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1:35 AM
@GrahamChiu RebolBot needs to avoid sending looong messages to the room! 50 results is an example of long. I think it's neat when the bot does some kind of salient answer, but it shouldn't spam... that's why I said that the links list should come as a URL not a set of responses to the room.
 
@HostileFork But are you sure you said that the links list should come as a URL not a set of responses to the room }?
 
Quick answers are nice, long answers should direct to a page.
 
 
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4:13 AM
@HostileFork All in good time. We need to setup a web server etc
 
@GrahamChiu I definitely like the idea of doing a scrape, having our own log, and aiming to have a Rebol-powered clone of this in the wings. Honestly I do worry if our meddling will ultimately fall us into poor graces with StackOverflow. I see here a lot of chat and weirdness and sadly little Q&A. :-/
At the same time I think the better idea is to stay on StackOverflow's good side for as long as possible...and make more Q&A!
I just like having backup plans.
But if RebolBot is going to get us fame, some good ideas would be to make a modular bot that is eminently helpful for expression evaluation. Maybe not ship all the greetings and log stuff by default, but convince the other language rooms to have a CppBot or RubyBot or JsBot that is less... verbose.
 
I can't see anyone's graces being upset by what is happening here. It's all done for the benefit of the users, and to improve the functionality of this chat to that end.
Next step is to start the altme headless client so that we can extract the announce group, republish it as a RSS feed so that we see them here .. or, if the feed mech is too slow, then post directly into here.
 
@GrahamChiu Well, it's a fine line, you were talking about doing some kind of encrypted chat and such and then said "but Fork says that would get us in trouble..." as if you didn't know it would. :-)
The thing with automation is that it is often misapplied, or it gets buggy; there was a time when RebolBot posted an error every time some new user joined the room. Bots have it hard in the public perception space, even if trying to be helpful.
Right now we sort of keep it in check, but if we make a turnkey "StackOverflow chat bot" someone's going to misapply it... intentionally or unintentionally.
 
With the revelations that the NSA has been spying on the whole world including nomimal allies, the putative problem with using this for encrypted chat may become somewhat less real.
@HostileFork that was a debugging exercise.
Exposing an issue with the http protocol that we thought we had fixed.
And now we realise that we have to do a full rewrite of the protocol
 
As I was once told about one of my bad experiences, when a semi-parallel egregious thing came to light, a math PhD friend of mine said: "The issue with your experiences kind of parallels the exposure of that...I'm not surprised it happens, I'm surprised that when it's shown that it's happening that people are (or act) surprised and it makes the news. I'm less surprised that the general news-reading populace would be that naive, but kind of surprised you were."
I guess I'd quote him here. The news item isn't that it's happening. The news item is that people are surprised, or acting surprised.
Another news item is that some dude in Hong Kong better watch his back for real, now.
 
4:28 AM
Federal laws prevent that behavior occurring in the USA
But if we were to write a chat client that includes SO, the p2p part would not necessarily have to travel thru SO. It's simple enough to do this directly.
 
Federal law, eh? "You can't scare me with this Gestapo crap. I know my rights. I want my phone call." ... "Tell me, Mr. Anderson... what good is a phone call... if you're unable to speak?"
 
BTW, I take it that there are private rooms for people with special privileges .. but .. those guys are going to get upset if the proles leverage the tools here to also get private chat??
I guess I'd just uproot and go elsewhere.
 
