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12:01 AM
Yes, 3 tiny snippets of code and css, and it didn't need to be in a fiddle. If, after having asked my question, it would be evident a fiddle is needed, fine, I would have gladly worked with you guys on that level...but knee-jerk reactions like that comment was, for all intents and purposes me being told to shut up.
 
when you have a history of posting low quality questions of course our patience is going to be low. Anyways put that behind us, from now on if you are posting a minimal example just put it into jsfiddle. Posting code into chat just takes up a lot of room and we would have to put it into jsfiddle ourselves anyways.
 
josh, a history is not established with three questions. I have been here many times over the past 4 years or more. Just not over the past 18 months or so. @Wes may or may not remember me. @rlemon most probably does. And I have been here and helped others as well as asked for help and received good help. I have never had any contact with Zach. Maybe he was here. Maybe not. But I don't remember him. All I know is he is the only one who outright flames me every time I ask a question.
Another whom I remember always was helpful was Benjamin Gruenbaum
 
as I said, put it behind you
 
well, I sort of feel like I deserve an apology from him. And in return, if he is sincere, I will reciprocate.
 
12:18 AM
Not going to happen and I personally don't feel like you deserve one. You are the one that made all the drama out of nothing, all he said was that you weren't following the rules (which was correct, you didn't have a minimal example) and to which you have a recent history of not obeying. It is completely understandable for him to remind you that their are rules.
 
12:32 AM
As Wes said...not every question needs a fiddle. Some, maybe most do...but not all of them. And so, yes, I had a minimal example, in the form of a few lines of code, some of which I had posted, and a few more lines I was still looking for...
And so, I think that knee-jerkingly calling me out was uncalled for...and was meant as a personal attack on me. That's how I felt. I felt singled out and attacked personally
Now please don't tell me that I have no right to feel. That is how it felt to me. It felt personal.
 
You are entitled to feel however you wish, but that's not what occurred. Anyone that doesn't obey the rules gets told to obeys the rules, it is as simple as that. Your "minimal example" would not have worked, because you need Bootstrap, jQuery to reproduce it right?
 
No. In order to reproduce it in a working example, I would need jQuery, BS, gantry5 uikit and moo tools. But I am certain that my question is something that wouldn't need to be reproduced in a workable fashion, that a simple glance at the few bits of relevant code would be enough for someone who isn't burning he candle at both ends for 15 hours straight
and who hasn't had time to eat since last night, over 26 hours ago
 
And there you are wrong, the rules are there for a reason. If you don't like the rules you are welcome to move on.
 
So, you are disagreeing with Wes. For you, a fiddle is always needed...no matter what
 
a minimal example doesn't have to be a fiddle but it is recommended. A rule is a rule, if Wes wants to be kind and ignore the rules that's his problem. I have given you reasons why we have that rule
 
12:42 AM
Because if it can't be addressed with just a simple glance at those few bits of code, then a fiddle won't be enough, as it has too many moving parts then to be solvable, and so it needs to be seen in full context, on the site.
 
^ rubbish. That's simply not true
 
And if I had not been interrupted while asking my question, you would have seen that what I was asking was a minimal example...but not placed within a framework of something like JSFiddle or codeine or a myriad of other similar sites
 
was it reproducible?
 
on the live site, yes...every time. In codepen...no. Because frankly, I did try that...and it wasn't, with just BS and jQuery. And in codepen, it made no difference. JSFiddle is no different.
 
then it wasn't a minimal example
 
12:47 AM
At this point, you are just looking to justify your stance, regardless what I say, you will find a way to say it's your way or no way.
 
that is correct, it is our way or no way.
 
 
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3:08 AM
Such entitlement issues
 
lol. I think @Wes owes me an apology for telling him he doesn't need a jsfiddle :P
 
Wes
i think it's not always needed, depends on the question
 
Ya. I agree every person that asking doesn't need it if they state their question succinctly and aren't looking for debugging help, but it was definitely the wrong time to say it. He was trying to be too generous
 
Wes
me?
 
