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4:00 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum so... are you saying that you're not running around with a bag of jew gold around your neck all day?
South Park lied to me.... again :(
 
I'd love some Jew gold :(
 
@GNi33 They sent their jew gold to the moon in the 60s
It's all hidden on the dark side of the moon
 
but... that's where the Nazis are
 
They were, but now the Nazis are in the center of the earth
and the dinosaurs used to be in the center of the earth, but they're now on an island in the pacific
 
okay, makes sense
 
4:01 PM
so this time, the jews took care of the nazis?
 
I want to make a jsfiddle-like site for GraphViz
 
instead of the other way?
 
There are a couple but they aren't very nice.
 
@Luggage unfortunately, I've only tried to generate huge pictures (call stacks of page loads) so my experience is "it's slow"
 
and there used to be zombies on that pacific island, but they're now in somewhere else
 
4:02 PM
@Luggage that said, you might like gnuplot
 
all because Ernie put the crayons in the fishbowl
 
@FlorianMargaine I use it for quick diagrams of state machine and such and it's fast neough for that
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum right? I would love to have a fake bag of jewgold around my neck to hide the real bag of jewgold around my neck
 
also, an org chart once with ~200 entries which wasn't a problem
 
@Luggage you want Visio
 
4:02 PM
No I don't
 
@ssube oh, those are sitting in the governments of our big nations now, being controlled by the jews. the circle is complete
 
@Luggage yeah, I'm talking about things with thousands of entries
 
I like that dot dfiles are text and thus friendly with source control
 
@GNi33 Are you sure? I feel like zombies might not be kosher.
 
#JewGold
 
4:03 PM
took like 10 minutes to generate
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum are zombies kosher?
 
they aren't eating them
 
@ssube No, I don't think so
 
Humans don't have split hooves so I'd say zombies are pretty kosher!
 
@SterlingArcher such swag
 
4:03 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum serious question now, what makes something kosher?
 
Anyway, I have to get work done :( sorry, be back later.
 
I'm open to alternatives to graphviz, but I like that it's an old crossplatform tool that 'just works'.
 
@SterlingArcher but they've been dead for a while and usually weren't slaughtered in a kosher manner
 
!!afk coding jQuery
 
@GNi33 it's complicated
 
4:04 PM
^ my condolences
 
Some things just aren't, like pigs and delicious seafood.
 
@GNi33 the Torah has a ton of rules about it, tons of things. @Neal might be able to help I have to go. Be back this evening
!!afk coding jake weary
<3 seafood
 
Things that can be kosher have to be killed and stored in the proper way.
 
and cooked in kosher stuff
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hmmm? I was pinged from the netherworld. Whats up?
 
4:04 PM
You can't use milk and meat together or chicken and eggs
 
I like ham
There, I said it
IM SORRY MOSES
 
@Neal We're explaining to @GNi33 why zombies aren't kosher :D
 
@ssube huh? I can eat chicken and eggs. That is kosher
 
@ssube what?!?
 
@Neal thought you couldn't eat em together?
 
4:05 PM
a woman having her red time can't cook, iirc.
 
no speck eierspeis? that is madness!
 
@ssube Not that I am aware
Just no meat and milk
 
cow milk only?
or almond milk too?
 
wow, everybody around me is having children now
 
@FlorianMargaine no. any kosher animal milk
 
4:06 PM
human milk is ok
 
human milk is not considered dairy @Luggage
 
@Neal ok, so vegetable milk is fine
 
Where has @Loktar been? He's been quiet and I have songs for him
 
And Milk of the Poppy
 
@Neal which is just fuckin weird
 
4:06 PM
@FlorianMargaine Not dairy
@ssube Why is that weird?
 
@Luggage Yeah, you can't mix milk of the poppy while riding the dragon or eating the tiger.
 
@SterlingArcher he was here about 2 or 3 hours ago
 
@Neal that there's a rule about it
and people considered drinking human milk in the first place
 
"Do not operate heavy dragons while under the influence of this product"
 
@ssube Babies drink it...
 
