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user457812
9:00 PM
Alternatively, I should actually fork someone's to-JS compiler and make a few personal modifications and then never update the fork.
 
@nil I take it you're resigning soon?
 
m59
@Loktar So, if foo requires bar, which requires baz, I can lazily require foo and webpack will take care of the rest?
 
user457812
No, but I see no reason to not fuck with the server-side team.
 
@m59 yep
 
m59
which would basically be nodey until I need to lazy load
 
user457812
9:03 PM
On the upside, if they can't change it, they can't break it, either, and they have a tendency to break things.
 
m59
that sounds epic.
 
oops
 
why don't wives answer the phone on payday
?
/beginrant
i got a trick...ill buy a tool at lowes for half my pay...she will call me then
hahaha
 
user457812
RIP skulls
 
@nil hahaha...most likely
 
9:08 PM
in other news: this dog is fun. youtube.com/watch?v=JiqCwF6E7bM&feature=youtu.be
 
@rlemon lul
 
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Q: How do I draw a pair of buttocks?

Simpleton JackI'm trying to develop a function which 3D plot would have a buttocks like shape. Several days of searching the web and a dozen my of own attempts to solve the issue have brought nothing but two pitiful formulas below. They have some resemblance to the shape I want, though not quie. Could you h...

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> This might get me suspended from the site butt I cannot resist.
 
Probably there are only half-assed solutions available yet. — Yves Klett 11 hours ago
 
mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/66564 this is the better solution
not sure why it isn't top
 
9:13 PM
> The shape you are looking for can probably be approximated (depending how anal you want to be about the outcome) by two assymetric probability distributions.
 
user457812
Woo, pad thai for lunch.
 
> Now the bummer is that you have to smoothen them out somehow so I will use an exponential to do that.
so many puns
 
amazing.
 
@Retsam that's the joke :P
 
@FlorianMargaine Yeah; I realized that after I sent the message, once I saw your "so many puns" comment.
 
9:19 PM
:P
 
!!afk Amsterdam (for real)
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@Loktar @FlorianMargaine @Zirak @SecondRikudo @SomeKittens Hangouts tonight?
 
@rlemon Sure
 
not for me, sorry
 
9:22 PM
I'm not home for another hour and a bit, but when I do!
ohhh boy, when I do...
@FlorianMargaine but whose face will I draw objects on?!
 
yeah... it's almost 11pm here :)
 
fair enough
 
@rlemon @SecondRikudo's! You haven't yet afaik
 
Not sure I'll be available in an hour either :|
 
user457812
@rlemon If you need a volunteer...
 
9:23 PM
bah, I'll reannounce when I'm at home then
 
user457812
I'm more than happy to be the person with penis on their face, drawn in permanent ink.
 
Not sure if I should star that... or...
 
user457812
I was going to leave out the ink part but realized that was making it too easy.
 
permanent ink is not that permanent on skin anyway...
 
@FlorianMargaine ahaha I never saw that
@FlorianMargaine it is on the skin you put it on
however that skin will not be on your body forever
#pedant
 
user457812
9:25 PM
Which is why you put it deeper
 
So I wanted to figure out what crystal energy is.
so much bullshit lmao
Negative Ionized Hydrogen? You can't tell me you dumped plain electrons into water.
 
user457812
Crystal energy is bullshit. Stick to timecube. Timecube is the only right thing.
 
Also, I had no idea there were steamy jungles in Pakistan
 
@nil That's what she said
 
user457812
I'm surprised it took that long.
 
9:33 PM
My connection is bad and I'm tired.
 
@rlemon Sorry, going to sleepland
 
@rlemon doubtful, have fun!
 
looks like I'm drawing on my own face :(
 
9:40 PM
I thought you put dicks on your face for a living
 
scifi.stackexchange.com/a/59614/24289 o_O I posted this for real?!?
 
@Zirak on, in, upon, around, same difference
 
@SterlingArcher You forgot through
 
Sounds dangerously sexy.
 
or sexily dangerous?
 