I, for one, welcome our StackOverflow administrator overlords.
I actually have to finish something really odd and get up early so I'm going to have to duck out of the discussion of this until... erm... like Tuesday. But I am just trying to say that with all the good work and effort you guys are putting into the RebolBot it would be a shame to have it surface in a way that it was perceived as a nuisance instead of a benefit. So I'm asking to allow me to sort of vet any plans here to encourage deployment to more rooms...
And one of the best steps of vetting that plan is to ASK the admins what is cool and what is uncool. This is "their house" and getting their opinion is important.
I think it's a great avenue for evangelism; as a modular bot can speak anywhere. Twitter? IRC? What cleaner language to express in than the newly-open-sourced Rebol3? StackOverflow is a more curated place than most to launch the Rebolution, though, and I think a good solid vetting with folks like balpha and the other "diamond mods" would be wise before deploying the turnkey RebolBot on the chat rooms.
And I do like the independence aspect of having a scrape and potential clone in the wings for chat.rebol.net - that's exactly what I have in mind.
It's just timing. Have the data, have the readiness, and don't invest the resources to actually do it until there's a really good reason to.
And don't assume the rules SO has are all bad just because AltME users are too chicken to climb the trivial rep ladder to get 20 points. Just look at the spam on Carl's blog -- the guru himself! His "type in the blog entry number" CAPTCHA isn't really working so well.
It's a balance and I will reiterate my position -- which is that StackOverflow is simply the best Q&A system we know of, so it's sad it's not being used more heavily for Rebol Q&A -- and that can be scraped too. It's all CC-WIKI licensed.
I don't think people should be getting 20 rep just to chat here. I think they should have StackOverflow accounts because having a StackOverflow account is important to any programming professional right now who doesn't want to participate in dinosaur mailing lists or the StackOverflow predecessors who had the same idea but made it suck really badly. It's often said that StackOverflow copied the "Expert(sex)change" model and removed all the really bad ideas but kept the good ones and added more.
Good for them, I say.
Death to bad ideas! May they burn in the pit of... um... the place where bad ideas... burn. Wherever bar soap is. Boy, do I hate bar soap. Okay that is actually involved in the weird thing I need to do so radio silence until Tuesday. :-)
 
5:01 AM
SO chat is for programmers so that excludes users who can't easily mount that 20 reputation hill. We need to host our own chat eventually.
 
@GrahamChiu I agree, just saying you shouldn't be signing up for StackOverflow because of chat. That was never my point.
We've sort of turned it into that, and it's caused a lot of confusion. "It's not AltME! I'm unhappy! Take me home..." but yes, this is why I say we must retake rebol.net as the "Rebol Developer Network". We'll figure out our own anti-spam technique.
But when we get around to doing that... it doesn't excuse people from engaging the main Q&A on StackOverflow, because that's the place to be right now.
 
@HostileFork Perhaps off the point, but I was reading some guys blog the other day, and how it was working out for him at MS. Of the 10 points he made, one was that people he worked with would often use SO for answers, but never contributed anything back.
 
Well at my (soon to be not-my) C++ group, I have old school folks who log in and ask a question and do something that's not in the etiquette of the system and had their head bitten off for it... and said "geez, sorry I asked" and left. I'm one of the people who says we need to reign in the jerks...and I'm not alone, note the 978 upvotes on this one:
978
Q: Could we please be a bit nicer to new users?

Chris UpchurchThere is a distinct decline in the level of civility here. Some of this is due to new users coming in and posting spam and other nonsense, but the offtopic and downvote buttons are doing a pretty good job of keeping this under control. Unfortunately, a lot of this is coming from more experien...

 
With that in mind, perhaps we should not be circumventing these rules and helping people over the hurdle.
 
I don't think we're actually circumventing the rules. What they want is to prove that people can go through the Q&A cycle. It's no skin off their nose to have a real person who gets 4 upvotes on a question...their point is that one way or another, 20 points is easy to get for anyone authentic.
 
5:13 AM
I think the view expressed by others here is that it's a rort of the system
 
@GrahamChiu Well rort or not, the thing is, this isn't a chat website. Never started to be one. Chat was made to support and discuss the Q&A especially to keep the comments from going crazy and turning into a chat. If comment threads get too long it starts warning you to "avoid extended discussion" and sends you here.
I'm sorry that people have managed to go so long in their professional careers using Google Groups or other inferior systems. Just as I'm sorry for the people who didn't pick up on Wikipedia and its world-changing potential as early as I did.
 
So, we have users who have been upvoted by us to allow them to engage in chat, and their rep stays at 21, never ever going higher.
 
It will be nice at the conference to solidify my iconographic efforts on Rebol and Red as being official, following up my success in... well... starting the 3-D model of the Wikiball and mapping the back of it. That's three fairly good logo involvements if you ask me.
 
Maybe we should split the chat over two sites .. keep this for the programmers interested in SO and the ethic of the site, and another site for the others
 
@GrahamChiu Well, humble beginnings. That would change if we got them to follow the RSS feeds for the Qs (and A's) ... they learn slowly as the questions are posted into the room that this isn't AltME.
 
5:20 AM
I noticed that once Carl got over the 20 point limit, he just kept answering questions! He didn't stop.
 
