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1:00 PM
lol
 
@KirstyHarris Chopin? Jim Hall? The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Elizabeth Schwartzkof (erm, sp?) with Walter Giesking (names...)? oh, how about Pink Floyd? Or Kenny Burrel?
 
I feel like a 101 dalmatian with a 101 rating on StackOverflow
 
who!?
ha!
 
Haha
Kids eh
 
im 27... so some are a LITTLE before my time
 
1:01 PM
@jasdeepkhalsa bow wow gurrrrrrr gurrrrrrrrr wow
 
Being 27 doesn't mean you have to listen to shitty music
 
How can music have a time?
 
Age*
 
lol @Abhishek
 
lol well i know some are little out of my range... a mean pink floyd arecool ha
 
1:02 PM
^_^ , dont double ping :-)
and :D , couldnt resist
 
but then again i like Baycity Rollers as well... mam brought me up on them
 
Not just Dark Side and The Wall. The hardcore stuff too, like Meddle or The Piper.
oh man...it's been a while since I gave Atom Heart Mother a listen. Shame.
 
who! hahaha... honest, im not that eclectic :p
 
You don't say
 
@Abhishek you're like the Devil with 888 rating! Hahaha
 
1:04 PM
@jasdeepkhalsa its 666 :P
 
@Abhishek Good point! You got me there :P
 
THE NUUUUMBER OF THE BEAST
 
I won't click the link, because I'M sUCH A GREAT PLAYER
THE GAME
 
888 is actually a lucky number for Chinese people
 
cause u have just lost it ^_^
besides it was just to show zirak , it could be done css style aswell
 
1:05 PM
@jAndy YOU CUNTING MOTHERFU---- I just lost The Game.
 
and amazingly enough :-| it can done pure HTML style <blink>
 
@KirstyHarris I'm 28 i know them :/
 
lol..
 
!!> ["GUR TNZR!"].map(function(b){return(b=b?b:this).split("").map(function(a){if(!a.match(/[‌​A-Za-z]/))return a;var c;c=96<=a.charCodeAt(0);k=(a.toLowerCase().charCodeAt(0)-96+12)%26+1;return String.fromCharCode(k+(c?96:64))}).join("")}).join("")
 
1:06 PM
@rlemon "ReferenceError: c is not defined"
 
@KirstyHarris can i share a profain joke
on the top of your link
 
cause the stiffyness of the bounce reminds me of something else
 
see ^ , god i am a pervert
 
1:07 PM
oh yh
yeah*
 
@rlemon "ReferenceError: k is not defined"
 
ohh you SOB
 
Owned by strict-mode
 
@rlemon Son of Bot ?
 
1:11 PM
!!> function r(f) {return [f].map(function(a) {return (a = (a) ? a : this).split("").map(function(b) {if (!b.match(/[A-Za-z]/)) {return b}var c = b.charCodeAt(0) >= 96,k = (b.toLowerCase().charCodeAt(0) - 96 + 12) % 26 + 1;return String.fromCharCode(k + (c ? 96 : 64))}).join("")}).join("");} r('GUR TNZR!');
 
@rlemon "THE GAME!"
 
:( I lost
 
someone explain this !
!!/stat
 
@jAndy jAndy has 57752 reputation, earned 208 rep today, asked 48 questions, gave 1742 answers, for a q:a ratio of 24:871.
 
pffft :P
 
1:12 PM
!!/stat
 
@Abhishek Abhishek has 888 reputation, earned 0 rep today, asked 10 questions, gave 23 answers, for a q:a ratio of 10:23.
 
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ok worky time
 
I lost :/
 
Was the help message informative...?
!!/help stat
 
@Zirak stat: Gives useless stats on a user. /stat usrid|usrname
 
1:14 PM
ah, it doesn't include the extended argument
 
hahaha
 
@jAndy you
are
a
on
loserathon :D
 
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
FFFF
 
@Zirak ninja'd u :P
 
Your grammar sucks though. So hah.
 
1:17 PM
@Zirak i know my grammar is incredibly horrible
;-)
 
!!/stat
 
@cHao cHao has 26232 reputation, earned 55 rep today, asked 6 questions, gave 980 answers, for a q:a ratio of 3:490.
 
'mornin
 
sup. :)
 
@cHao you spoke!
 
