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3:00 PM
it's actually the best OS for web-frontend oriented devs
 
that's why I said I liked the terminal
 
man all i do all day is use the damn cli
 
because you get all the power of design tools combined with unix logic
 
@easwee that's a good point, I guess it just comes down to personal preferences then
I personally don't like developing in OSX
 
@Kitler Adobe Creative Suite is Creative Cloud now anyway, it's web-based
 
3:01 PM
you still download the client
that guess what
 
yeah but that works on both
 
doesn't run on ubuntu and co
 
@RandomCouch I really see no difference from ubuntu
 
maybe above you meant to say "doesn't run on linux"
 
@Kitler you can make it work using wine
 
3:02 PM
and watch your laptop levitate :D
 
but I don't think the latest version works
 
@easwee I only use CLI in ubuntu though so I wouldn't really know how to compare
 
I managed to make it work with PS3 portable
 
My development workflow is, connect to ubuntu shell, send design files, code functionalities, run app
 
OSX is a wonderful system - what sux is apple owning it :P
 
3:03 PM
Apple the money vacuum
 
anyway this is pointless
 
@Kitler nou
 
True, in the end to each their own, like you said
 
best system is the one that does the job for you at the given moment
 
No matter what you like developing on, just keep developing!
 
3:04 PM
that's the spirit
 
Are you lot still having an X vs. X vs. X conversation
 
unless you suck at that :P
Then please don't pump out crap code
 
it spilled into the JS room
 
lol if you suck at developing keep developing! You can only get better
 
everyone is like "USE APPLE OR YOU FUCKING SUCK!"
 
3:05 PM
just yeah don't make your shit public
 
@Kitler you are not doing the job then :P
 
@rlemon stahp
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
lmao
 
@easwee yes they should sell it to Sun Microsystems :-P
 
3:06 PM
lol
Or Oracle
eh
 
nahh Joyent, they did such a good job with node
 
@TylerH sell it to microsoft :D
 
@easwee troll
 
:P
 
I'm getting calls at my job, governemnt people complaining that our sites are not working for them on IE10 lol
I tell them they need to upgrade
and they talk to me like I offended them
by telling them to upgrade
"You understand this is the GoC offices right?"
- "You understand this is 2015 right?"
 
3:12 PM
Sounds like you are being the unreasonable one
they don't have the ability to upgrade
 
@TylerH there's just nothing I can do for them, our host has TLS 1.0 disabled, so our sites just don't work on IE10 in HTTPS
 
you have the responsibility to make their site work
 
I litteraly can't
I tried it all
We must remain PCI compliant
 
then you need to forward all your calls to your supervisor
 
to be secure
 
3:13 PM
so that something changes on at least one side
 
Oh I did, he knows about this issue and knows there's nothing we can do except tell them to upgrade
 
@RandomCouch if it's in the contract that is a very poor excuse - I would be pissed
 
What I'll do is just display a message onteh site if it detects IE10
@easwee there's no contract, we're not working for them, we make websites for conference events, and usually they want to register and go to these events
 
gov pcs are locked up - users can't install anything on them
they can't upgrade
 
but because we use SSL, and TLS 1.0 is enabled by default on IE10
 
3:14 PM
nahh, if they are on IE10, sniff the UA string and rickroll them
 
lol
 
be professional about it
 
@RandomCouch In the message, explain that security regulation requires you to be PCI compliant and that IE10 by default doesn't cut it. Don't just put a generic "Your browser is too old" thing
 
Yes exactly @Sippy that's what I'm planning to do
 
Cos that will just irritate people.
 
3:14 PM
of course I'm going to be professional about it
 
Good'o
 
I'm always nice I never try to piss them off lol
 
my point was that some people think simple is better
 
But I get to just let some of my frustration go here
 
You need to be specific, or people won't get the importance of it.
 
3:15 PM
No, you must go further and personally visit their workstation to upgrade their browser to IE11 for them
 
because I really hate it that they're using IE10
 
IE10 isn't even that bad lol
 
@RandomCouch well then you can pretty much ignore them - but you are loosing a share of users - IE10 has a fair share
 
well it's got TLS1.0 by default and that protocol is no longer safe
 
yeah I'd love to be able to cut off support at IE10+
 
3:15 PM
@RandomCouch If I were you, I'd link to something that explains how to force TLS1.1 or 1.2 in IE10, as well.
 
we support IE9+ since last october
before we supported IE8 too
 
@Sippy Yes but they have no administrative privileges to change security settings on IE10
 
Doesn't matter
there are IT people at the offices who do, whether they know how to upgrade to TLS1.1 or not
So you'd be helping them.
 