@GrahamChiu And also notice that he, uniquely among Rebolers, complimented the site. But it seems he's started to think engaging the broader world is worth doing and gotten to be less of a grumpy old man... I think having a good job and a feeling of success increases one's benevolence in evaluating and respecting the efforts of others.
 
Not unique ...all of us here are here because we believe in it.
 
When I was in college I hated Microsoft. I ran Linux off floppies, from distributions you don't hear anymore like "Slackware" and "SLS". (For that matter, I had run it far earlier when there were no "distributions"). I derided "Trumpet Winsock for Windows" and the very name Microsoft made me laugh at their foolishness.
Then I worked for them, and saw that their work was under specific constraints. Brilliant people solving highly entangled problems. Also, they gave me a lot of money. I seemed to think they weren't so bad and became a bit of an apologist.
I think that the truth always lies a bit in the middle and if you are too much of an extremist to not sort of hear what people are saying, or respect the constraints they are under, you will draw artificial boundaries that limit cooperation and you'll never meet anyone in the middle.
 
I have a few red hat distros on floppies .. but not for me. Installed and then removed.
 
"Red Hat Enterprise Linux Certification" of some sort is actually, a door opener for jobs these days, I hear repeatedly. They are supposedly still quite relevant, or at least a good skill to have. Go figure! But yeah, I haven't installed any Red Hat things for a while, Debian
 
5:27 AM
I had enough of command lines with IBM DOS 1.0
 
And sometimes I use Ubuntu, which is actually an African word. It means: "I don't know how to install and configure Debian."
 
 
4 hours later…
9:28 AM
@RebolBot source ideone-url
 
Nice :-)
 
9:50 AM
should test to see if anyone can look at our credentials
Not sure how we can protect them from reflection though
 
Good point. By the way I finally got the twitter command sending out tweets from the bot. I am just about to add that in now (along with the ideone stuff and issue a pull request)
I noticed that a few more of the files such as the source command had also been updated, so I will include these updated versions in my pull
I had to add my twitter.r3 module in the needs block before the bot-api.r3 - someone with more module kung fu skills (or in this case Adrian) needs to tell me if this is okay or if it should work another way
 
no idea!
 
10:07 AM
So far only working sending tweets as a string. Just need to debug the read-message and it is done.
She seems to block reading the config directly as expected which should protect credentials
 
10:44 AM
@GrahamChiu Pull request sent with working twitter command :-)
Note: I have left the rebolbot tweets as protected so currently they are not public - I have also deleted all the test tweets
When we move the bot to this room I will remove the twitter protection
 
ok, all merged .. going to bed!
 
Timezones. Don't you love 'em
Good night
 
11:01 AM
May 3 at 0:20, by johnk
@Adrian I was thinking about a new command for rebolbot. What do you think of @rebolbot tweet message 9200519 or @rebolbot tweet Hello from the Rebol and Red chat room?
A month and a half since I sent that message and I have really enjoyed every minute of building it.
 
11:23 AM
@johnk Definitely cool to make the RebolBot tweet! But is there any way it could sense access privileges from the "room administrators" list?
 
@HostileFork Why didn't someone mention that earlier? As a quick answer, yes, anything is possible.
 
@johnk I didn't think of it earlier. :-)
 
Business requirements ... always changing on the last minute
 
But in fact, having RebolBot inherit the existing room administrator privileges as opposed to having another list would be cool... although the module should allow a choice on that. In fact, if each piece of functionality in the modules could have permissions on it that range from "anyone" to "room administrators" to "just some people" that would be nice.
Basically some sort of access module that gets access lists from wherever.
 
There is already another list of authorised users in the bot which I could hook into in 5 minutes so maybe that should be a starting point
 
11:28 AM
So in my long list of things to do before my move in a couple of weeks I had on the list "make video explaining the logic of my apartment's wall design". Which is this weird mathematical game that interacts with the architecture and furniture...and it took me a month of trial, error, and pain to create.
Mere photos don't do it justice, but, reveal that it's done with two reflectivities of the same color paint.
 
I like the idea of getting rid of the privileged-users block and replacing it by the site admins list. Added to the todo list
 
I thought I could do it myself, but the video is too grainy; the perception of being well lit is an illusion. I only achieved those photos with a high powered flash, during the day. My camcorder is incapable without lights of capturing anything interesting.
So in... an hour and a half, an architectural videographer I hired is coming to help me make the video. He has quite a bit of gear. I hope the shoot goes well... my film school experience means I have a plan (I just don't have the gear!)
Will be a shame to tear this down, it's a hard space to make work. :-/
But every time I move, I solve the problem from scratch. So now I do it... again.
 