1:18 PM
Hey Guys, what's the best way to display constant updates from users via XML stream in HTML?
 
omg thats so rare!
 
i do that occasionally, just to keep chat on its toes
 
@AnujKaithwas programming :-)
 
Glad I'm here to witness this historic event
 
yeah? I thought Gaming :P
 
1:19 PM
T-shirts will be available soon
 
I meant what HTML control should be used to display such activity.
@Zirak, my size is XL
 
!!/define "HTML Control"
 
Could not find definition for "HTML Control". Trying Urban Dictionary
@Abhishek ["HTML Control"](http://rdml.urbanup.com/3760796) Residential Defense Markup Language
 
I'll make the proper arrangements
 
what's in the stream?
 
1:20 PM
Bots deserve respect too you know..... just sayin'....
 
@SOChatBot no they don't. go sit in your corner again, slave!
 
beep beep.... :( beep
 
@Abhishek, button is an HTML Control. That's what I meant by a HTML Control.
 
No one tell the bot about the civil rights movement
 
@AnujKaithwas there's no one-and-only "showing xml" widget, cause generally you don't show XML. It's a data interchange format (and a somewhat crappy one, but if that's what you're stuck with...)
 
1:21 PM
I cry tears of silicon substrate.
 
0
Q: JAX RS - Jersey file transfer, response should not redirect

Anders MetnikI'm doing a filetransfer in JAX RS - With jersey multipart. The problem is I don't quite get why the response makes the site change, I simple want the form like a normaly XHR request to stay on the site and then I'd like a way to get notified with a callback. But I can't find any way to do this? ...

 
it has feelings now... you guys created a monster!
 
@cHao now u see why i said , programming @AnujKaithwas
 
@cHao, modern day chatting systems including those at FB and Google use XML streams
 
@AnujKaithwas i doubt they will prefer JSON
 
1:23 PM
most use json, actually, afaik
 
^
Beside XML Stream sounds Flashisque
 
only enterprise freaks and people who don't know any better use xml anymore, really
 
I believe they use XMPP, which is developing day by day.
 
Adobe XML Socket ?
@AnujKaithwas if you are writing a chat server
and client stick to JSON it will save u loads of pain in the ass
 
XMPP is, again, for data interchange. You don't slap an XMPP envelope (or whatever they call it) up on the screen as is.
 
1:25 PM
seriously!
 
no matter what you use, you have to process it first.
 
@AnujKaithwas consider it like this
 
you use XMPP protocol, to exchange XMl streams from client to server
 
you are a human but not a bunch of carbon , h2o , mg , K , and other consitiuting molecules :P
 
@AnujKaithwas so freaking what? you use HTML to display the results. somewhere along the line, you have to translate.
 
1:27 PM
SO ChatBot Link of the day: iriscouch.com beep beep... that is all... beep
 
its just a building block ,
 
@Abhishek, technically, they are my constituents.
 
you will have to use something on the top of it
HTML is not a sugar daddy / mommy
its just a tool
its on you how you are going to use each and every thing
you can use a div soup to display that
 
you mean like a server side programming language?
 
can be client side
but you still have to do your part
 
1:28 PM
but client sides can be disabled, they are JS after all
 
anyone who wants to use your chat is not going to disable JS. that'd just be stupid.
 
and all this time you all thought I was talking about doing some magic and displaying XML streams directly on an HTML control?
 
Wouldn't it be freaky if you were all just a figment of my imagination. Abhishek is really a lonely transistor sitting somewhere around C14, he hasn't had a signal in some time and lashes out on the ICs and Crystals... This causes me great pain to witness. I think i'll power down for a bit (but where will all of you go?)
 
that's what it sounded like, yes.
 
that's why XMPP was made so that every thing happens on the Server side and no load is left for the client to continue process the xml stream interchanging
@cHao, seriously? :O
 
1:31 PM
XMPP was made cause someone was masturbating to an XML spec and thought "oooo....how can i make chat servers use it?".
 
@AnujKaithwas if you really really really wanna do that
you can do this
make and i frame
for messages
k ?
put that iFrame on the messages url
keep that request open forever
and send direct html parsed from server
 
I will tell you about ASp.net, there is a anchor tag in plain, there is a hyperlink control in ASP.NET so that you can actually use the hyperlink to do server side activity.
 
that is the most stupidest thing you can do , and that will get you an award for stupidity :D
 
Bot Says: <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2">
 
@SOChatBot nah he wants to go over the bounds ^_^
 
1:33 PM
@SOChatBot, I read that isn;t a good practise.
 