Ya
just made Ali keep griping
 
3:15 AM
you're right, its not always needed. But he didn't understand that posting one snippet of js is not enough to debug a problem which is why I was trying to get him to create the jsfiddle
 
@joshhunt precisely
 
its not your fault Wes, I was just joking about the apology :D it was just unfortunate timing
 
Wes
but he didn't finish asking his question
 
he asked above (before you came)
 
he wasn't interested in finishing it, obviously
if he was, he would have posted it after my first couple comments still
he just had some frustration to let out
I don't mind it being at me
 
Wes
3:23 AM
i don't think so tbh, now you are pushing it
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Wes
the guy has been around for ages and he always behaved well as far as i can remember
and i wanted to ask me the question in another room, since he invited me to it
all i wanted is to end the drama @joshhunt but that probably made things worse :B
 
I think the problem was that he didn't want to end the drama :/ multiple times I tried to help him but he wasn't interested lol
 
anyways its over, if he comes back and makes an effort to provide a good question I won't have a problem
 
3:27 AM
no one will
 
Wes
cheer up with this story
in PHP, 2 hours ago, by Wes
while sleeping my ex always used to do stuff like kicking me in the nuts, in my teeth and sorta things but once she was so fidgeting while sleeping she kicked a reading lamp we had near the bed on the ground. i was sleeping too but the sound of broken glass and everything made me jump yelling like crazy.
in PHP, 2 hours ago, by Wes
then in the complete dark i walked on the broken glass and yelled more, with a rate of ten profanities for each actual word. i finally reached the light switch, turned on the light and realized that despite the sound of the glass smashed on the ground, me yelling in panic, my feet and the floor completely covered in blood with even more screaming in consequence, the biatch was still sleeping like a baby
in PHP, 2 hours ago, by Wes
i thought i owe her some real panic so i went back to bed leaving everything as is. the next morning when she finally woke up she passed out at the "crime scene" sight. she thought someone killed me while sleeping
 
lol what
 
actually passed out?
 
Wes
yep :D
 
no where near as bad but I was once sleeping in the same room as this guy (didn't know him before that day) and he woke in the middle of the night and punched a hole in the wall because he though the room was getting smaller and smaller
 
Wes
3:34 AM
lol
 
I wasn't sure whether to laugh or be super scared. I think I was about 14 at the time
 
Wes
been into rollercoaster tycoon for 3 hours now
bye bye life
 
4:16 AM
I was interested in asking a question, but @ZachSaucierwas completely unwilling to let me ask my question. @joshhunt of course a couple of lines of JS isn't enough. I was looking for the css that was conflicting with it and causing my problems. But again @ZachSaucier didn't care. And I would have been in and out of here in 5 minutes if I had been allowed to ask my question.
As it so happens, I went elsewhere after all this, asked my question without being basically told to go shove it, and within 5 minutes, had my answer, thanked my friend, and was gone.
And I will from now on, if I ever venture here again, first look to see if offensively knee-jerking power mad hotheads with the initials ZS seem to be around or not before attempting to ask a question.
ZS, you messed with the wrong guy because I won't ever forget how you targeted me personally. And others will know as well.
@ZachSaucier and by no one you mean anyone but you, because you won't even allow me to ask my question and interrupt me with your "Yet again you fail..." messages.
 
@AliSamii You were not targeted personally and you choose to take offense, there was no offense intended. Threatening people will not be tolerated, good bye.
 
4:34 AM
I didn't take offense just for the fun of it. I was targeted by @ZachSaucier and provoked intentionally because he has a chip on his shoulder. I am not wont to pick a fight, but I won't hesitate to stand up for myself when mistreated. And @ZachSaucier is certainly a most unpleasant and unhelpful person.
 
 
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6:49 AM
guys i have a question i posted i here pastebin.com/JTQNEyJA if it's easy to solve please let me know
it's about horizontal scrolling an entire page
 
@ZachSaucier: Care to share in the glory of basically being called the "god" of this room? :P I'm jelly.
That said, I'll take a mental note of this person's activity on here... Not cool.
 
 
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8:20 AM
posted on August 22, 2016

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
 
2 hours later…
10:24 AM
@Cerbrus that was not meant as a complement. An elitist attitude of better-than-thou-ism.
 
@AliSamii The chat message you replied to was a joke.
 
10:47 AM
@AliSamii What, because he told you to reproduce the problem without dumping the entire code into JSFiddle?
 
11:20 AM
@MadaraUchiha not even that lol, he was dumping the code into chat
 
@MadaraUchiha It was a simple enough issue that didn't need to be placed in a JSFiddle. So I just wanted to paste the, oh 20 short lines of code here, and he went all huffy puffy on me that I am not following the rules. Not every question needs a JSFiddle.
 