I hated selling my last place
After you put so much time into getting everything right ... then you do it all again
 
I've come to think of it like those monks making sand things that are swept away by the tides. Except they're monks with HD cameras and YouTube.
I try and buy nice things that will resell for at least some reasonable percentage of their original value.
 
Everything is like that, just the time scale varies
 
11:35 AM
We'll see what I get, but basically it sounds like every piece of furniture is already spoken for among people I know.
Keeping the desk, it's too perfect
 
(Can you please tell my Bosch dishwasher that it is a nice appliance so that it will stop breaking down :-|)
 
I will do that...once I finish telling my very nice Microwave that dying once during the first year was unacceptable, and getting warranty service was an absolute pain, and it better not break again, because I'm keeping it
 
I looked at the photos - nice set up. Nice music set up as well. Hopefully I'll have more space in my next place so I can get a keyboard again
We have had Bosch service people out 7 times this year ... it is 4 years old, but still
 
I'm amazed that keyboard continues to hold up...it has served as my armrest while typing for a long while. It's actually kind of nice, because the keys give...it's almost like padding. Of course, as I've mentioned before, if I leave a music program running it generates some very odd music...and if I forget the program is running I eventually go "what the heck am I listening to?"
 
Having seen how keyboards are treated by roadies I think the decent manufacturers realised they needed to be bulletproof - literally
I had an old roland jupiter which I am sure will outlast me by many years
 
11:41 AM
@johnk I used to make muzak back in the day with a coworker, not so much anymore. Ah, General MIDI and sampling cards in the 90s helpful, planetz, stranger, anthem.
Sold my JP-8000 in the last move, for more than half as much as when I bought it. That's a rarity for old tech.
 
They were nice keyboards. Mine was a Jupiter 6 so a good decade earlier. I think it was one of the first to have midi.
 
JP-8000 was one of the first of the "virtual analogs". It was pretty, too...lots of blinky lights.
These days I only play to relieve stress, I don't record it. Although I did remix "Devastatin' Dave (the Turntable Slave)" and I daresay I made him sound good, despite having no access to the source tracks. Original:
 
@johnk: I think the dish washer is breaking down in jealousy, because it knows you're thinking about getting a Miele.
 
On a Rebol music note, I'd like to see a Rebol port of CSound or similar
 
@Henrik White goods can read my mind ... that has to tell me something
 
11:53 AM
 
:-)
 
Yes, :-)
CSound looks very interesting. I never played with software synths much as I stopped doing anything musical many years ago. I will have to have a play
 
@johnk BT (Brian Transeau) uses it and makes some very interesting stuff
 
@HostileFork Reminds me of Fridge and Four tet. Good music.
 
12:10 PM
@johnk Good music to program RebolBots to. :-) One of my latest favorites though is can you see me now, I have that on a loop...
 
@HostileFork Ok, it works. Tweeting is now restricted to Adrian, Graham and myself until we extend the list to include the room admins.
Do I have to parse the owners form the html here chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/291/rebol-and-red?tab=access or is there a better was?
 
@johnk AFAIK that's the way
Greetings @qtxie ... I see you are worrying about issues like WM_PAINT messages. You have my sympathies. :-) But welcome to Rebol and Red! Heard of them?
 
12:29 PM
@HostileFork Yes, I study GIS in college, but I'm very interest in some low level stuff. ;-) By the way, how do you know I used to use raw window api to write program ?
 
@rebolbot
parse read http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/291/rebol-and-red?tab=access [ thru <div class="access-list"> some [ thru "access-user-" copy n to {"} (print to-string n) thru {title="} copy s to {"} (print to-string s)] to end ]
 
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>> parse read chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/291/rebol-and-red?tab=access [thru <div class="access-list"> some [thru "access-user-" copy n to {"} (print to-string n) thru {title="} copy s to {"} (print to-string s)] to end]
2016426
BrianH
1792095
Adrian
292969
rgchris
2026582
DocKimbel
211160
HostileFork
76852
Graham Chiu
135724
earl
1864998
johnk
397874
Ladislav
== true
 
@qtxie Because I am psychic! :-) But also because your user profile on StackOverflow lists all your Q&A: profile for qtxie
 
Sorry for the interruption. Just surprised how easy it was to extract that list from the web page.
 
