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12:02 AM
Build 9fd50b6 on 27-May-2017/23:08:20Z is now available for download. Please use debug builds and report issues. No warranty of fitness is implied.
These are the direct links for OSX x64, Win x64, Linux x64, and Android-arm.
 
12:13 AM
@johnk seems the tweet did not work :(
 
12:33 AM
Might need to check the Twitter script—seems they switched to strictly lowercase HTTP headers.
 
1:20 AM
@rgchris it worked a couple of weeks ago. Who has the Twitter credentials?
Is there a Twitter API or are we just masquerading as a browser client?
@rgchris what's the purpose of the as-string function in shttpd? When would it receive invalid utf8?
 
2:21 AM
#Rebol Commit 21f0ac7 of rebol3 is now available http://metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html with path fix and http debugging - all caffeine free!
 
 
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7:24 AM
@HostileFork this keeps timing out travis-ci.org/metaeducation/ren-c/jobs/236822857
not sure what's going on since all the others go on to completion
 
Build 4c29aae on 28-May-2017/6:23:27Z is now available for download. Please use debug builds and report issues. No warranty of fitness is implied.
These are the direct links for OSX x64, Win x64, Linux x64, and Android-arm.
 
 
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8:42 AM
posted on May 28, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: pcworld.com How to get Bash on Windows 10 with the Anniversary Update Presently, Bash in the Windows 10 Anniversary Update is based on Ubuntu 14.04, but Microsoft is working on support for the newer Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, too. To Update sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade You'll need Gi

 
 
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3:17 PM
@GrahamChiu that's because it turned on address sanitizer and R3_ALWAYS_MALLOC, so all the memory allocations will go through malloc and thus the address sanitizer, which is very expensive
 
 
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7:20 PM
@ShixinZeng Hmm. Sure that explains it?
 
7:58 PM
It times out due to lack of output. What happens when it's compiled locally?
 
@rgchris the feed from the forum is using links to rebolchat.me instead of forum.rebol.info
 
@Adrian I imagine it's one of the site settings—I don't have access to that any longer.
Discourse setting, that is.
 
so it's not on your side that something needs to change?
 
rgchris has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
Can maybe see if that works.
No—looks like a setting that needs to be changed in the Discourse settings panel.
 
8:17 PM
posted on May 28, 2017 by @asampal Adrian Sampaleanu

@asampal wrote: Let's see if Chris' change did anything. Posts: 1 Participants: 1 Read full topic

 
@GrahamChiu Older browser? Better to anticipate badly formed requests than not imo.
 
@rgchris well a client shouldn't crash the server and I guess a malicious client can be crafted easily enough in Rebol
 
@GrahamChiu It does use the Twitter API. I believe they made the switch this past week.
 
@rgchris ok, I'll have a look when I have some free time if everyone else is too busy
 
@GrahamChiu Not saying it would, just that it's a possibility there are some browsers/bots not built using UTF-8. Don't think malicious would be an issue.
 
8:21 PM
@rgchris just coding errors :)
 
Not necessarily—last I checked HTTP didn't mandate UTF-8.
Indeed if anything it's ISO-8859-1
@GrahamChiu Worst case scenario is that it may need to be addressed in the HTTP scheme.
 
@rgchris nothing in the settings to change
@GrahamChiu did you make that change in app.yaml for the domain switch as mentioned in the link you posted, meta.discourse.org/t/… ?
 
@Adrian not yet .. I was waiting for the domain to propagate across all earthly realms
 
ok, then that's probably why the feed in here still links back to rebolchat.me
 
Most likely.
 
8:51 PM
posted on May 28, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: New domain is now active and old relegated to historical interest only. But email apis like sendgrid.net still use it so that needs to be reconfigured as well Posts: 1 Participants: 1 Read full topic

 
@HostileFork Could be set to use TAKE?
@Feeds Works.
 
9:06 PM
Luckily sendgrid uses an api, but the other one I tried which I couldn't get working used dkim which meant configuring domain settings which is not so helpful when switching domains. In other words, email still works
 
9:22 PM
I read that blockchains are being looked at as a way of recording medical data and there is one person who has asked about if anyone is using rebol to program blockchains
So, is the technology just a sequence of encryption steps and communicating your changes to other nodes?
 
@GrahamChiu Blockchains are a specific solution to a specific problem regarding distributed ledgers and cohering transactions. Stopping double-spending, that sort of thing.
 
wired.com/2017/02/moving-patient-data-messy-blockchain-help /moving-patient-data-messy-blockchain-help
 
Right.
It's about a kind of consensus of the current state.
 
He sees a blockchain-underwritten future in which a patient’s every health care interaction goes into a ledger every provider can see. “The EHRs may be very different and come from lots of different places,” Halamka says, “but the ledger itself is standardized.”

Every time a digital transaction takes place, bits of code group it into an encrypted block with other transactions happening at the same time. For bitcoin, this would be a flurry of buying and selling. For EHRs, it might be all the things that happen to you on a doctor’s visit (blood work, a new prescription, maybe some X-rays). T
so often there are errors in medical records introduced by people. I guess this would track down when errors are entered and how to correct them as well
 
As interesting as distributed approaches are, do note that what people keep doing when they get a distributed technology, is feeling that it's inconvenient and build a centralized system on top of it. e.g. Google, Facebook on top of the "distributed" internet.
 