@AliSamii If a room decides they don't want code in their room (and prefer using pasters), you should respect that, you are the guest here, not the other way around.
 
Wes and dare I say even Zach (when he thought I was sleeping or not around) admitted as much. He just has it in for me.
 
@AliSamii If you antagonize people, they tend to have it in for you, yes.
There's history here I'm not aware of.
So I'm not going to comment about it.
 
@MadaraUchiha The history here is as Wes stated: "the guy has been around for ages and he always behaved well as far as i can remember"
 
11:23 AM
But if you are asked to not dump code into the room and use a pasting service, please do so.
If you are asked to reproduce the problem in JSFiddle, because the code you have is too much to read/debug as it is, please do so.
No one here is under any obligation to help you or even speak to you.
This is a chat room, not Stack Overflow's main site.
 
This is just Zach flexing his muscles because he can, not because it is warranted
 
@AliSamii That's your opinion.
I've known Zach for a lot longer than I've known you. I don't see him "flex his muscles" much.
 
That's because I rarely come here. I figure out my issues myself. If I do come here, I come with a very specific, narrow focused question that can be easily answered but because I've delved so deeply into it, it's the proverbial can't see the forest because of the trees. So I come here, for 5 minutes, ask my question, and if someone can help great, if no one can or wants to, so be it.
But Zach just lashes out at me, and basically tells me to shut up without saying it in so many words. I don't know Zack from Jack, but the three encounters I have had with him has been always very unpleasant
 
Wes
@AliSamii you can't justify your behavior anymore. it is ok to be upset, i'm always upset, and i even understood and agreed with you about that, but it's not ok to be upset for this long and making it this huge. asked you already, can we please move on? i'm telling you, you weren't attacked personally, this is not zach's room and specifically nobody's room, you are free to ignore any advice except moderators'
i'm personally fine with questions that don't come with a fiddle as long they are well written. and, personally think @ZachSaucier could have saved that "you are doing it wrong again" message but i also think it's not enough to justify such hatred against him
 
11:39 AM
 
@Wes Later in the morning, Zach even admitted that questions can be posed without a JSFiddle, but he went out of his way to instantly call me out on my posing a question. He made a decision specifically to single me out.
Zach Saucier
"Ya. I agree every person that asking doesn't need it if they state their question succinctly and aren't looking for debugging help, but it was definitely the wrong time to say it. He was trying to be too generous"

By "it was definitely the wrong time to say it. He was trying to be too generous" he was referring to you @Wes
 
Wes
i decide if it's the wrong time or not, for the record. i was hoping that backing you would've ended this
and i wasn't trying to be generous. i just was honest, but i'd have expected some maturity in return, not days of arguing
it's ok, history is in the past, now back to normal service
 
12:11 PM
@Wes you are a good person, and level headed. I am exhausted from having been up for more than 24 hours and even back when this erupted, I stated that I am exhausted and can'tt think clearly, so was reaching out for just some fresh eyes. I appreciate your efforts, and that's why I wanted to take it off-room so I would have time to cool down. I understand your not wanting to go off-room, and respected your request as you saw I didn't insist.
Zach...I won't mince my words about how I feel about him. I've stated it already, and I just refer you to my previous statements about what my opinion of him is.
I'll say this though. It's interesting how I starred something you said and that was removed. I am assuming by Zach or Josh, who didn't like you agreeing with me, even if it was just meant to cool off the situation
 
@Wes "you are free to ignore any advice except moderators'". Not quite. If a RO asks you (not) to do something, you do(n't).
@Wes Imo, it was poor timing.
@AliSamii Being exhausted is absolutely not an excuse.
@AliSamii I'm going to ask you to stop accusing Zach / Josh of being biased like that. We get it, you don't get along with them. Don't mention it any more, or you're gone for stirring up drama.
 
12:31 PM
@AliSamii wasn't me
there's still something that Wes said that is starred
 
I restarred it a few minutes ago to see how long it would last there
 
:thumbs up:
 
Wes
@Cerbrus i disagree. this room is actually linked to the html and css tags in SO main, which is governed with elections. i wasn't elected to be a room owner here, so the only actual authority here are SO moderators. if the room was a "private club" then id agree with you, but it's not
 
Room Owners make and enforce the rules for SO rooms.
That's why we are ROs
 
@Cerbrus I don't think Josh is biased. I think he was backing zach as "the devil you know" since I don't really know either of them...neither of them were here often when I used to be here more frequently. I do, however, think that Zach is just plain biased and reacts off the cuff when I want to ask a question. The two previous times he told me that my question was too broad/off-topic, I asked for clarification, and after he gave it, I didn't say more.
 
