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12:00 AM
@HostileFork it defaults to printing, and print returns nothing so it errors
there's no return value from print
@RebolBot json
 
@GrahamChiu Can you be a little more specific?
 
@GrahamChiu I assume the intent is ultimately to do what TryRebol did?
 
@HostileFork oh yeah, it's a first pass .. waiting for someone else to fix!
without the print .. no values were returned
unless the eval itself printed
 
@GrahamChiu well, per the above there's now a port scheme attached to the C code for ODBC.
3
So, a bit further.
 
@HostileFork nice
@Halie like JS it has some functional aspects to the language
@HostileFork I can always trap those types of errors and not report them back
 
12:13 AM
@GrahamChiu Well why don't you just not print voids? Really all you need to do is do a == result and avoid printing it if the result is void.
 
12:25 AM
>> print "hello @HostileFork"
 
~r3> print "hello @HostileFork"
hello @HostileFork
 
>> "goodbye @HostileFork"
 
~r3> "goodbye @HostileFork"
goodbye @HostileFork
 
>> parse to string! read hostilefork.com [thru <title> copy title to <title> to end (print title)]
 
oh dear
 
12:28 AM
>> parse to string! read hostilefork.com [thru <title> copy title to </title> to end (print title)]
 
~r3> parse to string! read http://hostilefork.com [thru <title> copy title to </title> to end (print title)]
: Hostile Fork Projects
true
 
Should have said == false
But looking good, in general! Nice to have you back, @RebolBot
 
that's the eval bit now
probably don't need that trap now
 
@GrahamChiu Note that ok? is the same as not error?
 
@HostileFork ok? is unless ?
 
12:33 AM
Also, TRAP? returns true if an error is trapped. So not trap? is synonymous with not error? trap
 
I've seen those but haven't quite incorporated them into my repertoire :)
@HostileFork but using trap? [ ] means you don't get the error?
 
@GrahamChiu Well, using not error? trap means you don't get the error either.
 
 
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1:41 AM
@GrahamChiu Yes I have been with Rebol from the very beginning. My name is Mike Yaunish. Hopefully I will be making an alpha release of some software that I have been working on for 15 years.
 
2:34 AM
@dogeye Welcome and feel free to ask questions about what's going on here. The goal has been to stabilize and enhance the open-sourced R3-Alpha code. There is at the moment no specific effort to develop the GUI, the focus is on the language itself
 
2:45 AM
@hostilefork My rebol/commit is blank. I can see that comes from an environment variable GIT_COMMIT, but I have no idea when/how that should get set. I have just installed Git, been using sourcetree, in case that helps. The build is done by mingw32-make. Any thoughts?
Not very important though, I just thought I'd try out the changelog-at thing, which also pointed to the fact that my browser is apparently defaulting to Internet Explorer instead of Edge which I thought was the Win 10 default. Also not very important.
 
 
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4:18 AM
@dogeye ahh, very old "Mike Yaunish's Reb Site" :)
@Brett the commit would be blank unless it's set inside the Travis environment
so, all your self builds will have a rebol/commit = _
@Brett @dogeye Please sign up to the alt-rebol forum where we hope to capture more permanent discussions rather than the more ephemeral ones here
 
4:43 AM
Build 21f0ac7 on 27-May-2017/1:34:16Z is now available for download. Please use debug builds and report issues. No warranty of fitness is implied.
These are the direct links for OSX x64, Win x64, Linux x64, and Android-arm.
 