4:07 PM
@Luggage aka opium xD
 
@Neal yeah, but babies are gross
 
@Neal ... dairy?
 
@FlorianMargaine Yes. dairy.
 
wut dat?
 
@FlorianMargaine Milk cheese etc. is dairy
 
@Neal what does that mean?
 
Typically: milk, butter, cheese, yogurt
 
"Dear dairy.... you were delicious tonight"
 
Anything that's made from milk
 
@ssube yep. basically
 
4:10 PM
@GNi33 This is the 2000s, emo kids use livejournals now.
 
"Dear Diary, sorry to bother you.."
 
"Dear tumblr..... people are stupid on you"
 
Dear Dairy, get in me
 
s/tumblr/internet/
 
As a white person, I have an entire drawer of fancy cheeses at home.
3
 
4:11 PM
Kraft singles?
 
We've got goat, hard aged parmesan, gouda, various spicy cheeses
@NickDugger oh hell no
 
@FlorianMargaine I've never seen that many stars on a message, ever. You should screenshot it and embarrass him about it when he's older.
 
I'm not sure what being white has to do with that, but I'm intrigued.
 
I'm going to start an exotic cheese business. We'll offer Dolphin cheese.
 
> Fresh from the blowhole
 
4:15 PM
That's not how that works.
 
@SterlingArcher Not sure who started it, but it's a running joke at my house
 
That's how we'll be selling it though
 
White people love their fancy cheeses
 
Can confirm. Am white, loves cheese
3
 
If anyone here is interested in starcraft, Snute's playing Dayshi right now
At homestorycup
 
4:16 PM
Link?
 
Zelda!
 
You go to a liquor store in a white neighborhood, it's got a cheese store attached. You go to a liquor store in a black neighborhood, it typically does not.
 
Zebra cheese. We'll make sure it's nicely marbled.
 
Thus, white people have a fancy cheese problem.
 
4:17 PM
@argentum47 there are big beginnings as well
 
I once at so much cheese that I puked it all up and it took me years before I ate cheese again
 
This isn't snute vs dayshi >:(
Damn it wiki
 
@MadaraUchiha I am #BADA55 and I like badass things.
 
brb restarting computer
 
4:20 PM
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Someone: nodejs in memory database that's backed up by file and is embeddable
 
sqlite?
 
is it not?
 
@Luggage I prefer something in JS if possible, it doesn't have to be fast it just needs to not have dependencies
 
4:25 PM
Then I don't know.
 
Something I can npm install (preferably without a C++ step) and run
 
but sqlite is very cross-platform and embeddable in node. just npm isntall it
yea, it builds..
 
Isn't mongo embeddable?
 
or.. maybe that's just the node binding that builds.. anyway..
/me slaps nick
 
/graciously accepts slap
 
4:26 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum there is a js implementation of redis I think
 
I'll just use firebase I think
 
couch
 
> jsperf.com is now back online :)

"jsPerf is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later."
rip
 
hnng
hnng x2
 
4:32 PM
That is one fancy barber shop
 
I really like that second one
 
@Cereal damn neat
 
@ssube yay, rpm stores files in cpio
 
haven't actually tried it yet, but planning on using it this weekend
 
Yay = woohoo a format that lost the war vs tar and has breaking changes between versions
 
4:33 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum taffydb or nedb
 
@ssube hmm, will check out
Think I'll just use Firebase
 
I'm hoping to write a pair of abstractions and have my app be mongo/nedb backed and use threads/workers, so it can run on the server and scale pretty well, or be purely in-browser
 
imgur.com/gallery/VgJst some of these are cool
 
I wrote a little tutorial about debugging in webstorm:
https://medium.com/@kasperpeulen/debugging-dart-in-webstorm-part-2-673048da2a3f

it uses dart as language for examples, but it works exactly the same for javascript files, so I thought people here may find it useful
 
How do you like dart?
 