9:47 PM
Now you're just being silly.
 
s/ill/ex/
 
m59
@phenomnomnominal sigh. Am I correct that Twitter's expectation for a developer to lazy load their library and expose a global is outdated / bad practice? Shouldn't that be a module we could require?
 
@m59 nope you're entirely correct.
But it's often not the case.
 
m59
@phenomnomnominal how should one solve it? I was hoping it could be browserified somehow
Download the file and make it a module myself?
 
I haven't used browserify, but webpack allows you to shim stuff just like requirejs.
Or yeah, do that.
 
m59
9:50 PM
hmm, I tried and it seemed like that wasn't possible.
 
But that makes upgrading hard
 
m59
In requirejs (never used it..) you declare that in the config right? twttr: '//path.js'
I can't find the webpack equivalent
 
user457812
requirejs is nice except that nobody expects their code to be lazy-loaded and so all the dumb crap people write breaks
 
m59
lol how would lazy loading break it?
Doesn't that mean it's just crap anyway? (not properly using DI)
 
user457812
9:55 PM
Yes, that does mean it's crap
 
How do I describe myself in one word?
 
m59
@phenomnomnominal heck yeah, thanks.
 
user457812
The issue is other people's lousy code, not requirejs
 
m59
@nil lol, well... it's hard to find code that isn't crap.
 
user457812
I know, I keep producing it on a daily basis ಠ_ಠ
 
m59
9:55 PM
I usually think I'm an absolutely awful developer, then I see what other people write :/
Don't get me wrong, I do too, but I don't put it on npm/bower lol
 
user457812
I use LiveScript, though, so I'm not doing myself any favors
 
@AwalGarg Don't
 
user457812
Well, I don't blame npm, bower, or requirejs for other people's code being crap
 
user457812
I like requirejs
 
@Zirak 5 words?
 
m59
9:56 PM
Oh, me neither. I wasn't saying that, of course.
 
@AwalGarg Why would you do that?
 
@Zirak I love you
 
@Zirak that is... a weird description. just in case, that was a real question, I have to write it in an about me box.
 
> This about me box was intentionally left almost blank.
 
user457812
Now AngularJS, on the other hand.. I liked it and now I have some bones to pick with it because scopes are hard and controllers not being allowed to mess with their views is just wrong.
 
9:59 PM
@AwalGarg You are the fucking worst.
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!!afk @SterlingArcher would like to know what your favorite ice cream flavour is.
 
@phenomnomnominal lol
 
m59
@nil Angular is crap lol ;D
It's just better crap than a lot of other crap.
 
owwait!! I already have it!!!
damnit!
stupid me
!!afk
 
!!afk
 
10:02 PM
hello all
 
@holl Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@holl AH!
 
Hello :D
 
@Patxiku Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
I've read them
 
10:09 PM
I would have to imagine that's a bot
though I just got here myself
 
Oh, I thought it was a master of copypasta
 
haha if they are, they have the fastest reaction time ever
hey @SomeKittens, are you there?
Hmm, nope, looks like I just missed him.
 
What's exactly a stackoverflow chat for? Having fun?
 
Don't look at me. I just earned rights to be here today.
 
Only serious discussions
 
10:15 PM
So newbies as we can be part of serious discussions?
 
Of course
 
user457812
@m59 Web dev in general is pretty crap in my book, but that's not really the fault of anyone other than the world.
 
I don't want to earn the title of vampire in my first day
 
user457812
Damn the internet and its rapid adoption.
 
Try not to bite people for blood and you should be fine
 
m59
10:16 PM
@phenomnomnominal I was hoping something in those docs referenced an external url (like cdn). That didn't seem to help. So, I still haven't seen a way to avoid downloading the file myself
 
@m59 nope, you'll have to include the file
 
m59
Oh, so there isn't an equivalent to what requirejs does :/
 
that way it can actually be included in the bundle
 
Sorry, couldn't resist, back to trying to sleep on my way
!!afk Amsterdam (I'm not even implying)
 
Starbait
 
10:18 PM
does anybody know if 'for in' (not for each) bucles are a kind of shorted 'for' bucles?
 
bucles?
 
