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11:18 AM
Hmm, guess we need a room faq.
@RomanLuštrik You there at the moment?
 
What's up?
 
Ntn much. You the only guy who answers stuff here. :)
Can you gimme a list of tutorials for R? I am trying to make a website for this room
 
Uff, that's a tough one.
There's so many on a variety of topics I don't know where to begin.
 
The only one that I can add at the moment is cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/r-devel/R-intro.html
 
Searching the internet is often a very robust method of getting tutorials. Perusing through the CRAN Task views, checking out packages and reading vignettes would probably be a good start.
 
11:28 AM
Fine. Let us go through the negative route. Do you know any tutorials/books that beginners should not read?
 
The R manual would probably be a good place to start. At one point it gets pretty technical and that gets appreciated later in life when one embraces R.
Hehe, there are probably some, but not because of R related stuff, but rather because they teach poor or even bad statistical approaches.
 
By manual, you mean cran.r-project.org/manuals.html, rite?
 
Yes, that's the one.
 
@RomanLuštrik Lol, can you name a few?
 
It's been a while since I've been reading an introductory tutorial and I don't have any links handy. Would have to search for it.
 
11:31 AM
Oh, @DavidArenburg is here. Hi o/
 
If I remember correctly, someone already compiled a list of R tutorials. I think I saw it on twitter. Lemme see.
 
room topic changed to R Public: A general room for discussion of all things about and related to the R statistical programming language. [r]
 
Funny that the room didn't have the [r] tag :D
@RomanLuštrik Wow, That is a comprehensive list that I can use.
So the room rules are 1. Ask any question related to [r] 2. Don't be a troll
 
11:34 AM
In truth, I feel the best approach to teach to novice is teach them how to search for stuff. It usually takes some time to get the terminology right, but once you do, the results (ok, SO questions and answers) just pop up.
 
Yep, the help a lot
 
One probably needs to understand basic data structures in R and it's a smooth ride from there on. :)
R tag description is also very rich in links. stackoverflow.com/tags/r/info
 
Yeah. That's true for all languages.
 
When I started out (~2008), there was quite a few resources available. Today there's a flood of tutorials, vignettes, books and presentations, it's hard to read through all of them.
 
So 7 years of experience :)
 
11:52 AM
You could also add Task Views: cran.r-project.org/web/views
Though technically they're already mentioned in the R tag description.
 
Done. Added
@Roman Is that it?
I will add some CSS around that.
 
Looks OK.
 
12:12 PM
@BhargavRao You should point out that the default place for asking questions is the main site. Only questions that are very simple / don't really fit SO should be asked in chat.
 
Hi @Roland o/
@Roland I added that and another related rule.
Room rules and FAQ, till I come up with a proper website for this.
 
 
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1:30 PM
The most definitive guide for R rooms on Stack Overflow
afk
 
Ha, that's brilliant.
You need to add pink unicorn to the R chatroom.
 
1:46 PM
1K rep (2k for some) :)
 
 
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3:02 PM
@RomanLuštrik Lol, I thought the pink unicorn was JS :D
@DavidArenburg Yep, for those ... :D
Hi @Frank o/
 
hiya @Bhargav
looks like you're responsible for keeping this room running now, eh
 
Yep
You gotta visit this room daily. <--- That is an order @Frank
Hi @David o/
 
@BhargavRao hi
 
@BhargavRao heh, we'll see about that
 
@DavidArenburg When will GMTs be filled with people? I gotta get a few of them here :D
 
3:09 PM
to keep it open, i guess it needs a post every 10 days or something, is it?
 
14 days.
 
@BhargavRao You already have few of them here
 
19 hours ago, by Jon Clements
I think then after another 14 days it gets deleted and deleted rooms can't be entered or their transcript accessed
 
@BhargavRao of course, you can look at the time charts chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/75819/gmts
@BhargavRao ok, good to know
 
@Frank Hmm, Just missed the peak hour of Monday. Will have to wait for another day :(
 
3:12 PM
i can relate -- i always miss the peak hours :)
 
@BhargavRao to do what?
 