@easwee do you use SSL?
True @Sippy
 
The easier you make it for them, the less calls you're gonna get :)
All it takes for you is 5 mins of googling and a link.
 
3:17 PM
@RandomCouch depends from the app - we don't make websites, but betting solutions
most stuff is to be integrated on the client bookmaker website
 
we support IE11+
 
@easwee ah okay, well if you want to use SSL, and remain PCI compliant, IE10 and lower users will not be able to access your site
at least if they don't have administrative privileges
 
Hopefully in 5 years time, Microsoft's flagship browser will auto update
And then there will be no more headache
 
IE11 has TLS 1.0 and 1.1 I think by default so there's no prob
 
Everyone can just develop for modern browsers
The web will be a green and beautiful place.
 
3:18 PM
@Sippy that would be AMAZING
I dream of that day
 
@RandomCouch never run in such problems - we take security seriously and the people who work on it do the job
I can't tell much about it since I'm no expert in that area
 
I m off for the day, laters guys
 
@easwee Ask them about the usage of TLS 1.0
 
@easwee With the site I am working on now I only have to do IE9+ as well, hopefully it will be that way from here on out
 
@Kitler seeya :)
 
3:19 PM
@Sippy Internet Explorer has auto-updated since like 2013
 
they'll tell you it's no longer safe, but IE10 has it enabled by default, and it's the only TLS protocol it has enabled, it does support 1.1 and 1.2 but users need administrative privileges to enable them
 
and Microsoft Edge is evergreen from the get-go
 
@TylerH we have to support IE7 on a few apps since those run on betting machines in some remote bet store in nigeria
 
Anonymous
Anyone know what an alternative for position:absolute is? Most email clients won't accept this in HTML -/-
 
@easwee just tell them you will only be supporting IE11 and their Nigerian Princes can cover the cost
 
3:20 PM
@TylerH My point was more to do with the different versions of IE :)
 
but I'm lucky since we are mobile team - or maybe even worse since I have to deal with Android which is the IE of the mobile world
 
@Jay you can probably play around with margins
 
@easwee Lol
 
but actually I don't think you can have that kind of markup in emails
 
Never thought of it like that before but you're right xD
 
3:20 PM
ah well you said Flagship :-P which means IE11 currently, and will mean Edge in two weeks
 
Anonymous
@TylerH Good idea i guess
 
@TylerH I also said in 5 years :P
 
The Android Browser http://slides.com/html5test/the-android-browser LOL
 
@Jay oops, I meant to ping easwee with that
you must have hit enter as I was clicking on the reply arrow
@Jay table layouts
 
Anonymous
@RandomCouch I thought that but margin is still an object on screen, if you know what I mean? Or am i doing it wrong? i.e. margin left still pushes content below down? I don't think email clients accept display:__ either
 
3:22 PM
@TylerH well we could - but there are hundreds of clients like that, so you can't just cut them off - every bet counts
 
pfft, Nigerian Princes should be able to cover any losses
have you seen their bank accounts?!
 
lol
 
they would make Donald Trump humble
 
nope
we don't deal with any of their user accounts
 
@Jay Yeah I doubt you can have that sort of styling in emails, email clients restrict a lot of CSS rules, you can mostly just change font sizes, colors and background colors
and font-weights
 
3:23 PM
we just provide data
 
@easwee I'm referring to all the e-mail scams that say "I'm a Nigerian Prince and I want to give you $15,000,000"
 
unless you code your own email client
:P
 
"just give me your bank account details"
 
@TylerH oh - I get it now lol
china is actually the place where most attacks and bet scams come from in our area
 
Anonymous
@RandomCouch aa shit the bed. Alright, time to re-write some code
 
Anonymous
3:24 PM
@RandomCouch Thanks
 
No problem! all the best
 
when will people learn that email is about content not about the looks?
 
@easwee when the marketing / sales team leave?
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@mikedidthis ahhaha win comment
must be it
 
@mikedidthis so how 'free' are you in the coming months?
would you be able to work a few hours a week on something?
 
