r3-osx-10-4-ga6077e8 a try, and tell me if that works for you
@HostileFork Thanks. Then we'll better get that build flag into mainline. Will submit a pull to that effect.
 
i wanted to load ladislav's test framework from the location where i have downloaded it.
do to file! join get-env "HOME" %/r/rebol-test/test-framework.r
has anyone used it, btw?
 
4:25 PM
we use it regularly to run regression tests against R3, yes.
 
i just looked into its source and i dont completely understand why is it doing string parsing instead of block parsing. any idea?
i can see that the test suite is not loadable, but doesnt understand the location where it fails:
>> load %core-tests.r
** Syntax error: invalid constructor: [function! [] []]
** Where: to case load
** Near: to block! data
 
the core-tests suite also contains tests which exercise the parser, that's why string parsing is used.
 
hmmm that could have been done using load "string to test", isn't it?
also the http://www.rebol.org/art-display-article.r?article=n28vx documentation says:
8.2 Comments
Strings are used as comments
so when i try this for example:
functions/prefix
"Empty file"
[ prefix [] = [] ]
parsing fails on the 2nd line...
but no example
 
I don't think that "strings are used as comments" remark is accurate (anymore?).
 
is there any simpler alternative to this? i remember ppl were mentioning some adaptation of this framework to red. any pointers for that?
 
4:33 PM
Red uses Peter Wood's quick-test framework. I wouldn't call it simpler, but it is more "traditional".
 
dt2
reb4.me/x/forklogo-long.png this IMHO. After seeing this, i would understand where the [o] comes from. Can you emphasize the o somehow? Bigger, or different grayscale? parens and o blacker?
@rgchris
 
@onetom [prefix [] = []] should be enough for your example to work. You can keep the functions/prefix section demarcation, if you like.
For comments, just use plain ;-style coments as in Rebol.
 
thanks, @earl. im kinda used to rspec nowadays, so i was expecting something like that, with a bit better reporting functionality... :)
hm, i just remember, i started to write a cucumber clone, but that's not for unit testing, but integration testing... repos.rebol.info/malako
 
Ladislav's test-framework is remarkably straight-foward and simple. That said, reporting is not its strongest suite, at the moment.
 
5:03 PM
nice logo, @HostileFork
talking about sketching, do you guys know this tool: onemotion.com/flash/sketch-paint
i think it's best sketching program i've ever seen, because it's actually usable even by me :)
@earl it works for me but im on 10.8.2 too, so i guess it doesnt matter then, right?
 
@onetom thanks for reporting nevertheless. works for me on 10.8.2, doesn't hurt to hear it doesn't break on other 10.8.2s :)
 
@onetom I have Corel Painter and Adobe CS6. Though really, I still work quickest in an old program called Real Draw. Most similar to Fireworks. Does some things better, does many things worse, but I'm just fast with it.
 
5:19 PM
@HostileFork real draw is windows only?
 
@onetom Yup, I have a VM just for it. :-) Doesn't need anything fancy, runs on XP.
Hmmm... just got a weight loss spam from reboltutorial@yahoo.com...wonder if he has been using the internet irresponsibly :-P.
 
im getting such emails every few months from him too...
btw, i tried to draw a rebol logo with touchpad in the above mentioned tool. here is the result: dl.dropbox.com/u/586471/Pictures/… just for the lolz ;)
 
5:37 PM
@onetom Well, it's recognizable! :-) That style is totally passable for a webcomic...it could be funny to have a comic strip with icons of all the languages making jokes at each other. And so far, I think the icon is distinctive, meaningful, and one of the best I've seen, I don't know of any language using anything similar.
Lua's is interesting, they did create a motif that can be applied elsewhere
 
5:59 PM
I see. So with R3, now, the same thing is happening that happened when people tried to use old JavaScript written for the web with Node.JS, in terms of defaulting everything to global to having to be explicitly exported.
Or is that only if you have an exports section?
 
Depends on how you load the script. If you use the newfangled and undocumented module system along with IMPORT, then yes, each script (module) has its own namespace and nothing is exported from that namespace and imported into the caller's namespace unless it is marked as "to be exported".
 
 
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7:23 PM
@earl Yes, that works.
@dt2 will try to hit it in my next gfx session...
Woohoo—[home] and [end] work in the console!!!
How do I copy over my R2 prompt? {^[[31m^[[5D>>^[[0m^[[4D }
 
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Q: Preserving PAREN! when a reduce operation is run on a block

HostileForkWhen you use REDUCE, PAREN! groups are used for precedence on items that can be run through the DO dialect: >> reduce ["Hello" (3 + 4) * 5] == ["Hello" 35] While in the COMPOSE dialect, PAREN! is used to call out which parts of the block you want to evaluate with the DO dialect, leaving ...