4:43 PM
I really like it.
The only thing I miss, is a solid web framework. But it seems that is coming now. (with polymer 1 and angular 2).
 
I took a dart to the knee once
 
dammit I am pretty much out of funds :/
I wish I had lots of trees
 
You think you're out of funds
I killed my desktop the other day
Can't afford a new one.
Picked up a laptop on a no interest installment plan
 
can't you get the old one repaired?
 
@Kasper angular 2 isn't on dart, though
 
4:48 PM
@AwalGarg I took out the cpu and mobo
Cpus and mobos are expensive
 
:(
 
I like tinkering too much
Second desktop I broke
 
hallo
 
@ssube Why do you think that ? I'm pretty sure it is.
 
@Kasper they switched to typescript
 
4:49 PM
@Kasper It isn't
 
that's the whole reason TS now has annotations
 
Poor dart :(
 
dart has been almost entirely abandoned
 
They switched to typescript mainly so that they could autogenerate the dart files from typescript.
Because it is harder to autogenerate dart from es5 without types and annotations
 
source?
 
4:51 PM
I mean they automatically generate dart files from typescript.
 
dart's dead, baby
 
It was never alive. They just thought it was.
 
so no one actually writes dart?
 
Well, I'm not going into this discussion I think. I like dart. I don't think someone is going to prevent me writing dart.
 
Just because it's dead, doesn't mean you can't use it!
inb4 you're all sick fucks
 
!!youtube tsol code blue
 
dart doesn't look dead if you see how many daily commits and contributor it has
 
@Cereal
 
@Cereal
 
Goddammit Archer
 
Joke libs don't count
Also that's fucking hilarious
 
dart is on github for like 3 weeks ..
 
@GarrettKadillak that's actually really sad
 
4:56 PM
hey guys
 
@GarrettKadillak Dat minification doe.
 
why am I doing this discussion :P why all this hate for dart ?
 
correct me if i am wrong , just discovered something new with jquery
 
@Kasper yet another language providing unnecessary fragmentation and dying thanks to no supporting libraries
 
<looks skeptically at @AlexanderSolonik >
 
4:57 PM
so $('div') can be used to select a element on a page and also $('<ol></ol>') create new elements ??
 
Yip
 
in a year or so, nobody will be maintaining it, but there'll still be some code that somebody clever decided to write in dart that we need to use, but the compiler won't work on new systems, and it will be a mess
 
@AlexanderSolonik and $('<ol>') as well I think.
 
it's happened before, it will happen again
 
and $('<ol>') I imagine
 
4:58 PM
fragmentation ? how much languages do you have in the browser ? coffeescript, typescript,dart, es5, es6 ?
on the server you have like 40 languages
 
did you guys know this all this while ?
 
No we just imagined it now and it happened.
 
why should everyone write the same language ?
 
@Kasper My server has 1 ._.
 
or was i alexander the great , to be the 1st to discover this ?
 
4:58 PM
@Kasper CS, TS, and ES are all interoperable
 
Dart can run arbitrary JS can it not?
 
@AwalGarg taught so LOL
 
well, I write my polymer components in javascript, and the main app in dart, so I guess it can
 
!!> 123456789123456789
 
@afonsomatos 123456789123456780
 
4:59 PM
@AlexanderSolonik api.jquery.com this exists
 
> taught
 
@Kasper how's that multilingual codebase treating you?
 
it is fine, I guess the point of web components is that they are kind of isolated from the rest of the app
 
just wait until you get dependencies between both langs
Dart -> JS -> Dart
can't compile either first, everything explodes
 
well, if polymer 1 comes out for dart, I switch I think
 
5:01 PM
But libraries don't/won't support Dart
 
they are working on something so that you can just use any definitely typed typescript library
but I use codemirror, mathjax, google maps api, all in my app, just using a dart wrapper library
it is fine
I'm not trying to sell dart or anything, I'm just hoping I can use dart myself without getting shot :P
 
Someone will shoot you no matter what you use
 
so true
 
but dart is not dead, the dart plugin of webstorm is 100.000 times downloaded
Maybe not spectacular popular, but I won't say dead.
 