Ah finally @joran is here.
@joran The room was frozen, I managed to get @JonClements to un freeze the room for us. He added me as a RO so that the room will not get frozen again. As you are the original RO and THE guy to do the job, do feel free to edit the list of room owners.
 
surprised joran was the only room owner, thought there were others
 
/ grabs popcorn
 
@DavidArenburg To get more guys to answer, Only Roman answers here :P
Runs to fetch popcorn :D
 
3:15 PM
@BhargavRao or, make that his full-time job
 
I apologize for letting the room languish. I have been much less active on SO in general the last few months, much more lurking.
@BhargavRao I'm perfectly comfortable sharing room ownership, as my inactivity doesn't really warrant much responsibility on that front.
 
@joran Got new jobs? All the best
@joran Thanks for that. Also I need your nod for the room rules pinned there --->
 
@BhargavRao Like @Roland said, I don't think questions should be asked in chat rooms, rather on the main site. Either way, many users visit here from once in a while when something pops up
 
> Note that the main site is the default to ask questions. The chat is used to ask simple questions or those questions that are not on topic for the main site.
I guess that is clear enough :-)
 
@BhargavRao I don't think that questions @RomanLuštrik had to answer here fall under this category.
The simple once, we all answer usually. But there were times here that Roman had to spend hours to answer questions that shouldn't been asked here in the first place
 
3:20 PM
@DavidArenburg I did not get you. If any question is complete, then we can tell the user to ask the question on the main site.
 
@BhargavRao exactly. So you've got it
 
@DavidArenburg Ah, I got you now :-)
 
@RomanLuštrik can handle this on his own :)
 
Yep, We need a limit.
Something like a max of 15 mins to solve, if it exceeds then we direct the user to ask on main.
 
@BhargavRao All owners can't change the room description? Huh.
 
3:22 PM
all owners can
 
@joran They can.
I meant the pinned post :/
3 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao
Room rules and FAQ, till I come up with a proper website for this.
 
I'm sorry, I have a case of the Mondays. I don't have any objections to those rules, if that's what you meant.
 
Mondays, the problem of half the people on earth
@joran Thanks for that. I'll take care of the rest.
 
3:55 PM
@Jaap Ping me, the next time you're free.
 
 
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4:57 PM
Hi @JoshO'Brien
 
Hi. Thanks for helping save this room from the scrap heap. Cheers.
 
We gotta thank JonCle for that :)
Remember to drop in once in a while to help newbies
Made a few room rules there ------>
and an image to guide the users
 
@BhargavRao I'm here (at least for the next 10 minutes)
 
Hi @Jaap o/
 
@BhargavRao you wanted to ask something?
 
5:05 PM
@Jaap Yep, Do you need to add stuff to the room rules?
Also in a few days, I will expand the RO team. joran has given the go ahead. :-)
 
can't think of any additions atm
 
Ah fine. Then I will finalize and create some website for that.
 
a typo in rule 1: peoblem -> problem
 
Edited.
Funny that gist does not have spelling suggestions
 
5:38 PM
room topic changed to R Public: A general room for discussion of all things about and related to the R statistical programming language. See also the room rules [r]
 
@Jaap Nah, The description ain't support markdown
 
room topic changed to R Public: A general room for discussion of all things about and related to the R statistical programming language. For the room rules, see: gist.github.com/Bhargav-Rao/49ef7eb782a30bfe515f [r]
 
Better.
In 2 or 3 days, I will fix it up.
 
nice :-)
have to go now, cya
 
Ciao @Jaap
Hi @m0nhawk o/
 
5:41 PM
@BhargavRao Hi.
 