3:32 PM
@rlemon gtalk
 
I moved from a nice office to the loading bay doors (next to the e-waste) so I could get some sun :D
 
MR. BOSTANY: I would say the authoring of two books. I mean, you know --
THE COURT: So Dostoyevsky would have been subject to jurisdiction?
MR. BOSTANY: Today? I think so.
THE COURT: Well, I'm not sure whether that's a crime, but I'm thinking about the punishment.
lol
1 message moved to Trash can
 
@rlemon what's the carnival bottle to the left of the pc?
 
@rlemon why is your desk a trash can
 
@ZachSaucier e-juice
@RonaldUlyssesSwanson because I couldn't find a small enough table.
all that is in the bin is recycled packing foam
 
3:41 PM
@rlemon nice dashboard
 
ty
 
@rlemon i want to work with you. i have the feeling that i would constantly laugh every day
 
@easwee it's yelling at me the whole time
 
hey, let's get some sun! we're going to use the trash can as a desk! xD
 
I was on a picnic table outside
but the sun was overheating my laptop
from earlier
 
3:44 PM
lol
 
@TylerH That's an awesome list!
 
He likes that pic
New profile pic, @rlemon? :D
 
nothing wrong with that pic
but I prefer horses
 
I've only ever seen you smile on hangouts
 
gf and I
I'm smiling here
 
Anonymous
3:51 PM
@rlemon 'smiling' ;)
 
aka "I am producing the requisite signs of pleasure for this scenario"
 
Anonymous
jsfiddle.net/ppoadgw0 why is 'Vote for us' not aligning middle to the td ? I know this is simple and i'm being a tit.. but i'm stuck.
 
@rlemon bro you gotta hold the camera higher; better angles
 
Anonymous
lol
 
my selfie game is weak
 
3:53 PM
easiest way to improve: hold the camera above your face/head
makes you look slimmer, reduces neck/chin rolls, better lighting, etc.
 
also makes viewers feel more comfortable b/c they're looking down on the subject
 
!!youtube linger
 
3:58 PM
cc @Sippy the only other one here probably who uses it
 
@rlemon she is hot, gg!
 
you should see dat ass!
I'd be getting a high-ten
 
@TylerH I'm probably not gonna be getting it from this workplace haha
 
4:59 PM
o/
 
Starting to want an RDA now.
Or at least start making my own coils :/
Just broke one whilst taking it out to change the liquid
 
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5:32 PM
What do we want? Time travel.
When do we want it? It's irrelevant.
5
 
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@Feeds that one is in french >.>
 
@cimmanon in English for me
 
weird.
 
me three.
 
5:40 PM
@cimmanon the url clearly says /en/
 
@TylerH That was cool. Spectrum probably has some of the most interesting newsletters, btw. Theirs are some I never skip
 
@Sippy DO IT
I can tell you everything you need to know
 
@rlemon site stores the users language preference.
 
yeah i dunno either. if i look at the previous ones, theyre in english. going back now, its in english. must have fixed it before you guys looked at it :p
 
what to get, how to coil it, how to wick it
 
5:42 PM
Heh, I'm tempted yo
 
an RDA will cost you like $20
it is very little risk
@Sippy what battery do you have?
 
sitepoint.com/12-little-known-css-facts-the-sequel cool; you can select ranges of elements.
 
5:59 PM
RDA?
E-cigarette?
 
yes
 
RDA = rebuildable dripping atomizer
like my fog machine
 
would be much better if you called it a Modular Dripping Molecule Atomizer
"I made my own MDMA for $20"
 
I don't think MDMA is that expensive to cook up
in small batches
you could probably make your own for <$20
 
posted on July 16, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by Illiax */

 
I look angry because I'm squinting because I'm sitting at the back door with the sun in my face
@mikedidthis only the equiptment would be costly
the rest is pretty common shit in household items (or at least to get ahold of)
 
@Feeds LOL
the head scratch at the end
-moz-prefixed #CSS gradient support will be back soon due to considerable site #compatibility breakages. http://bit.ly/1MsUrAU
Ooooor those sites could just update their damn code?
 
idiots who don't offer the unprefixed version deserve to have their shit break
 
I mean it's sites like
Facebook and Gmail
you'd think they would be on top of it
 
6:35 PM
@Feeds well done
 
7:09 PM
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Q: This spotlight effect is not working in Safari 7.1+

BardsworthWhy does this CodePen not work in Safari? Of all the spotlight tutorials, I ran with this one because it did what I wanted. It works in Chrome/Firefox, but doesn't work at all (not even partially) in Safari 7.1+. Could somebody shed some light? http://codepen.io/cchambers/pen/Dyldj $(docume...