Downloaded maybe -- consistently used though?
 
5:06 PM
To compare, the angular plugin is 500.000 times downloaded.
 
I've been trying to fix a bug I can't repro for like 2 hours
 
@SterlingArcher I don't think you will get 3000 open issues if nobody would use the language:
https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues
 
That's a lot of issues lol
 
20k closed too
24k issues in 3 weeks
good, good
 
well they moved from google code to github
 
5:10 PM
@AwalGarg like
 
so it is not that those issues are all created in 3 weeks :P
 
isn't dart a microsoft project?
 
I think you confuse dart for typescript
 
oohhh
*quietly backs away
 
typescript is the useful version of dart
 
5:16 PM
Meanwhile I'm just here writing vanilla because something always ruins my day with alternatives
 
Typescript is quite nice. I don't have a microsoft pc though, and the webstorm plugin is not yet that solid.
 
What exactly do said plugins do?
 
@cereal I've come to that realization as well
 
If I made a dart plugin I'd call it "Lawn"
 
Reminds me of Love2Ds animation library
 
5:17 PM
@Kasper you don't need a plugin, it's been built into IDEA and Webstorm since v12 (I think)
 
VSCode, Atom, and ST3 all have support as well
 
wtf, OSX. I can't use xcode while you are d/ling an updatE?
 
@ssube well, maybe I meant to say the typescript support is not that solid then is what I tried to say
 
Define solid
 
5:18 PM
* support
 
um
it works pretty well
better than their JS support
 
but worse than their dart support
if you are used to very good tooling, it is hard to go back
 
What kinda tooling?
 
no web language has very good tooling
even Java has shit tooling, ffs
the only language with really good tooling is C/++ :(
well, and .Net languages
 
5:22 PM
well I'm happy with how well dart does, maybe if I was used to C++ with visual studio I would complain about Dart's tooling :p
 
@afonsomatos New Relic is a waste of money
 
I know, it was a google advertisement.
Look at it "Debugging Java Script"
 
yup, it tries to do that
 
@Cereal things like very relevant code completion, refactoring, quick fixes, automatically show the right docs of a variable
 
can you debug javascript that is not linked to a webpage in chrome or ff?
I have some js in my clipboard and don't feel like to setup a page
 
5:24 PM
for example, try to mess around in this dart file:
https://dartpad.dartlang.org/0dfeb25a33be007e1d0f
you will automatically get errors/warnings, quick fix suggestions
if you click a variable you get the documentation
this is of course not a full ide
in es5, it is very hard to do good tooling, it is mostly guessing
 
@ssube really? We've found it useful
 
typescript definitions can help JS, though
 
/me is writing TS right now
 
yeah I like typescript as well
 
/me goes to look into typescript
 
5:28 PM
@SomeKittens Their JDBC debugging was the only part we ever used, but it wasn't able to decipher Hibernate queries correctly, so that was of limited use. The system monitoring was wrong, the JVM stuff wasn't very helpful (JMX exposed a lot more), the constant UI/web interface changes kept losing data we wanted, and we gave up before trying the client-side library.
 
I am trying to insert some javascript code manually in the developer tools, but I don't have an option to debug it. Only if I create a webpage and link the file to it..
 
Plus, their pricing model required an agent license for every node in every environment, so we were looking at 200+ licenses.
I wanna say that made it to the millions/year mark, but I'm not sure.
 
how about the snippets in chrome, would that work for ya!!
ow
 
We replaced it in about a week with JMX and a client-side lib that binds self.onError and have been fine.
 
5:30 PM
@ssube ah, that makes sense. We've found it useful on the frontend
 
@Kasper It's a shame Dart isn't widely usable, cause it has a nice syntax and does all the things I'm struggling to make Node do right now.
 