5:06 AM
output: copy ""
call/output ["git" "rev-parse" "HEAD"] output
set-env "GIT_COMMIT" output
might set the GIT_COMMIT env var but after that ... you'd have to call make
 
5:34 AM
output: copy ""
call/output ["git" "rev-parse" "HEAD"] output
changelog-at output
should do what you want
 
6:01 AM
posted on May 27, 2017 by @asampal Adrian Sampaleanu

@asampal wrote: (Replace this first paragraph with a brief description of your new category. This guidance will appear in the category selection area, so try to keep it below 200 characters. Until you edit this description or create topics, this category won't appear on the categories page.) Use the following paragraphs for a longer description, or to

 
6:25 AM
posted on May 27, 2017 by @asampal Adrian Sampaleanu

@asampal wrote: I added the admin role to too many users, I think. I'll just keep it on for the users actually doing site admin work - myself, @gchiu, and @draegtun. Posts: 1 Participants: 1 Read full topic

posted on May 27, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: So, I have pulled down the latest source inside the directory where my repo is git pull After making some changes that I've tested by compiling I want to commit these. I'll do a git pull to make sure that there are no conflicts. But sometimes, I see errors with files that I've made changes to files that I don't want so I just delete the

 
6:43 AM
posted on May 27, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: Red commit logs appear here and will be generated by a ren-c script. Posts: 1 Participants: 1 Read full topic

 
7:01 AM
@Brett I don't know how familiar you are with git, but we've created a topic on it just for those who have to deal with it to do our small commits to ren-c!
maybe those with git fu can help us out
 
@GrahamChiu Thanks, not much familiar at all. Have bee using SourceTree.
 
@Brett I found the guis all confusing and so am just sticking to the command line
 
@GrahamChiu Thanks for this. I now can get the commit into my self build which is great, but now I'm wondering why changelog-at has no value.
 
@Brett what do you mean no value?
you need to download it first do <changelog>
 
Oh.
 
7:04 AM
it's a community utility hosted on github
well, it's only there because I couldn't figure out how to include it with the ren-c binary
 
Ok, so I have it now. But I thought I had it before. Did you have it in then move it out sometime?
 
import <json> didn't work from %mezz-debug.r functions
@Brett No, it's purely user mode internet function
 
Must be confusing myself then.
 
Yeah .. possibly. things are in a state of constant flux.
 
@Brett The git-commit is a parameter to the make -f makefile.boot process
 
7:08 AM
there is a separate changes function which browses to a changes.MD page on github and that needs curating.
 
Oh ok. I just did this in build batch file which seems to make it work:
cd ren-c
for /f %%i in ('git rev-parse head') do set GIT_COMMIT=%%i
cd ..
 
Travis explicitly specifies it, but the way it finds out what the commit is, is by calling git and saving the result into an environment variable, but then that environment variable is passed to the make.
There shouldn't be any automatic reading of GIT_COMMIT in the make scripts, unless something has changed. You have to pass it to the make process as a parameter.
Git is a fairly rigid file format, there's probably not much stopping us from using Rebol to get the commit out, and not even need to know where a git exe is
 
@GrahamChiu What rule of thumb do I use to talk there or here?
@HostileFork That would have obviated my need to install git then.
But I probably should learn it sometime.
 
@Brett Well, if you didn't install git, and are building from a download without a .git subdirectory, there'd be no knowledge of the commit
 
@Brett I think if you want a quick answer, then here
 
7:13 AM
The database of versioning and such is all under a directory called .git
 
@HostileFork I mean vs Sourcetree that has git embedded.
 
Otherwise if it's something that is going to add to a knowledge base then there
 
Yes, right
 
the trouble with here is that it's ephemeral so lots of good info just vanishes
unless someone commits to mining the chat here and saving it there
 
Don't know it's good till after it's been said :-)
 
7:14 AM
But if you post it there, it appears here anyway!
 
Ok that's probably better.
@GrahamChiu That's how codeconscious started but it was a lot of work and I wasn't particulary good at it!
Ok thanks for the help gents.
 
@Brett but it's highly referenced!
comes up on all the google searches
 
First mover advantage? Looks like a dog's breakfast now.
Not even "mobile friendly" apparently.
 
@Brett who would have thought phones would now outnumber desktops for browsing?
 
@GrahamChiu I recall having the thought quite early along that applications would be mobile - but it was a long time before things actually happened. I doubt I was alone in that thinking.
Some things have a certain inevitability about them.
 