5:54 PM
room topic changed to R Public: A general room for discussion of all things about and related to the R statistical programming language. For the room rules, see: r-public.github.io [r]
@Jaap The next time you com back, gimme your github prof link.
Oh, and How dumb of me not add the image :/
 
6:21 PM
@BhargavRao in practice, GMTs is r-related, but the room description says it's more general. also, dunno that we who post there want new folks stumbling into it
 
Yep, That's why I added that it has a few rules.
Shall I remove it altogether?
Oh, @Roland is here, Hi o/
 
6:53 PM
@BhargavRao github.com/jaapwalhout (but there is not much in there atm)
 
@Jaap Sent an invite. Feel free to edit the room repo.
 
@BhargavRao thnx, but have to say I'm not very familiar with git/github yet
 
@Jaap 4 simple commands in linux, GUI in windoze :-)
 
:-)
 
7:07 PM
yeah, i guess i have a slight preference for not listing it there, just because (i) i don't want us to deal with people feeling like they're entitled to stop by and ask us their r questions and (ii) i don't want them to try to enter and then make it into a whole thing, like "that gmt clique and the elitism and biases of its room owners" (as has, um, been a complaint against the R room every so often)

also, it really just general chat, not r (even though that's all i talk about there). i guess @David will also have an opinion
 
@Frank agreed
 
@Frank Ah fine, I'll remove it. :-)
Next time capitalize thine Is. Grammar police might be lurking :P
 
@BhargavRao iunno about that. i'm saving my capitalization up for later, so i can justifiably go all-caps
 
I have mixed feeling about this. But this forum is too broad. I guess what Frank says makes sense.
 
The commit history looks funny tho
@Frank You go all caps only when you ask for teh codez, like GIMME ALL TEH CODEZ
 
7:27 PM
exactly!
 
Lol :D
 
7:37 PM
Do any of you have a good idea for a team image?
That'll be used for 1. Github organization 2. SO Teams page 3. Favicon for the webpage.
 
how do you see 1 & 2 being used?
 
1. Hosts the webpage and probable resources for beginners
2. Just for fun, will be a community team and any one can join.
Any ideas?
 
nope, nothing original comes to mind. the r foundation icon might be fair game, but i'm not sure. probably best just to make an original one if there seems to be a need. we still don't have much reason to believe this room will see heavier use now that's it's reopened, after all
 
Trust me, I will get some traffic to the room :-)
I won't leave it to die a slow and painful death
 
@BhargavRao Ouch. :(
 
7:53 PM
ok, well i look forward to seeing what comes of it
 
More actions planned.
:P
So this is the R logo
 
yeah, i guess you already saw the usage rules, but stackoverflow.com/tags/r/info
 
I've added that in the webpage.
 
@BhargavRao nice!
 
Thanks :)
How does We are because we R sound?
The teams page is asking for a tagline :/
 
8:15 PM
hm, up to you. guess it can be changed later. "for useRs!" would be fine, too
 
We are because we R, only for useRs!
 
heh, ok then
 
WOAH, that coincidence
253 <- Team number ... 25312 <- room number
Thanks @joran for this ----^
 
surprised there are only ~250 teams so far. thought the beta was bigger than that
looks like your logo got eaten by a like-colored background
 
Yep. I am making a white background for this
Hmm, made it white.
 
8:28 PM
And what is the purpose of the teams on SO?
 
"To collaborate"
 
@m0nhawk it's primarily for companies, making recruitment smoother. other projects and groups are just supported because ... why not
 
OK, than we'll collaborate there.
 
Sigh, Still a noob on SO teams, I dunno how to make a team community :-(
 
8:43 PM
@BhargavRao i edited to community
 
@Frank Nope, A "Community team" means anyone can join the team w/o an invite.
 
ah ok
 
I guess only mods can do that :/
I can trouble puppy once he's back here ;)
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Dunno, I can edit it too.
 
@m0nhawk Yep, any team member can edit it.
Thomas told me the other day that they were planning on a hierarchy, but that possibly is when teams comes out of Beta
Phew, guess it's time to get back to my work. :/
 
 
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10:09 PM
Hi @TARehman o/
Anyway, tis time for me to sleep. Let's speak to pups tomo.
 
So, it's either sleep or work time?
Or you work in dreams?
 

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