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3:55 AM
Heeya...!
 
Quick question : how do you make "cursor" on wrappanel?
 
not sure what you mean
 
the blinking one in microsoft word
to insert things
for typing
 
you don't use a wrap panel for text entry
You probably want a text box
 
3:57 AM
but it's not text which im going to enter
it's a, say, user control
is it too complicated @DreadPiratePeter ?
 
Are you saying you want to maintain an insertion point between arbitrary controls in a wrap panel and interactively insert new controls at that point?
 
@DreadPiratePeter exactly
 
\I don't think that is natively doable. You would probably have to do some serious coding for that
maybe even write your own panel class
you might want to see if Reed has any ideas on it
 
@DreadPiratePeter duh. Alright then, I'll be back again then.. Until then, I'll maybe use another approach then.
(a lot of "then" sigh)
 
 
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5:35 AM
Any one in
It appears to be quiet
 
 
3 hours later…
8:34 AM
@DreadPiratePeter You're welcome =]
Morning wuh-puh-fuh
 
9:11 AM
hi
or afternoon, morning, evening
 
Hello
 
Sean, do you know if any of the SE sites is a good place to ask a question about InstallShield - whilst it's part of the developers work, it's not really on topic here at SO (I think)
 
What kind of question?
Is it a technical question?
There is an installshield tag on SO: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/installshield
 
I should say InstallShield Express as it's being a pain... Well, the question has been posted here stackoverflow.com/questions/25927256/… but, I'm not sure if it should be (although feel free to look at the question as it's an odd thing)
What do you think, on or off topic?
 
9:53 AM
Hey guys. Back again today :). I have a combobox which has 3 values, I bind it to a value but the problem is by default. The box appears empty. I need it to be the value I set it to?
 
@MyDaftQuestions I think it's on topic
@Asheh Does the property you're binding it to have a value at the time when the control tries to get the value from it?
 
Yep
It returns the correct value
So I have 3 values, Test_Value1, 2 and 3
My comboBoxItem has both Text and Value set to the same thing
My binding is twoway
SelectedValue="{Binding Value, Mode=TwoWay}"
But the box always appears blank, until I change it
 
Try setting SelectedValuePath, too
 
Errr ok
 
No ignore taht
 
10:01 AM
So removing the binding and using SelectedIndex
An index is selected
 
SelectedValue should behave the same as SelectedItem if SelectedValuePath is not used
 
So the binding is overriding it, but not setting it to the right value
 
Are you using an ItemsSource with this one?
 
No got it working without :)
So the binding is messing things up... hmm
I have confirmed that when the property for the binding is accessed, it returns a value that exists in the combo box
 
You know when you think something but you don't know for sure because you never use it? I think SelectedValue isn't supposed to be used for the selected item.
I always use SelectedItem and never have any problems
 
10:04 AM
Interesting
But for SelectedItem we need ItemsSource I guess
 
Yeah
Which you should be able to build
 
Ill give it a whirl
 
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, I always build collections and pass them to my ItemsSource properties and that works for me
There's no reason you can't do that with code-behind
 
Yep trying it now
Give me 5 :D
@Sean, what do we do. Create an observable collection of strings?
 
If you are going to be adding/removing from the collection then ObservableCollection is good
If it's just a static source, you don't need the Observable part
If the values of the items are expected to change and you want that to reflect in the UI, your item class needs to implement INotifyPropertyChanged
So if I was presenting a user with a list of options, it's unlikely that I want that list of options to change so you could probably get away with List<string>
But it's up to you ^_^
 
10:12 AM
Sup
 
CEILING
Hey André, how's it going dude?
 
A bit tired but I'm excited because I'm going to swim today after work
Since I stopped smoking I feel the need to do some exercize to make my lungs work as they used to
 
Good job
 
Thanks :)
And you @Sean How you doing ?
 
Fixing laptops, fixing DNS issues. You know, standard programmer stuff...
 
10:25 AM
Right, installing windows and all..
 
HayLow!!
or just hello
 
Hey Markus
Actually yeah I am installing windows on a laptop for Rudi's concierge.....
I might give it back to him actually
 
Damn Rudi
 
@Sean your fault, ive gone on a refactoring mission and forgot about the original bug
lol
 
Ffs, the boring dude us talking to me
 
10:31 AM
Boring dude?
 