Anyone got any ideas? I haven't been able to find the problem
 
7:21 PM
just don't cook your shit in plastic bottles
 
7:33 PM
@JonathanMusso sound advice
 
@TylerH -webkit-
 
that probably would smell way worse than normal
@rlemon did you open the link
 
nope but safari only accepts prefixed box-shadow
smoking gun
 
boom headshot
 
@rlemon hmm, well which one is right? MDN or caniuse?
 
7:36 PM
do a basic demo
I don't have Safari installed
 
I just show down the Mac X-/
wish it were faster to boto up
 
WTF apple
why is there no 'download' link?
there is no Safari for windows?
official
??
 
odd I am pretty sure there is one
 
there is one on softonic
but not on the apple website
and I don't trust third party sites giving out official software that the authoring site should have available.
 
last version of Safari for windows is 5.1.7
3 major versions behind
Apple doesn't support it anymore so they probably just removed it
 
7:41 PM
tools.
 
but I just checked on the mac (Safari 8.0.6) and the box-shadow property wasn't stricken through
and there was no change when I changed it to -webkit-box-shadow
What's odd is the thing works on Safari 5.1.7 and Safari 6.1
but not on 7.1+
so something must have changed there
 
bug with safari
 
I'd say file a bug but it is Apple so that won't do anything
 
:P
they will sue you for misusing their product and violating the TOS
 
"hey, no baseless hating of apple"
:-P
 
7:44 PM
it isn't baseless
:P
 
I know, I was joking
 
its not slander if its true :p
 
Remember when that guy left a prototype iPhone at a bar in California and the guy who found it got raided by SWAT that night
 
even if apple wasn't about the lawsuits... they don't even keep their money in the USA (the majority of it)
they are not doing America any favours.
 
well yeah when you charge a 40% tax to bring it home I wouldn't either
 
7:45 PM
government still needs the money
they just take it from the middle class :P
in PHP, 3 mins ago, by Sajad
there is any script on stackoverflow ? I want to create a website like stack.
 
@rlemon "yes"
 
@rlemon I have an esp aspire 30w
beginner battery :P
 
*Compatible with 0.5 ohm coils
so you can sub ohm
30w will be a little low, but doable.
 
Is that just a case of buying .5 ohm wire?
lol wtf I just burnt out another coil omg.
rip
 
@Sippy no you buy 26 or 28ga and wrap your own coils.
get something like this
 
10:21 PM
@mikedidthis yo
@Kitler yo
 
Hi, I'm importing a font like this:
@import url("font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css");
W3C CSS Validator says: @import are not allowed after any valid statement other than @charset and @import. @import url("font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css");
What does this mean?
 
@Tahmid it means it has to be at the top of the file
 
Yaa!
Thank you very much
 
10:45 PM
not sure why this company thinks someone who enjoys writing haskell would be happy writing javascript for a living: careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/90522/…
 
Yo
@rlemon sup
 
Sup!
o/
 
Just finished packing everything at the gf's place
 
you guys moving?
 
10:54 PM
Wanted to stick to my one trip policy but she had too much stuff for the car
I'm not gf's parents are and her stuff was still there
 
ahh
so your place is now crammed?
where do the goats sleep?
 
Nah it's all in her car
In the bed duhh
 
they are the pillows
 
You home?
 
yussir
 
10:57 PM
Le hangout?
 
sure
 
Sec getting laptop
 
@mikedidthis ^
 
11:14 PM
I have two webpages, they are both same template/design. The different between them is the main content space. This means the CSS for the webpages varies. Some of the CSS used in webpage1 is not used in webpage2 and some of the CSS used in webpage2 is not used in webpage 1. Should I put all the CSS in one file and just link it to both webpages. This would mean unnecessary CSS will be loaded on the page. Or should I break down the CSS to a template CSS file then a dedicated page only CSS file?
I'm sorry if that sounded complicated.
*difference
 
11:43 PM
@Tahmid keep it all in one file
 
11:57 PM
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