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10:01 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum your slides say to go to zenparsing.github.io/esdown/repl and play with async iterators
But going there, it seems like async generators are supported, but for-await-of is not
 
@tereško jesus that's a long blog post on SO hate
 
10:15 PM
@tereško It's got several very good points though.
Hostility among the users of the site is a problem
And new users do often face a very harsh welcoming
 
I thought you were gonna talk about the power hungry, anime loving moderators that dictate over us :D
 
can anybody help me in this question
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Q: implement resposive no collapse responsive menu

SandroI want to implement this menu The problem is the shape and the hover and how to make it responsive you know, I want to keep this menu style in mobile and won't to collapse in mobile all text will disappear and only icon will stay. The thing that I tried on is here: <section class="slide menu...

 
@SterlingArcher Hey, I think I'm a pretty good power hungry, anime loving dictator.
 
You are <3
@Sandro I don't really see what jQuery has to do with that question (I read the last time you posted a few hours ago). Have you tried the HTML room for help, since this doesn't seem like a JS issue
 
@MadaraUchiha oh, right, so it's nothing to do with said "new users" posting "write homework for me" shit
 
10:18 PM
@tereško Some of them do, some of them don't.
 
yeah .. all the senior SO users are just monsters
 
Never said that.
Just that people are met with hostility right from the get go, without any sort of grace period to understand the set of requirements and rules that Stack Overflow has.
And let's face it, Stack Overflow has a pretty complicated set of rules and requirements for people to understand as a prerequisite to asking a question here.
 
Hostility is a broad word. Some people take "This can't be answered because we don't understand the context" as hostile
 
@MadaraUchiha Most of those aren't specific to SO
 
10:19 PM
@SterlingArcher 2 downvote within a minute for the very first question of a user is hostile.
Whether you see it like that or not, that's definitely how the users see it.
 
That's all dependent on the actual question.
 
@KendallFrey Hideous.
@SterlingArcher Sure it does, but no one thinks their question is shit
 
My first SO question was terrible
 
It's not hostile if it's a bad question, it's just how the site works.
 
Most of them come from forums and the such where you have a thread of discussion
 
10:20 PM
@SterlingArcher i thought that that shape can be implement in jquery
 
So people ask you for more details as you go along.
 
you know it's sort of complicated
 
If SO had been then what it is now I probably wouldn't be here.
 
^
And this here is the problem.
@KendallFrey isn't some homework noob
He's a functioning, real programmer, with real contributions.
 
I started contributing to SO, asked shit questions, was banned, realized I needed to learn more and contribute better to belong.
 
10:22 PM
@MadaraUchiha I present to you, a counterpoint:
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Q: Where to start learning assembly - IDE, examples

Kendall FreyI have a solid knowledge of C#, I can use C quite well, and I am learning C++. I really would like to learn x86 assembly language for Windows, perhaps MASM, but I don't know where to start. The first thing is the IDE. If at all possible I would like a syntax-highlighting, compiling, linking IDE, ...

 
downvoted (j/k) :)
 
In SO, you're expected to provide just enough context (but not too much), just enough code (but not too much), have near perfect English or better, and be instantly responsive to comments
 
vamping like a pro
 
This is easy for a user that's been here for a while and knows how to ask a question
But it's really not trivial for a brand new user, even with programming experience.
 
On the plus side, SO has taught me a lot about asking questions
 
10:23 PM
^++
 
@KendallFrey Definitely.
 
@MadaraUchiha anybody can learn. It's hard not to come across as "hostile" when the same style of question is asked 100s of times a day
A simple emotionless response (not rude) can be deemed hostile, even if it's a perfectly valid response.
 
@SterlingArcher Right, and that's both a social/cultural problem, as well as a technical one.
 
SO needs a Siri first level that guides people to already asked questions
 
For example, my question template proposal might help with that
 
10:24 PM
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Q: Revisiting question templates

Madara UchihaThis question suggested to have templates for tags. Their example was with the regex tag on Stack Overflow. I'm suggesting a more general approach: Templates, Mark II I suggest that each site will have a template. That template will prefill the textbox when a new question is asked. However, i...

 
@SterlingArcher emotionlessness is underrated
 
@SterlingArcher Again
 
It's been under review for amost 2 years now :/
 
-3 on the very first question a user posts within a minute of them posting it, without a single comment telling him how to improve it, is hostile.
No words were spoken at all.
Still felt the hostility.
Whether those -3 are justified or not, it's still hostile
There's a very thin line between a slap to the wrist and an encouragement to learn, and a slap to the face and GTFO
And right now, we're totally in the slap to the face stage.
And that's a problem.
 