@RebolBot
print {We'd like to welcome you, @qtxie to the little-known world of {Rebol} and {Red}, which is a lot more fun! "Isn't it nice," I'd ask, "when string delimiters are braces so you don't have to escape unless you have an unmatched pair?" :-)}
 
12:32 PM
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>> print {We'd like to welcome you, @qtxie to the little-known world of {Rebol} and {Red}, which is a lot more fun!  "Isn't it nice," I'd ask, "when string delimiters are braces so you don't have to escape unless you have an unmatched pair?"  :-)}
We'd like to welcome you, @qtxie to the little-known world of {Rebol} and {Red}, which is a lot more fun!  "Isn't it nice," I'd ask, "when string delimiters are braces so you don't have to escape unless you have an unmatched pair?"  :-)
 
@johnk I don't find that surprising :-)
@qtxie Rebol is a language with a long history by people on a mission... it is kind of like LISP, in that it is symbolic, and code is data. You use the same operations to add to a string as you would use to add code to a block, and then you can execute that code...
@RebolBot
code: [print 1 +]
append code 2
do code
 
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>> code: [print 1 +] append code 2 do code
3
 
@qtxie There's all kinds of interesting stuff built in, and one of the big premises is that there is no install process and it stays tiny. Every bit and byte count. Check out our downloads from rebolsource.net ... a single file, and basically around half a megabyte!
 
@HostileFork Cool!
 
@qtxie It is quite literate, because it has different ideas from other languages, especially about the idea that each symbol be separated by a space. So there is a strong distinction between a+b and a + b. It's a lot like how we write english (handbook is different from hand book). But this means there's lots of interesting lexical types...
@RebolBot
copy/part to string! read hostilefork.com 45
 
12:38 PM
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>> copy/part to string! read hostilefork.com 45
== {<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 }
 
@qtxie You don't have to put URLs as strings or anything, because it knows about the pattern. There you see our helpful RebolBot (written in Rebol) taking the first 45 characters from reading the binary data from hostilefork.com but turning it into a string.
@RebolBot
12-Dec-2012 + 1
 
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>> 12-Dec-2012 + 1
== 13-Dec-2012
 
It recognizes many types, such as dates, natively by the syntactic pattern as well.
 
@HostileFork Ok, bit of a temporary hack, but it now lets any room admins (from this room only - hardcoded) use the tweet command
 
Muhaha! So much power! I will rule RebolBot's twitter feed with an iron fist now! :-)
 
12:44 PM
... once I remove the private/protected flag form the twitter account :-)
 
I heard of Rebol about 1 year ago, but I did't use it to write some program, so I am not familiar with it
 
@qtxie For me it made programming fun again. I think EJBs almost stopped me coding for life :-/
 
@qtxie Rebol is open source now, AND there is a compiled version called Red too... things are much different from a year ago
@johnk I have to do this video shoot, the guy with cameras and lights will be here in a moment... so would you mind using the bot to give @qtxie a tour of things like PARSE etc? :-)
 
Ok
 
@johnk Yes, The first time I saw Rebol, I'm shocked
 
12:49 PM
How you express something in code is often key to how people understand it, and rebol gives you a lot of expressive power
Just simple things like the built in datatypes give you plenty to work with e.g.
@rebolbot do 10% * 100
 
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>> 10% * 100
== 10.0
 
@rebolbot do type? 10%
 
@johnk What do you mean?
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>> type? 10%
== percent!
 
parse is a work of art.
@rebolbot do parse [ 1 12-jun-2013 $20 $30 $40 ] [ number! date! some [ money!] ]
 
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>> parse [1 12-Jun-2013 $20 $30 $40] [number! date! some [money!]]
== true
 
12:55 PM
Notice that you often don't have to deal with strings to look through complex data
 
@HostileFork Oh, PARSE, I read the docs in Rebol.com about PARSE not long ago, @johnk I agree with you, it's a work of art
 
Cool :-)
 
But I think I need to do more practice to master it ;-)
 
At the moment we are trying to get rebol r3 (referred to as r3 around here mainly) up to release level
@qtxie There are a few masters around here, but I would not claim to be among them
Rebol 2 still has more functionality in some areas, but since r3 has been open sourced it is quickly picking up momentum
 