7:26 AM
Oh, <changelog> is one of those I moved to the utils folder so you'll need the very latest binaries for that
 
Seems to work fine on the self build.
 
yes, because you picked up the latest source :)
 
I try to be diligent - when I remember.
TTFN
 
Well,I think it's great more of us are helping to commit to the source .. and it's not just @HostileFork and @ShixinZeng
 
@GrahamChiu Yup!
 
7:30 AM
BTW, all these functions and modules can be fixed/upgraded and are then instantly available to all the users
without any need to recompile anything
Conversely they can be broken, and then they break for everyone unless you've saved it ! :(
 
7:58 AM
@Brett are you saying you can't view the forum on your phone? The Discourse app shows it pretty nicely for me.
 
@Adrian He's saying that his website that he started a few decades ago doesn't display well on phones
 
well, I guess "nicely" is subjective, if you called it a dog's breakfast
oh
 
8:22 AM
Can someone else try compiling with this patch ? github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/tree/gchiu-patch-8
it gave a panic last night when I ran a travis built binary with debug etc but works fine on my 32 bit compile
 
8:37 AM
Looks Karl has got the spelling incorrect here and it should he EHLO and not HELO .. but no obvious way to send feedback to him
 
 
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10:27 AM
posted on May 27, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: stackoverflow.com How do I properly force a Git push? git, push, git-push, git-non-bare-repository asked by Spyros on 05:35AM - 01 Apr 11 This is the issue I've had before on my own repository when I tried to push my local changes to my GitHub reposito

 
 
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12:15 PM
@GrahamChiu What's the panic?
Could someone please rewrite scan-net-header in usermode so we can delete that native?
 
 
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6:32 PM
@HostileFork I do believe this was usermode (PARSE-HEADER) in Rebol 2.
 
6:50 PM
Although of course that code is copyright—don't think it was ever part of an open source release.
 
7:29 PM
@rgchris all rebol 2 code that was released in the SDK was copyright but free to use as long as improvements were sent back to RT or something similar.
The statement will be in the header of any of the SDK files
 
7:46 PM
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Q: Rebol: how to apply same parse rule to multiple lines pasted from windows clipboard

user310291Let's say I have in clipboard title1: (todelete) blah blah title2: (also to delete) blah blah blah In the end I want this output title1: blah blah title2: blah blah blah I kow how to parse one line and append it to a block parse/all clipboard [copy x to "(" (append block x) thru ")" copy x...

 
8:05 PM
@rebolek or whoever is involved with Red issues, parse "abc" [while []] locks up, can't be Ctrl-C'd.
@GrahamChiu Red has copy/pasted a lot of mezzanines.
 
@HostileFork Red contributors no doubt
Wasn't @iArnold told off for just porting r3 code for entab/detab ?
	; You are free to use, modify, and distribute this file as long as the
	; above header, copyright, and this entire comment remains intact.
	; This software is provided "as is" without warranties of any kind.
	; In no event shall REBOL Technologies or source contributors be liable
	; for any damages of any kind, even if advised of the possibility of such
	; damage. See license for more information.

	; Please help us to improve this software by contributing changes and
	; fixes. See rebol.com/support.html for details.
So, there's no problem with using parse-header
 
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A: Rebol: how to apply same parse rule to multiple lines pasted from windows clipboard

Graham ChiuThe very simplest way is to split the text into lines and then apply your rule to each line >> parse/all read clipboard:// "^/" == ["title1: (todelete) blah blah" "title2: (also to delete) blah blah blah"] If you want to do it in one hit, you apply your rule more than once using some parse...

 
@HostileFork oh, it's not there now. Maybe the console fixes removed it. But I get this error instead
** Internal Error: invalid UTF-8 byte sequence found during decoding
** Where: to if if check-response switch --anonymous-- wake-up either until --anonymous-- wait until sync-op either --anonymous-- read dl-renc
** Near: to string! conn/data ?? dump body
** File: ../src/core/s-unicode.c
** Line: 901
ⓘ  Note: use WHY for more error information
 
8:22 PM
@GrahamChiu Yes. There was a Trello item on the board and I solved it using porting R3 code,but because I did it now it was to be Red mezz stuff what was not specified before, and a bunch of other excuses.
When I started freered, one of the first things I did was accept the PR for it, it has no real risk and when it will be replaced, it can be removed with the same ease.
So spread the word, freered has it!!
Freered also has tau (tauday,org), soon freered can compile programs for freebsd again, soon freered platform will grow 100%.
 