10:28 PM
or a slap on the ass and a harassment charge.
 
at least don't know what to search
(;;)
 
I disagree, justified downvotes are not hostile. You can take it as such, but SO is for "professionals" (I use that term loosely) and all users are expected to read the FAQs. These users complaining often don't read, ask bad questions, and respond negatively when asked to follow the rules
 
can i make such thing in jquery i.stack.imgur.com/fMZKU.png
 
@SterlingArcher UI is like a joke
If you have to explain it, it's bad.
"Read the FAQs" isn't more a valid excuse than "Read the docs"
 
It is when the user asks how to wait for the document to finish loading in jQuery
 
10:31 PM
@SterlingArcher No, it's not.
 
The issue here is what % of these outcrying users actually care about being involved on SO, versus the exact same quality person simply trying to get a quick answer and leave
 
the problem is that white shape
 
A valid answer is "here's how CODE, you can read more about it [here]"
And then subsequent questions get closed as a duplicate of that one
 
Well, I didn't know you were posting a verbatim comment
 
Eventually, that one gets to be first in Google.
@SterlingArcher But they don't need to want to be involved in SO
And that's OK too
You don't have to read the source code for a library to use it
It would be awesome if you did
 
10:32 PM
Of course, but if they post off topic material, it's at their own risk
lol right?
 
And even more awesome if you participated in developing it
But you don't have to
 
If I go into a chatroom and start cursing and get banned, is it hostile to ban me because I didn't read the rules?
 
@SterlingArcher Why are recommendation suggestions "off topic"?
When I read "off topic" I think about "Well, there's a topic, and this isn't it"
The topic is programming, I want a database library, that's programming, isn't it?
Why are no code/no context questions "off topic"?
They're poor, that's for sure, but off topic?
That's a bit of a stretch.
See, we have everything documented
 
Not really, most of those non-context questions are too broad to answer
 
And we have good reasons for everythnig
But when it comes to conveying those things into actionable items for the users, we suck.
I don't care that my question is currently off-topic
How can I make it not off-topic?
And before you tell me, yes, I know it's all there somewhere
 
10:35 PM
Some people (I try to, if it looks salvageable) attempt to coax the on-topic out of the question
 
@SterlingArcher Many do, others don't bother.
 
But yes, you're right, an effort should be made. I'm guilty of being burnt out trying to coax these bad questions that I simply resort to closing and voting because I'm too tired to try again
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "boo hoo everything is shit", if it were that I wouldn't be here, let along a moderator
 
Errthing is shit tho
 
But I do believe we have improvements to be made.
 
10:37 PM
Off topic, it says I have delete vote powers? I've never seen a delete vote link before
 
And I'm here because I believe that those improvements can be done, and they aren't beyond us.
 
I agree, but you have to admit some fault lies in areas we can't improve. We can't stop that guy from posting shit questions and not trying to improve
 
@SterlingArcher For 10k users, the delete link appears on answers with -1 or less, and for closed questions given that they were closed for more than 3 days
 
Ahhhh ok, time limit. That's why I haven't seen it
 
20k removes that limitation.
What I don't like about the article is that it devolved to name-calling towards the end
The good points you've made at the beginning now look like a very childish rant more than anything.
 
10:39 PM
I didn't like how it picked specifically on Andrew Barber, focusing on a small part of his entire SO contributions
 
@SterlingArcher Yeah
 
@SterlingArcher wait what?
 
> For example, check out this member’s activity, which instead of contributing helpful technical answers, consists solely of acting like a judge on other people’s answers:
http://stackexchange.com/users/85265/andrew-barber?tab=activity
 
Well, he hasn't been here for a year and a half ever since he was arrested.
 
Wait what
 
10:47 PM
Oh it's an old article
 
He was arrested???
 
Yeah, it's not really a secret. Not something I'd like to discuss too much either - dig up the conversations about if if you're curious about it.
 
… well… that brings up memories .........
 
Woah, he's fucked up.
 
The sad part is people not being psychically able to resist themselves… They intensely regret it, but continue as they're unable to resist it.
 
11:01 PM
Is it appropriate to close a question as a duplicate if the dupe in question has no answers? @MadaraUchiha
 
yes, if the questions are similar enough
 
It seems pointless though, since it yields no answer
 
@SterlingArcher sometimes, if the new question is much clearer than the old one, it's worth closing the old one as a dupe of the new one
@SterlingArcher so, why shall the new one yield an answer then? That's what bounties are for, ultimately.
 
I mean, the user has 1 rep he can't place a bounty
I guess I can
oh wait, found abetter dupe
Now I feel better
lol
 
11:16 PM
@littlepootis holy shit
 
@SterlingArcher dat answer lol
 
whoops wrong link!!
did you fucking upvote that lol
 
@SterlingArcher I fucking did not lol
 
11:36 PM
@SterlingArcher @KendallFrey I slow cooked a few pounds of pork
it's nearing 6 hours
I CANT WAIT
 
CODE makes me want to play KSP lol
 
told you
 
what's CODE?
 
Children of a Dead Earth
 
Hi all. Is it good to make message archeology on SO? For example I answered stackoverflow.com/questions/5338716/get-multiple-elements-by-id/…
 
11:47 PM
@AlexanderGoncharov Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@CapricaSix ok, thanks
 
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