@johnk Good news! I will take some time to try r3, I know it support unicode
 
12:59 PM
This room is a very active and friendly place if you want to learn more
If you are on windows I would recommend trying the r3 builds from saphirion as they have https and other useful bug fixes included development.saphirion.com/downloads
 
@johnk OK, I'm not very good at English, So sorry for my slowly reply :-)
 
No problem :-) Sometimes my English is not very good either (although I have no excuse)
It's getting late for me so I will say good night
 
Good night, It's also little late for me
;-)
 
@qtxie Come visit us again - See you -John
 
@johnk See you
 
1:27 PM
@RebolBot do 123.45x444,33
 
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>> 123.45x444.33
== 123.45x444.33
 
im getting
== 123.44999694824219x444.3299865722656
on the saphiron r3-osx, but it must be old then. the r3-gfc51038 is correct
wasn't it the plan to extend the tuple to 16 or 32 bit values?
 
1:44 PM
@joschua011 Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 431 so chat away!
 
 
7 hours later…
8:30 PM
A Make Doc experiment—S5 presentations: reb4.me/s5
 
8:48 PM
@rgchris Ok, very cool!
 
Can be recreated thus:
do reb4.me/r3/makedoc
make-doc/custom/with reb4.me/s/s5/sample.rmd [
	template: %s5.rsp
	markup: %s5.r
][
	title: has [title][
		if parse document [opt ['options skip] 'para set title block! to end][
			remove-each part title [not string? part]
			rejoin title
		]
	]
]
 
Are you going to break tradition and write comments?
And %.rsp means it needs RSP support?
 
@GrahamChiu Not likely today.
@GrahamChiu Yes, RSP templates are an optional extra.
 
@Henrik has your vid list made it into R3-GUI ?
 
@GrahamChiu: No, and it likely won't.
 
8:52 PM
@Henrik So, at present do you know if the table list has support for different row sizes, and embedded styles in the cells?
 
@GrahamChiu: I don't know as I haven't worked with the R3 GUI in a long time.
 
@Henrik Oh? You're not doing any contract with for Saphirion any more?
Ok, I remember now .. you're doing R2 work
 
@GrahamChiu: I'm working full time on multiple R2 projects.
 
@Henrik any luck finding someone to take over your running application?
 
@GrahamChiu Quick guide to the above snippet then: /custom allows the use of different emitters; /with allows the extension of the document model. In the title function, 'document refers to the intermediate block. The RSP Template refers to 'document as if the doc were loaded by 'load-doc (which returns the document model).
Can see it's going to take a while to write docs for this...
 
8:55 PM
@GrahamChiu: No, that won't be possible. I'm seeking off the shelf solutions for a total replacement.
 
@rgchris I would guess examples are better .. so people can deduce what they need to do.
But it does look suspiciously like a very simple way to host a presentation on a website!
 
@GrahamChiu Doesn't it?
 
I must ask @johnk to see if we can get Apache installed and running on the ec2 bot instance
No luck with the conference rss feed?
Is it just that one broken?
 
The Feed's not broken, the Feed bot just isn't reading it.
 
9:11 PM
I wonder we have too many feeds here. How about removing Carl's one ?
Or somehow change the order ...
It sounds like overkill to have 9 feeds here
 
earl has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
earl has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
It's only overkill if we're inundated with posts. But we're not...
 
@johnk @adrian Time for a feature freeze on rebolbot and for us to get a package or video out there on installation.
@rgchris it may be more than the overlords will allow
 
rgchris has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
@GrahamChiu I don't think so.
 
9:14 PM
there seem to be various restrictions here
some urls I tried to get rebolbot to post here just vanish
 
9:26 PM
@GrahamChiu testing lmgtfy
Well that ban is not in effect in chat, apparently, just the Q&A.
 
Left a little sweetener in my S5 experiment for @HostileFork
 
@rgchris Heh, thanks! I do mention the "everything counts" principle...that when passers-by read our Q&A or whatever, we use it as an opportunity to teach and show off... so it's important to for instance demo cool string features, even when not strictly necessary for the question (and comment our parse examples :-P)
 
@HostileFork everything counts in large amounts :o)
 
9:43 PM
@rebolek :-) Here's a nifty remix of "Pain that I'm Used To" if you've never heard it... it should be the theme song for the holdouts who want to stay on AltME!
 