He talks unfunny stuff while pretending to be funny
 
@Asheh Hahahaha, good times!
 
10:47 AM
does he really pretend to be funny? isn't it just that he really think that he is funny? (although he's not)
 
Wait, he is still talking
 
11:08 AM
tell him that we're waiting...
 
11:23 AM
TAKIN OFF OUR SHIRTS, BOUT TO MAKE DES RIFLES BURS
UUUUUNNNNNGGGGGHHHHH
 
3
Q: How to change ContentDialog transition?

Decade MoonWindows Phone 8.1 introduced a new transition for dialogs and flyouts that looks like a Venetian blind. I don't like this; I preferred the way it looked in Windows Phone 8 where it sort of swiveled/tilted in. Is there any way to change this? I've tried things like: <ContentDialog.Transitions>

 
Ok, I'm back
 
Did you take off your shirt?
 
Not quite, it is a bit chilly today
But I will later for sure
 
Hurry, you need to make des rifles burs.
burs, burs, burs, swag
 
11:27 AM
Haha
 
That song is better than it has any right to be. I'm very confused by it.
 
I have no idea what song is that but seems fun
 
I posted it elsewhere this morning.
 
Show us Bill, omg show us.
 
Check hangouts. It's there already.
It's NSFW.
Because they say naughty words.
 
11:37 AM
Oh I know it was there
I saw it
I just never know when it's ok to share things between groups :P
I don't see why it wouldn't be OK cos it's not like we're the fucking illuminati but w/e
 
I wouldn't post that here, because it's WAY off topic and there's guns getting waved around and foul language.
 
OK
 
You post it if you want. I'm just going to keep saying "Burs, burs, burs, swag."
 
I will be sensible
For a change
 
swag
 
11:47 AM
morning all
 
clickhole.com/video/… This happened.
Morning DPP.
 
@Billdr, the bitcoin isn't rocketing upwards precisely...
 
You don't say?
 
any news?
or just random fluctuation?
 
Only news I've seen in the last quarter has been super positive.
The thought is all the merchants that "accept" bitcoin are selling it all right away, which is creating a tremendous amount of downward pressure.
 
12:26 PM
 
0
Q: intermittent failure with clickonce deployment (0x8007001F)

JoelI am deploying an WPF application in business environment (AD) using clickonce deployment. The application is develop with Visual Studio 2013 and based on .Net 4.5. The deployment targets Windows 7 machines only. The deployment Server uses IIS 7.5 and runs on Windows Server 2008 R2. The deployme...

 
anyone know of a decent Spinner box for WPF? I tried the extended wpf toolkit one, but it is braindead. they allow letters in their integerupdown box and call it a feature
 
No idea, never needed one ._.
 
@Sean, after 3 hours of refactoring. Some lunch and more refactoring. A few more layers of abstraction. I am now comfortable exposing my enumerables list to the Dropdown box....
hahah
 
12:56 PM
@Sean, it was worth it. All works now with the bindings :)
thanks
 
You're welcome =]
@DreadPiratePeter Apparently they replaced it with DecimalUpDown? Instead of just plain old NumericUpDown
Or have you tried that?
Or perhaps the NumericUpDown in PixelLab.BOT
 
1:19 PM
actually I found a totally awesome solution as part of the WPF Elements:
<SpinDecorator><TextBox/></SpinDecorator>
SpinDecorator turns any textbow like element into a spin box
 
Oh that's awesome
I will remember that
 
HeyHey
 
Hi
 
They also have a decorator that you can put around input controls to add watermarks
 
1:38 PM
Which one's that?
Hey greg =]
 
1:55 PM
Hey greg
 
i think im dying
 
Why are you dying?
 
because i'm dumb
haha
i just want to close my eyes
 
Oh, you're running allnighters again.
 
no
just went to bed late once again... haven't "caught" up on sleep
need caffeine and food.
 
2:01 PM
I feel like I have terrible reading comprehension after chatting with you guys for any significant period.
Weekend is just 8 hours away.
 
Terrible reading comprehension?
 
what didn't you comprehend from my sentence? ha.
 
Why would you think that?
We're all just terrible at communicating in good english
 
I thought you were talking about all nighters, because that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion to draw from what you said. But I was wrong.
I mistook Sean's jokes for earnest declaration of sexual preference.
I always spend an hour trying to figure out that I agree with most of what Mav says.
 