Ooooh, typescript is the actionscript looking language
 
I knew, years ago, that threading would be the bane of my existence, I just didn't think it would be the lack of threads.
 
the only thing I have with typescript is that I don't feel microsoft is pushing it enough, if you look at their github repo you see that only like 6 devs have been working on it the last 2 months.

I feel google is really pushing dart, they have like 40 devs working on it full time, they use it for many internal projects (like google adsense I believe)

So that is why I bet on dart. I feel like the dart development is going much faster.
 
I don't think teamsize is indicative of anything
 
5:35 PM
TS development should be slowing down now that ES6 is out
 
The last product our parent company pushed out was 5million dollar product with hundreds of people working on it
 
TS is meant to meet up with ES6, then hopefully merge with Closure and Flow
 
(it didn't do well)
 
(re: Google's Angular2 being in TS)
 
Hey folks
Is it possible to base64 encode a URI component on page load?
 
5:36 PM
well, TS development should all be about getting a very good analyser I believe
 
like /photography?params_etc_etc should be /photography?data=base_64_string
 
Uh, server side logic?
 
@AliGajani The URI is set before the page loads, so not really? base64 in a URI is totally legal, though
@Kasper yeah, and they're mostly done with that. Just need the remaining ES6 features.
 
Aha, so it's not possible at all?
 
Changing the query string causes the page to reload
 
5:38 PM
"mostly done with that" really? I would hope for better tooling
 
tooling has nothing to do with the compiler
 
@ssube You can change the data params without reload, can't you?
Oh wait that's hashes
 
@Cereal You cannot change the query string without reloading.
right, that's why we use hashes
 
I was talking about that the TS team should focus on creating a very good analyser. That has to do with tooling right
 
No?
 
5:41 PM
well, in dart we call the script that does all the refactoring, showing the errors, providing the completion, etc
we call that the dart analyser
 
You lost me
 
it is command line script. You give as input your file, and ask to analyse it. And as output you get a list of where the errors are.
 
is that the compiler?
most languages don't have separate analysis and compilation
the parser typically does both
which is why syntax errors, which get caught by the lexer, produce obscure messages
 
well, in dart you often just run it directly in dartium most of the time, without compiling it
so there is a seperate compiler and a seperate analyser
analysing is done in ms, compiling takes some time
and if you are writing server side code, there is no compiling needed at all, as there is a dart vm for that
 
Huh
Yep. There's a dartanalyzer.bat file
 
5:50 PM
ugh, VMs
I hate mobile phones and VMs and everything made since 1999.
 
you don't like the V8 VM of node js ?
 
not really, no
JS as a compiled language would be great. That's why we're making WebAssembly.
 
I don't know, what benefits would that give JS ?
faster ?
 
much faster, much more predictable
JS is relatively fast, but it would be more portable, require a thinner runtime
 
portable ?
 
5:55 PM
between platforms
 
I like javascript, but hate java and scripts
 
right now, JS has to be parsed and semi-compiled every time you run it
that's slow and unpredictable, since each platform provides their own compiler
 
ah in that way
 
How do you guys check the time it takes for a script / function to execute, in order to achieve better performance? I'm currently using process.hrtime in node (as it offers very good precision).
 
11
A: How do I configure Git to automatically pull from current branch when using "git pull"?

ZzaichikKThis command should configure git to pull to the current branch ..when run in terminal/iTerm. git config --global pull.default current Just change "pull" to "push" to get the same effect with "git push".

^ That answer has 11 points, yet the top comment (with 13 upvotes) is "hey, this doesn't work at all". Why are people upvoting the "it doesn't work" comment, but not downvoting the answer?
 
5:58 PM
logic
 
Can't lose that 1 rep
 
(And it's +13/-2 with my downvote, so, no it's not just a case that the upvoters are outweighing the downvoters)
 

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