12:36 PM
lol
I'm god and the devil now
 
Kicked.
I'm done with the "he's so biased" accusations. They're nonsense. Zach asked him to follow the room rules, and his reaction to that was way out of proportion.
 
So that's what that was about
@Wes 3 hours? pleb
 
@BoltClock: Start reading here.
(If you're masochistic ;-) )
 
it's not worth reading it all
he spent like 6 hours complaining
 
(it's ok I only have about 300 hours when I really should have more like 3000 hours on the original game)
 
12:44 PM
@ZachSaucier While complaining about being exhausted.
Like wtf...
 
Wes
@Cerbrus would you vote me to govern this room? be honest :D i'm a very crazy person. i myself wouldn't have myself govern this room :B i just happened to be here at the right time
 
@Wes: From what I've seen with this incident, no. I wouldn't.
To clarify: this isn't personal, but I didn't think some of your replies in this case were very tactical. The fact you were agreeing with Ali didn't help defuse the situation.
 
Wes
could you predict that i was going to fail? i don't think so, and me neither
 
I think I immediately would've responded that that message wasn't quite right.
The user was repeatedly stating a room owner was biased, singling him out. The last thing you want to do then is back him up. Even if it's on a barely-related point.
 
Wes
1:03 PM
the last thing i want to do in order to achieve... what?
apparent calm? you think that's fair? just walking around the clash?
 
You were giving him more reason to think the room owner was biased.
 
Wes
let's finish this now. i don't want to cross that line
 
1:18 PM
Sword or pistol? :P
 
Wes
1:29 PM
wut?
 
ten paces, turn and fire
 
Wes
lol
 
2:07 PM
@Wes life is fair?
 
back after a week of vacation, didn't miss any of you :P
 
good
 
Wes
@clickhere welcome back, asshole :D
@ZachSaucier no, but we must try our best :B
 
I didn't notice you being gone :P
 
I did. Had nowhere to click.
 
2:10 PM
 
@clickhere Who are you again?
 
<<< @MadaraUchiha
@Wes, I don't mind my rent, happy to take a decrease nonetheless
 
 
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3:43 PM
o/
That's quite some tension up there. o:
wuts the normal time range for developing a not-so-simple-but-it-has-basic-features wp theme? I'm really busting my head doing it in 2 weeks... Was thinking if that is normal or not. :/
 
4:18 PM
@Osmond depends fully on the features and whether you're pulling from other things or making it from scratch
2 weeks seems like ample time for most themes if you're working on it full time to me
 
agreed
2 weeks for a theme seems like a normal-to-comfortable window given that you work on it most or all of the time during those 2 weeks and it's not your first time trying to design a theme for something
even if it is your first time, shouldn't take too much more time than that
@Wes fucking love that game
 
Wes
the original one
 
nice, i reinstall the original every 2-3 years and play it non-stop for a week
 
4:37 PM
@MadaraUchiha because he ain't got none. ooooo roasted cc @ZachSaucier
@Wes yeah
I think I only played a few hours of RCT 2
I played hundreds of hours on the original and its expansions
 
@TylerH :P
 
You know the trick to getting great value awards for your park? Set your park entry fee to $0 but charge like $30 for people to use the restroom. You get way more money than you would otherwise but people say your park is great value because the entry fee is 0
mwahaha
 
@TylerH, really? You don't get non-stop notifications about people complaining about the price of Bathroom 1, Bathroom 7, Bathroom 4 etc..?
 
@clickhere you can easily ignore those and they will have to use them anyway
 
I remember for some missions getting the total number of required patrons and then blocking the exit with a wall so they couldn't leave before the timer expired
 
4:41 PM
but it blows up your feed and hides the stuff you want to see :(
 
I also drowned the people who complained most
I was a harsh ruler.
 
@ZachSaucier I did the same, had to be careful that your park rating didn't drop below objective requirements, which wasn't often hard
by far my most lucrative approach was tons of the default steel coaster that's a propulsion start. The ride is super short and you can charge good money for it. Haven't found a quicker way to rack up money
 
@clickhere I think you can literally hide that feed
I don't recall ever getting bombarded with notifications
@ZachSaucier I loved that people picker
the pincers of doom
 
The worst is when you accidentally delete a section of path and people are getting lost..
 