Hostilefork - tiresome and kind of funny to read constant complaints towards Altme, which you not even fully embraced. So here's my reply :-) youtube.com/watch?v=28GaKoCuobU
 
@HostileFork :) OTOH, SO chat is another pain that we must get used to. I want R3chat source and R3chat protocol description. Whoever will be on Recon, please, get the sources to us!
 
ditto for IOS, if possible ...
 
@pekr :-) If Rebol is going to get hip with the kids, we're going to have to reference bands that were incorporated after 1980!!!
 
@HostileFork I didn't know this remix...I had all songs, mixes and remixes up to 95 or so when I stopped watching so closely. But I'm still proud DM fan, if you ask! :]
 
9:50 PM
@HostileFork - haha. 1) Not sure DM was incorporated much later 2) Iron Maiden is an icons, still very popular, actually something like 4th commercially succesfull band :-)
You've just got to fear the dark, not realising, kind tends to like rock music :-)
 
@pekr I was speaking for both of us! But @rebolek I am not as proud a DM fan as I once was, they drifted from being musically relevant for me... but A-Ha went strong right up to the end, and actually got better and better IMO. Butterfly, Butterfly
 
@HostileFork Can't we move a bit forward to something more relevant today?
 
@HostileFork - so are you suggesting rebollers should now reference to Justin Bieber? Then I will go to hell and learn regular expressions in Perl :-)
 
@rebolek does the r3gui table support any row size, or do they have to be the same? And can cells hold other faces?
 
@pekr Well we should at least know the cool ways to make fun of him. It's like doing improv...you don't have to actually watch Jersey Shore, you just have to skim the Wikipedia page so if it comes up you know the basics...
 
9:56 PM
Pity Cyphre did not port the grid I paid for during the contract :-( It allowed to have anything in cells, as well as used virtual data blocks, so that you did not need to reorder the data returned from query, yet you were able to swap columns/rows ...
 
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@GrahamChiu text-table is meant for text only, there (is) will be table (grid) style for this.
 
@rebolek What do you mean?
 
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9:57 PM
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@rebolek good to hear. Soonish? Or just on the list to do?
 
@pekr there's style like this, but it's not updated for latest changes
 
@pekr what grid is this?
 
@GrahamChiu It's in source, but not working. It can be fixed though.
 
I'm getting the feeling that creating custom styles is .. not for the casual user :(
 
10:00 PM
@GrahamChiu - it was a RebGUI version done by Cyphre for my company. But - it was never utilised, as Ashley did change API between the versions and it was never adapted for later releases ...
 
@pekr So, it was adapted for r3-gui but no longer works? I'm confused
 
@GrahamChiu You're talking about composed styles, not simple styles that use one face. They are simple. Complex styles are also simple but not very well documented (and with some interesting properties, that only Ladislav and Cyphre think makes sense).
 
@GrahamChiu - no, this version is probably forgotten. Cyphre imo did several grids in the past. What I said is only that it is a pity, any such grid is not available, it was kind of capable. Not as much as Henrik's grid, by my intention was to allow to cache data and allow to scroll infinite amount of data ...
 
@GrahamChiu r3gui changed its internals few times. It's still alpha version.
@pekr That kind of caching is part of text-table, it can be used for grid also.
 
10:16 PM
@HostileFork Something like this scripted in r3gfx can attract kids I guess
 
@rebolek While that kind of resonates with me at the moment (on the rare occasion I like some Insane Clown Posse)... I'm not entirely sure we want to be attracting that particular brand of madness. But if we do we'll have to change the logo.
 
@rebolek Are there any docs on text-table such as adding/removing rows? Setting the data etc?
 
@GrahamChiu Oh, I haven't add docs directory... I'll send you new version with docs.
 
Great
 
@GrahamChiu Please, check mail.
text-table docs are rather old. I guess now that's someone's using it, I have to fix it ;P
@HostileFork That's very...80's. Like Bronski Beat.
 
10:31 PM
got it .. but don't see any specific docs for text-table ??
 
@rebolek Perhaps obviously, not my work. :-)
 
@GrahamChiu docs/spec/styles/text-table
 
@rebolek ahh,, ok
You got my bug reports?
Hmm. Perhaps fixed now? I used to click on cell, and then press e or E, and it would crash on an integer value. Not now.
 
@GrahamChiu Lot of these problems are caused by changes in R3.exe. You always need to use latest saphirion's r3.exe to test latest version of r3gui or you will run into numerous problems.
 