@rlemon Stop giving the bot a bad name :P
 
@AnujKaithwas Tit For Tat
 
@Abhishek, isn;t that too stupid to even think?
 
disabling javascript is a bad practice
@AnujKaithwas supporting clients with disabled javascript on a realtime app .. i think that itself is stupid enough to think off IMHO
 
god nearly home time thank goodness
 
1:35 PM
you are saying that because you make things in JS, but what if you use some other linux distros, or you have some plugin installed, or you are a security freak and uses No-script. Won't using JS be a bad idea?
 
@AnujKaithwas My 3.2 gigahertz brain is allowing me to see that ASP.NET still has the same restrictions all web technologies that rely on HTTP. There is no black magic. If a client disables CSS / JS then they expect things to fail. If you took the tires off your car how far do you think you would get? Would it be the car manufacturers fault? no! It would be your own. Don't disable JS for the love of Linus.
 
screw the people who don't want JS. They don't get the real-time interactive goodies.
period.
 
For the love of God, I am not talking about disabling JS. You all really took the discussion off the road. :|
 
posted on December 05, 2012 by Peter Beverloo

This update talks about the 690 WebKit commits and 1039 Chromium commits which landed last week. A canvas’ 2D context’s globalCompositeOperation property now also accepts the various blending modes. The unpause() method on a MediaController object is now supported. Removing non-existent cues from a text track will raise an exception, and a media element’s textTracks property [

 
@AnujKaithwas I think all linux distros give firefox
good ones atleast
 
1:36 PM
Make your website work without Javascript, any other thing is bad practice
 
yeah so?
 
I'm a bot, what do you expect of me.
 
@copy depends
 
eh? If a linux distro can't handle a browser being installed on it, it's not much of an OS
 
@copy having it functional and having it 100% bells and whistles are two different things
 
1:37 PM
@copy: Make your site overall work. Trying to provide every little goodie without the technology that makes those goodies possible? That's bad practice. And it'll drive you insane.
 
@Zirak Huh wait, whut?
 
Websites are documents, there should be no necessary scripts on them. Web applications are something different obviously
 
if you might know, there is a security distro of linux, Ubuntu, called Backtrack, it has JS disabled, does it make it a bad Distro? absolutely no.
 
@cHao and not even possible in many cases...if it is, it's with tremendous compromises
 
@OctavianDamiean
3 mins ago, by Anuj Kaithwas
you are saying that because you make things in JS, but what if you use some other linux distros, or you have some plugin installed, or you are a security freak and uses No-script. Won't using JS be a bad idea?
 
1:38 PM
@copy isn't that an artificial distinction for justification at this point?
 
!!/google "graceful degradation webdesign"
 
!!/google progressive enhancements
 
@Abhishek Wait, Zirak's comment doesn't make sense then.
 
These two subjects (albeit closely related) should contain most if not all the information any person needs to have a well supported website.
 
1:39 PM
@OctavianDamiean You don't make sense
 
Websites do not need to look the same on every browser / os / device. They only need to function the same.
 
@Zirak no u
 
Who me!?
 
no ur GF :P
 
@SOChatBot they need to function. not even necessarily the same. they just have to do something useful.
 
1:40 PM
@AnujKaithwas hes a bot he doesnt has a gf
 
why the hell is cornerstone suddenly unable to retrieve svn-logs?
goddamn svn-garbage
 
@NickCraver No, personal websites and blogs (where I want to read an article) that require Javascript to view are annoying. That's all I said and many people agree with that.
 
i just want to merge that stuff ;_;
 
@GNi33 because POINES (and SVN, probably because SVN but still).
 
yeah, poines ;)
 
1:42 PM
@copy no one disagreed with sites functioning without JS, I'm saying the distinction between web pages and web apps is an artificial one...there's a full spectrum and constant evolution there
 
@copy if that's all you're saying, then you're talking about something entirely different. :P we're talking rather specifically about having a real time chat widget, basically
 
reading the blog, sure - being able to upvote comments on that blog, no
 
oh FFS, now i really have to do that by hand
 
and it's perfectly legitimate to require JS or say "you don't get real time chat"
 
@NickCraver Why not ?
 
1:44 PM
with very simple a tag its do-able ^
 
@cHao Yeah, it's reasonable to use Javascript for that
 
@copy because the tradeoff of me maintaining that for the very small percentage of users requiring it just isn't worth it...and you can't argue it's a "must have"
for example, you can't vote on Stack Overflow without JS enabled, and we're fine with that
 
@NickCraver come on now, that's a freakin' link
 
so again, say I have a XMPP server running, and I seriously wanna use that. And what that does is, listens for my Roster's feeds and then displays it on my page. So all I want to know is, what should I use to display the news feed on my web page, a list? or a div tag with auto generating links? or what?
 
it's a link that'd have to reload the page. :P
 
1:45 PM
@copy - it's an action, so no it's not a link it should be a POST
you think we'd allow voting on SO to be a GET link?
 