9:28 PM
but we're looking for a fixed trail we can follow, and don't want fake news or fake results!
 
We used to have Napster, now we have Spotify
So much for decentralization
And BitTorrent usage is being blocked by ISPs
 
well, that's a royalty issue isn't it?
@HostileFork good job I never sat down to try and write a rebol client then
Although I see there's a haskell client
 
Whatever the reasons or motives may be, I doubt you would imagine the power players in the medical industry being somehow more egalitarian than the recording industry.
I think people are probably eager to figure out how to sprinkle blockchain onto an existing system and see if it's the next big thing. Like sprinkling Internet onto banking and getting paypal. Or sprinkling internet onto the phone and getting Skype. Or sprinkling internet onto the classifieds section and getting Craigslist.
 
well, all the power players fell into line when the US govt introduced standards which has basically increased burnout amongst physicians due to crap implementations
 
But sprinkling cryptography onto things has, as of yet, not been profitable because unlike sprinkling internet onto things, it asks for higher levels of human accountability
 
9:32 PM
So, one issue i get is that I see letters from GPs, and they're incoherent
 
The reason BitCoin has succeeded, as per previous discussion, is anonymous transactions which powers dark markets
 
there's no timestamping of when drugs were changed and what they're taking now - due to really bad medical records systems
Even patients often have no idea what they're taking
 
Well, if people can't get their act together in a centralized system, I don't think a decentralized one will fare better on a mechanical basis.
 
except we're not centralised
 
Decentralization is a technique that helps address certain problems, but systemic incompetence isn't a problem decentralization can solve.
 
9:34 PM
we're decentralised and that's the issue
we have a bunch of flaky nodes everywhere feeding data in
 
Well, you can't store X-rays in a blockchain, you'd have to store hashes
 
sure
we need a hash to a digital object somewhere
 
So who stores the X-rays? How do you get them?
 
well, you can only get them if you have rights
so I have logins to various radiology facilities where I can view x-rays
 
Well, now you're back to your previous problem. All blockchain is giving you is a negotiated consensus of what's current.
In BitCoin, that's bank balances
 
9:36 PM
but often I have no idea who the provider is .. patient just says .. I had an x-ray last week
but with a blockchain I can see the time the x-ray was done and hopefully the hash will tell me by whom
If i have the rights of course
 
Well, who's the adversary? Someone trying to claim a more recent X-ray?
 
the patient is the adversary .. in advertent of course
 
Blockchain is robust to certain kinds of attacks, and the reason it is used in BitCoin is because, one presumes, an adversary always wants to say they have more money than they do.
 
they're often not turing complete
So, a distributed ledger is something that would be very useful in medicine
 
And BitCoin only works because people devote computational power to nodes that maintain the ledgers and resolve conflicts
There's an incentive for them, they are "mining" coin in the process.
 
9:39 PM
And the govt wants to cut down on waste .. duplication of investigations
There's a benefit to the country
to cut back on medical waste
 
Well, if you want to start a blockchain EHR company I'm sure people would trip over themselves throwing money at us.
 
there are already companies doing this
 
But as previously mentioned, I find the whole thing a bit distasteful.
Satoshi Nakamoto is the name used by the unknown person or persons who designed bitcoin and created its original reference implementation. As a part of the implementation, he also devised the first blockchain database. In the process he was the first to solve the double spending problem for digital currency. He was active in the development of bitcoin up until December 2010. Nakamoto has claimed to be a man living in Japan, born on 5 April 1975. However, speculation about the true identity of Nakamoto has mostly focused on a number of cryptography and computer science experts of non-Japanese descent...
 
Well, I see waste of resources also very distasteful
 
Birthday suspiciously close to mine...
I actually did, propose something BitCoin-like to Richard Stallman
Wonder if anyone has that mail
No technical solution, just a hypothetical
 
9:45 PM
@HostileFork well if you had a few hundred million dollars now as a result, perhaps you can start posting some bounties!
 
Some libertarian people were bugging me, and I said "well if you want to solve that problem you need to let people run software that makes each person have their own stock"
 
$100 invested in BC 10 years ago is now worth $200M.
 
But I saw it as a currency factory, which you might say is a bit like the multiple different X-Coins based on it. I never thought one abstract currency would be as valuable as BitCoin
It seems preposterous to me that people have let this be the outcome, but, it hardens the technology because there's attack incentive
 
well I'm less interested in the currency use vs tracking medical data
 
Well, you claim the adversary is the patient and/or institutional laziness
The problem is, your adversaries are also your data suppliers
Really, blockchain is designed to solve a very specific problem in distributed ledgers
I don't know that's the most pressing problem in EHR
I could imagine a sci-fi world in which it would be an important thing. Sure. I just don't map that sci-fi world onto our current reality.
 
 
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10:54 PM
They're not willing adversaries, it's due to human qualities such as incomplete recall we need to circumvent
 
@GrahamChiu Still, blockchain is very specific. It's about creating an incentive program for those who maintain and mine the ledgers. You need to have a reason for the people running the nodes, it's not clear what you'd pay the EHR maintainers for, or why it is exactly you need to resolve disputes in a decentralized way.
What disputes? What compensation?
 

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