Or when you think you've fixed that critical bug in the ride you designed but then it still shoots them into space
 
4:44 PM
lol
I always did it purposely
 
I almost never built custom rollercoasters. They were never exciting enough without making everyone vomit everywhere
 
One thing I did like in RCT2 was when you were competing against a neighboring park, you could design a ride to shoot people into their park, which would drop their park rating
because the deaths occurred in their park and not yours
 
I exploited that quite a bit
 
wow, that's funny, never really spent much time in RC2 or 3
 
5:01 PM
Is open rct2 playable yet?
 
Wes
5:17 PM
Bad gateway Error 502
2daaf76bd5b70e2e - 2016-08-22 17:17:23 UTC

Served by www4-patricia
"served" by
i bet it's nginx
 
Wes
@TylerH it's getting worse. i just switched to simcity 3000
 
 
1 hour later…
6:48 PM
have somewhat of an open-ended theory question. I have a project that takes data from a form and returns a response of an excel document. I've prevented users from clicking the submit button more than once as the document can take a short time to generate. This then requires the user to reload the page.
Not sure how to best design the flow of it to be more intuitive. Here's the project obscurefjord.com/projects/cost-of-living-comparison
I'd rather not redirect to a download page as that would afaik require passing url parameters and introduce a new set of problems
 
show a loader?
 
well, that solves part of the problem. After the file downloads, the user cannot submit the form again without a full page reload
 
you can change that in JS using a callback...
 
googling..
 
(I don't understand the data btw. Might want to add more descriptors/what the heck it means)
 
6:52 PM
Do you mean the data in the excel file or something on the web page?
 
Mainly the excel sheet, but the website isn't helpful in determining what the data in the sheet means either
no link to the houses is a big downer too
 
a link to those zip codes on zillow? that's a fun idea! I'll have to try to implement that when I get home!
 
Well, my understanding was that the data is pulled from houses in the area (I could be wrong here). In which case, I would think I'd want to check out the houses with the cost I am looking for
 
and your right about the lack of info, thanks for pointing that out, my "outside eyes" kinda glaze over sometimes when I'm working on projects
i really really don't know enough JS...
 
well, there's got to be something where the backend tells the frontend to DL the file. Use that function to change the state so the button can be clicked
 
7:16 PM
i think i'm going to take some time over the next month to lean more js
 
Wes
7:36 PM
now i remember the hate for simcity
i suck at it god almighty
y u no happy, y u no pay me
 
8:32 PM
anyone here read fiction? I used to, quite a bit, but haven't had time. Found time at the beach this past week and didn't realize till I was hooked that it was a trilogy.. now i have to find time to read the other 2 books...
 
9:03 PM
@clickhere I used to read a lot, not so much anymore though
 
any way we can hide password field value?
in html
 
@MalikArsalan you mean just show "*" for each char?
 
like "display: none"? For what purpose?
 
It does on input but if you inspect in html you can see its value.
 
as in you are sending it from your server?
 
9:05 PM
Yeah when the form loads.
 
why are you sending the password?
 
its not password. Its actually some PIN, and part of form loads with user profile and PIN is confidential
it shows up in HTML
 
sorry I still don't understand why you need to send it in the first place. But anyways either you send it or you don't, there's no way to hide it. If someone has access to the page they will always have access to whatever you send
 
Anyone here familiar with MVC in the .NET framework?
 
for example when a user types in their password it isn't actually secured, it can very easily be retrieved from the password input.
@betarunex I'm not sure but maybe @TylerH?
 
 
2 hours later…
11:37 PM
@clickhere Ender's Game series <3
 
Hey guys, is there any way to detect if a child element has "wrapped" in flexbox via the parent, and if so, change the flex-direction of children elements of that wrapped child? example incoming
So if I want to change .list flex-direction if .list has "wrapped"? Is that a thing I can do?
 
Sorry, I'm not understanding your end goal. Can you give more detail about what's wrong with your example? Or provide an image of how it's supposed to look?
 
Yea.... one second lemme see if I can visualize better
stackoverflow.com/questions/30162103/… That turned out to be what I was looking for, but cheers
 
11:56 PM
cheers
@komali_2 What's your impression of your coding bootcamp? Necessary? Worth the money?
 

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