^ my thoughs exactly.
 
Sorry, I typed in my own language... I ment loops
 
don't use for ... in
But no, they're not a shortened for loop
 
user457812
Bucles?
 
10:21 PM
640
Q: Why is using "for...in" with array iteration such a bad idea?

lYriCAlsSHI've been told not to use "for...in" with arrays in JavaScript. Why not?

 
user457812
Oh, neat, I learned a word.
 
@nil loops
 
user457812
What language, by the way?
 
Spanish
 
user457812
Never heard of using for-in for array iteration.
 
10:23 PM
I haven't written a for loop in ages
 
not for array iteration, Today I saw it and I was kinda confused
 
@Patxiku it can be used for iterating over objects, but it's a bit of a bad idea
 
user457812
I only use for loops because they are the primordial loop. The one loop. The true loop.
 
user457812
It's alright for iterating over keys as long as you know what you're doing, I think.
 
hasOwnProperty
 
10:25 PM
Hi! Just a simple english question: how do you say (when doing coin tossing) : Among all the possible results, the results for which we obtained tails on the second "try" ?
 
If you want to go over an object's keys, Object.keys(obj) and use array methods from there
 
Is "try" the right word ? when we toss coins many times ?
 
Object.keys is much better
 
user457812
Granted I got thrown into doing web/node crap at work without it being anywhere near what I'm good at, so I don't know anything.
 
or trial ?
 
10:25 PM
@Basj Experiment? Game? Flip? Attempt?
 
I like attempt there
 
user457812
Oddly enough, I keep just using underscore.keys despite the existence of Object.keys
 
"Toos" or "Flip" are the most descriptive in this case
 
user457812
I say toss.
 
10:27 PM
@Zirak thanks! What's the most used word for that
 
user457812
That is, it's what I say when filling in the blank.
 
@Basj Pick whatever, it doesn't matter
 
@KendallFrey have you seen this and the channel which is debunked there
 
pastebin.com/i6t9PW6r -> this was the code that blowed my mind
 
@Zirak Ok. Is this correct then : Let F_i be the set of all the results for which we obtained tails for the flip # i ? (for the attempt number i ? for the experiment number i ?)
 
10:29 PM
@Patxiku That won't work if x1 and x2 are numbers (and most likely won't work if they aren't)
@Basj "Set of all results for which we obtained tails" will always be a set of "tails"
 
I've wasted nearly a hour trying to comprend this :D
 
@Zirak No : if 5 coin tossing experiments, the result (H, T, T, H, H) is in the set F_3 (ie we obtained tails for attempt #3)
 
ah, I see what you mean
 
In this context, can I say "Let F_i be the set of all the results for which we obtained tails for the flip # i ?" ?
(I need to translate a part of french probability course into english...)
 
@rlemon >=(
 
10:38 PM
 
@holl ping
What'd you need me for?
 
Hey I have a question for you all
 
@Andriko13 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Has anyone written any code for any Wiki's? e.g., Bulbapedia
 
10:50 PM
Does a wiki on #shrekt count?
If so, nope
 
Sure, any wiki in general
Do you know what happens to whitespaces?
Can you freely use them? One of my friends claims that you can't use whitespaces in any wiki's but I was trying to prove him wrong. I just want to know what the real case is
 
@SomeKittens this is going to sound really weird if I'm wrong, but... I'm pretty sure you taught me JavaScript
 
Oh snap
This is like a reunion
> Master, you taught me inline scripting... whyy...
that hurt me in ways y'all may not understand
was gonna leave that oneboxed till I saw the "next video" picture...
 
11:08 PM
@holl cool! How so?
 
@SomeKittens couple weeks at RocketU- I'm almost positive you were the first instructor I had.
 
m59
I'm >-< this close to deleting my SO account.
 
why?
 
m59
Because I'm inclined to log into it and it's generally more harm to my life than good lately.
 