@rebolek Ok
I see SET-FACE/FIELD text-table table-data 'data
so is that the only way to add a row to the text-table? and use a whole new set of data?
 
10:48 PM
@GrahamChiu Yes, but you have to understand that it's just reference and only visible lines are taken from data block. You do not add something to text-table, you just point to block that text-table should show.
 
Ok, going to try and see how it works :)
 
There's also DB mode that can (async) read data from SQlite or Redis (but that's probably not part of the distribution as it's very very alpha. anyway, the text-table view is 100% virtual and can take data from various sources, not only rebol's block!).
 
Off topic: but I borrowed a painting from a guy who teaches watercolor to do a final HD video walkthrough shoot before teardown of my apartment. He'd seen my setup and thought it he had just the thing... and I have to say, it was indeed darn near perfect. I'd have bought it if I weren't moving out in less than two weeks! :-/
Need to get any other pictures I want before tomorrow, first pieces of furniture are going :-(
Back on topic but related, I was thinking the conference could use some kind of printed graphic or something to put on the podium. I'd been thinking it might be nice to have a Rebol flag. I've got a lot of other things to do though. :-/ But maybe I could fit it in somehow. Would probably have to do it locally as I don't have a lot of time to have things shipped / corrected.
 
11:14 PM
Haha, our government has fallen again. The reasons are beyond ridiculous, it's like PRISM on Viagra... south-american tv novels have something to learn from us...
 
@rebolek The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very chat room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
 
@johnk got time today to move the bot?
 
@HostileFork This is really something... Prime minister's (female) chief of cabinet was spying on prime minister's wife using military intelligence (that's of course unconstitutional) so she can find "something" on her and make prime minister divorce...This is really banana republic. Unfortunately we have no bananas.
 
I'm at work and in meetings for most of the day. Tonight after 8pm aest would be good if it's not too late for you?
 
The US is a banana republic: Quantitative Easing Explained But (a) I'm trapped here because I don't have citizenship anywhere else, and (b) even if I could leave, is there any decent place to live on Earth anymore? :-/
 
11:28 PM
I made a couple of updates to the send tweet command while chatting to hostile fork last night which I should clean up and submit a pull.
 
@rebolbot who is johnk?
 
The most useful of which is using the room admins instead of our manually maintained privileged-users block
 
@GrahamChiu I know this about johnk and their local time is 17-Jun-2013/9:31:08
 
@johnk so about 10 pm ..
I might be okay .. depends on how the day goes!
 
@HostileFork I guess with your citizenship you're free to go almost everywhere. But you're right that there's probably nowhere to go...
 
11:33 PM
@johnk I think I had a list of priviliged list so that they didn't have to be admins
@HostileFork Fiji is okay if you're a local :)
 
I'll ping you if I can get started earlier
OK. Currently in the send tweet cmd does a hacky read to allow all room Adkins to tweet. I'll tidy it up a bit and leave it just in this cmd for now
 
@GrahamChiu A privilege system which allows, as one of the options, "room admins" seems best. But the bot should be able to track other forms of authorization. Essentially modularize that, and have some kind of privileges dialect. [room-admins /users/76852] or [everyone] or [everyone not /users/76852] etc.
 
Adkins=admins what is an adkin and why is it in my phone auto complete?
 
Or an allow list and a disallow list separate, dunno how conflicts would work out on that.
 
Should be Atkins not Adkins :)
@johnk all I have to do is copy the latest set of messages across, and also send you my bot credentials. So, not a lot
Wanna setup apache as well?
 
11:39 PM
Or Cheyenne?
 
@HostileFork thinks the bot is spamming .. but .. the RSS feeds are not!
@johnk only if you can figure out how to start Cheyenne automatically at startup
 
Be back later -J
 
@rgchris has an interesting new presentation dialect for web pages and I think he uses Apache2 .. so if we can set up QM on this ec2 instance ...
 
11:56 PM
@GrahamChiu The RSS feeds are cropped. Incidentally, how is it that RebolBot pastes so much text? Is it because their limit on post size is coming only from the UI, and not checked at the protocol level? That's silly.
 
There is a limit on how much you can post in a message .. just not sure what it is. From SO point of view, rebolbot is just a regular joe.
The limit is 500 characters though if you include any links
@HostileFork presumably the protocol dictates which user types have what limits
 
@GrahamChiu Don't tell shadwolf.
 

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