Here's how to deal with that: "Fucking internet...." and be done with it ^_^
BLAME THE TUBES
 
2:07 PM
Since the commonality between these elements is me, I conclude the fault is with me.
 
well you're basically right with the all nighters... i'm just saying the whole not sleeping thing is taking a toll on me.
sean can't be taken seriously
and mav is aggressive and just like to argue even though everyone agrees with everyone
;)
 
That star button really should just have a thumbs up instead
"I LIEK DIS"
I read something about people who take themselves seriously have a bad time
I didn't get it
 
I am the most serious business. If I let myself fuck up a bunch, what does that make me?
I'm also the only person I have direct control over. Having control over a person is a big deal. They're pretty potent and versatile tools.
 
If you constantly let yourself fuck up, that's bad
But there is such a thing as being too hard on yourself
Or so I am told
By people
Many people
 
What percentage of them are fuckups?
 
2:12 PM
"It's not that bad...."
'ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!'
I wouldn't consider Rudi or Mav to be fuck-ups
They have told me that, a few times
Perfectionism is great, until you let it get you down
 
I wouldn't say that in a forum where they could read it.
(kidding)
 
mav has control over stefan
 
That's true! And look how much more powerful he's become since then.
 
i think its time we take away @Maverik right's until he releases stefan for once...
 
mm and what happens if he still doesn't show up?
 
2:15 PM
Your name is in italics, not mine.
OH SHIT! It's the popo. Everyone run!
 
OH MY GOD I HAD NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE
I have an italic name, too
I feel fancy now
 
You do. Privilege of room ownership.
 
Awwwwwww yeeeeeah
 
if he doesn't show up then we will hang you, because that's only some voodoo a witch could pull off
 
HANG?!
Oh my god.
Amateur.
 
2:18 PM
I wonder if Stephan is actually incarcerated. Or sick. He wouldn't say why he disappeared for that brief stint where he was back.
 
Witches get burnt
 
i thought we're supposed to burn the witches?
or drown them? but hang them?
and don't forget to behead them after just to be safe
 
You attempt to drown them. If they survive they're witches, which must be burnt.
(I was really interested in the Witch Trials for a bit)
 
(one can tell how far mav has read transcript from the number of random stars that pop up only to be cleared hours later)
 
Mav, it's Friday. I'm supposed to remind you to give me money.
 
2:20 PM
One can tell if Mav is a witch if he weighs the same as a duck.
 
what no?!
you're supposed to remind me on the same date you did last time!
 
It's a fair court.
 
(though you might not need to if your extra life star stays in same place)
whats your last date?
 
The stream is on 10/25.
 
and that's when you need the cash at max?
 
2:21 PM
well, the stream ends on 10/26.... so then. That's a sunday.
I won't be around to remind you.
 
doesn't matter either way since that's before 1st
 
In fact, I probably won't be around on 10/27, because sleep.
 
arggghhh
 
I can remind you on the first.
In fact....
 
oh wait lol
its NEXT MONTH!
 
2:22 PM
yesterday, by Billdr
I'm doing Extra-Life again this year: If you can donate, please do. http://www.extra-life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.participant&participan‌​tID=91438
 
ok yea 1st is fine
i thought 26th of this month
 
That was only yesterday?
no, this is 9.
 
yes i'm very sleepy too.. but definitely not staying up because of work!
 
Sorry, I guess we do it backwards. I will be streaming 26/10.
 
2014-10-26
 
2:23 PM
Does that help?
 
Ambiguity: 0
 
no no - i didn't know it was 09 not 10 >.>
yes db format is good too
i'd just use Zulu format
but yea my dates / days are seriously messed up cos i don't track them
 
The twenty-sixth of November, two-thousand and fourteen.
 
2014-10-25 14:00 UTC
GMT=UTC right?
 
Usually
 
2:24 PM
2014-10-25T14:00:00.000Z <-- that's what i'm dealing with in saml so works!
GMT isn't UTC right now
GMT is UTC+1 right now
 
Right, so DST is UTC?
 
GAHHHH
 
err well no
 
pick a standard,
 
i fuked up xD
 
2:25 PM
Hahahahaha#
 
GMT is UTC + 1 of DST
is that better?
 