@holl awesome! That must have been back in Jan/Feb?
 
11:13 PM
I haven't been visiting the main page for months now
I use SO only for chat and keep an eye on and
 
@holl cute. sah cahute.
 
m59
Honestly, I don't know if a single person here actually realizes there are things I am quite competent about.
Everyone's so busy worrying about how wrong everyone is all the time, so I guess there's no time for that.
 
@m59 Dunning-Kruger it happens
 
m59
Not sure that really applies?
 
@SomeKittens WRONG
 
m59
11:20 PM
In my case, I imagine that it's more alike the halo effect.
 
@m59 I've never thought any less of you, or that you werent competent, lol lately I assume the fact you're using gulp+browserify means you are very competent
Also I just ordered a buttkicker 2 pretty excited to get it
 
m59
I started out an utter js noob, which leads to the assumption that I'm equally incompetent in other regards, which is compounded by the fact that I'm generally humble (maybe too humble) about what I know
 
@m59 I'm just generally a cunt.
 
@phenomnomnominal is always getting screwed.
 
m59
lol
 
11:22 PM
.. not my primary chat room
all the people who I think are dumb already have tiny avatars
 
m59
Overall, I'm pretty darned offended about this "appeal to authority" business. Screw everything else. That makes me mad.
 
And that's perfectly fine.
 
nn
 
You're an adult, you're allowed to be offended and mad.
Doesn't make anyone's opinion, or the discussion around it, less valid.
 
@SomeKittens yep exactly. I was with that group that went to the hackathon with you, too.
 
m59
11:27 PM
Guess so. It's just an area in which I'm quite strong and it's bothersome to be treated otherwise. It would be like if everyone here were convinced Benji is a terrible programmer. That would have to be quite frustrating for him.
 
Did I miss the part where people said you didn't know?
 
Benji's answers are just as scrutinized.
 
@holl heh, that was a lot of fun. What are you up to now?
 
m59
Well, we seem to be at quite the disagreement over what one is ;D
 
If anything, it suggest that people think highly of you, since they are holding you to a level above the standard user.
 
m59
11:29 PM
Appeal to authority is only a fallacy when it is concerned with the factual nature of a thing. if (authority.said(x)) { x === true }
^ fallacy
if (authority.said(x)) { you.shouldConsider(x); }
my claim ^
 
Fallacies are useless outside of structured debate.
 
@SomeKittens Full time job with JavaScript! Doesn't feel right to call myself a dev yet, but maybe code monkey
 
Where? And congrats!
 
m59
@SomeKittens Why's that? Because you're assuming the non-literal nature of our general dialect?
 
If you haven't guessed, this is Kevin, haha.
 
11:32 PM
@holl I figured it was you or Geoff
 
I told him to work on his Rep so he could get in here
But yeah, little health company called Healthination
how are things going for you?
 
@m59 because fallacies assume the context of logical arguments. They're like Old Bay spice - only useful in the right contexts.
 
@holl Generator Lab shut down, now work at Runnable
 
m59
Right, the fallacy still applies to one's thinking, but that doesn't mean the language used really reflected that thinking. I think that's what you're meaning.
 
11:34 PM
ahh, that's too bad
@rlemon whoa where did you get that pic of me
 
@m59 yeah, close enough.
 
m59
And in which case it's nice to assume the best meaning or ask for more detail.
 
@holl I'm sorry if I made you Changry
 
lol
 
this is where I sit here wondering if you really did get the reference or not. it would be awkward if you didn't. how interesting.
 
11:39 PM
... well I assume it's a community reference? If it's anything beyond that, you lost me.
 
just found one complete on ebay
for Elite Dangerous
force feedback for your chair lol
 
@Loktar oh, I remember seeing that on Xoxide back in the day
 
yeah man they are sold out everywhere..
and no one has any idea if more will be made
they all seem a bit old, which is crazy because they are awesome (well I hope)
I just cant wait to feel the boost in ED with the rift on lol
 
You bought it?
 

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