More institutional knowledge. I had a bug where I was using parens in a parse rule that was being reduced, and I was like "wait, why is it hitting that on the first parse... that rule shouldn't be firing..."
Then I thought: "wait, what do I do here? I'd need to make a dummy function that took a block and returned a paren..." (Oh. Wait. That exists.)
Still, kind of ugly.
 
7:41 PM
I gave you a quick answer! Not sure it's very helpful...
For a parse rule, you don't need first.
reduce ["Hello" (3 + 4) * 5 [("inside!")]] would fit the bill.
Or if you had a flatten function. flatten reduce ["Hello" (3 + 4) * 5 [("inside!")]]
 
7:58 PM
Waiting to reset my CureCode password—is ask/hide reported as a bug?
 
If one wishes to use parse on a binary!, how does one parse byte-by-byte?
parse #{BDA0} [#{BD} #{A0}] == false ; in Rebol 2, true in Rebol 3
 
Char!
parse #{BDA0} [#"^(BD)" #"^(A0)"]
 
Both work in Rebol 3, neither seem to work in Rebol 2.
 
Hmm, was sure that worked in R2!
 
Works in 2.7.8.4.2 (linux) but does not seem to work in 2.7.8.2.5 (mac)
 
8:22 PM
Nor it does. Well that's not good...
 
8:35 PM
Hello @Patryk, welcome to the Rebol room. An odd language followed by odd people. :-) Recently it became open source after 15 years of relative obscurity. So we're working on things like logos and build farms for it. Not to mention trying to get longstanding pet-peeves fixed in the code...
 
8:46 PM
@rgchris Can you explain this, though..?! UTF8-tail: charset [#"^(80)" - #"^(BF)"] ... UTF8-2: reduce [charset [#"^(C2)" - #"^(DF)"] UTF8-tail] ... parse #{E4BD} UTF8-2 == true
That should fail, the first byte is a #{E4}. Why would that match? :-/
(It correctly fails in R2, but returns a true in R3...)
 
9:18 PM
Well, here's a repro study, I'm not sure why that particular range has the problem. :-/ Further hammering needed.
 
9:28 PM
Think I got it.
>> find charset [#"^(C0)" - #"^(C4)"] #{80}
== none

>> find charset [#"^(C0)" - #"^(C4)"] #"^(80)"
== none

>> find charset [#"^(C0)" - #"^(C4)"] to-binary #"^(80)"
== true

>> to-binary #"^(80)"
== #{C280}
Therein lies the smoking gun, I think: internally if you are parsing along in a binary and try to match against a character, it will nab the next byte...convert it into a character...and use the find test. But the find only looks at the first byte.
 
 
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11:27 PM
@rgchris You should be able to search even without being logged in. Seems to be reported as #1388: issue.cc/r3/1388
@rgchris Thanks for testing.
 
@earl So I wrote a little test that only sets one byte as being in a bitset, and then loops through to find any discrepancies between what FIND and PARSE against that bitset produce. Results here
It's clearly equating upper/lowercase, even though it's a binary parse. Telling it to do PARSE/CASE doesn't make it any better. Not sure what the equivalences in the high-bit set range are for, those are weirder
 
@HostileFork Seems like a glaring bug. I'm have a strong recollection that there are quite a few other bugs in bitsets (and charsets) at the moment, but I don't remember what they were.
 
@HostileFork Well, inverted condition stupidity. Check_Bit's last argument is called "uncased".
An easy fix, at least.
 
Growl.
One of those moments where a sensible person would go around and check all the instances. Or make a special typed enum instead of passing booleans.
 
11:42 PM
Just checked the instances in parse, the other two uses are ok.
All other uses seem to be ok as well.
(Should probably be inverted nevertheless. But then a sane person would have to check and adapt other internal interfaces as well ... rabbit hole ...)
 
@earl Don't care if it's inverted or not, one just shouldn't use booleans when a stronger type will do...! It doesn't take up any more space!
@earl Yup, fixed. Doesn't matter for the binary check if I use PARSE or PARSE/CASE
Shall I submit this one? :-)
 
@HostileFork Sure, someone should^Wmust. If you don't, I will :)
 
Well, I've been narrowing this one down all day from the Red unicode parsing
So I'll do it. :)
 
Go for it!
 
I pretty much understand Red, mostly, now.
Making it run on R3 is not...the most gratifying way to be introduced to the codebase. But it certainly has me reading a lot of it (kind of like making Rebol compile in C++ w/const-correct literals, etc)
 
11:54 PM
Btw, you'll may see the full fun of Rebolish madness soon. I'd give it 1:1 odds that the parse for bitsets behaviour you discovered is actually "by design".
 
Well, if the standard answer for not having casing in maps is "use a binary" then I'd say that when you're parsing a BINARY! and not a CHAR! then I don't see how that would be true. It looks like a plain old typo (well, brain-o)
 
Well, it could well be that charsets are case-sensitive in parse by default (even without /case), and that someone then decided that /case just toggles this behaviour, for charsets.
 

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