No
 
easy solution -> use DateTime.UtcNow to see if GMT is at UTC or has an offset :P
 
We're in UTC atm, I believe
 
we're not because my saml tokens are doing -1 hour in zulu format
we should be equal to UTC late oct -- 27th i think?
 
2:29 PM
Well shit
I didn't realise BST put us forward an hour
(DST/BST are the same thing with a different name... Daylight Saving Time / British Summer Time)
PowerShell doesn't let you get at .UtcNow, btw
[System.DateTime]::Now.UtcNow is not a thing so you have to do [System.DateTime]::Now.ToUniversalTime() instead
 
[System.DateTime]::UtcNow <-- works fine here
 
PowerShell loads faster than a new console application in VS
Oh.
Because I am an idiot
Mav, stop me
Just stop me
Before I hurt someone
DateTime.Now.UtcNow is valid in C# (although really fucking pointless)
 
no no its ok
just be sure to lick your bloody knuckles after
 
I do like the taste of blood
It's all coppery
Om nom nom
 
pointless yes, but makes sense if you ask me
Now -> return DateTime -> .UtcNow is valid on it
 
2:34 PM
It is. I can't believe PowerShell doesn't know that though
Stupid PowerShell
 
actually no
powershell makes more sense xD
Now returns an instance while .Now & .Utcnow are static properties
so yea, powershells right
 
well well have a nice weekend
 
You too, Markus =]
You're right. PowerShell makes sense.
Goddamnit Mav
Stop being so logical
 
sorry :(
 
2:54 PM
Do any of you guys have touch exp?
 
Not me. What's your problem?
 
I have more than one
 
DOn't we all
Care to share?
 
One is that touch manipulation does not raise CanExecuteChanged for me
 
Ok.. Why would it? How are you manipulating it?
 
2:58 PM
with my finger
 
hahahahaha
 
Specifics, Johan xD
Would it normally do it if you were using a mouse?
 
yes exactly
 
I'm lost. I can't help you so I'm just gonna stop trying
 
3:00 PM
it was a poor question, guess I was just hoping
 
I just don't understand. I don't grab my mouse and think "Right, CanExecuteChanged is gonna fire now" I guess we're missing what.
 
Johan you've used UI Automation yes?
 
Not that it would make a difference because if it works with the mouse it should work with touch if the action is the same
 
@Maverik not much at all
started a couple of times
 
oh ok.. i'm trying to figure how to send some mouse clicks to a tray icon
though this would be so much easier if chrome would just accept some command to quit itself
 
3:02 PM
do you have a peer for the tray icon?
 
DUDES!
 
nah i haven't even started
just thinking how to do it
 
I think it is like this 1) Get an automationpeer (huge pain) 2) cast it to something 3) invoke commands on the something
 
i send a WM_CLOSE to main window
but the tray icon is sitting there locking everything down
 
Is that because it's allowed to run in the background?
 
3:04 PM
The best way to send events through several user control (which stacked) is?
 
yea - if i disable it for the sake of this app, how do i then get it back
i'm basically writing a nightly chromium updater
 
Settings > advanced > System > Continue running background apps when Google Chrome is closed
But not sure you can access that programmatically
Maybe there is a settings file you could modify?
 
Hmm found something interesting - might disappear for a bit while i attempt chrome close
 
@MosesAprico Make events that bubble up. Maybe some kind of Routed Event? I dunno really
 
ok. im not sure what it's called thanks
 
3:09 PM
Looks like that would do the trick
 
3:26 PM
I found this article floating around? Could it be true? :O
 
"OH MY GOD, THINGS CHANGE, PANIC!!!!"
Who cares?
 
Noo I actually like WPF
 
I liked being 5 years old
 
I haven't looked into WinRT at all
 
It's conjecture
There will never not be a new framework
And if you want to stay current, you will learn it
If you don't, you won't
It really is as simple as that
 
3:31 PM
hm true
 
ok some progress -> if you type chrome:restart in omnibar, chrome restarts properly
now to somehow get it to do that from command line
 
Focus the window, simulate F6. Simulate "chrome:restart" simulate enter?
 
or may be send ipc command somehow
internally chrome.send("restartBrowser") is the command
 
3:58 PM
oh snap! look at this post and the last reply to it. programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/256674/…
 
By last do you mean most recent?
 
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