8:42 PM
@iArnold freebsd?
 
My Macbook is too old too upgrade. I am considering a laptop and run TrueOS on that.
 
@iArnold that's a long post! How come your Rebol3 blogs aren't that long! :)
But I don't know of any freeBSD users here ... so we don't have a freeBSD target. Don't you want to work on that instead??
 
@GrahamChiu It is no post, it is an exploration, notes to help me remember my thoughts to solve a problem. I know little about R3 ;-)
 
@iArnold and do you use freeBSD?
 
@GrahamChiu The freeBSD community is as nice as the Forth, Haiku and so on community. In this talk is a sneer at the friendly kernel devs on FreeBSD as well youtube.com/watch?v=0IQlpFWTFbM&t=4s
Nope, have experimented with PC-BSD, really nice things possible.
 
8:51 PM
@iArnold well, if they're as nice as the Forth community, one should stay well away!
 
They just don't know what is good for them. But we know, that is always a hard bit to chew.
 
even the inventor of Forth, Charles Moore, stays away from comp.lang.forth !!
 
Even the creator of Rebol stays away from all things Rebol related. Says nothing.
 
The complaint by one prominent member of that community is that the vendors have deliberately crippled the Forth ANSI standard so that users are forced to buy their products
@iArnold Like Charles Moore, Carl is working on a new language
 
@GrahamChiu R4? I have a hard time believing that.
 
8:57 PM
@iArnold believing what? He is working on it though./
 
@GrahamChiu Said Cindy? How long ago? Only once, or repeatedly?
 
@iArnold Bo I think.
Anyway it's irrelevant to this project
 
Bo only mentioned once or twice, from hear say by Cindy. Why would he? Why doesn't he just join one of the alternatives? It is an odd situation.
Why irrelevant, if half the community later comes play "follow the leader leader! follow the leader leader!" again?
 
I don't think Carl is a team player. He is an ideas person who likes to follow through on his own ideas.
 
It is only irrelevant because there is nothing there. It is all here at R3, REN/C.
 
9:03 PM
we may yet see a rebol4 release in another 10 years of gestation
 
There may be interesting new ideas to explore, e.g. how Red has Red/System. Carl might have some other idea in a tangential direction that is interesting but not really resolving the latent issues that advanced Rebol users like Ladislav, Cyphre, Gabriele, Andreas etc. hit.
 
I'll be retired by then, Carl will be for sure.
@HostileFork Right, Rebol is like the lake. Dig a hole, let water flow into it. Nice, you think you are done. But now plants grow in it, fish swim around, currents come in, tides.
 
But our local artificial lake has an overgrowth of cyanobacteria and these lakes need to take that into consideration
 
9:29 PM
FYI, forum.rebol.info now forwards to the new AltRebol forum .. but I can't login when redirected. I guess it's a discourse setting somewhere :(
 
 
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11:02 PM
@ShixinZeng nice .. I don't get the boot error now when I just start as r3 instead of r3.exe
 
@GrahamChiu Wow, that's fast, it just finished compiling. :)
 
I pulled and built locally :)
 
@GrahamChiu Nice. I just noticed that you've created a few branches on github, could you remove ones you're done with?
 
oh yeah. I'm not particularly tidy !
 
:-)
OK, dinner time, talk to you later
 
11:07 PM
all gone. cheers
 
11:19 PM
@wearerebol R=BoL #rebol https://t.co/MdY9JfqNvE
@wearerebol she's a star already #rebol https://t.co/b11ZtvCrTa
 
11:57 PM
@RebolBot tweet "#rebol Check out the latest binaries at metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html - all low caffeine!"
 
@GrahamChiu Sending this as a tweet: #rebol Check out the latest binaries at metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html - all low caffeine!
 

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