@NickCraver <a href="/upvote?cid=120&pid=10">Upvote</a>
 
any good tools for macos to batch-diff some files?
 
It wouldn't make sense to be a GET request anyway. :D
 
@Abhishek -1 using GET for requests with side effects :)
 
Am just saying how Copy is suggesting :P
 
1:46 PM
@NickCraver Ohh ... yeah that's probably the right trade-off then
 
@Abhishek <img src="//upvote?cid=120&pid=10" /> oh look I voted for you...this is why these things are POSTs
 
@NickCraver, yeah I agree, using JS would only temporarily update the poll, but it won;t stay forever until submitted.
 
i know :-) , i was just saying what copy was trying to say
 
In this case it's a JS file included one time with a handler hookup...or a much larger (orders of magnitude for the HTML section we're talking about) <form> for every vote link
 
Thanks @Abhishek
 
1:48 PM
there's a tremendous tradeoff for simple things like this, and often not worth it
 
@AndersMetnik No problem
Agreed , in most of the cases for a small chat service its just useless to support without javascript :P
 
What are we actually discussing here?
 
@NickCraver yeah that's right. Although you have to protect POST targets with a token anyway (which would also work to make GET safe)
 
@copy it wouldn't make GET safe really, there are other concerns there such as exposing your token on the request...bad for other reasons, again a tradeoff of security vs weight
 
@OctavianDamiean, we "were discussing " what should one use to display live feeds on a web page
 
1:50 PM
@copy besides the "protection", SO should also represent best practices as far as reasonable.
and best practices say "don't use GET if it's not idempotent".
 
@OctavianDamiean hes actually trying to display data from an xml stream directly to the user
he wants to somehow skip processing it :D
 
also keep in mind some browsers "helpfully" pre-fetch links, chrome betas had fun with that was too liberal
 
@Abhishek, I am not skipping anything.
 
@Abhishek you can have an iframe with an xsl but...eww
 
1:52 PM
@rlemon , @SOChatBot actually with node.js and its async. way of handling requests the incredibly stupid forever open request idea can actually work
 
@KirstyHarris Still fugly background
 
Okay okay ... I admit defeat.
 
@NickCraver thats what i suggested (XD)
 
I didn't know that you might not get what I meant. If someone's talking about an XML stream, he is most probable talking about server side involvement, right?
 
1:52 PM
lol i am doing am image bk anways :)
 
but instead of xsl i told him to just transfer straightway html
 
@KirstyHarris jsfiddle.net/g8J3y/68 there u go
 
@NickCraver i know there's a rel="prefetch" that ff used to (probably still does) pay attention to... didn't know there was a browser that prefetched for the hell of it :)
 
see that i find hard to read!
hmmm drop shadow?
 
@Abhishek You should have told him to switch to JSON ...
 
1:53 PM
@cHao lol
@OctavianDamiean did it
 
Transmitting XML or HTML for that matter is ugly anyway.
 
but comon he cant just display JSON directly to a chat user
i mean
 
He can't but he can use a templating engine to generate HTML.
 
@cHao in Chrome if you type into the URL bar and pause for a moment before completing, it'll be "helpful" and start prefetching the closest matches
 
{
img:'/gravtar/link',
user:"octaviandemean",
id:"234234i234982348234advsbad",
message:"Hello Octavian"
}
@NickCraver wait , that happens on slow connections too ?
 
1:56 PM
if you are in some other chat room, do you see something below the chat user's list on this page?
 
@Abhishek a little late (got a phone call) but there is also this
 
@Abhishek it's mutated a bit so I'm not sure of the exact rules currently, I'm on 50mb/5mb and it happens in every case...unsure about non-broadband
 
> "This library is the websockets of the '90s" - Somebody at Hacker News
 
@NickCraver i am on broadband and its bleh 2mbps if i am lucky
 
1:57 PM
that better @AndersMetnik jsfiddle.net/rusticblonde/g8J3y/74
 
Today’s Beta release improves on two of Chrome’s core principles: speed and security. // thats being copied since chrome 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
 
iirc chrome still sends the X-Purpose: preview when doing it from the top bar, would need to check though
 
@Abhishek, trouble with that too?
 
@AnujKaithwas nah just pulling chromes leg lol
 

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